FabSwingers.com forum: Sexist pricing......

By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I believe there's a loophole for private clubs that allow them to do it. It's pretty standard practice

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

It's always been like this.

.. even in nightclubs years ago it was free for girls, the boys had to pay.

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By *eeliciouschaosWoman
over a year ago

Wherever

Supply and demand.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "
They don't need men theirs enough of them available so if you come and can get in they charge double to try and out the not so desirables but it doesn't work so they do that on the door, it's not fair but they can do it so they do

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By *ull English with teaMan
over a year ago

London

It’s easily got around if you turn up wearing a wig…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

£60 each. Women get a discount as there are far less single ladies on the Swinging scene and the club wants to encourage them, to enable there to be a reasonable mix of males and females present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

It's acceptable because it's the law, private members club.

No it's no sue-able.

Winston

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I personally don't agree with it. I think the prices should be the same.But as I don't go to clubs I suppose what I think doesn't really matter. Clubs will continue to do it as long as men are willing to pay the extra money to attend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is what it is. More men = less need to let them in and on top of that they need to make sure the ratio is good so couples and women aren't overwhelmed by single guys. It's shit, but I get it

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

More women will draw in more men and couples.

More single men than single women and couples will push people away (in the main).

Ever seen the “chain gangs” at clubs that don’t operate this rule? Lines of men following women and couples around, not a very “relaxed” environment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have touched on the legal parts.

But how many aggreived fellas would be happy turning up to a club and finding it's 90pc blokes?

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

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By *eff4000Man
over a year ago

Camberley

"Supply and demand."

Exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

What about couples prices and you sure it’s not special event prices above?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's so that the men who pay actually have a chance of seeing more women there.

Same prices - less females likely to go. Less females - less men likely to go. Men are just more desperate and willing to fork cash over generally to see some titayyys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job ……."

That's debatable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't get that many single ladies in clubs as it is.

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By *ansexualPandaMan
over a year ago

cumallover

It's a way of trying to stop it from being a sausagefest. You only have to look at the ratio of guys to everyone else on here to know that if a club charged the same price for single guys as everyone else, there would be far too many single straight guys.

I share the pain though, as single-male pricing is the thing that keeps me away from such clubs. Though, I do understand why they do it.

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By *iss_Juicy79Woman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Not just swinging clubs

Decathlon ate guilty of it 2 pairs of sunglasses almost identical they wanted an extra tenner for the woman's pair

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable. "

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. .

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Kink events tend not to use gender pricing structures and are held in swinging clubs.

You may not get much action, but depends what you are after

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. ."

I beg to differ.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Chichester

"More women will draw in more men and couples.

More single men than single women and couples will push people away (in the main).

Ever seen the “chain gangs” at clubs that don’t operate this rule? Lines of men following women and couples around, not a very “relaxed” environment "

I have seen this a few times in clubs over the years .. usually those clubs dont last long or end up having to use party girls paid to bring in revenue .

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By *iss KinkWoman
over a year ago

North West

I think men and couples should be the same price. £60 is ridiclious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think men and couples should be the same price. £60 is ridiclious "

That pricing seems about right to me.

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By *aidbacklover2021Man
over a year ago

perth

Just you identify as being a woman lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie

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By *eeliciouschaosWoman
over a year ago

Wherever

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie "

I was just literally writing very similar comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Kink events tend not to use gender pricing structures and are held in swinging clubs.

You may not get much action, but depends what you are after

Ain’t nobody like a swing party

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Is it sueable?

No.

There are rules that allow for differential pricing to encourage what are classed as minority groups to attend that otherwise wouldn't. Single women are that group. Its in the small print in the Equality Act.

Is it fair? No. Is it needed? Sadly yes.

You can't have equal pricing and just replace the price difference with controlled ratios. How would you do that? First come first served (no pun intended)? What if the first to book in were the kind of guys that follow folk around, have no comprehension of how to behave? What if they don’t turn up thus preventing others from entering?

If prices were lowered and more men attended it would result in similar ratios of men to couples and women seen on here. Because unfortunately some would see clubs as a cheap alternative to knocking shops. Less women would attend. Less couples may attend. Soon Less men would attend and then clubs would shut.

It's not an ideal situation by any means and commonly perceived as unfair.

But it enables clubs to stay open and provide the service they do.

Given how much a ticket for a football match, a gig, or just the cost of a weekend night on the town, is it really that expensive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£30 is a high price for women. Probably still go to draw comparisons with NW clubs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job ……."

Of course not, we live in a fair and just society, right. Right?

Also:

In 2022, the gap among full-time employees increased to 8.3%, up from 7.7% in 2021. Among all employees, the gender pay gap decreased to 14.9%, from 15.1% in 2021, but is still below the levels seen in 2019 (17.4%). Source: Office of National Statistics

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Chichester

"£30 is a high price for women. Probably still go to draw comparisons with NW clubs "

I would pay 50/60 pounds for a ticket if the venue was outstanding finish, high quality decor/layout / location ... as many swing clubs just seem like cheap looking tacky venues its not my vibe ...

Used to pay way more than that before I transition to attend some more exclusive venues that were limited in number and held in very nice places with strict dress codes ...

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By *ickshawedCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?"

Well, yeah, because it's MEN that are being affected, duh!*

(*yes, sarcasm!)

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Of course not, we live in a fair and just society, right. Right?

Also:

It always amuse me that equity on swinging club admissio prices is seemingly the only Equality issue that so many men are most passionate about!

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Chichester

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Of course not, we live in a fair and just society, right. Right?

Also:

It always amuse me that equity on swinging club admissio prices is seemingly the only Equality issue that so many men are most passionate about!"

Oh dont many men rant on forums about what female/trans women porn models get paid vs male models as well

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie "

Must be hellishly expensive in comparison to absolute bargains in false nails and eyelashes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?"

£12 for my hair cut

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie

Must be hellishly expensive in comparison to absolute bargains in false nails and eyelashes!"

Weirdly though, there's no choice to have a womb (practically), but there strangely is one to have false nails, and not all woman do by a long chalk. We could easily be silly and cost up razors for me, but we don't need to shave. Far better to accept that there are aspects on both (all) sides of the fence that are more or less fair to a particular gender, but that overall men get it better, and straight white men play life on the easiest difficulty level. So if a club is more for guys, who suck it up or don't go.

Had this exact conversation with my FWB the other day, making a joke about me subsidising her entertainment, and her response was "We are the entertainment", which is so true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?

£12 for my hair cut "

You're being rob bed, £8 here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?

£12 for my hair cut

You're being rob bed, £8 here..."

In fairness I do actually pay the same as my husband for my haircut.

We have a lovely lady that comes to the house and she charges the same price for men and women. That's for a wet cut, If I wanted it blow drying it would cost more.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Of course not, we live in a fair and just society, right. Right?

Also:

It always amuse me that equity on swinging club admissio prices is seemingly the only Equality issue that so many men are most passionate about!"

Right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?

£12 for my hair cut

You're being rob bed, £8 here..."

Could start a thread on this. City centre hair and beard is £20 +

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

It is a huge difference I don't quite agree, however if I was to attend a club and it was full of single males I wouldn't return so I kinda see why they want to limit it, but they could do that with just select numbers.

Mrs

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is it any worse than women having to pay more than men for haircuts?

£12 for my hair cut

You're being rob bed, £8 here...

Could start a thread on this. City centre hair and beard is £20 + "

Out of city centre, from £45.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is a huge difference I don't quite agree, however if I was to attend a club and it was full of single males I wouldn't return so I kinda see why they want to limit it, but they could do that with just select numbers.

Mrs "

Every club I have ever been to men have heavily out with the number of women. I would not pay £60 to go to a club but lots of men do. The prices if they were made equal would not come down for men they would just go up for women meaning they would less likely go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are you all getting your haircuts? I live in London and pay £15.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"It’s easily got around if you turn up wearing a wig…"
lol and high heels and a lazzy band around your nuts

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Mrs

Yes I see your point, that's why I thought maybe having a select number of men's places per event maybe a better idea than over charging them.

Mrs

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

I'm happy with the pricing system because I get a discount for being over 60... (I wish).

My take on this is; they can charge what they want and I can choose whether or not to pay it. Also, I set my self an annual budget for clubs, so if the club that I go to most reduced it's prices, I'd go more but they wouldn't make any more money out of me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs

Yes I see your point, that's why I thought maybe having a select number of men's places per event maybe a better idea than over charging them.

Mrs "

Then how do the clubs make their money? I don't believe men are being overcharged. The price is clear People can choose to pay or not and the point is men choose to pay it.

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By *ister_ee_1981Man
over a year ago

Sunniest Exeter...

"Supply and demand."

This basically. Men need to realise that as long as there is a healthy supply and not much demand, this will always happen. Just imagine that men stopped going... Imagine the knock on effect. Imagine going to a greedy girls night and getting in free because the club is desparate to get men to go...

Just because it's one sided at the moment doesn't mean it will away ve that way. The rules of supply and demand are flexible. If supply dries up, demand will increase....

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

Couples also get in cheaper than single men OP; maybe next time you're at a club, paying to get in and there's a single man in the queue, you could split the difference... solidarity and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Couples also get in cheaper than single men OP; maybe next time you're at a club, paying to get in and there's a single man in the queue, you could split the difference... solidarity and all that.

The irony is the OP is a couple.

I noticed the fact couples also get in for a cheaper price than men wasn't mentioned.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. ."
I theory the pay gap is supposed to have closed... reality is a lot different

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Couples also get in cheaper than single men OP; maybe next time you're at a club, paying to get in and there's a single man in the queue, you could split the difference... solidarity and all that.

The irony is the OP is a couple.

I noticed the fact couples also get in for a cheaper price than men wasn't mentioned. "

Yes, I'd not missed the irony of this either....

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie "

Buy men's razors. Literally the only difference is the colour. A blade is a blade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It costs a heck more to be a well groomed woman, so are we going for equitable costs of going to a club? Or just entry fee equality.

Have it split even, women can not bother going & men can just pay peanuts to play with other men.

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By *eard and TattsCouple
over a year ago

Cwmbran

Fucking right

Over saturation of men in clubs is a thing and increasing prices helps deter them.

I endorse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie

Buy men's razors. Literally the only difference is the colour. A blade is a blade."

I do this now, they actually contour better too.

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job ……."

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

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By *eard and TattsCouple
over a year ago

Cwmbran

"People have touched on the legal parts.

But how many aggreived fellas would be happy turning up to a club and finding it's 90pc blokes?

Loads if they're gay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. . I theory the pay gap is supposed to have closed... reality is a lot different "

Without derailing the thread, but I guess I did bring this up, the reality is that it's closing at younger age groups, so in a few decades as those age groups age, it should filter through. It about 8% overall, but on some age groups it's only 3% (but by that token, over 13% in older ones....). Either way, we can't deny it's real, and that's not me whiteknighting

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. .

I beg to differ. "

You can beg all you want , doesn’t make it true .

Suggest a job where women get paid less than men for doing the same job ?

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

I can't believe the narrow minded people on here, that claim equality is an important aspiration, then go on to defend sexist standards.

I doesn't bother me personally but I hate to see the injustice for anyone, and that men are just supposed to suffer quietly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

Except I gave actual government statistics from this year and didn't shut up. And I could give examples also. Last time I did a job that also had a woman doing a comparable role, I earned more than she did by around £7000. We were in the same 10 year age bracket too.

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. . I theory the pay gap is supposed to have closed... reality is a lot different

Earning gap and pay gap are two very different things .

A male nurse and a female nurse get paid the same , for the same job , same with train driver , bus driver , warehouse assistant , police constable etc etc .

Earnings over a career might differ by a few percent because of career breaks for having children etc .

But there is no pay gap .

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

There are lies , damn lies and then there are statistics …….

Whitenight away , might even get you laid !

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

I beg to differ.

You can beg all you want , doesn’t make it true .

Suggest a job where women get paid less than men for doing the same job ? "

Of course they can't.

It's just lies and self victimisation.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie

Buy men's razors. Literally the only difference is the colour. A blade is a blade.

I do this now, they actually contour better too.

Same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe the narrow minded people on here, that claim equality is an important aspiration, then go on to defend sexist standards.

I doesn't bother me personally but I hate to see the injustice for anyone, and that men are just supposed to suffer quietly."

There's a great carton that I can't really show or link too, but it's entitles Equity versus Equality.

It's 3 people trying to watch a baseball game over a fence. The three people are different heights, one really short, one really tall etc. Equality was giving everyone a box to stand on meaning the small guy still couldn't see over, but the tall guy who could anyway just got to see even better. Equity was giving the tall mans box to the smaller guy, so all three could see over. Hard to describe in words, but equality isn't always treating everyone exactly the same. I don't want a knee replacement just because my nanna had one and I'm jealous.

Equality - everyone gets the box

Equity - The boxes are shared out fairly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

There are lies , damn lies and then there are statistics …….

Whitenight away , might even get you laid ! "

If arguing facts against opinions got me laid, I'd be sick of getting laid

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

Earning gap and pay gap are two very different things .

A male nurse and a female nurse get paid the same , for the same job , same with train driver , bus driver , warehouse assistant , police constable etc etc .

Earnings over a career might differ by a few percent because of career breaks for having children etc .

But there is no pay gap ."

Exactly this.

Men, on average, work for longer and in more difficult/dangerous jobs.

This equals slightly different lifetime earnings....

That doesn't mean women get paid less for same work and hours.

Can we bury this red herring and move on now.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. . I theory the pay gap is supposed to have closed... reality is a lot different

Earning gap and pay gap are two very different things .

A male nurse and a female nurse get paid the same , for the same job , same with train driver , bus driver , warehouse assistant , police constable etc etc .

Earnings over a career might differ by a few percent because of career breaks for having children etc .

But there is no pay gap ."

That's just wishful thinking. Earning Gap is not an official thing is is just trying to justify earning more by saying women need to make babies.

"The gender pay gap is calculated as the difference between average hourly earnings (excluding overtime) of men and women as a proportion of men’s average hourly earnings (excluding overtime). It is a measure across all jobs in the UK, not of the difference in pay between men and women for doing the same job." Verbatim quote from the same page as the stats, direct from the ONS. Inarguable.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It's always been like this.

.. even in nightclubs years ago it was free for girls, the boys had to pay. "

What happens if the boys identify as girls?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can someone pm me the name of this club please and thanks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To the haircut chat - I pay £20!

Not complaining though, it's glorious (waves hair)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. ."

Well according to the office for national statistics you're wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's to balance out all the extra money we pay in pink tax for shit like razors and tampons.

Evie

Buy men's razors. Literally the only difference is the colour. A blade is a blade."

Same goes for pink toys, you can have exactly the same product but the pink one will generally be more expensive then the "boys" version

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. .

Well according to the office for national statistics you're wrong "

According to the BBC they are also wrong....

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over a year ago

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It makes sense as it limits the numbers of single guys in clubs whilst encouraging women and couples to go.

Us Tgirls usually sit somewhere in the middle, at the Attic we go in for the couple's price.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. .

Well according to the office for national statistics you're wrong

According to the BBC they are also wrong...."

But if a female BBC presenter (one that gets paid less than their male counterparts) was to attend to a swingers club, they'd still be earning far more than me; should we all be Means-Tested? With a clubs entrance fee been adjusted for your income?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

It's acceptable because it's the law, private members club.

No it's no sue-able.

Winston "

Is it really the law still? . I recall the Lib Dems pushed forward an act to prohibit gender based Pricing a few years ago

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

And this is why I’m not keen on clubs

The sexist double standards are ridiculous

but there are guys willing to pay so, I don’t see this changing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men, on average, work for longer and in more difficult/dangerous jobs.

This equals slightly different lifetime earnings....

That doesn't mean women get paid less for same work and hours.

Can we bury this red herring and move on now.?

We're talking average hourly pay for those currently working in this most recent year not lifetime earnings over several decades.

The top 10 companies with the highest pay gap include 6 banks. Where are the dangerous jobs in banking? Let's assume that the difference between the 40.2% higher pay men get at Lloyds Bank is because the men do different roles, women sit and look pretty on the high street, men wear suits and are important in meetings doing management. This may not be a pay gap issue because they are performing different roles, but it still a sexism issue is women can't get the higher paid jobs to compare.

Also in the top 10, JD Wetherspoon (how surprising). 22.8% higher pay for men. Let's apply the same logic, in what way can men earn more unless they are the only ones doing the better jobs? one quick google "In this organisation, women occupy 29% of the highest paid jobs and 67% of the lowest paid jobs - shock horror

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's acceptable because it's the law, private members club.

No it's no sue-able.

Winston

Is it really the law still? . I recall the Lib Dems pushed forward an act to prohibit gender based Pricing a few years ago "

I think they did, but I think there is a difference between products and services in play. Hard to be sure. But then recently a clothing chain got into (public, not legal) trouble for charging more money for larger sized items of clothing - it's a minefield, huh....

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Men, on average, work for longer and in more difficult/dangerous jobs.

This equals slightly different lifetime earnings....

That doesn't mean women get paid less for same work and hours.

Can we bury this red herring and move on now.?

We're talking average hourly pay for those currently working in this most recent year not lifetime earnings over several decades.

It’s a huge problem if you think it’s bad in the uk look at west Africa, it’s horrific. The women just don’t push like the men, other than at school where they do better. But from 21 they avoid the fighting that gets you into the top jobs.

Although east Africa is leading the way, Rwanda is the most gender equal country in the world now with a ministry of gender statistics & laws requiring at least 50% of Judges be female and very high numbers of female CFO’s which has shown to reduce corruption & increase GDP. But it took a genocide to get there …

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "
don't let it bother you don't go hope they close down down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The dark side to this, is when some single men, expect sex, because they’ve paid more to get in.

I’ve seen some complain in person and also write negative reviews, because they didn’t get their dick wet.

Don’t want to pay? Don’t go!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not going to change any time soon so if it's an issue then don't go

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The dark side to this, is when some single men, expect sex, because they’ve paid more to get in.

This is definitely true

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The moral of the story is don't go to clubs, and don't pay because, in reality, you won't get what you wanted anyway. Then, eventually, if sufficient men do that, the supply/demand will rebalance the cost.

Having said that the majority of forum posts advising unsucessful guys on Fab suggest "Try a club" so nothing will change any time soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because if it's too low for single males too many will turn up and it'll be a sausage fest.

They want more single women to come in the doors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

Would you like several all of which happened in the court recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

That's debatable.

Not really .

Certainly not in the U.K. .

I beg to differ.

You can beg all you want , doesn’t make it true .

Suggest a job where women get paid less than men for doing the same job ? "

2 female bcc staff have recently had their claims that they were being paid less than male colleagues in a coublin rolls up held. Predominantly Female Asda checkout employees had their case uphold when their Predominantly male colleagues in the warehouse were getting paid more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read this as sexiest pricing, and was expecting to see something like £69, or £80.08 etc.

Oh well OP, just thing of all the other sexist stuff like earning more than women for the same job which helps pay the extra entrance fee

Except women don’t earn less than men for the same job …….

Exactly. Some (most) people are totally brain washed into repeating this lie like a parrot, but when you ask for an example they soon shut up.

There are lies , damn lies and then there are statistics …….

Whitenight away , might even get you laid ! "

So because it doesn't follow your narrative it cannot be true?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The moral of the story is don't go to clubs, and don't pay because, in reality, you won't get what you wanted anyway. Then, eventually, if sufficient men do that, the supply/demand will rebalance the cost.

Having said that the majority of forum posts advising unsucessful guys on Fab suggest "Try a club" so nothing will change any time soon.

On a average club night how many single women do you think there are compared to single men even at these prices?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand."

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example. "

Because it is a human right to get paid the same as someone else for doing the same job. It is not a human right The same to get into a swingers Club One is essential and the other is not. One affects quality of life the other does not would you like me to go on...

Not even remotely comparable.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just been reminded of another example where women do not get paid the same as men for the same job. Professional football players.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

You and others are missing the point. Even with women being half price there are usually at least double the amount of men. If the price got brought down for men There would still be the same amount of women but triple the amount of men at least. If women's prices got brought up to the same as men's even less women would go. I would pay £30 to get into a club I would not pay £60

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable. "

2.5mins, we’re getting quicker

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple
over a year ago

london

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reminded of another example where women do not get paid the same as men for the same job. Professional football players. "

Please, expand. Why should a female footballer be paid the same as their male counterparts?

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple
over a year ago

london

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

2.5mins, we’re getting quicker

I didn't think you would have anything a value to add to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reminded of another example where women do not get paid the same as men for the same job. Professional football players.

Please, expand. Why should a female footballer be paid the same as their male counterparts?"

Why should a woman pay the same to get into a club as a man?

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

If everyone was charged the same, men would badly out number the women which I don't think you would like either.

But yes it's unfair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

You mean in the same way it's a man's choice to pay double the amount of a woman to get into a club?

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

I thought the whole point of this thread was to answer the question: is it sexiest to have a pricing policy that differs according to a person's sex and if so can/should establishments that do this be sued?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

The answer is no it's not sexist and if we're going to go down that route don't expect people to not give answers for other things that are sexist.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable. "

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

The difference in earnings being thrown around by the usual suspects is on average males earn more because they’re in roles that pay more. If a female was in the same role, they too would be paid the same.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

We will no doubt have people complain that the jobs that are paying females less, should be paying more. It is demand and supply, like you or someone else said, which brings us to everyone has choice.

The outliers, roles have a banding upper and lower, a male can be at the upper due to length of time or performance but the banding is available to all. This probably were the story of a poster who claims he was getting 7k more for doing the same job comes from. Or something very close to this example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

So it's funny isn't it's OK for women to be paid less but it's not OK for men to pay more to get into a club. Seems to be the general consensus by some and again the usual suspects. Very vocal when it affects men not so much when it affects women.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

If you changed that pricing structure clubs would be full of men and no women and couples

It’s done for a reason and it has worked well for decades

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple
over a year ago

london

"There are not many more 'occassions' in life when I feel that women are seen as no more than two bit whores.... and men as idiots..

Like........ Which woman NEVER wanted to go to a sex club but went cos it was half price ? ......

You have a choice,pay or not,what is the problem,no one is forcing you,

As for the legal side of things,I'm not sure how that stands

You mean in the same way it's a man's choice to pay double the amount of a woman to get into a club? "

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

I’ve not mentioned if males should pay more or less to get into a club. I have however given a reply to your posts that had incorrect information in them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

Some are just vocal full stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

Some are just vocal full stop. "

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reminded of another example where women do not get paid the same as men for the same job. Professional football players.

Please, expand. Why should a female footballer be paid the same as their male counterparts?

Why should a woman pay the same to get into a club as a man? "

Please answer the question I asked not the one you thought I asked

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "
but if you identify as a female do you get in for £30? What about all the other sexes how much is it for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? but if you identify as a female do you get in for £30? What about all the other sexes how much is it for them? "

Tv/TS Normally pay the same price as single women or couples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe the narrow minded people on here, that claim equality is an important aspiration, then go on to defend sexist standards.

I doesn't bother me personally but I hate to see the injustice for anyone, and that men are just supposed to suffer quietly.

There's a great carton that I can't really show or link too, but it's entitles Equity versus Equality.

Equality - everyone gets the box

Equity - The boxes are shared out fairly

http://i2.wp.com/interactioninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IISC_EqualityEquity.png?zoom=2&resize=730%2C547"
in this example, pay is the view outcome. Equal opportunities doesn't mean equal outcomes. Not everyone wants to watch baseball.

(There is some irony these cartoons rely on watching sports which doesn't offer leg ups)

I'm not going to get involved suffice to say compares medians is not a great way of analysing data. Is says nothing about like for like jobs)

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? but if you identify as a female do you get in for £30? What about all the other sexes how much is it for them?

Tv/TS Normally pay the same price as single women or couples. "
do this pricing structure is in effect illegal then but I doubt anyone really wants to take anyone to court over £30

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? but if you identify as a female do you get in for £30? What about all the other sexes how much is it for them?

Tv/TS Normally pay the same price as single women or couples. do this pricing structure is in effect illegal then but I doubt anyone really wants to take anyone to court over £30"

It's not illegal at all in the same way travel companies will often charge a surcharge for single travellers. Is it agaist the law that students get discounts as well as OAP's?.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? but if you identify as a female do you get in for £30? What about all the other sexes how much is it for them?

Tv/TS Normally pay the same price as single women or couples. do this pricing structure is in effect illegal then but I doubt anyone really wants to take anyone to court over £30

It's not illegal at all in the same way travel companies will often charge a surcharge for single travellers. Is it agaist the law that students get discounts as well as OAP's?. "
but discriminate between a man and a women is in fact and quite rightly so and should be challenged at all levels. I for one have always just chosen not to go places that do so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

Why do women moan when they’re not getting paid the same as men then using this analogy? Let’s use sport as one example.

Not even remotely comparable.

It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female.

If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

Some are just vocal full stop. "

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

.............................

Would you visit a club that was full of men?

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Chichester

"It's not going to change any time soon so if it's an issue then don't go "

Men just have to suck it up and pay up , or don't go , it's not hard ultimately . life isnt always fair with costs of things ..thats how it rolls . personally 60 quid for a night out isnt bad especially with a fairly good odds of getting laid thrown in ...

Swinging clubs are a luxury not a right or essential product ..

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple
over a year ago

london

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over a year ago

london

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, it appears that they are, in fact, breaking the law.

I've just looked up the 2010 Equality act.

Under the section for Private Members clubs it says :

It is unlawful for a private club or other association

to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing

or potential member or an associate. (An associate

is someone who is not a member but who has

some or all of the rights of a member because they

are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club

cannot refuse membership, or grant membership

on less favourable terms (such as by applying

different conditions or fees) because the person

has a protected characteristic – disability, gender

reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion

or belief, sex or sexual orientation.

We all understand WHY they charge men more and what would happen if they charged everyone the same. I am only posting this for the sake of factual accuracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

If you changed that pricing structure clubs would be full of men and no women and couples

It’s done for a reason and it has worked well for decades

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it "

If I’m paying £60 to party with you and your friends drinks are on me

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By *eyond PurityCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Yeah it does come at a disadvantage as some guys then expect to get their dick wet as they’ve paid so much more.

Not sure what the answer is otherwise though as if it was the same price for all then single women probably wouldn’t go and clubs will be pointless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the equality is equality of experience not of cost.

Men want to be the only dick in a room full of half naked women - this achieves that.

Women don't want to be surrounded by a sausage fest - this achieves that.

Notwithstanding my previous comments on equality more generally, frankly this is unlawful discrimination, this is a decent guide that uses this specific example:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/discrimination-because-of-sex-or-sexual-orientation/discrimination-because-of-sex/

However getting something done about it is likely to fall on equally deaf ears as when women do the same re: my previous comments on equality. We all have so suck something up, the fair society is an ideal not a reality, the question is, is paying more to get into a sex club the hill you want to die on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually, it appears that they are, in fact, breaking the law.

I've just looked up the 2010 Equality act.

Under the section for Private Members clubs it says :

It is unlawful for a private club or other association

to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing

or potential member or an associate. (An associate

is someone who is not a member but who has

some or all of the rights of a member because they

are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club

cannot refuse membership, or grant membership

on less favourable terms (such as by applying

different conditions or fees) because the person

has a protected characteristic – disability, gender

reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion

or belief, sex or sexual orientation.

We all understand WHY they charge men more and what would happen if they charged everyone the same. I am only posting this for the sake of factual accuracy.

In that case men only clubs and societies are against the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of clubs also charge less for couples then single men but nobody seems bothered about that.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london

"It’s easily got around if you turn up wearing a wig…"

Tried that but the deep voice and full on beard gave me away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually, it appears that they are, in fact, breaking the law.

I've just looked up the 2010 Equality act.

Under the section for Private Members clubs it says :

It is unlawful for a private club or other association

to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing

or potential member or an associate. (An associate

is someone who is not a member but who has

some or all of the rights of a member because they

are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club

cannot refuse membership, or grant membership

on less favourable terms (such as by applying

different conditions or fees) because the person

has a protected characteristic – disability, gender

reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion

or belief, sex or sexual orientation.

We all understand WHY they charge men more and what would happen if they charged everyone the same. I am only posting this for the sake of factual accuracy.

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Men, on average, work for longer and in more difficult/dangerous jobs.

This equals slightly different lifetime earnings....

That doesn't mean women get paid less for same work and hours.

Can we bury this red herring and move on now.?

We're talking average hourly pay for those currently working in this most recent year not lifetime earnings over several decades.

Have you ever thought that maybe because in general, men and women have different priorities?

Men have a lot of pressure to provide .

Many women want to have children , so career progresses is slower for them.

The truth is , there are more men that want to do those jobs and make the sacrifices required .

Equality is nothing to do with how many people of each sex are in a certain career , equality of opportunity does not equal equality of outcome .

Is it sexist that 90% of nurses are women ?

Is it sexist that women earn far more than men on only fans ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is actually illegal to pay different wages based on either being male or female. "

--- Weirdly, it's not, at least not that simple. Different factors can come into play, what is illegal for that to be the case because of discrimination, and not other factors

"The difference in earnings being thrown around by the usual suspects is on average males earn more because they’re in roles that pay more. If a female was in the same role, they too would be paid the same. "

--- Assuming I'm now a 'usual suspect', this is not always the case, hence companies with the majority of staff doing identical work, namely bar work at 'Spoons getting paid 22% more on average for having a willy.

"If females don’t want to the same jobs, that’s up to them, if females are prevented from doing the same job, thats a different story.

More females work in lower paid jobs, that’s a fact.

----This is one big second IF

"The outliers, roles have a banding upper and lower, a male can be at the upper due to length of time or performance but the banding is available to all. This probably were the story of a poster who claims he was getting 7k more for doing the same job comes from. Or something very close to this example."

--- That was me, and yes I was paid more, for comparable work, age and length of service. We did not have banding in place. Salaries were offered on the basis of "market rate". I can guess at why I got more, and I can justify a proportion of it, but not all.

All these hyperspecific points to suggest that because it's against the law it can't happen and anyway women don't choose to get better paid jobs with more responsibilities because they want kids is crap. It does happen. The problem is that while women (all of us) have the *right* to equality, it's not the same as requiring it to be given by default

- these are civil matters, not criminal ones, and therefore we have to fight for that right if we feel we have suffered discrimination. So you are totally welcome to go to a lawyer to complain it cost you more th go to a sex club if y ou feel that's value for money. If enough people do that, and win (they'd likely win), may some sort of order can be made for that business to refrain in future. But you have to put your money where your mouth is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd not even pay £30 entry fee tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

The women are sex bait. The men pay over the odds in the hope of getting some sex.

As the men pay double they get value for money by watching, wanking, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able? "

Single guys always pay more .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

The women are sex bait. The men pay over the odds in the hope of getting some sex.

As the men pay double they get value for money by watching, wanking, etc.

And Women don't watch ?

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

The women are sex bait. The men pay over the odds in the hope of getting some sex.

As the men pay double they get value for money by watching, wanking, etc.

And Women don't watch ?

We're too busy having sex

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

If no men went then they'd have to lower prices.

So long as people will pay it they'll charge it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another example of sexism that everyone turns a blind eye to..... Well it's only males!

Another club opening in South Devon with sexist pricing......

£30 single female

A few select single males spaces are available

£60 each"

Why is this seen as acceptable in todays world?

Is it sue-able?

The women are sex bait. The men pay over the odds in the hope of getting some sex.

As the men pay double they get value for money by watching, wanking, etc.

And Women don't watch ?

We're too busy having sex

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By *eyond PurityCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Just like it's a man's choice to go to a club, it is my choice to make an effort to look good. Now, I'm not a high maintenance woman and yet £35 nails; £15 stockings (which will undoubtedly get ruined) make-up, hairdos, lingerie... Other women will pay for waxing, cosmetic fillers, hair extensions, sunbeds... All to look flippin hot!

The ancillary costs for women are huge, and I don't know of a single guy who doesn't appreciate that.

And yes, I want clubs to keep the rifraff out! Although having a higher price for men doesn't exclude the (few) entitled pricks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just like it's a man's choice to go to a club, it is my choice to make an effort to look good. Now, I'm not a high maintenance woman and yet £35 nails; £15 stockings (which will undoubtedly get ruined) make-up, hairdos, lingerie... Other women will pay for waxing, cosmetic fillers, hair extensions, sunbeds... All to look flippin hot!

The ancillary costs for women are huge, and I don't know of a single guy who doesn't appreciate that.

And yes, I want clubs to keep the rifraff out! Although having a higher price for men doesn't exclude the (few) entitled pricks

I always thought that women wanted to look good for themselves. Never realised the high costs are so they can get a fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember guys, you own the penis.

Stay strong

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

The ancillary costs for women are huge, and I don't know of a single guy who doesn't appreciate that.

And yes, I want clubs to keep the rifraff out! Although having a higher price for men doesn't exclude the (few) entitled pricks

Very appreciated

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Funny thing is most fetish clubs/events do not operate a separate pricing policy and they are usualy bussy with singles and couples of both sexes .oddly dont seem to get the creepy men or the daisey chain of wanky men

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Funny thing is most fetish clubs/events do not operate a separate pricing policy and they are usualy bussy with singles and couples of both sexes .oddly dont seem to get the creepy men or the daisey chain of wanky men "

Different market and audience completely though.

The two aren't comparable at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different market and audience completely though.

The two aren't comparable at all.

Was just about to post this

Evie

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then? "

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

xx"

I have used facts you just didn't like them. Where have I said women are victims and you just have the audacity to say this was about facts what facts have you given? Not sure why you were that bothered as you are a couple so you also pay less than single men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

xx"

Just because it's different doesn't mean it's sexist. Equity and equality are different things.

Also men are not being denied access to create discrimination based on provision of services, they're just being charged more.

Evie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where I go it's £15 single women £35 couples and £45 single guys, us men have to pre book and pay £15 deposit that comes off the entire fee of the night, I think thats pretty reasonable especially when they don't have nights that don't allow single guys like most places.

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

And this idea. That has been mentioned several times.....

That women choose to spend more money on themselves.... So only fair men are forced to pay higher prices, is the most pathetic justification for sexist pricing policies, I've ever heard of.

That's like saying men spend more on their cars, so should legally be paid more per hour. Would any of these blinkered defenders agree with this lunacy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And this idea. That has been mentioned several times.....

That women choose to spend more money on themselves.... So only fair men are forced to pay higher prices, is the most pathetic justification for sexist pricing policies, I've ever heard of.

That's like saying men spend more on their cars, so should legally be paid more per hour. Would any of these blinkered defenders agree with this lunacy?

Are you going to answer the question in relation to the fact couples also pay less because you have been asked about this a couple of times and completely ignored it.

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx"

Name calling is not nice or called for

Evie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx"

But you didn't say anything about all discrimination did you. You cherry picked. There is no need for you to be aggressive with me just because I think differently I am also not the only one but I am the only one that you have decided to get personal with. Like I said I have posted facts you have not.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I suppose it's just like paying a single room supplement. No fuss from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx"

You hate it all, but you complain when people talk about sexism that doesn’t affect you negatively. Got it.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

On Holibobs

If they were able to gain an alcoholic sales revenue then prices could be dropped, but that's Ill advised for obvious reasons

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

"And this idea. That has been mentioned several times.....

That women choose to spend more money on themselves.... So only fair men are forced to pay higher prices, is the most pathetic justification for sexist pricing policies, I've ever heard of.

That's like saying men spend more on their cars, so should legally be paid more per hour. Would any of these blinkered defenders agree with this lunacy?

Are you going to answer the question in relation to the fact couples also pay less because you have been asked about this a couple of times and completely ignored it. "

Not ignoring, just haven't got all day to read the entire thread.... Especially when most of it is factually inaccurate and pushing agendas.

There is a economic argument to giving two customers a discount over one.

It works economically across... Holidays, family theme parks,.... That is a business decisions and in no way can be sexist, if applied to any couple.

Can a bi couple claim this or Would they be discriminated by their sexuality?

Would you defend this view aswell?

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

And a woman being vocal upsets some obviously. Not going to answer then?

I don't think anyone is worried about vocal females. They just would prefer you to use facts.

And your constant view that women are victims of sexism whilst in the same breath defending a completely sexist pricing policy is ridiculous.

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx

Name calling is not nice or called for

Evie"

I was talking about myself.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

"If they were able to gain an alcoholic sales revenue then prices could be dropped, but that's Ill advised for obvious reasons

D*unk zombie wankers

no, I'll pay more for a quality night out, ta

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no need for you to be aggressive with me just because I think differently I am also not the only one but I am the only one that you have decided to get personal with. "

I’m pretty sure he must think I’m too busy drowning in ally clunge to reply to. Obviously that never happens but it’s not exactly a secret that a a bunch of women have blocked him because of his opinions, so I might not be winning but I didn’t lose…

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

Anybody who thinks it's wrong that men pay more than women at swingers clubs should try a gay sauna. Men are not discriminated against on price and you have a similar number of women in there as you would get at a swingers club with the same pricing policy.

I realise that's a flippant comment, but complainers should recognise a couple of things about swingers clubs:

1. They cost money to run and a lot are run as profit-making businesses that have salaries to pay. No income = no club.

2. There is no shortage of men who want to go to clubs. There is a shortage of women. If you don't balance things out in some way then a lot of women simply won't go. You can have quotas and some sort of selection process for men, which takes time and money, or you can do it with price, which addresses points 1 and 2 in one hit.

If you don't like the price discrepancy, set up your own events. There's nothing stopping you.

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By *iker and Mare! OP Couple
over a year ago

Torbay

Because I'm not a short-sighted, selfish shit.

I hate all discrimination, not what just fits my blinkered agenda. xx

You hate it all, but you complain when people talk about sexism that doesn’t affect you negatively. Got it."

Errrmmmmm no, i said this situation doesn't effect me, but I don't like sexism.

Got it?

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