FabSwingers.com forum: Do you support id photo at polling stations?

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I read an article about it https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1708872/election-laws-photo-identification-requirement-uk-poll-spt/amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently voters will be required to show recognised forms of identification to vote in upcoming elections, but campaigners argue an estimated 3.5 million electorate do not have photographic id.

They say the reason was to prevent fraud, what is your view of it. I think that it is it a slippery slope with your privacy and also whqt about those millions of people that doesnt have it, will they beable to vote? I think that they should have it as it is

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By *oah VailMan
over a year ago

Dover

I’ve always been a bit surprised that you don’t have to give any form of identification at polling stations, with just the name and address you volunteer being checked against the electoral register.

That said, I don’t think electoral fraud is the problem that it’s being presented as, I think voter id is about making it more difficult for a particular demographic to vote.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

I wouldn’t have a problem with it we had 100% take up of a free-to-obtain national ID card or similar. But we don’t, so ID at polling stations would be exclusionary. Which makes it a bad idea.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

No I don't

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

We have had to provide photo ID at polling stations in NI for many years. Without it we don't get to vote. I don't have any issue with it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I read an article about it https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1708872/election-laws-photo-identification-requirement-uk-poll-spt/amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently voters will be required to show recognised forms of identification to vote in upcoming elections, but campaigners argue an estimated 3.5 million electorate do not have photographic id.

Among the colossal grab of needless personal information. Making sure we are entitled to vote is one of the more important things to get right.

I don't particularly have a problem with it. If 5% of those entitled to vote don't have a passport or driving license I'm sure they can have a work around. They know if people have had a passport or driving license issued. So not exactly rocket science.

Will it make our lives better? Far from convinced by that.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

"I wouldn’t have a problem with it we had 100% take up of a free-to-obtain national ID card or similar. But we don’t, so ID at polling stations would be exclusionary. Which makes it a bad idea."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote. "

This. Its a normal procedure once you get used to it. Same as actually owning one form of ID at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't support it.

This would exclude quite a few people from voting if you needed photo identification.

Lots of people assume everyone has a passport or driving licence but I think many would be surprised at the numbers that don't.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut."

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote. "

But this doesn't really happen.

You would have to know the name and the address of the person plus no for a fact I hadn't already been to vote. You would also need to know exactly which poll station you had to go to because you can't just turn up to any.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens. "

That's quite some statement!

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

The only argument I ever hear is that it's apparently just a means to collect data on people. Which is hilarious given you have to be on an electoral roll to vote, have to be on government databases for everything from driving licences, passports and all manner of permits to council tax, benefits, state pensions and tax. What more data do you think they could get from a card showing your face, dob, address etc ?

An ID card would offer no more info than any government already has access to. Its actually quite worrying that at present you have to provide ID to go on a weekend bender to Ibiza or Shagaluf, yet don't have to show any in order to vote for who will be running the country......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

Slow clap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

Because there are huge numbers of people in this country that do not have photo identification. These people are normally people who are quite disinfranchised anyway and from groups that don't normally vote so this just adds another barrier. That is the main objection from most people I know that thinks this is a bad idea including many politicians.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens. "

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

There will be a fallback process for them though. The same as there is for opening a bank account in the UK.

Preferred method of ID has always been a passport or driving licence but as people don't always have one of those alternatives are available.

That doesn't make providing ID at polling adaptions a bad idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

There will be a fallback process for them though. The same as there is for opening a bank account in the UK.

Preferred method of ID has always been a passport or driving licence but as people don't always have one of those alternatives are available.

That doesn't make providing ID at polling adaptions a bad idea.

You assume that will be the case but it might not be, Anything that puts a barrier in the way of people voting is a problem for me as we have very low voter turnout in this country as it is.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

There will be a fallback process for them though. The same as there is for opening a bank account in the UK.

Preferred method of ID has always been a passport or driving licence but as people don't always have one of those alternatives are available.

That doesn't make providing ID at polling adaptions a bad idea.

You assume that will be the case but it might not be, Anything that puts a barrier in the way of people voting is a problem for me as we have very low voter turnout in this country as it is. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what I've seen the main area of voter fraud comes from postal votes so surely that's what needs looking at.

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By *anddXXXCouple
over a year ago

London

"No I don't support it.

This would exclude quite a few people from voting if you needed photo identification.

Lots of people assume everyone has a passport or driving licence but I think many would be surprised at the numbers that don't. "

You need ID just to collect a parcel from the Post Office. They must be fooked if they shop at Amazon on their phone and not in when they try to deliver.

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By *ortyairCouple
over a year ago

Wallasey

Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't support it.

This would exclude quite a few people from voting if you needed photo identification.

Lots of people assume everyone has a passport or driving licence but I think many would be surprised at the numbers that don't.

You need ID just to collect a parcel from the Post Office. They must be fooked if they shop at Amazon on their phone and not in when they try to deliver."

No not really as you can arrange redelivery. I didn't have any photo ID until 3 years ago and never encountered any problems getting anything I needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories..."

Exactly.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories..."

How is it an advantage to tories?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How is it an advantage to tories? "

Because those most likely not to have the appropriate identification are most likely not to be Tory voters.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How is it an advantage to tories? "

I think it's assumed that Tory voters will have id and poor people who are most likely to not have id won't vote Tory. It's probably been researched by a think tank or something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How is it an advantage to tories?

I think it's assumed that Tory voters will have id and poor people who are most likely to not have id won't vote Tory. It's probably been researched by a think tank or something "

There has been quite a lot of research into this, There is a lot of opposition to ID being required which is why it hasn't come into effect as of yet. It has been trialled at a couple of polling stations but I don't know what the outcome of that has been.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread."

What's the issue with trying to reduce voter fraud? Don't understand why we want to have unidentified people participating in our hard and long fought democratic process? Is it because then we'd realise the size of that part of the population?

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories..."

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

Showing ID at a polling station will do very little to prevent the little voter fraud that we have. The vast majority of proven voter fraud cases have been through the postal vote system.

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By *ubikslongswordMan
over a year ago

East Grinstead

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

Some people (until recently myself included) don't have valid photo ID as a non driver and not been out of the UK since 2006 I had very little need for photographic ID, it's an expense that's unneeded in low-income households, conveniently the people out current government don't want voting. If everyone is given a free photographic voting ID I have no issue with it, but I don't see why they don't incorporate having to give National Insurance number as that's unique to each individual so seems the logical option?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

I've no issue with trying to reduce voter fraud. My point was that it is tiny already - maybe an irreducible minimum? According to the EC, there were 4 convictions for it in 2019 (from around 600 cases investigated) - a general election year when millions of votes would have been cast, so it's really not a big problem in the UK.

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By *ortyairCouple
over a year ago

Wallasey

ID cards or passports will not necessarily prevent voter fraud. 35 states in America require such identification and look at the issues they have had with voter fraud.

We are not against providing some form of I'd at voting booths but make it universal.

Give everyone a chance to vote. Maybe providing a unique reference might be a fairer way. Make voters provide their. M I numbers. Everyone can obtain their National Insurance number and these can be given to those working at the election booths. It seems to us like a fairly simple way of doing things

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

Showing ID at a polling station will do very little to prevent the little voter fraud that we have. The vast majority of proven voter fraud cases have been through the postal vote system. "

Fair point. I have no idea where voter fraud takes place. But have no issues with trying to reduce it. I have huge issues with collecting and sharing our personal information but think this is one case where there's a good reason for share some of it.

I also think we need to encourage greater participation in our democratic process. Which (and I have no evidence other than my brain) I suspect is a bigger problem than voter fraud.

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By *ortyairCouple
over a year ago

Wallasey

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

Showing ID at a polling station will do very little to prevent the little voter fraud that we have. The vast majority of proven voter fraud cases have been through the postal vote system.

I also think we need to encourage greater participation in our democratic process. Which (and I have no evidence other than my brain) I suspect is a bigger problem than voter fraud. "

Yes absolutely.

We have a very low voter turnout in most of our elections. Even lower in areas with high deprivation and these will also be the areas where people would be excluded from voting if identification was needed.

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

"I read an article about it https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1708872/election-laws-photo-identification-requirement-uk-poll-spt/amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently voters will be required to show recognised forms of identification to vote in upcoming elections, but campaigners argue an estimated 3.5 million electorate do not have photographic id.

No because people with less money may not have a car or passport which are really the only legitimate ay to ID yourself. So this will bar a lot of people from being able to vote.

The Tories are aware of this, and feel as these people will not vote for them if they exclude them from voting it dies them theor right to vote them out. Like the border changes this is all about keeping themselves in power by any means.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories..."

How so??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How so?? "

Because those who are less likely to have the required identification are those that are also less likely to be a Tory voter.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Photo ID for any service here in Dubai , it’s a no brainier, stops majority of criminal activities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worked for the electoral commission about 16 years ago and this was being discussed even then. The reason this has not been put in place is because there isn't really a need and because it has been recognised it will exclude a significant number of people from voting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need compulsory ID card like rest of Europe. Absolutely nuts that you can roll up to vote with anyones card with no checks. However the biggest fraud by far is postal voting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Photo ID for any service here in Dubai , it’s a no brainier, stops majority of criminal activities"

The most significant number of crimes in this country are theft and burglaries so how does having ID stop these from happening?

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"No. Especially when you see which groups are least likely to have the required form of ID.

Voter fraud in this country is tiny so, if that is the justification, it's very much taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

The Electoral Commission publish stats every year. But even if they didn't, I think it's a leap to assume voter fraud is widespread.

Showing ID at a polling station will do very little to prevent the little voter fraud that we have. The vast majority of proven voter fraud cases have been through the postal vote system. "
Yes, you are right on that too

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I read an article about it https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1708872/election-laws-photo-identification-requirement-uk-poll-spt/amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently voters will be required to show recognised forms of identification to vote in upcoming elections, but campaigners argue an estimated 3.5 million electorate do not have photographic id.

No because people with less money may not have a car or passport which are really the only legitimate ay to ID yourself. So this will bar a lot of people from being able to vote.

I think there’s much bigger issues than who gets to be PM. Uk borders and organised crime is completely out of control because we are such an easy country for criminals to come and operate in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hold on. You don't need to show ID in the UK to vote?

Here in Ireland we do. We don't need to show the polling card however.

What's to stop someone else voting on your behalf if you don't have to show ID?

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By *ortyairCouple
over a year ago

Wallasey

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How so??

Because those who are less likely to have the required identification are those that are also less likely to be a Tory voter. "
Exactly x

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By *ubikslongswordMan
over a year ago

East Grinstead

The only way to make it work is to issue a free valid voting ID which will cost the government Millions to roll out and certainly won't be done by next General Election

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How so??

Because those who are less likely to have the required identification are those that are also less likely to be a Tory voter. "

Aside from Labour governed Wales.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

There is absolutely no need or justification for this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How so??

Because those who are less likely to have the required identification are those that are also less likely to be a Tory voter.

Aside from Labour governed Wales.

I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything because you don't need ID to vote in Wales. Also I hate to break it to you but there are also Welsh Tory voters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked for the electoral commission about 16 years ago and this was being discussed even then. The reason this has not been put in place is because there isn't really a need and because it has been recognised it will exclude a significant number of people from voting."

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

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By *ustamanMan
over a year ago

weymouth

I view it as a distraction to get the population/media all hot under the collar about something that's unlikely to happen thus turning the focus of ire away from more important critical problems such as governmental incompetence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hold on. You don't need to show ID in the UK to vote?

Here in Ireland we do. We don't need to show the polling card however.

What's to stop someone else voting on your behalf if you don't have to show ID?"

You can legally ask someone to vote on your behalf it is called proxy voting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hold on. You don't need to show ID in the UK to vote?

Here in Ireland we do. We don't need to show the polling card however.

What's to stop someone else voting on your behalf if you don't have to show ID?"

Absolutely nothing

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How so??

Because those who are less likely to have the required identification are those that are also less likely to be a Tory voter.

Aside from Labour governed Wales.

I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything because you don't need ID to vote in Wales. Also I hate to break it to you but there are also Welsh Tory voters. "

Not yet we don’t. I know, I am one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported."

The vast majority of the country are against ID cards being compulsory. In fact Tory voters are most likely to against compulsory ID cards which is why it has not been brought in. This is not about compulsory ID cards that is not even on the table this is about a barrier for people that do not have the appropriate identification.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Nope!I don't I actually have no photo I'd and will b lots that don't! Shouldn't b penalised! I will qualify for a pensioner buss pass in July! apparently can use that so any polls b 4 then I shan't b able to vote x

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By *ickshawedCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

It's a waste of time and money. Voter fraud is an insignificant problem. Absolutely miniscule.

Lots of people don't have ID. Lots of people may nip to their polling station without their ID then not go back as it's a faff. Less people will volunteer to work in the polling stations as they don't want any possible agro from denying people a vote.

You're supposed to be able to get ID from your council in order to vote if you have no other ID. But you must be organised and do this at least a week before the election. People will forget. Councils will struggle with staff and costs even if the government funds it.

What if you take your valid ID but have changed your hair/sex/another feature. You can be denied a vote.

It's disenfranchising people and I don't agree with it

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By *eard and BoobsCouple
over a year ago

Portstewart

It's already standard practice in Northern Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

I can't collect a parcel from the Post Office without ID. How on earth do all these people manage without it ?

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

From what I understand its not even an ID card, just a bit of paper that you show at the polling station.

Because thats not open to misuse

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

You need Id. at a lot of swingers clubs but it doesn't mean that you get to say how you think they should be run!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

I can't collect a parcel from the Post Office without ID. How on earth do all these people manage without it ? "

Manage just fine x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

I can't collect a parcel from the Post Office without ID. How on earth do all these people manage without it ? "

Because they do. I've never had to collect a parcel from the Post Office because I just arrange re delivery so I assume people that don't have identification do the same thing.

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over a year ago

"I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

There is only one person who has mentioned conspiracies and that is you. Why do you think this hasn't been brought in sooner? I can tell you the answer as someone who has worked for the electoral commission but you still won't believe anything that you're told if it doesn't fit your narrative.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

I can't collect a parcel from the Post Office without ID. How on earth do all these people manage without it ?

Because they do. I've never had to collect a parcel from the Post Office because I just arrange re delivery so I assume people that don't have identification do the same thing. "

Don't actually need photo I'd a bank card will do x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported.

I can't collect a parcel from the Post Office without ID. How on earth do all these people manage without it ?

Because they do. I've never had to collect a parcel from the Post Office because I just arrange re delivery so I assume people that don't have identification do the same thing.

Don't actually need photo I'd a bank card will do x"

That's true. You can even open a bank account without photo identification it is a little bit more tricky but definitely possible.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I'm still amazed by the fact that photo driving licences weren't introduced until 2014 when we've had them since the 70s here and they were upgraded to the photo card in 1999.

I don't remember anyone speaking out about privacy or human rights when anyone travelling from Belfast including children had their pics taken at check-in for comparison at the boarding gate for many many years before anyone else was subjected to it. Regardless of whether they were travelling on an Irish or UK passport.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

Bit I've just googled this, and first country I saw was Canada and for themba utility bill or bank statement is adequate, its just name and address. They can even take an oath.

Not quite the same as photo ID is it?

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

It's a right-wing voter suppression tactic to prevent poorer people from voting. No more and no less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

Cool, personal attacks when your 'arguments' are shown to be baseless.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The only way to make it work is to issue a free valid voting ID which will cost the government Millions to roll out and certainly won't be done by next General Election "

No. That's not the only way. It's one way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

Cool, personal attacks when your 'arguments' are shown to be baseless.

I think you need to look at the definition of a personal attack. Disagreeing with you is not a personal attack!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Northern Ireland has compulsory ID and higher turnouts than rest of UK, as do many other countries so this argument clearly not true.

The reason the EC does not uncover many cases is because unless someone is actually recognised to be not the person on the voting card there is zero chance of fraud being detected or reported."

Well that was my point above. Nobody knows. But the mantra is trotted out that because we don't catch anyone... Therefore it's not happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love how the rest of the world is all part of this Tory conspiracy by insisting for decades that their voters present ID. And how they achieve higher voter turnout than the UK.

Cool, personal attacks when your 'arguments' are shown to be baseless.

Care to show me where my argument is baseless? Many countries that require ID to vote have a higher rate of voter fraud than we do that is an absolute fact, so I'm not sure why you continue to say that ID is the way forward.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Personally, I'd join some of our European friends and make carrying an official ID card compulsory, with a requirement to show it regularly in day to day transactions. This would out those living here illegally as their life would be made more difficult.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Housebound people need postal voting. My mum used it in the last years of her life and I know many people do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Actually you are wrong. Nearly 4 million UK voters do not have any form a photo identification.

Also if you ban postal and proxy voting you ban people who are in hospital, Housebound, on holiday ect from voting. This would have the opposite effect of encouraging people to go and vote and turn out would be even lower.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

That information would take seconds to find out. Especially in the area I live, where people know where others live it would be extremely easy to do. We don't know if it happens though as no one would know, which is the point I'm making.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

I am absolutely certain that does happen. However does it happen enough to disenfranchise a large number of people from voting?

If there was widespread voter fraud in this country we would have a much higher turn out and we don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I'm not against everyone having ID cards. I don't see why it would be a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last time l voted l was as Stephanie ,using my male name on register, the clerk refused to accept who l was ,l pointed out my adress on the list and my male lD, she wasnt having any of it, called security, the clerk next to her calmly found my details and handed me my ballot paper, so in this instance id failed,others in front of me just stated their name ,no id ,so needs sorting out at least.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No, I don't support it. It's a form of voter suppression in practice.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Wonder why they don't want to do it?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me

1) show me we have a fraud issue

2) show me it effects results

3) show me that ID cards will solve (I bet itsbeasy enough to fake driver license if inreally wanted to)

4) show me how someone without ID can vote.

I'm guessing that 1) it's low at most 2) it doesn't. Not with FTPP 3) it won't (and I'd guess postal fraud is as high) and 4) they will be disenfranchised. Or if not, it leaves a hole for fraud still.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?"

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed. "

Because it's impossible for Technology to go wrong or to be hacked!

Imagine trying to vote and the computer system goes down, That's why we don't have digital voting in this country.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?"

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

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By *anddXXXCouple
over a year ago

London

"No I don't support it.

This would exclude quite a few people from voting if you needed photo identification.

Lots of people assume everyone has a passport or driving licence but I think many would be surprised at the numbers that don't.

You need ID just to collect a parcel from the Post Office. They must be fooked if they shop at Amazon on their phone and not in when they try to deliver.

No not really as you can arrange redelivery. I didn't have any photo ID until 3 years ago and never encountered any problems getting anything I needed. "

Must of been banging to join us all in the 21st Century.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed.

Because it's impossible for Technology to go wrong or to be hacked!

Imagine trying to vote and the computer system goes down, That's why we don't have digital voting in this country. "

How often does the amazon site go down?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote."

There is lots of reasons why not everybody has a driving licence one being because they are not entitled to one. Those on the lowest incomes are least likely to have a passport or driving licence so yet again disenfranchising the most disavantaged when we don't have widespread voter fraud in this country so it is not needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed.

Because it's impossible for Technology to go wrong or to be hacked!

Imagine trying to vote and the computer system goes down, That's why we don't have digital voting in this country.

How often does the amazon site go down? "

What's that got to do with the price of fish? There are times where my Internet goes down and I can't use Amazon but it's OK because I can the next day or the day after or go somewhere else to be able to access the Internet. Can't do that at a polling station though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I don't support it.

This would exclude quite a few people from voting if you needed photo identification.

Lots of people assume everyone has a passport or driving licence but I think many would be surprised at the numbers that don't.

You need ID just to collect a parcel from the Post Office. They must be fooked if they shop at Amazon on their phone and not in when they try to deliver.

No not really as you can arrange redelivery. I didn't have any photo ID until 3 years ago and never encountered any problems getting anything I needed.

Must of been banging to join us all in the 21st Century."

Not really it hasn't made any difference at all.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

So we should have compulsory ID cards as other countries in Europe.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed.

Because it's impossible for Technology to go wrong or to be hacked!

Imagine trying to vote and the computer system goes down, That's why we don't have digital voting in this country.

How often does the amazon site go down?

You know those printed lists of names and address they have at polling stations.? How do you think they get printed out? On a typewriter? No... I'm going to have a reasonably educated guess... Its from a... Computer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?"

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised it hasn't been brought in earlier. Anyone could turn up at a polling station and give a false name and address them vote.

But this doesn't really happen.

How would it be easy to find out whether someone has already voted?

Well... Every vote entitlement card has a unique code. Can't vote without it.

When the vote is cast... You put it on this new fangled Internet computer thing and if they try and use it again it says... "computer says no"....and the dogs are loosed.

Because it's impossible for Technology to go wrong or to be hacked!

Imagine trying to vote and the computer system goes down, That's why we don't have digital voting in this country.

How often does the amazon site go down?

Yes and you could do that from any computer.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote."

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

Also there is a huge amount of privelege in suggesting passports and driving licences aren't expensive! Have you not noticed the mullions living in poverty and those who can't afford to heat their homes or feed their families? Do you think a passport is cheap to them?

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By *eiaorganaWoman
over a year ago

Dundee

"I read an article about it https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1708872/election-laws-photo-identification-requirement-uk-poll-spt/amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently voters will be required to show recognised forms of identification to vote in upcoming elections, but campaigners argue an estimated 3.5 million electorate do not have photographic id.

Its voter suppression, the tories watched it being done in the US and thought it was a great idea to stop the people who will never vote Tory from voting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

You need to have your birth certificate and that of both of your parents so if you don't already have these you have to pay for those, You also have to attend a face-to-face interview which incurs travel costs. It really does smack of privilege and not being involved in reality for people to believe these things are simple and cheap and available to everybody.

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By *ee04Man
over a year ago

Essex

Any citizen has a democratic right to vote providing the following

be registered to vote in the constituency;

be of voting age – 18 years old on polling day;

be either a British, qualifying Commonwealth citizen or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland; and

Not be subject to any legal incapacity to vote – Peers in the House of Lords, prisoners serving a prison sentence or having been convicted of committing certain electoral crimes.

In my opinion anything getting in the way of that right is a crime against democracy.

As for voter fraud. If we had a problem with it in this country I am damn sure it would have come to light. I’m sure it would have been reported that people are turning up at polling stations and are not being able to vote as their vote has already been cast.

As for mail vote fraud again it is going to be minuscule if it happens due to the ballot paper being sent to the address, therefore you need access to get the ballot paper.

This seems like a lot of hassle for each bite and would it really be worth it as it would make hardly any difference.

To me the only way voting could be subject to fraud is at the counts. Even then I think it would be hard to do, due to the fact of amount of individuals involved.

Really people do we have a Trump mentality in this country that thinks we have mass electoral fraud.

Personally I feel I have to exercise my right to vote, wether I spoil my ballot is upto me but I do think I have to turn up.

Someone once said to me I should vote for the other guy as he is better than what we have. My argument was why should I vote for any if I don’t think they are right for me.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

About 3 feet away from the fence

"How does anybody know what voter fraud is in this country? We at one of the more dishonest nations I've encountered so its naive at best to assume we all suddenly become honest citizens.

That's quite some statement! "

I know, right?

Can the person responsible for the above statement provide any evidence for that assertion?

Preferably in the form of some kind of ven diagram or pie chart

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when. "

I'm sorry but you are talking rubbish.

You do need a face-to-face interview if applying for a passport for the 1st time as an adult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when. "

The very fact you fell able to write only £75 shows that you are in a privileged position.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I fancy stealing someone else's right not to be bothered with voting!

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification. "

My neighbour tried to open a bank account last year with 3 different banks. He doesn't drive and had only moved into the house but all 3 banks refused him because they required photo ID and 2 utility bills. He was able to provide his passport but not proof of address so they wouldn't entertain him at all.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How is it an advantage to tories? "

Because they are less likely to benefit from electoral fraud I suppose.

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over a year ago

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

It's not an easy process but it is definitely possible.

These types of bank accounts that are available are usually specifically aimed at people that are homeless or displaced. They are very basic accounts where literally you can put money in and take money out. Barclays for example have a scheme where if you are unable to provide proof identification and have justified reason for this you can have somebody who has a bank account with them and has done for more than 5 years They can basically act as a guarantor. This isn't something that is widely advertised for obvious reasons but citizens advice bureau and homeless charities for example are aware of these.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

I lost my passport and no longer have my deed poll documentation. I think by the time I had sourced a copy birth certificate and an avadavit and attended the appointment I'd spent over £200.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when.

I'm sorry but you are talking rubbish.

You do need a face-to-face interview if applying for a passport for the 1st time as an adult. "

The official guidance says you "may" need a face to face interview. Don't know anyone who has been called.

As for the documentation, it is fairly easy. Just put your parents' passport numbers on the application. It even easier if you apply for a passport for a child. Our daughter has had a passport since she was 6 months old, and applying for a driving licence this year was easy and completely online. No documents or photos required as she has a passport. Driving licence arrived in 4 days and cost £26 I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when.

I'm sorry but you are talking rubbish.

You do need a face-to-face interview if applying for a passport for the 1st time as an adult.

The official guidance says you "may" need a face to face interview. Don't know anyone who has been called.

It may well say you may need however you absolutely do need to attend a face-to-face interview the only exception to this was during the pandemic and covid restrictions. Again smacks of privilege that you think everybody's parents has passports or everybody's parents are still alive. Applying for a driving licence is easy as long as you don't have a medical condition that prevents you from doing so.

It really isn't simple for everybody and the fact is these people are already the most unlikely to be going to the polling station so let's not add another barrier into their way. Every single person who was born after the 1st of April 1983 who is applying for a passport for the 1st time as an adult has to go to an interview. I had to do this 3 years ago.

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By *urchoicenowCouple
over a year ago

Ashford

Yes we should have ID to vote.

People are saying fraud is a miniscule problem, but how do you know? If it's a successful fraud then you won't know if it's a problem or not.

Will it affect turnout? Probably, but with the general apathy shown by people towards voting anyway so what?

General turnout is around 65 percent nationwide on a great turnout. Of those approximately 30-35% of those voters , vote for the winning party so that means at most 20% of the country votes for the winners. Political reform is long overdue but no one will change it when in power as it won't benefit them. All governments in this country are elected in an outdated system, once brought to power by that system there is no incentive to change it

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Why are some people so against ID cards? I just don't get it.

There will be a fallback process for them though. The same as there is for opening a bank account in the UK.

Preferred method of ID has always been a passport or driving licence but as people don't always have one of those alternatives are available.

That doesn't make providing ID at polling adaptions a bad idea.

You assume that will be the case but it might not be, Anything that puts a barrier in the way of people voting is a problem for me as we have very low voter turnout in this country as it is.

The ability to vote is a legal right. It can't be removed. The need to have photo ID isn’t at present and if it became law then people would have no choice would they? I can't see it being made compulsory sadly, as it would offer huge benefits to people and the paranoia and conspiracy theories surrounding a simple piece of plastic card containing a photo and basic details already held by the government are just that - paranoia and wild theories.

The biggest barrier to people voting is in fact just one thing - the fact that it's not compulsory.

Turnout rates are low and people will batch and moan about the government, local and national, and any new laws that come in that affect them. Yet many can't be bothered to use their vote at all.

Maybe making it compulsory is the answer? It would put pressure on people to make the effort to participate and stop people complaining about any lack of democracy.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

Does he/she not pay council tax? I don't know of any bank that requires two forms of address confirmation in the mainland UK - NI may be different but Barclays operates there and they open accounts for receipt of benefits using any benefit confirmation letter as proof of address. It's honestly not difficult at all to get an address confirmed, whether you're working, unemployed, retired or even homeless. There are systems in place for anyone and everyone to open a bank account.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

We don't have council tax here.

We pay a yearly rate on properties we own. This man was renting the property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

We don't have council tax here.

We pay a yearly rate on properties we own. This man was renting the property. "

So he would have a tenancy agreement. He would have letters from the agency or housing association.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote."

I personally don't find either necessary for my life! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote."

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

We don't have council tax here.

We pay a yearly rate on properties we own. This man was renting the property.

So he would have a tenancy agreement. He would have letters from the agency or housing association. "

I've no idea. He no longer lives there. It was last year and I can only say what he told me at the time.

I do know however that when my 16 year old daughter tried to open an account 10 years ago the bank asked her for 2 utility bills despite her age and the fact she was living at home.

They wouldn't accept the ones I gave her because they were in my name and I had to go with her on her third visit and sign a form confirming her identity and being her guarantor so the 2 utility bills were definitely a requirement then.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

The fact that an Oyster Card is classed as acceptable ID for someone who is over 60 but not for someone younger suggests to me that there is something else at play ,

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

We don't have council tax here.

We pay a yearly rate on properties we own. This man was renting the property. "

Ulster Bank accept utility bills, any tax communications if he's working, any benefit communications if he's not, tenancy agreements from councils/housing associations.....all bases covered there.

As I said before. There's an option for everyone. But people sometimes like to make things difficult for themselves.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?"

Never had photo I'd and have bank account x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do those 3.5 million people not have bank accounts? You need some form of ID these days to get a bank account.

Why not have the same rules for voting or getting on the electoral register?

You can open a bank account in this country without an address and without identification.

We don't have council tax here.

We pay a yearly rate on properties we own. This man was renting the property.

So he would have a tenancy agreement. He would have letters from the agency or housing association.

I've no idea. He no longer lives there. It was last year and I can only say what he told me at the time.

I do know however that when my 16 year old daughter tried to open an account 10 years ago the bank asked her for 2 utility bills despite her age and the fact she was living at home.

Exactly but it was completely possible. The point is there are ways round having ID to get a bank account. Banks have an obligation to provide a bank account to everybody even if it's just very basic. This is because benefits are now only paid into bank accounts. You used to be able to get the paid in to a Post Office account where you just need an invite letter from the dwp but they have now been stopped so there is a similar system for banks.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Ambivalent about it.

Think it’s on its way.

That reminds me my passport needs renewing best get ready to financially have my pants taken down.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No I don't support it.

It is not needed. There is no evidence of voter fraud that warrants such massive intrusion and potential voter suppression.

We should be doing everything we can to increase voter turn out and certainly not to do the opposite.

This affects some of the very people who need greater levels of state support and to be properly represented.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X"

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ambivalent about it.

Think it’s on its way.

That reminds me my passport needs renewing best get ready to financially have my pants taken down.

It's not as it can't get through Parliament. There have been many bills trying to get this through and they have all been rejected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year."

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Ambivalent about it.

Think it’s on its way.

That reminds me my passport needs renewing best get ready to financially have my pants taken down.

It's not as it can't get through Parliament. There have been many bills trying to get this through and they have all been rejected. "

It’s in the post one way or another. Time will tell.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year."

Yikes and the colours a bit shite now as well.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place! "

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

This is true! One if my daughters getting her first passport few years back had to attend a face to face interview in London so cost of 2 tickets as had to go with her as she has aspergers and was not happy going alone! Added to the passport cost x

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By *ansexualPandaMan
over a year ago

Near You

I have a driver's licence and a passport, both forms of photographic ID. I need a passport to leave and re-enter the country. Even at my age, I've sometimes been asked for ID to get into some clubs. I've long thought that it's a bit mad that you can be asked for ID to buy a beer but you don't need to show ID in order to vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome."

Like I said privileged.

You don't seem to want to understand the struggles some people face.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I have a driver's licence and a passport, both forms of photographic ID. I need a passport to leave and re-enter the country. Even at my age, I've sometimes been asked for ID to get into some clubs. I've long thought that it's a bit mad that you can be asked for ID to buy a beer but you don't need to show ID in order to vote."

Still get Id at 40. You lucky duck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In Ireland we have always showed an id card to vote, even if the person checking the names knew me, always checked id.

I honestly don't get the amount of complaints about this, we are letting people in left , right and centre to our countries, we need proper ids. Never mind voting fraud look at welfare fraud and benefit fraud its mental..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Is it a coincidence that this will obviously be an advantage to the Tories, just as their approval ratings are so low. Another dirty trick from Tories...

How is it an advantage to tories?

Because they are less likely to benefit from electoral fraud I suppose."

They are likely to be less affected by loss of votes, of the people that they have disenfranchised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In Ireland we have always showed an id card to vote, even if the person checking the names knew me, always checked id.

A quick look and Northern Ireland has quite high welfare fraud so I'm not sure having ID will prevent that. If people want to commit fraud they will do regardless of whether there is compulsory ID or not as is shown in many countries that have this system. The vast majority of welfare fraud is people not declaring changes in circumstances not because they don't have photo ID.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

They is very little voter fraud and this would just disenfranchise poorer voters.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome.

Like I said privileged.

You don't seem to want to understand the struggles some people face. "

Some people really don't!some Very privileged peeps on this thread!

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome.

Like I said privileged.

You don't seem to want to understand the struggles some people face. "

On the basis 92% of people have suitable photo ID I would say it is normal, not privileged.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome."

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome."

And fir other people it's a months food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome.

Like I said privileged.

You don't seem to want to understand the struggles some people face.

On the basis 92% of people have suitable photo ID I would say it is normal, not privileged."

So you would quite happily exclude 8% of the population from being able to vote is that correct? Being able to vote is a basic human right not a privilege.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year."

As someone said u can't pay in instalments! And 75.50 is a huge amount to me! U obvs have no idea! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

And don't cost much? £90 pounds is alot to me for a passport! X

£75.50 = £7.55 per year.

You cannot pay for a passport in instalments so you have to have the £75 plus the money for any other documents you may need in the 1st place!

I know, but it's only the same as half a tank of diesel for the motorhome.

Like I said privileged.

You don't seem to want to understand the struggles some people face.

On the basis 92% of people have suitable photo ID I would say it is normal, not privileged."

Wow!

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"They is very little voter fraud and this would just disenfranchise poorer voters."

Very true. The tories rely on votes from the aspirational poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!"

You are aware it's the majority of people in this country that do not support compulsory ID cards right? If it was as simple as you made out and solved all the issues you mentioned and so many people were in support why do you think it isn't already in place?

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"In Ireland we have always showed an id card to vote, even if the person checking the names knew me, always checked id.

And how much do you have to pay for ID in Ireland?

This legislation is about voter suppression, pure and simple.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Not had priveliged in my private notes before! Lol first for everything! X

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"In Ireland we have always showed an id card to vote, even if the person checking the names knew me, always checked id.

And how much do you have to pay for ID in Ireland?

This legislation is about voter suppression, pure and simple."

Exactly. I'm happy with the idea of ID to vote, something like a utility bill that proves address seems adequate.

Making it a driving licence or passport makes it clear it's not about ID

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!"

Can yiu give me some examples of how compulsory ID would make the UK abetted place?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In Ireland we have always showed an id card to vote, even if the person checking the names knew me, always checked id.

And how much do you have to pay for ID in Ireland?

This legislation is about voter suppression, pure and simple.

Exactly. I'm happy with the idea of ID to vote, something like a utility bill that proves address seems adequate.

Making it a driving licence or passport makes it clear it's not about ID "

If they are going to require identification which I do not agree with then the only sense of option would be photo identification. At the moment you need to give a name and address and people say anyone can do that well by that logic anyone could pick up somebody else's utility bill. So in my mind it's pointless and we might as well stick with what we have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all. "

I think we all know the answer to this. You have a devolved government that to a certain extent makes its own laws if your government chooses to make those laws it doesn't mean other governments have to do the same.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all.

Ah right. The old we all know why answer. Let the second class citizens carry on regardless.

Those laws were all made in London, not Belfast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

the Tories rather depend on the grey brigade, Daily Fail readers etc for votes, this looks like a cynical attempt to bar young people, many of whom will be voting for the first time, from actually voting?

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By *ansexualPandaMan
over a year ago

Near You

Still get Id at 40. You lucky duck

Doesn't happen a lot but every now and then. I was meeting a guy in London about a month ago and was asked for ID to enter the club. The time before that was at Halloween, which was weird because I was wearing face paint and I could have had anyone's ID

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all.

Ah right. The old we all know why answer. Let the second class citizens carry on regardless.

Those laws were all made in London, not Belfast. "
is it right you've needed ID to vote even before then ?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Still get Id at 40. You lucky duck

A lot of London clubs require ID and will scan it as a condition of entry, it's in their licensing terms.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

Errr.. why wouldn't anyone who is approaching 17 be getting their driving licence in plenty of time. So, they will have had it for a year (maybe passed their test as well) before they are 18. So it isn't barring anyone.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

Not everyone who's approaching 17 can afford a driving licence.

Let alone lessons, tests, or a car.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

What of you are disabled and can't drive? What if yiu live in Central London and a car is pointless.

I was on my late 20s before I learnt.

Nit everyone thinks learning tp drive is necessary at 17

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all.

Ah right. The old we all know why answer. Let the second class citizens carry on regardless.

Those laws were all made in London, not Belfast. "

You are aware the government you guys have is the government you guys vote for?

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

Not everyone who's approaching 17 can afford a driving licence.

Let alone lessons, tests, or a car. "

The license for my daughter was only £26 I think. Lessons are a bit more, the expensive bit will be insuring her on the car so she can practice.

Also the 6 month waiting list for a driving test increases the cost of lessons.

So getting a license isn't really a barrier even if it is only used for ID.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"I think it's a perfectly legitimate requirement..

We need ID to perform some of the most basic, yet, important functions in our lives such as opening a bank account or taking out a phone contract..

Yet when it comes the government dictating what we should do, the freedom of rights and civil liberty front are up in arms..

I fully believe the UK would be a far better place if we all had a government issued photo ID; most of the rest of the civil (and uncivilised) World use it.

Obviously, some states use it for nefarious reasons but for civilised countries (and I hope the UK is classed as civilised) it works well.

It also drives down fraud and underhand behaviours that allows certain groups to live and work illegally in the UK.

I'm personally sick and tired of living in a nanny state where the vocal minority has the say through disruptive techniques that affect everyone else going about their daily lives.. GRRRRRR

Rant over!

I'm sure you're also aware that the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit.

Why has photo ID at polling stations and photo driving licences been compulsory for a particular part of the UK but not for the rest?

Why were citizens of NI put through a compulsory photo check at UK airports that residents of other parts were not?

Compulsory photo ID should be applied across the country or not at all.

Ah right. The old we all know why answer. Let the second class citizens carry on regardless.

Those laws were all made in London, not Belfast.

You are aware the government you guys have is the government you guys vote for? "

What government is that then? You may not be aware but we haven't had one in a few years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is that the government has allowed pensioners to also use their bus passes as a form of ID but has denied students the right to use student ID which is acceptable in bars etc. Whilst

Because some 17 year olds cannot get driving licences including my niece who has epilepsy! So yes as explained to you before it does bar some people.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

It's a solution in seach of a problem and voter fraud is such a very small % of all votes cast and think we should be far worried about the reasoning behind it and concentrate on our actual so called Democracy wherein a Party that only got just under 41% of ALL votes cast be allowed to cause such lasting damage to our country ???? and where we live in Plymouth the figure is around 8 thousand people not being allowed to vote despite voting in the last election and they are mainly from the poorer/deprived area who do tend to vote a certain way ??

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Its been an interesting discussion everyone. I have done a new thread that we can continue on

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

"ID should be compulsory. Proxy and postal votes should be banned.

Almost everyone has some form of photo ID - driving licence, passport etc.

Statistically 'almost everyone has some form of photo ID' is simply not true.

Why should postal and proxy votes not be allowed?

According to the Electoral Commission 8% of voters don't have a photo ID, which means 92% do. That is "almost everyone".

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have either a driving licence or passport. They don't cost much and are necessary for modern life.

There is a significant issue with fraud in certain communities where postal votes are collected by community leaders and are submitted on behalf of those who have the right to vote.

Hang on how are postal votes made nt people entitled to vote fraudulent?

To get a passport if you have not had one previously will cost you well over a £100.

The documents needed are a pain but it’s only £75.50 and no face to face interview is needed. It still isn't cheap I know! I’m certain there would be other ways to prove ID as and when.

I'm sorry but you are talking rubbish.

You do need a face-to-face interview if applying for a passport for the 1st time as an adult. "

That’s the information on the Gov website. It’s also the process I followed to help my MIL sister apply for her first passport (online).

I don’t think there’s any need to tell me to stop talking rubbish!!

I’ll happily accept being corrected politely!

There are often exceptions to the rules if it’s not a textbook application, I can only speak from experience.

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