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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys...

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys... "
no the police should be banned from our streets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys... "

Yes everyone should be allowed a phone. Of course.

And no it’s not the same as other people in other jobs. If your job is to obey the law and protect the public, then there’s no room for the kind of crap that some officers repeatedly get caught doing. How can we trust that we’ll be treated fairly when behind the scenes they’re sharing tips on how to sexually assault women, sharing photos of dead bodies and laughing about it, and celebrating Muslims dying in a fire. Absolutely disgusting behaviour and those people need to be ed out

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

Police are “supposed” to protect and serve.

Ultimately, is is a position where one is held to a much higher standard than members of the general public, by said members of the public. Regardless of pressures.

If a person wants to do whatever they want in their sparetime, sans consequences, then don’t become a member of the police force. Or an elected politician. Or any number of other roles that bring about increased scrutiny.

Pretty simple, and framing it as a witch hunt (deliberate or implied) is disingenuous.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

If police officers are sharing racist/homophobic/misogynistic posts and finding them humorous it's impossible to claim that they aren't racist homophobic or misogynistic which suggests a bias that to me is incompatible with their job

Only racists defend racist jokes

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr "

Careful, you’ll have police apologists here in no time

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester


"If police officers are sharing racist/homophobic/misogynistic posts and finding them humorous it's impossible to claim that they aren't racist homophobic or misogynistic which suggests a bias that to me is incompatible with their job

Only racists defend racist jokes"

you are describing though also generic office humour that bounces around .. come work in the fiscal industry in London and see what goes in many of the traders whats app groups off work .. its no different at all ..

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"If police officers are sharing racist/homophobic/misogynistic posts and finding them humorous it's impossible to claim that they aren't racist homophobic or misogynistic which suggests a bias that to me is incompatible with their job

Only racists defend racist jokes

you are describing though also generic office humour that bounces around .. come work in the fiscal industry in London and see what goes in many of the traders whats app groups off work .. its no different at all .. "

Doesn’t make it any better. Financial sector workers aren’t held to the same standards that the police or civil servants are. So not sure what equivalence there is.

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By *lephantisMan
over a year ago

Oxford


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr "

(Stands and applauds.) The biggest organised crime group, of course, working hand in glove with the police, is the media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys...

Yes everyone should be allowed a phone. Of course.

And no it’s not the same as other people in other jobs. If your job is to obey the law and protect the public, then there’s no room for the kind of crap that some officers repeatedly get caught doing. How can we trust that we’ll be treated fairly when behind the scenes they’re sharing tips on how to sexually assault women, sharing photos of dead bodies and laughing about it, and celebrating Muslims dying in a fire. Absolutely disgusting behaviour and those people need to be ed out "

Well said

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr "

Do you truly believe they're all dodgy? That's an incredibly cynical world view

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

The Met is long overdue for a complete investigation, public sector has lost trust as their is far too much corruption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr "

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By *lephantisMan
over a year ago

Oxford


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr

Do you truly believe they're all dodgy? That's an incredibly cynical world view "

As the late, great Iain Banks said of 'good Tories':

"Decent Tories are like sweetcorn in a turd. Technically they've retained their integrity, but they're still embedded in shit."

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..

Yes, they should be allowed mobile phones and to be in chat groups but what they shouldn’t be doing is talking about the job or sharing job related info. They also need to report others that talk or share disgusting things that go against the ethics of the job.

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By *iss KinkWoman
over a year ago

North West


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr

Do you truly believe they're all dodgy? That's an incredibly cynical world view "

And a stupid one

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr

Do you truly believe they're all dodgy? That's an incredibly cynical world view "

The Met have been investigated for institutionalised racism, institutionalised homophobia and institutionalised sexism. They employed an officer known as the r@pist by his colleagues and assaulted women at a vigil fir his victim. He is far from thevonly officer to have been convicted of serious offences.

Do I think every officer is corrupt? No. Do i trust anybody them? Also no.

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Fulwood

You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it. "

If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

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By *eard and BoobsCouple
over a year ago

Portstewart

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

The head in the sand mentality when it comes to talking about the many institutional failings of the police force, is a major reason why it continues to persist.

Yes, not every police officer is a terrible person.

And yet, police forces around the world seem to disproportionately attract terrible people who abuse the power they are given.

Both things can be true at once, and can AND should be discussed.

Furthermore, maybe good cops should do more to call out the actions of the bad ones amongst them, instead of getting mad that people are criticizing the bad apples in the first place.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it.

If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

"

Not necessarily.

It's like saying everyone who posts on a FAB forum is a delusional fuckwit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shit society, shit police force. Where do you think they recruit from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it.

If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

Not necessarily.

It's like saying everyone who posts on a FAB forum is a delusional fuckwit. "

Or just because a Dr/ nurse committed a crime all health care professionals are murderers

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

Not necessarily.

It's like saying everyone who posts on a FAB forum is a delusional fuckwit.

Or just because a Dr/ nurse committed a crime all health care professionals are murderers "

False equivalence.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it.

If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

Not necessarily.

It's like saying everyone who posts on a FAB forum is a delusional fuckwit.

Or just because a Dr/ nurse committed a crime all health care professionals are murderers "

The problem is there are countless instances with the police compared to very, very few in the medical profession.

It's not a fair comparison

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"The head in the sand mentality when it comes to talking about the many institutional failings of the police force, is a major reason why it continues to persist.

Yes, not every police officer is a terrible person.

And yet, police forces around the world seem to disproportionately attract terrible people who abuse the power they are given.

Both things can be true at once, and can AND should be discussed.

Furthermore, maybe good cops should do more to call out the actions of the bad ones amongst them, instead of getting mad that people are criticizing the bad apples in the first place."

Exactly this.

We're not talking one or 2 bad eggs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can’t generalise that all people

In A particular job share the same narrow minded bigotry but there will be those people in every walk of life in every industry in every role somewhere.

We just have to persevere to show them that it’s not acceptable and educate them. Its only their ignorance that causes it.

If an organisation is investigated for institutionalised behaviour and that investigation is upheld I think its reasonable to generalise it's employers of being guilty of that behavior.

Not necessarily.

It's like saying everyone who posts on a FAB forum is a delusional fuckwit.

Or just because a Dr/ nurse committed a crime all health care professionals are murderers

The problem is there are countless instances with the police compared to very, very few in the medical profession.

It's not a fair comparison "

Very few ? . One Dr is struck off each week on average, the NHS pays out millions each year to settle malpractice cases and there have been multiple cases of nurses murdering patients.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Cleveland police are in the local papers again for all the wrong reasons they have sacked a WPC for sending an explicit video to her partner whilst on shift in her uniform in the station toilets for me it a silly thing to do but unfair to get the sack

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So what should be done with these buggers ? If anything

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"So what should be done with these buggers ? If anything "
has it been known the exactly content?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Cleveland police are in the local papers again for all the wrong reasons they have sacked a WPC for sending an explicit video to her partner whilst on shift in her uniform in the station toilets for me it a silly thing to do but unfair to get the sack "

Gross misconduct usually ends in dismissal. In any profession.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"Yes, they should be allowed mobile phones and to be in chat groups but what they shouldn’t be doing is talking about the job or sharing job related info. They also need to report others that talk or share disgusting things that go against the ethics of the job. "

Agreed!

It’s scary to hear what they get away with and what goes on behind the scenes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr "

Including me?

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By *r PantyMan
over a year ago

Morpeth

Bent as 9 bob notes, queer as a 4 speed walking stick the lot of them. I wouldn't trust a copper as far as I could piss. Sorry but the Police lost my respect a lot of years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bent as 9 bob notes, queer as a 4 speed walking stick the lot of them. I wouldn't trust a copper as far as I could piss. Sorry but the Police lost my respect a lot of years ago."

In your expert opinion

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By *_Love_CandyWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

I believe most people in the police are honorarable, and are there to help protect us. In the point of an emergency, I would be surprised if those that are anti, would not call 999. Unfortunately, there is a small percentage that are serving for the wrong reasons

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By *ust me 999Man
over a year ago

near you


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys... "

Of course police and police staff should be allowed to use social media or any platform for sending or receiving messages but like anyone else if they are misusing or braking the rules then like anyone else should face the consequences imo

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So take away their mobile phones ..

Or will they then use burner phones..

What's going on here guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's just not have police. That would save the country @£15.2 billion annually, and people can just take care of their own shit.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Let's just not have police. That would save the country @£15.2 billion annually, and people can just take care of their own shit."

That's pretty much how it is..

About 2% of burgulars caught...

Just Stop Petrol literally leading them a merry dance and a WPC sending pussy pics from the toilets..

You could not make it up

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By *r PantyMan
over a year ago

Morpeth

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By *r PantyMan
over a year ago

Morpeth

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By *r PantyMan
over a year ago

Morpeth


"Bent as 9 bob notes, queer as a 4 speed walking stick the lot of them. I wouldn't trust a copper as far as I could piss. Sorry but the Police lost my respect a lot of years ago.

In your expert opinion

"

In my opinion, I never mentioned being an expert, just based on experience.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me?"

If you are not a bad cop, then none of what is being discussed here applies to you and thus, you shouldn’t be getting bent out of shape about it.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"So take away their mobile phones ..

Or will they then use burner phones..

What's going on here guys "

They used to have walky talkies. You can’t send pussy pics on them so they’ll have to stick to talking dirty….

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr "
agreed on everything but we can do something about it

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me?"
are you a cop?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop? "

He might have handcuffs and a big truncheon….

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Even the good ones are getting booted out due to corruption as it's only about targets too meet regardless how they are obtained many of the officers whom got booted have spoken up it's all over u tube in Scotland

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop?

He might have handcuffs and a big truncheon…."

Or he could just be as corrupt and hippocritical as the rest

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester


"Even the good ones are getting booted out due to corruption as it's only about targets too meet regardless how they are obtained many of the officers whom got booted have spoken up it's all over u tube in Scotland "

But no force in the UK is meeting any targets except for the hurty word squad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop? "

Was until 4 weeks ago.

So. Am I a dodgy cunt?

Am I corrupt?

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Even the good ones are getting booted out due to corruption as it's only about targets too meet regardless how they are obtained many of the officers whom got booted have spoken up it's all over u tube in Scotland

But no force in the UK is meeting any targets except for the hurty word squad "

They're doing similar it's been going on for years but being more heavy handed or in similar way like they are the super power I can see a dirt war if anything where the public have had enough

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop?

He might have handcuffs and a big truncheon….

Or he could just be as corrupt and hippocritical as the rest "

Did the nasty police man lock you up?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop?

He might have handcuffs and a big truncheon….

Or he could just be as corrupt and hippocritical as the rest

Did the nasty police man lock you up?"

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

I don’t think police officers out of uniform are any different from any other member of the general public

But their job roles are to protect and serve (which in my opinion they do not!)

I personally feel the police force are just another revenue collection agency

When was the last time you saw a copper on the beat ?

When was the last time you needed police help and 3 days later you got someone turn up on your doorstep to collect a statement?

But here is the worst part

WhatsApp messages are all encrypted so there is obviously a grass amongst them! And the public are supposed to trust the police

The organisation is a shambles it’s underfunded understaffed

The general public do more police work than they do all they do is the paperwork and collect the fines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think police officers out of uniform are any different from any other member of the general public

But their job roles are to protect and serve (which in my opinion they do not!)

I personally feel the police force are just another revenue collection agency

When was the last time you saw a copper on the beat ?

When was the last time you needed police help and 3 days later you got someone turn up on your doorstep to collect a statement?

But here is the worst part

WhatsApp messages are all encrypted so there is obviously a grass amongst them! And the public are supposed to trust the police

The organisation is a shambles it’s underfunded understaffed

The general public do more police work than they do all they do is the paperwork and collect the fines "

I call BS

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By *_Love_CandyWoman
over a year ago

Greater London


"The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt.

The mr

Including me? are you a cop?

Was until 4 weeks ago.

So. Am I a dodgy cunt?

Am I corrupt?"

Jennie, at the fear of sounding to American, ha, and the bashing officers are getting on this thread, I would just like to openly say thank you for all you have contributed in your career choice. I, like many others, value the work of the police

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

I think police forces everywhere need to up their vetting process.

Because clearly the job is attracting the wrong people

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"I don’t think police officers out of uniform are any different from any other member of the general public

But their job roles are to protect and serve (which in my opinion they do not!)

I personally feel the police force are just another revenue collection agency

When was the last time you saw a copper on the beat ?

When was the last time you needed police help and 3 days later you got someone turn up on your doorstep to collect a statement?

But here is the worst part

WhatsApp messages are all encrypted so there is obviously a grass amongst them! And the public are supposed to trust the police

The organisation is a shambles it’s underfunded understaffed

The general public do more police work than they do all they do is the paperwork and collect the fines "

Protect and serve? Isn’t that on some American police vehicles.

I don’t think that our police uses jingles like that.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"The head in the sand mentality when it comes to talking about the many institutional failings of the police force, is a major reason why it continues to persist.

Yes, not every police officer is a terrible person.

And yet, police forces around the world seem to disproportionately attract terrible people who abuse the power they are given.

Both things can be true at once, and can AND should be discussed.

Furthermore, maybe good cops should do more to call out the actions of the bad ones amongst them, instead of getting mad that people are criticizing the bad apples in the first place.

Exactly this.

We're not talking one or 2 bad eggs.

"

I definitely agree with the view that the job is attracting the wrong people.

I know many serving officers and whilst I'm sure being rural it's worlds apart from the situation in London, many of those I know are leaving the job not just because it's now focussed less on preventing crime and supporting the community, but because of the people entering the job now.

There are huge swathes of recruits who have specific motivations for wanting to do the job, linked to agendas based on religion, ethnicity and politics, rather than to 'protect and serve' the community, as if they see themselves as uniformed vigilantes doing work that personal ideologies dictate needs doing.

The recruitment process is viewed as a joke. Simple background checks on people's social media would throw up red flags for many that are recruited and once they're in the job it's far harder to get them out.

It's probably far worse in the USA where law enforcement is more localised, more like a private business and where recruitment standards seem to disregard any need for basic intelligence. But the UK isn't far behind.

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So take away their mobile phones ..

Or will they then use burner phones..

What's going on here guys

They used to have walky talkies. You can’t send pussy pics on them so they’ll have to stick to talking dirty…. "

They get issued with personal smart devices now so they can use those for their porn!....

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"So take away their mobile phones ..

Or will they then use burner phones..

What's going on here guys

They used to have walky talkies. You can’t send pussy pics on them so they’ll have to stick to talking dirty….

They get issued with personal smart devices now so they can use those for their porn!.... "

Awesome …. Pussy pics for all..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think police officers out of uniform are any different from any other member of the general public

But their job roles are to protect and serve (which in my opinion they do not!)

I personally feel the police force are just another revenue collection agency

When was the last time you saw a copper on the beat ?

When was the last time you needed police help and 3 days later you got someone turn up on your doorstep to collect a statement?

But here is the worst part

WhatsApp messages are all encrypted so there is obviously a grass amongst them! And the public are supposed to trust the police

The organisation is a shambles it’s underfunded understaffed

The general public do more police work than they do all they do is the paperwork and collect the fines

Protect and serve? Isn’t that on some American police vehicles.

I don’t think that our police uses jingles like that."

No they don't, it's an Americanism. Ironically the US Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that the police have zero obligation to protect the very citizens who pay their salaries . The most famous case being Warren V. District of Columbia which ruled that even in cases of gross incompetence there is no constitutional right for the police to protect and serve individuals of the public.

So yah, boo sucks to you, septics.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Don’t worry about it their high class security badge allows them to do anything, The police service is the second biggest organised crime group, every single one is a dodgy cunt. They can do what they want when they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

The mr

Do you truly believe they're all dodgy? That's an incredibly cynical world view

As the late, great Iain Banks said of 'good Tories':

"Decent Tories are like sweetcorn in a turd. Technically they've retained their integrity, but they're still embedded in shit.""
lol yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The head in the sand mentality when it comes to talking about the many institutional failings of the police force, is a major reason why it continues to persist.

Yes, not every police officer is a terrible person.

And yet, police forces around the world seem to disproportionately attract terrible people who abuse the power they are given.

Both things can be true at once, and can AND should be discussed.

Furthermore, maybe good cops should do more to call out the actions of the bad ones amongst them, instead of getting mad that people are criticizing the bad apples in the first place.

Exactly this.

We're not talking one or 2 bad eggs.

I definitely agree with the view that the job is attracting the wrong people.

I know many serving officers and whilst I'm sure being rural it's worlds apart from the situation in London, many of those I know are leaving the job not just because it's now focussed less on preventing crime and supporting the community, but because of the people entering the job now.

There are huge swathes of recruits who have specific motivations for wanting to do the job, linked to agendas based on religion, ethnicity and politics, rather than to 'protect and serve' the community, as if they see themselves as uniformed vigilantes doing work that personal ideologies dictate needs doing.

The recruitment process is viewed as a joke. Simple background checks on people's social media would throw up red flags for many that are recruited and once they're in the job it's far harder to get them out.

It's probably far worse in the USA where law enforcement is more localised, more like a private business and where recruitment standards seem to disregard any need for basic intelligence. But the UK isn't far behind.

A"

Recruiting standards are lowered because they can’t get the numbers of more suitable candidates. Can you imagine anyone reading a thread like this and wanting to be a cop?

Society has changed from the Dixon of Dock Green street justice days to reflect the more touchy feely, entitled and hedonistic society that we have today. That’s your recruiting pool, so don’t be surprised when they behave like everyone else.

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

My son has joined the police. As members of his family we were vetted. Don't get that for other jobs. He's proud to join the police, he wants to serve and protect. He certainly doesn't have an agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Recruiting standards for some forces have dropped. Standards for other forces have not.

The non nationalised nature of policing in the UK leads to wildly varying standard and wildly differing practices. Bear in mind that the vast majority of what you read in the media is vases on one specific police area, and the force covering that one specific police area is not well thought of even by officers in other area ... and that's before you add the media hyperbole.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those in the job are there for absolutely the right reasons and doing it to the absolute best of their abilities.

This is despite the increasingly entitled nature of society where everyone knows their 'rights' but fail to understand their responsibilities.

No the entirety of the staff in UK policing are not corrupt, uncaring, lazy. But if it suits your narrative you are going ho say that, aren't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My son has joined the police. As members of his family we were vetted. Don't get that for other jobs. He's proud to join the police, he wants to serve and protect. He certainly doesn't have an agenda. "

Brit Police don’t do ‘Serve & Protect’, they are not public servants. They are Crown Agents and their role is:

The protection of life and property

The maintenance of order

Keeping the Kings peace

The prevention and detection of crime

The fact that over the years they have become the backstop for other failed services such as social work and mental health, coupled with a politically aligned, woke, management structure, serving a society that only wants policing to apply to others and not themselves, means they are truly fucked.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"My son has joined the police. As members of his family we were vetted. Don't get that for other jobs. He's proud to join the police, he wants to serve and protect. He certainly doesn't have an agenda.

Brit Police don’t do ‘Serve & Protect’, they are not public servants. They are Crown Agents and their role is:

The protection of life and property

The maintenance of order

Keeping the Kings peace

The prevention and detection of crime

The fact that over the years they have become the backstop for other failed services such as social work and mental health, coupled with a politically aligned, woke, management structure, serving a society that only wants policing to apply to others and not themselves, means they are truly fucked.

"

Can you explain more about the politically aligned woke management structure?

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Recruiting standards for some forces have dropped. Standards for other forces have not.

The non nationalised nature of policing in the UK leads to wildly varying standard and wildly differing practices. Bear in mind that the vast majority of what you read in the media is vases on one specific police area, and the force covering that one specific police area is not well thought of even by officers in other area ... and that's before you add the media hyperbole.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those in the job are there for absolutely the right reasons and doing it to the absolute best of their abilities.

This is despite the increasingly entitled nature of society where everyone knows their 'rights' but fail to understand their responsibilities.

No the entirety of the staff in UK policing are not corrupt, uncaring, lazy. But if it suits your narrative you are going ho say that, aren't you?"

True although the boys club mentality the police creates amplifies all these issues. Police need less duties and more openness.

Three folk I know in the police have left their partners for other people in the police plus get defensive about the police before as soon as they hear about an issue. Culture within it needs to be way more community focused.

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By *iss KinkWoman
over a year ago

North West


"Recruiting standards for some forces have dropped. Standards for other forces have not.

The non nationalised nature of policing in the UK leads to wildly varying standard and wildly differing practices. Bear in mind that the vast majority of what you read in the media is vases on one specific police area, and the force covering that one specific police area is not well thought of even by officers in other area ... and that's before you add the media hyperbole.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those in the job are there for absolutely the right reasons and doing it to the absolute best of their abilities.

This is despite the increasingly entitled nature of society where everyone knows their 'rights' but fail to understand their responsibilities.

No the entirety of the staff in UK policing are not corrupt, uncaring, lazy. But if it suits your narrative you are going ho say that, aren't you?"

Totally agree

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Can you explain more about the politically aligned woke management structure?"

That would require them to actually engage with the points raised upthread, and elevate their level of discourse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My son has joined the police. As members of his family we were vetted. Don't get that for other jobs. He's proud to join the police, he wants to serve and protect. He certainly doesn't have an agenda.

Brit Police don’t do ‘Serve & Protect’, they are not public servants. They are Crown Agents and their role is:

The protection of life and property

The maintenance of order

Keeping the Kings peace

The prevention and detection of crime

The fact that over the years they have become the backstop for other failed services such as social work and mental health, coupled with a politically aligned, woke, management structure, serving a society that only wants policing to apply to others and not themselves, means they are truly fucked.

Can you explain more about the politically aligned woke management structure?"

The Home Office is responsible for policing. The HO is headed by a politician. PCCs are elected by the public, who usually get in on ridiculously small numbers of votes because the public is largely uninterested in policing until it goes wrong. Chief Constables are appointed by PCCs and although they are supposed to be operationally independent, if they don’t do the bidding of their PCC, they are out. PCCs rely on generating popular public support so are heavily influenced by whatever is in vogue with vociferous pressure groups and currently being spun in the media. These issues are rarely to do with grass roots, real policing which is about keeping communities safe, maintaining order and catching bad guys. Instead they have to pander to policing hurt feelings and mean tweets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If police officers are sharing racist/homophobic/misogynistic posts and finding them humorous it's impossible to claim that they aren't racist homophobic or misogynistic which suggests a bias that to me is incompatible with their job

Only racists defend racist jokes"

Well said

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

A huge majority not fit for purpose and a full enquiry won't do much because most also involved in it their good at sweeping stuff under the carpet

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys... "

I’ve ne we seen any kind of toxic or dodgy messages in any work related WhatsApp groups, we have 10s of thousands of employees worldwide so am In hundreds of groups , no one would be stupid enough to risk losing their job by putting anything remotely sexist, sexual or racist.

I can imagine these police groups though , on the whole they are dodgy racist sexist wankers the ones I’ve known.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys...

I’ve ne we seen any kind of toxic or dodgy messages in any work related WhatsApp groups, we have 10s of thousands of employees worldwide so am In hundreds of groups , no one would be stupid enough to risk losing their job by putting anything remotely sexist, sexual or racist.

I can imagine these police groups though , on the whole they are dodgy racist sexist wankers the ones I’ve known."

Maybe the job makes them like that

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys...

I’ve ne we seen any kind of toxic or dodgy messages in any work related WhatsApp groups, we have 10s of thousands of employees worldwide so am In hundreds of groups , no one would be stupid enough to risk losing their job by putting anything remotely sexist, sexual or racist.

I can imagine these police groups though , on the whole they are dodgy racist sexist wankers the ones I’ve known.

Maybe the job makes them like that"

I think it probably amplifies is a bit. It should do the opposite , your company should make you a better person and vice versa and allowing that culture in WhatsApp groups does the opposite.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"The Welsh Chief of Police has uncovered a network of cops sharing WhatsApp messages which are said to be well dodgey.

Should the police be allowed mobile phones off duty or is it purely the pressure of the job. Or is it a witch hunt on these brave boys in blue. Don't lots of groups in normal office jobs, estate agents, driving instructors and ferry personnel do exactly the same thing. It's all over the news and what's going on here guys...

I’ve ne we seen any kind of toxic or dodgy messages in any work related WhatsApp groups, we have 10s of thousands of employees worldwide so am In hundreds of groups , no one would be stupid enough to risk losing their job by putting anything remotely sexist, sexual or racist.

I can imagine these police groups though , on the whole they are dodgy racist sexist wankers the ones I’ve known.

Maybe the job makes them like that"

If it does, then that really proves how toxic the police are and how much of a problem we have.

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