FabSwingers.com forum: Racism

By *anted by Night OP Man
over a year ago

Shangri-La

At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

it's nothing to do with age - its more likely down to how people define what is racist and what is not

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

none ... as humans we learn as we move thru life so it does not matter what age you are there's no excuse

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By *aptainhornpipeMan
over a year ago

manchester

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Why should there be an upper limit, this woman was still in a job (it’s unpaid but she doesn’t exactly need the money) so she was expected to have all her facilities in tact.

Why should she be excused just cos her DOB is further away than most.

It’s telling really the sort of questions she asked of someone who has always been totally detached from most of normal society

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By *REEPALESTINEMan
over a year ago

derby

Ignorant and uneducated I think more than racism

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

My friend was being interviewed on TV. My 88 year old dad said "she speaks good English for an Indian". She was born in Birmingham.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in. "

Yeah this. I think what's common these days is for older people to think they are not being racist, but still use terms and slurs which are racist. I always correct my grandparents but between having a shite memory and thinking it was ok when they last used their brain, it's difficult!

Anyone who can use a brain should not do it, because that would make them a c*nt

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By *izzmasterzeroMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Should never be tolerated but I don't think it's something that will ever go away

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I suspect the lady in question holds many prejudices (I doubt there are many people free of them). Personally I think in general we should be aware that not everyone has the benefit of being in touch with how society has moved forward and cut people some slack. Point out where they're wrong by all means but don't bring your prejudices to bear on them either

As for the incident that's sparked this, there's no excuse in my opinion. Surely to goodness palace staff and members of the household would have been briefed. Maybe other people who've called out palace racism will be given a bit more sympathy now.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in.

Anyone who can use a brain should not do it, because that would make them a c*nt"

That's quite prejudicial towards old people

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By *anted by Night OP Man
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word"

So you can be racist if you're an old lady. She asked where the guest in question was from and then refused to take ‘Britain’ as an answer, despite, I am sure, it being very clear the person she was arguing for a different answer was being made to feel extremely uncomfortable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There’s no excuse for racism, it just doesn’t even make any sense.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Language changes over time although some people change over time and some don't.

I am sure Mousey and Beardey will be suitably outraged though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

Who refused Britain? I've no idea what your talking about.

I think I've missed a key component to this conversation and just ploughed on regardless haven't I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My friend was being interviewed on TV. My 88 year old dad said "she speaks good English for an Indian". She was born in Birmingham. "

Oh wow so even better achievement fair play to her

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Have we heard Lady Hussey's side of the exchange? Or are we believe only the conveniently transcribed 'verbatim' account of Marlene Headley aka Ngozi Fulani? This smacks of a contrived media witch hunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tolerated never.

How it challenege however should depend on the person, their history, track record and the severity of the racism.

Not every racist act or thought is necessarily coming from a place of hate.

It's doesn't mean it should be tolerated but just that public crucifixion may not always be the best way to deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

Who refused Britain? I've no idea what your talking about.

I think I've missed a key component to this conversation and just ploughed on regardless haven't I "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63808613 Primer. Someone repeatedly asked the Godmother of one of the royals kids where she was *really* from, and wouldn't;t take Britain as an answer. The questioner was an old person, the person being questioned was black.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Tolerated never.

How it challenege however should depend on the person, their history, track record and the severity of the racism.

Not every racist act or thought is necessarily coming from a place of hate.

It's doesn't mean it should be tolerated but just that public crucifixion may not always be the best way to deal with it."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in.

Anyone who can use a brain should not do it, because that would make them a c*nt

That's quite prejudicial towards old people "

#notalloldpeople. They are in their 90s and it was a different generation who generally used alot of terms they didn't believe we're racist in those days, yet are.

Not being prejudicial at all, just my experience and knowing abit of history!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Basically, a question, poorly phrased, asked to a overly sensitive person.

This was never going to end well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tolerated never.

How it challenege however should depend on the person, their history, track record and the severity of the racism.

Not every racist act or thought is necessarily coming from a place of hate.

It's doesn't mean it should be tolerated but just that public crucifixion may not always be the best way to deal with it."

Totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in.

Anyone who can use a brain should not do it, because that would make them a c*nt"

It's an interesting response about prejudice, and an example of making comments with a prejudiced undertone, whilst believing its acceptable. This wins clanger of the day for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Language changes over time although some people change over time and some don't.

I am sure Mousey and Beardey will be suitably outraged though...

I'm not outraged, whatever would give you that idea. This woman was racist. However she was not abusive.

She probably had a genuine interest to learn more, but lacked the skills to ask without doing it in a way that at best was racially insensitive.

Her comments seem to be borne from general ignorance, of which age is a factor, and also her ostensibly 'Royal Family' social circle probably didn't help.

She should not ever be 'excused and forbidden', but rather educated as to why it was wrong, and accepting of whatever comes her way as a result, of which losing her job seems fair and right. She can't possibly be unaware of the needs for using the right language, the royals LIVE on saying the right things and understanding the socials dos and don't, and it's not like the Royals have never had a bit of racism scandal for them to read up on how to avoid it etc.

She might never accept it racist, most of us who are on the whole all likely to be younger probably see it differently. But she still has to meet societies standards, not those she's familiar with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in.

Anyone who can use a brain should not do it, because that would make them a c*nt

It's an interesting response about prejudice, and an example of making comments with a prejudiced undertone, whilst believing its acceptable. This wins clanger of the day for me."

I'm not even gonna pretend I understand what you're saying there but coolio!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't understand why some people in the media and in interviews I have listened to with members of the public saying this just goes to show that the Royal family are racist.

Thank God I have not been judged Based on a prejudiced comment made by one of my elderly relatives.

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

Hardly surprising in Royal household as Prince Phillip was renowned for his racist comments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Susan Hussey moved Ngozi's hair to see her name badge.

I'd be like, fuck off with your uninvited touch, just ask me my name!

It smacks of 'know your place' bs.

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By *asmartsCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

"Have we heard Lady Hussey's side of the exchange? Or are we believe only the conveniently transcribed 'verbatim' account of Marlene Headley aka Ngozi Fulani? This smacks of a contrived media witch hunt."

I agree, I heard the transcript of the conversation not knowing who either person was, I thought it was shocking. I then heard the lady asking the questions is 83, the lady replying was in national dress so can have some sympathy with the lady asking the questions who I don’t think was being racist.

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By *waffham1102Man
over a year ago

King's Lynn, Norfolk

I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read the transcript too.

I'd never interrogate someone like that. After the first, I'm from Hackney, that's it. No more questions about where someone is from. Who cares anyway?

Why not ask questions about what she's doing in her charity instead. That's what the thing was for.

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By *anted by Night OP Man
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"I read the transcript too.

I'd never interrogate someone like that. After the first, I'm from Hackney, that's it. No more questions about where someone is from. Who cares anyway?

Why not ask questions about what she's doing in her charity instead. That's what the thing was for.

Exactly

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Racism is based in ignorance and a desire to have authority or control.. look at how many didn't find or feel what she said was racist! Her age and other generations like her CHOOSE ignorance despite there being plenty of resources to change or become educated on what's appropriate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Blatant' racism should never be excused.

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By *thfloorCouple
over a year ago

Hove

"Don't understand why some people in the media and in interviews I have listened to with members of the public saying this just goes to show that the Royal family are racist.

Thank God I have not been judged Based on a prejudiced comment made by one of my elderly relatives. "

Lets be real - your elderly relatives do not represent a royal house, do they? Talking nonsense or being prejudiced in private life does not have the same impact as doing it while in a public role capacity, especially in a seat of power like the palace.

A palace-organised event can be very intimidating for people not used to this environment. These people were invited in for the work they are doing, they should have been looked after and made to feel welcome rather than accosted by the hosts. This kind of conversation is a common type of microaggression and is something that ethnic minorities have to deal with on the daily. But a random heckling you on the street is not the same as a lady-in-waiting doing it. For the people who say we don't know what happened, there were other people present. For the people who say she's overreacting, I don't think you have been in a similar situation so how can you decide that? Basically you're saying an incident like that shouldn't be brought to attention.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?"

We've been asked similar questions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?"

I think the questions about it are more is it accurate, that's quite a lot to pull from memory, some of it has to be wrong in some minor way at least, no-one has that good a recall - it's not a transcript at all, just a recollection - however, I personally think that it's close enough that you can't really doubt her, unless you are suggesting she has made it up, or exaggerated it in order to create controversy where there was none. I guess that's a possibility, but the fact that Buckingham Palace said:

--"We take this incident extremely seriously and have investigated immediately to establish the full details.

"In this instance, unacceptable and deeply regrettable comments have been made. We have reached out to Ngozi Fulani on this matter, and are inviting her to discuss all elements of her experience in person if she wishes.

"In the meantime, the individual concerned would like to express her profound apologies for the hurt caused and has stepped aside from her honorary role with immediate effect.

"All members of the household are being reminded of the diversity and inclusivity policies which they are required to uphold at all times."--

...Probably suggests it's accurate..

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"'Blatant' racism should never be excused.

Is discreet racism ok?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

--"We take this incident extremely seriously and have investigated immediately to establish the full details.

"In the meantime, the individual concerned would like to express her profound apologies for the hurt caused and has stepped aside from her honorary role with immediate effect.

"All members of the household are being reminded of the diversity and inclusivity policies which they are required to uphold at all times."--

...Probably suggests it's accurate.."

Even if it isn't accurate I was replying to two posters who claimed to have read it and be because the person was 80 and Ngozi Fulani was in national dress excused it as not actually racist.

Questioning the exact wording would be a different matter.

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By *thfloorCouple
over a year ago

Hove

"Susan Hussey moved Ngozi's hair to see her name badge.

I'd be like, fuck off with your uninvited touch, just ask me my name!

It smacks of 'know your place' bs. "

This is a detail that fascinated me, not sure what to make of it. It seems so minor... yet she likened it to violence, I guess in combination with the tone of the questioning it could have felt like that. Personally I find gestures and touch reassuring even from complete strangers, however I am not black so it's kinda irrelevant. Obviously a loaded gesture as you describe.

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By *waffham1102Man
over a year ago

King's Lynn, Norfolk

Wearing National dress from where? AHH yes, England of course, or do you mean the United Kingdom perhaps? I was unaware that we have a national dress! If we do I suspect it will offend someone

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Does Marlene Headley, aka Ngozi Fulani, have issues with the Royal Family...maybe over their treatment of Meghan Markle?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does Marlene Headley, aka Ngozi Fulani, have issues with the Royal Family...maybe over their treatment of Meghan Markle? "

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her.

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By *waffham1102Man
over a year ago

King's Lynn, Norfolk

Or Meghan Markles treatment of the Royal Family. Always two three sides to all these debates

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?"

Nope!... Look at some comments on here just because she had on printed fabric dress that made it ok to press further..

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her. "

Weird coincidence this happened the day before the trailer for Meghan and Harry's Netflix documentary is released

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

We've been asked similar questions "

Same... At a sex club of all places.. I simply said I'm from my moms vagina I think she took the hint. To others who heard her they did tell her how out of order she was

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By *evoncplCouple
over a year ago

holsworthy

Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No chance of a new series of love thy neighbour then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying"

I'm just gonna make the usual "there is none" and step away from this now, it's jumped it's shark.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

We've been asked similar questions

Same... At a sex club of all places.. I simply said I'm from my moms vagina I think she took the hint. To others who heard her they did tell her how out of order she was"

We get asked all the time. Often disbelief is expressed and one woman actually insisted that we must really be American

People make assumptions based on their prejudices all the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying"

You know white people can win these awards right? It's the origen of the music genre and not the persons skin color. So all in all I think they are a pretty diverse award show

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

It should never be tolerated at any age. But ignorance is another matter.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist. "

I'm sorry if this is considered a thread derailment, but that's utterly bizarre. It's very easy not to be racist. Just treat people "of colour" the same way you'd treat anyone else and you'll do just fine.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I suspect the lady in question holds many prejudices (I doubt there are many people free of them). Personally I think in general we should be aware that not everyone has the benefit of being in touch with how society has moved forward and cut people some slack. Point out where they're wrong by all means but don't bring your prejudices to bear on them either

Anyone representing the Head of State of the UK simply cannot behave in the way she did, irrespective of age or whatever. If the woman in question cannot hold a suitably civil conversation with diverse guests, she should not be representing the Head of State for any reason.

She will no longer be representing, but it would appear her retirement or removal from her role is somewhat overdue.

My Dad is 83 and I've never heard him utter a racist comment. He grew up in exactly the same country as Lady Hussey and went through the British boarding school system. Yet, he is a very tolerant and worldly wise person (despite the advancing dementia). My Dad has enjoyed spending time with and working with people of all backgrounds, even when it wasn't the "done thing". His Dad used to listen to jazz and blues music by black musicians, and loved this style of music, so he was encouraged to appreciate all sorts of things from the very beginning.

It just shows what a lack of exposure to diversity creates, in my view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

Nope!... Look at some comments on here just because she had on printed fabric dress that made it ok to press further.. "

If she had been white in the same outfit she may well have been asked the same question you can't say no because you don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her.

Weird coincidence this happened the day before the trailer for Meghan and Harry's Netflix documentary is released "

What was said was unacceptable and inappropriate however It was not abusive as the lady has claimed. I have to say I'm inclined to agree with you.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

She will no longer be representing, but it would appear her retirement or removal from her role is somewhat overdue.

It just shows what a lack of exposure to diversity creates, in my view."

Agreed.

My dad once referred to our family home as 'the league of nations'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

Nope!... Look at some comments on here just because she had on printed fabric dress that made it ok to press further..

If she had been white in the same outfit she may well have been asked the same question you can't say no because you don't know."

That would still be racist. Its not an excuse cause they are dressed forgien ffs

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her.

Weird coincidence this happened the day before the trailer for Meghan and Harry's Netflix documentary is released

What was said was unacceptable and inappropriate however It was not abusive as the lady has claimed. I have to say I'm inclined to agree with you. "

I don't think it's down to us to decide what someone else finds abusive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her.

Weird coincidence this happened the day before the trailer for Meghan and Harry's Netflix documentary is released

What was said was unacceptable and inappropriate however It was not abusive as the lady has claimed. I have to say I'm inclined to agree with you.

I don't think it's down to us to decide what someone else finds abusive"

I think it is though because anyone can say something is abusive to get sympathy or to aggravate a situation. If someone says to me I'm not a nice person yes it's unpleasant But it's not abusive if they don't go on to use insulting or abusive words. If I then go on to say I was abused by this person That's me overegging the situation.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

She is friends with Meghan Markle and has expressed public sympathy for her.

Weird coincidence this happened the day before the trailer for Meghan and Harry's Netflix documentary is released

What was said was unacceptable and inappropriate however It was not abusive as the lady has claimed. I have to say I'm inclined to agree with you.

I don't think it's down to us to decide what someone else finds abusive

I think if I feel I've been abused and say so it should be addressed. Either an explanation given as to why I've misunderstood or an acceptance that it was abusive and appropriate action taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Old folks are fucked up and cringey but god they can be comedy gold with that missing filter

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Racism should never be tolerated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what I understand, having read more about what actually happened, this seems to be more of a case of someone playing the race card rather than an actual racist comment being made.

Apparently, the 82 year old lady who has been forced to resign asked a visiting dignatory who had attended in, shall we say, culturally significant attire, where she was from. That's it.

How is that racist.

How many people on here have been asked where they're from?

It's a general enquiry.

Most people, proud of their ancestry and heritage, would likely have simply answered the question.

In my opinion, anyone who gets offended by such a question has underlying racism issues of their own.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

She could have been forgiven for asking once. But she kept at it! My mum is a similar age and doesn't get that 'coloured' isn't ok to say but she would never have done this to someone! She's Swiss and still has an accent so she is asked regularly where are comes from. But she's white so it doesn't have the same meaning behind it and they don't keep questioning her.

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

I'm not sure how anyone could read that transcript and argue it wasn't racist.

Would she have asked a white person the follow up questions?

Nope!... Look at some comments on here just because she had on printed fabric dress that made it ok to press further..

If she had been white in the same outfit she may well have been asked the same question you can't say no because you don't know.

That would still be racist. Its not an excuse cause they are dressed forgien ffs"

Glad you answered exact sentiments

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

"From what I understand, having read more about what actually happened, this seems to be more of a case of someone playing the race card rather than an actual racist comment being made.

Apparently, the 82 year old lady who has been forced to resign asked a visiting dignatory who had attended in, shall we say, culturally significant attire, where she was from. That's it.

How is that racist.

How many people on here have been asked where they're from?

It's a general enquiry.

Most people, proud of their ancestry and heritage, would likely have simply answered the question.

In my opinion, anyone who gets offended by such a question has underlying racism issues of their own.

Race card hmm..

So saying I'm from Britain born raced here and then saying the area is not enough.. but to then continued to be asked as if you are lying and then when asked no what part of Africa is not racist?.. my family are 9 generations REMOVED from Africa am I supposed to say Africa when you might be 2 generations REMOVED from Germany but simply replying BRITISH IS ENOUGH

IT was out of order..And racist

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By *thfloorCouple
over a year ago

Hove

"From what I understand, having read more about what actually happened, this seems to be more of a case of someone playing the race card rather than an actual racist comment being made.

Apparently, the 82 year old lady who has been forced to resign asked a visiting dignatory who had attended in, shall we say, culturally significant attire, where she was from. That's it.

How is that racist.

How many people on here have been asked where they're from?

It's a general enquiry.

Most people, proud of their ancestry and heritage, would likely have simply answered the question.

In my opinion, anyone who gets offended by such a question has underlying racism issues of their own.

Well if you thought it was a visiting dignitary you haven't read or understood enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Basically, a question, poorly phrased, asked to a overly sensitive person.

This was never going to end well. "

Sweetie,

You forgot to add the chip on the shoulder bit!

I doubt she was being overly sensitive but someone who just will not take Britain as a place of birth for a black female and kept on asking different questions, is hardly 'phrasing' it wrong.

Having attended one of these shindigs, it's easy to be overheard and it was independently witnessed by others.

I was asked whilst at the palace, where I came from; just shrugged and said North London and the suburb.

It wasn't asked in a racist manner, they were just being ignorant.

It no longer amazes me that the idea of racism is abhorrent to nearly all but the reality of it is mostly excused; they didn't mean it like that, it's their age, it's a generational thing etc

When someone repeatedly questions where you were born, they are blatantly telling you that you are not 'one of us'. You can't possibly be British, let along English. You are being othered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Language changes over time although some people change over time and some don't.

I am sure Mousey and Beardey will be suitably outraged though...

I'm not outraged, whatever would give you that idea. This woman was racist. However she was not abusive.

She probably had a genuine interest to learn more, but lacked the skills to ask without doing it in a way that at best was racially insensitive.

Her comments seem to be borne from general ignorance, of which age is a factor, and also her ostensibly 'Royal Family' social circle probably didn't help.

She might never accept it racist, most of us who are on the whole all likely to be younger probably see it differently. But she still has to meet societies standards, not those she's familiar with.

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no racism in the royals. Meghan was totally wrong because she's an evil foreigner who stole good Prince Harry.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

So if I walked around Lagos calling myself John Bull and wearing a pin stripe suit, bowler hat and umbrella, should I be offended if asked "where do you come from?" Is that really racist or just curiosity? As an ex-pat I've been asked my origins countless times.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"So if I walked around Lagos calling myself John Bull and wearing a pin stripe suit, bowler hat and umbrella, should I be offended if asked "where do you come from?" Is that really racist or just curiosity? As an ex-pat I've been asked my origins countless times."

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour."

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying"

They’d be shit. Folk music and morris dancing.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

And if you answer "Pershore, Worcestershire" but are repeatedly asked "no, no, but where are you REALLY from?" Or "yes, but where are your PEOPLE from?", you might reasonably wonder WTF is going on and if the person questioning you is entirely in possession of their faculties.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Also, I find the "where are you from" question impossible to answer. I'm not from anywhere really. All over the place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were from Lagos, and said so 5 times to an increasingly disbelieving audience, and when you finally say "OK I have family from England in previous generations and then they go "Ahhh, see I knew it!" then yeah, it's the same deal. Also, what a numbnuts analogy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word"

It doesn't read like that at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity. "

Asking is cool, curiosity is a good thing for most. Disbelieving the answer is not.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Good point, because I'm not (originally) from Pershore, nor for that matter England. So I explain my background and a pleasant chat ensues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying

They’d be shit. Folk music and morris dancing. "

I went to a ceilidh thing (a while back with someone on Fab actually!) and there was Morris Dancing too - it was fucking brilliant

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity. "

But it's not the same, as your answer in those cases would have been 'the UK' or 'England' or however you chose to answer. Issue here is not that she looked 'different', but more that she was asked to explain where she was *really from* as if, because of the way she looked, Britain could not possibly be the answer.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

"She could have been forgiven for asking once. But she kept at it! "

I think this is the key point here, but without a recording we’ll never really know.

May she is inherently racist and doesn’t know it. Maybe she has led a very sheltered life within a privileged clique. Maybe she’s a daft old bat. Maybe she has posters of Mosley and Hitler in her bedroom and kisses them every night. We’ll never know.

Hopefully we can move on now. Hopefully folk will be a bit more respectful of each other in future.

Hopefully.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

The "where are you from?" question will strike a chord with most residents of NI of a certain age.

Not in relation to skin colour but driven by religious bigotry or xenophobia.

Racism is not acceptable full stop.

Neither is xenophobia and it's always ironic to see people condemn one but excusing the other as a preference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Good point, because I'm not (originally) from Pershore, nor for that matter England. So I explain my background and a pleasant chat ensues. "

Interestingly, no matter which bit of Britain I chose to reply is where I'm "from", no-one has ever then felt the need to say "but no, where are you from REALLY". Probably because I have white skin and could plausibly be from absolutely any British town or city.

I do, however, have an unusual name. It is not English. I am not English. People do ask about the origin of my name but because the answer is incredibly boring and again, "fits" with my apparently ethnicity, people just say "cool" and crack on. In fact, I'm not 100% white Brit but you can't tell by looking at me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good point, because I'm not (originally) from Pershore, nor for that matter England. So I explain my background and a pleasant chat ensues. "

The question wasn't;t as simple of quick as saying where she was from though.

It was 8 questions and refusing to take the answer and even at the end gleefully stating they have worked out where you are from and telling you you're essentially wrong. Would that be pleasant enough for you?

Where are you from (states organisation - remember this is a works/charity event)

No where do you come from (States town it's based in)

No, what part of Africa...(States you don't know exactly, no real records)

You must know where you're from ... (States The UK)

But what nationality (States, British...)

No where are you really from, where are your people from (Starts getting a bit annoyed)

Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you're from. When did you first come here? (States again she is British, but her parents came here in the 50s)

Oh, I knew we'd get there in the end, you're Caribbean! (states, again, clearly she is of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.

Oh so you're from... - FFS!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist. "

I'm sure the people "of colour" around you are absolutely devastated by this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying"

"Just saying" something that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand

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By *waffham1102Man
over a year ago

King's Lynn, Norfolk

My wife is from Mexico and guess what everyone assumes she is local. The reason being, she speaks better English than most and dresses like a local. She doesn't wear a poncho or sombrero, because it is not practical in this climate and speaking Spanish would not work either. She has never had any negativity from anyone, perhaps fitting in has its merits. I would love to walk around naked with a butt plug up my rear, but don't as it would upset people and also provoke unnecessary arguments about my sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist.

It's actually very difficult if you are racist.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

""Just saying" something that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand

“Just Saying” is the classic sign off of trying to make something confrontational more passive-aggressive.

It reads like “so, ner!”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Just saying" something that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand

“Just Saying” is the classic sign off of trying to make something confrontational more passive-aggressive.

It reads like “so, ner!”."

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has been an AMAZING filter thread.

Thank you OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My wife is from Mexico and guess what everyone assumes she is local. The reason being, she speaks better English than most and dresses like a local. She doesn't wear a poncho or sombrero, because it is not practical in this climate and speaking Spanish would not work either. She has never had any negativity from anyone, perhaps fitting in has its merits. I would love to walk around naked with a butt plug up my rear, but don't as it would upset people and also provoke unnecessary arguments about my sexuality

I'm sorry but.......what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you're saying she shouldn't have dressed like that?

And here's me thinking we'd seen the worst takes long ago!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

LOOOOOLLLLL

You know when you hit the middle button on your key board so it types random words

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist.

It's actually very difficult if you are racist. "

That is true, Tess

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

So you're saying she shouldn't have dressed like that?

And here's me thinking we'd seen the worst takes long ago!"

I think he's saying she should have worn a butt-plug.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you're saying she shouldn't have dressed like that?

And here's me thinking we'd seen the worst takes long ago!

I think he's saying she should have worn a butt-plug."

Oh your people are from Uranus

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By *waffham1102Man
over a year ago

King's Lynn, Norfolk

Dress how you want, but don't be surprised if attracts questions, such as where are you from or where did you get that hat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dress how you want, but don't be surprised if attracts questions, such as where are you from or where did you get that hat? "

I got the hat in M&S.

But where did it come from

I dunno wearhouse

But where was it made.

Says made in the UK

No no no where did the material come from

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Dress how you want, but don't be surprised if attracts questions, such as where are you from or where did you get that hat? "

Good advice. And my top tip is accept people's answers when they tell you where they are from.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

She was there for an award fir a London charity, being curious anout someone's origins doesn't cut it when it's completely irrelevant even as a form of smalltalk.

It racist. And age doesn't cut it. Not all octogenarian are racist, my grandparents certainly weren't it's not a generational thing

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By *anted by Night OP Man
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"This has been an AMAZING filter thread.

Thank you OP"

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

Must brummies speak terrible English.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Genuinely curious, do Mexicans walk around Mexico in ponchos and a sombero then?

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By *inchyorksMan
over a year ago

huddersfield

Age is never an excuse, especially if you have lived though times where things have happened due to racism, Stephen Lawrence for example.

It is down to ignorance and and a lack of self education

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Genuinely curious, do Mexicans walk around Mexico in ponchos and a sombero then?"
no but they all sound like speedy Gonzales

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

Must brummies speak terrible English."

Oh right well that makes it ok then

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

Must brummies speak terrible English."
Brummy bashing

the outrage bus will be along very shortly

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I must admit I am very wary of communicating with anyone "of colour" just in case they think I'm being racist. "

Really?

But speaking to an East European would cause you no problems as they are white?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

It's a sad state of affairs indeed. Walk into social areas with the 80 plus ages and they question the ends of the earth about you. Regardless of ANY social norms. At her age a nice life of retirement should be ahead of her, rather than the shit show of media she has now attracted from her inappropriate comments. I do wonder why the royals keep staff active at such a late age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a sad state of affairs indeed. Walk into social areas with the 80 plus ages and they question the ends of the earth about you. Regardless of ANY social norms. At her age a nice life of retirement should be ahead of her, rather than the shit show of media she has now attracted from her inappropriate comments. I do wonder why the royals keep staff active at such a late age

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

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loyalty maybe perhaps she’s given 60 years of service and has done a fantastic job age is but a number

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

She was at a charity function not trolling the streets..she answered Britain born raised so to your question

Nothing wrong with asking what was wrong is not accepting an answer until it fills your racist assumption.!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

Must brummies speak terrible English.

Oh right well that makes it ok then

Just my observation of brummies & their creative dialect.

I didn’t condone.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Bloody hell previous generations would sometimes be let off. A words change from acceptable to racist happened when your 79 and you can't teach an old dog new tricks and all that.

But your thread reads like you want to know how long you have to wait until you can say the N word

It's not an age thing unfortunately

I've had younger white people ask me the same nonsense, and comment on how well I speak english despite the fact that I was born and raised I'm Brum and have a Brummy accent

Must brummies speak terrible English.Brummy bashing

the outrage bus will be along very shortly

I am frequently referred to as a yam yam by brummies, what’s good for the goose….

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

"From what I understand, having read more about what actually happened, this seems to be more of a case of someone playing the race card rather than an actual racist comment being made.

Apparently, the 82 year old lady who has been forced to resign asked a visiting dignatory who had attended in, shall we say, culturally significant attire, where she was from. That's it.

How is that racist.

How many people on here have been asked where they're from?

It's a general enquiry.

Most people, proud of their ancestry and heritage, would likely have simply answered the question.

In my opinion, anyone who gets offended by such a question has underlying racism issues of their own.

Race card hmm..

IT was out of order..And racist "

The fact that this even needs to be explained.

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By *iker and Mare!Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity. "

But she's not abroad. She's at home. Why should she feel like a genuine curiosity in her hometown?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?"

Ding ding we have a winner

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity.

But she's not abroad. She's at home. Why should she feel like a genuine curiosity in her hometown? "

She's Marlene Headley from Hackney, yes a Brit, yet she adopts an African name, wears African clothing. Fair enough, it's a free country. But wouldn't you be a tiny bit curious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?"

This is not what happened though is it?

Asking a person once where they're from is one thing but asking 7-8 times AFTER they've told you that they're British and implying that they're lying is not the a simple case of making conversation

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?"

The problem is she refused to accept the answer given.

There could never be an inclusive conversation because she's from here and so continuing to ask just makes things more and more awkward.

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity.

But she's not abroad. She's at home. Why should she feel like a genuine curiosity in her hometown?

She's Marlene Headley from Hackney, yes a Brit, yet she adopts an African name, wears African clothing. Fair enough, it's a free country. But wouldn't you be a tiny bit curious?"

I get that question all the time. I'll reply once. From London.

The conversation could have been... Oh, well I thought you were from... because of your outfit and the inclusive convo (quoting another poster) could have been about her clothes.

Instead, she decided to more than double down on the fact she couldn't possibly be British.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, you might be offended if you were a Nigerian and whoever was asking refused to believe it could be true because of your skin colour.

I do get your point, but I've lived and worked overseas and know how it feels to look 'different'. I always felt it was genuine curiosity.

But she's not abroad. She's at home. Why should she feel like a genuine curiosity in her hometown?

She's Marlene Headley from Hackney, yes a Brit, yet she adopts an African name, wears African clothing. Fair enough, it's a free country. But wouldn't you be a tiny bit curious?

I get that question all the time. I'll reply once. From London.

The conversation could have been... Oh, well I thought you were from... because of your outfit and the inclusive convo (quoting another poster) could have been about her clothes.

Instead, she decided to more than double down on the fact she couldn't possibly be British. "

From what I make make out her “outfit” seemed to be normal top, with a fairly large item of neck jewellery that I don’t know the name for, and a hair band that included colours that feature on a lot of African flags. All you lot making it she should be expecting questions for dressing like a Zulu with a fucking spear are beyond my comprehension

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?"

What part of our history will this destroy and how?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

What part of our history will this destroy and how?"

*Breath not held*

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

What part of our history will this destroy and how?"

The bit where we British built loads of cool, straight roads. And a lovely wall. And running water in villas. Splendid mosaics.

Not like those bloody Romans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racisum needs to stamped out , Simply treating someone differently because of colour, creed or faith is despicable. Anyone displaying such behaviour needs to be shamed and shunned in society regardless of age !!!!

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By *thfloorCouple
over a year ago

Hove

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

What part of our history will this destroy and how?"

The part where royal officials get to treat worthy contributors to society as second class citizens because they look like they came from a colony

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

What part of our history will this destroy and how?

The part where royal officials get to treat worthy contributors to society as second class citizens because they look like they came from a colony

Is nothing sacred? The world's gone mad.

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

We agree. Lol.

This is a total one sided witch hunt.

The old lady was asking someone dressed in african dress where she came from.

It was undoubtedly a question in a hope to have a inclusive conversation about a country that the old, well travelled, lady had probably been to.

This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?

What part of our history will this destroy and how?

The part where royal officials get to treat worthy contributors to society as second class citizens because they look like they came from a colony

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

" beyond my comprehension "

Not sure that Mousey is setting the bar very high here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought both parties come out badly from this story. Lady Hussey obviously not up to the role and crass at best in her wording. Fulani's media appearances border on ageist bullying and her charity seems like a grift. Neither come over as sympathetic characters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" beyond my comprehension

Not sure that Mousey is setting the bar very high here "

Keep up with the context free posts, I know I enjoy them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Basically, a question, poorly phrased, asked to a overly sensitive person.

This was never going to end well. "

It’s clueless remarks like this that shows just how ignorant some peeps really are...!

How can you say she was “overly sensitive”? I mean really, just how much should one person have to tolerate such blatant behaviour of discrimination? It was like she was being forced to address a series of questions, to a point of being interrogated...!

How on earth can you say “overly sensitive person”...!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

Lol. This discussion is absolutely fucked when you have people who will equate any push back on ignorance to "destroying history".

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By *asterR and slut mayaMan
over a year ago

Bradford

This woman got dredlocks dresses in African clothes .so an 83 year old woman asks her about heratage .

She then says im born here and gets pissed off because the old woman can't work it out .

The press jump on called it racist . it now trying to bring William and Kate into .

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By *ackbydemandMan
over a year ago

Leicester

She said what part of Africa are you from.

And we have black people born in the UK for generations.

I don't care if she's in her 80s, it's racist.

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By *iker and Mare!Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

You lot (mostly) remind one of these angry villages with burning torches on a witch hunt. Lol.

You've only heard one-side of an alleged conversation.

The only facts are....

It was an old, unpaid, lady, trying to make conversation.

God sake there were no crosses burned on the Mall. Haha.

Please put down your pitchforks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This woman got dredlocks dresses in African clothes .so an 83 year old woman asks her about heratage .

She then says im born here and gets pissed off because the old woman can't work it out .

The press jump on called it racist . it now trying to bring William and Kate into ."

manner in question asked was "what nationality are you?", "where do your people come from?" ...

hence the apology followed by resignation...!

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"This person is now going to make this "racist outrage" her new career.

It will destroy another part of our great history, because we will let it.

However, was this a charity for only black people?

If so, why would the palace even be inviting a racist charity?"

I’d call you a clown, but that would be unfair to actual clowns.

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By *asterR and slut mayaMan
over a year ago

Bradford

"She said what part of Africa are you from.

And we have black people born in the UK for generations.

I don't care if she's in her 80s, it's racist."

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
over a year ago

Border of London

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

Not sure, it might be younger... How old is Kanye West again?

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By *amieLDN22Man
over a year ago

London

I think "what is your nationality" was the question everyone missed. After she was told where the person is from. This was peak profiling.

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

"Racism shouldn’t be tolerated simply because of someone’s age or the generation they grew up in. "

Agree with this but it’s very much an attitude of most that it’s down to someone’s age and not worth educating them that it’s wrong.

I’ve noticed my kids are more open talking about it with us. When I was younger you’d never dream about telling parents etc that they were using a racist term

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"She said what part of Africa are you from.

And we have black people born in the UK for generations.

I don't care if she's in her 80s, it's racist.

That's your view the old woman present by what appeared to be an African woman in tradition clothing in those cercumstance asks a fair question equireing where she came from .its not racist to do that . the woman complaining got her own agenda "
to ask once "where are you from " and receive an answer is perfectly normal to persist with asking the same question over and over because you are not getting the answer that you want or expect is not .would she have asked the same question of a white female dressed in traditional welsh costume ? would she have then persisted having not received the answer she wanted or expected ? i actually think it was less about race and more to do with class and power i am better than you ad am going to belittle you with words .

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I don't think this was blatant racism. I think all she was asking was where did her ancestors originate from, and she was genuinely interested.

Admittedly, she could of put it better!

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By *atfuckerbristolMan
over a year ago

Wells

I’ve seen attitudes to race, gender and sexuality change a huge amount in my lifetime. Because of this, I don’t always get it right and sometimes say the wrong thing. I can’t imagine being an octogenarian who has lived a life of relative privilege - but I suspect the woman in question has been insulated from most of the change I’ve seen and more.

That’s not an excuse for racism - or for persisting in a line of questioning when it’s clearly making someone uncomfortable. But if we make it harder to talk about race and to be curious about people’s heritage, then the concept of an equal and open society gets further away from us.

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By *allguynowMan
over a year ago

durham

Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper. "

This needs to go on the Conspiracy Theories thread

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By *dward_TeagueMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

"I don't think this was blatant racism. I think all she was asking was where did her ancestors originate from, and she was genuinely interested.

Admittedly, she could of put it better! "

Would she have asked a Caucasian person the same question?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Hmmm i see the mobo awards were last night!! Very diverse ?? imagine if there was a mowo awards!!! Just saying"

.................................

There have been white winners of MOBO awards.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper. "

................. .. ....

It would have been easy for the palace to rebut the allegation if the account wasn't true, the conversation took place in front of many people.

Besides which it's not unusual for white people to interrogate black ones about their heritage.

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By *old HoopsWoman
over a year ago

Near Chester

"I’ve seen attitudes to race, gender and sexuality change a huge amount in my lifetime. Because of this, I don’t always get it right and sometimes say the wrong thing. I can’t imagine being an octogenarian who has lived a life of relative privilege - but I suspect the woman in question has been insulated from most of the change I’ve seen and more.

It's not harder to talk about race if done with respect. Like you said, persisting in a line of questioning which is clearly uncomfortable is wrong. Let's not conflate the two things because they aren't the same.

I live in a small town in North Wales and I'm happy to chat about my heritage if asked respectfully.

Two examples, both in my Tesco

1. Someone asked me about my heritage and asked me if I knew how to make a dish and if they are buying the right ingredients.

2. Someone walked up to me and asked me if the pineapple they were buying was ripe and when I said I didn't know, insisted that I must know because of "where I'm from".

See the difference?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Pretty much agree but it's about tone & context. Hussey was given an answer and pressed for further information, and still was unhappy with the response and touching the woman's hair, thats's just plain rude.

Ironically, Hussey might not have liked the fulsome response-that Fulani's true heritage was unknown because her ancestors were removed and displaced by merchants from the British Empire who traded in human misery!

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

So the elderly woman thought it would be a really good day to very publicly demonstrate her racism, or did she unknowingly demonstrate her ignorance?

I would advise anyone going to meet them should be prepared to be spoken down to and if it's likely to offend, decline any invitations, as I have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the elderly woman thought it would be a really good day to very publicly demonstrate her racism, or did she unknowingly demonstrate her ignorance?

I would advise anyone going to meet them should be prepared to be spoken down to and if it's likely to offend, decline any invitations, as I have done. "

Probably the latter but still offensive either way

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"At what age should blatant racism be excused and forgiven? 50? 60? 70 or 80? # SusanHussey

It should never be excused. We can always learn, and it should always be called out. I work in a customer facing role. I once had a queue and was serving a young middle-eastern lad. 2 older women behind him were audibly making comments about why he shouldn't be in the country. I called them out on it. Had I not, the perception from others may have been that I agreed with them. One complaint could have cost me my job. They tried to go on about an expectation of respect from younger people and I shot that down as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This woman got dredlocks dresses in African clothes .so an 83 year old woman asks her about heratage .

She then says im born here and gets pissed off because the old woman can't work it out .

The press jump on called it racist . it now trying to bring William and Kate into ."

She asked 7 further times after she was told that the woman was British

It's not as simple as "she was asked where she was from and the woman got pissed off"

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"This woman got dredlocks dresses in African clothes .so an 83 year old woman asks her about heratage .

She then says im born here and gets pissed off because the old woman can't work it out .

The press jump on called it racist . it now trying to bring William and Kate into .

She asked 7 further times after she was told that the woman was British

It's not as simple as "she was asked where she was from and the woman got pissed off"

What has what she's wearing got to do with anything? The woman also thought it acceptable to touch her hair. In any other world where you meet a stranger, would it be acceptable for someone to be so overly invasive? Absolutely not.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper. "

How was she "done up"? She literally is the only one who controls what comes out of her mouth!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only a story because of the media, the gutter press should I say

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper.

How was she "done up"? She literally is the only one who controls what comes out of her mouth!"

Exactly. When accusations came from Meghan AND Harry, they said the comments came from someone that would cause great damage to the RF. This woman isn't far up in the line of succession. Most people wouldn't have known who she was up until this week, so that people are suggesting some daft conspiracy is ridiculous.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Her real name is marlene headley, a close associate of meghan markle and a black activist. This old woman has been done up like a kipper. "

Can you expand on her bring a close associate of Markle? And what her activism entail

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"This woman got dredlocks dresses in African clothes .so an 83 year old woman asks her about heratage .

She then says im born here and gets pissed off because the old woman can't work it out .

The press jump on called it racist . it now trying to bring William and Kate into .

She asked 7 further times after she was told that the woman was British

It's not as simple as "she was asked where she was from and the woman got pissed off"

Yup

If the situation is as she described (and there were witnesses), I feel very sorry for her.

I don’t know how old she is, but I guarantee you she’s tired of hearing similar comments all her life.

In itself, that comment might not seem particularly important, but it’s the cumulative affect of them.

I’m in no way saying it’s equivalent, but I do feel I have a small insight into what it’s like. I spent 50 years hearing people say “why do you speak a dead language?” and, on occasions “why are you speaking in Welsh?” etc. In itself, each incident wasn’t huge, but after many years of just brushing it off, the dam broke and I started calling it out and explaning the real truths.

It’s…….wearing identity challenged.

(Just to stress - plenty of those comments have been from Welsh people, this isn’t aimed at the English, more at ignorance generally)!

I have been involved in situations where I think anti-racism campaigners have got things pretty wrong. I don’t feel this is one right now.

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"So the elderly woman thought it would be a really good day to very publicly demonstrate her racism, or did she unknowingly demonstrate her ignorance?

I would advise anyone going to meet them should be prepared to be spoken down to and if it's likely to offend, decline any invitations, as I have done.

Probably the latter but still offensive either way "

Agreed, but she proudly wore African dress, then chose to be offended when questioned on her descendency.

She could have looked a little beyond the superficial question and expanded her answer to include her African heritage - instead, she chose to be offended because she immediately assumed the woman was being racist rather than dumb.

But as I said before, if you walk into the epitome of British Colonialism and think that they'll consider you to be on equal terms with them, think again, and that has nothing to do with race, they think they're above us all.

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