FabSwingers.com forum: Nurses to Strike

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

And what exactly will the Army achieve?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

To shoot the nurses? Or to run the hospitals?

Neither is wise Tom.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think they're a bit thinly stretched with all the other crises they have to deal with.

Maybe we should structure society a bit better rather than just blindly rely on our boys to clean up messes?

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

If we can send in the army then why can't they be helping now? We have quite a backlog to get through...

I'm assuming they don't have anything better to do at the moment though I not familiar with the ins and outs of what they do on a day to day.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Send in the Paras

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

I'd argue that armed forces medics would be more than capable of carrying out most of the duties they'd need to. But doing so does reduce the effectiveness of striking. It's a difficult balance to achieve.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

It might be more productive to send in the clowns.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'd argue that armed forces medics would be more than capable of carrying out most of the duties they'd need to. But doing so does reduce the effectiveness of striking. It's a difficult balance to achieve."

Some want to reduce the effect of striking - not to save lives, but to force people to take what they're given.

After the last few years, we owe most of our healthcare workers dearly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they're a bit thinly stretched with all the other crises they have to deal with.

Maybe we should structure society a bit better rather than just blindly rely on our boys to clean up messes?"

There are lots of women in the Army nowadays.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I think they're a bit thinly stretched with all the other crises they have to deal with.

Maybe we should structure society a bit better rather than just blindly rely on our boys to clean up messes?

There are lots of women in the Army nowadays."

It's a figure of speech. "support our boys" etc.

It was poetic license.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

People are striking because they've had enough of rich people telling them they should be grateful for what they're given. More power to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m fully in support of our nurses striking they have been underpaid for far too long, as for sending in the army I’m sure they would do an amazing job but they would in no way replace our fantastic nhs

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Give them what they want as someone who recently has relied on our wonderful NHS I can’t thank them enough and have seen first hand how committed they are to look after us

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

The government don't care about NHS service levels, you get what you pay for and most people use private now. They will happily let the NHS decline , they are probably quite pleased if they strike, it furthers the case for a proper private medical system like most countries have

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

Send in the Albanians

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

"People are striking because they've had enough of rich people telling them they should be grateful for what they're given. More power to them

I agree. When there are people sitting at the top table racki g it in from the hard work of those at the bottom, I'm all for it.

As of yet, I've not seen any success from all these strikes so far. I hope they do. Claiming giving big pay rises is adding to inflation is rubbish, inflation is already out of control so a pay rise here and there won't change much.

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By *atisfiedSighWoman
over a year ago

NW Wiltshire

"there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones

If that's true, why are we 500k nurses short of a minimum required level? Why are wards running with such low numbers of staff that patients are directly placed at risk of harm?

It used to be easier to get new nurses in from abroad, but after Brexit, those nurses won't touch the UK with a barge pole, and the migrant nurses that we did have left in their thousands. We aren't getting the uptake of British students entering nurse training because the bursary was scrapped. Nurses are finishing their training with massive student debts that they'll never be able to pay off due to low pay. Who would willingly sign up for that?

The increasing divide between wages and inflation is only a small part of why nurses are striking.

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By *atisfiedSighWoman
over a year ago

NW Wiltshire

(forgive the rogue 0 in the shortage stated. It's 50k)

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

No, pay them what they deserve.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

I think its right for them to strike.

What I found insulting was when they was needed, all they got was a clap for all there help and care they gave.

Better pay and less hours as they can do 12hrs on there feet and longer when they are not releived.

They was the only ones on the front lines with poor ppe equipment yet expected to do there job.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Send in the Paras

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yes airlift them to all the important hospitals they can land on roof

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"

Having a similar discussion with jools earlier she's a nurse.

We both agreed that a major overhaul of the NHS is required.

Not just to streamline the management system but to fix broken practices that cost millions.

For example they no longer reuse crutches and boots.

Instead of deep cleaning which would be fairly easy with a steam cleaning device and just replacing the insert of the boot they throw it away.

Medication waste,if something comes out of the pharmacy and is unused even if it is still intact and in the package unopened and sealed they will not take it back in the pharmacy it's thrown away ,these two practices alone must be costing many millions.

What the NHS require is an independent auditors to look at every aspect to see where waste is happening, not at front line staff,but equipment waste and administrative red tape.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Having a similar discussion with jools earlier she's a nurse.

We both agreed that a major overhaul of the NHS is required.

Not just to streamline the management system but to fix broken practices that cost millions.

For example they no longer reuse crutches and boots.

Instead of deep cleaning which would be fairly easy with a steam cleaning device and just replacing the insert of the boot they throw it away.

What the NHS require is an independent auditors to look at every aspect to see where waste is happening, not at front line staff,but equipment waste and administrative red tape."

They won't even repair crutches to give back to the same patient, nor would they take away the damaged crutches when they replaced mine! I now have a random damaged crutches that are gathering dust!

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Having a similar discussion with jools earlier she's a nurse.

We both agreed that a major overhaul of the NHS is required.

Not just to streamline the management system but to fix broken practices that cost millions.

For example they no longer reuse crutches and boots.

Instead of deep cleaning which would be fairly easy with a steam cleaning device and just replacing the insert of the boot they throw it away.

What the NHS require is an independent auditors to look at every aspect to see where waste is happening, not at front line staff,but equipment waste and administrative red tape.

They won't even repair crutches to give back to the same patient, nor would they take away the damaged crutches when they replaced mine! I now have a random damaged crutches that are gathering dust!"

Even one's in perfect condition get thrown.

Which is why every nursing home I visit they always have a skip out front full of crutches, wheelchairs and walking Frames.

Guaranteed that some minister who made the decision has shares in the companies that supply said products.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"
professions deemed too important to not be allowed to strike should have increases protected by law. Say, the same increase as the state pension. (may need some finessing so it manages individual cases).

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Could Elton Musk run the NHS better ?

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

"Could Elton Musk run the NHS better ?"

Lolllllllll

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Could Elton Musk run the NHS better ?"

Keep him and his like well away from our NHS.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

He has streamlined Twitter overnight ..

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Could Elton Musk run the NHS better ?"
and when they run short of money he could chip in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

Too easy to replace them?!

You know it's a degree level occupation nowadays?

And most people have private healthcare?

I suspect you're correct the Tories are quietly happy to see the service decline though.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Who the fuck can afford private?

Besides that's not all its cracked up to be.

They don't have ER and emergency departments.

They still rely on the NHS for that.

So even if you spend many thousands on private you will still need the NHS in an emergency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"

It's not just about money! It's about attracting new people to the profession, extremely poor staffing levels and staff burnout/mental health problems. The strain put on staff is immense and and nothing compares to the moral distress they experience when they can't provide good care that the patients are entitled to.

I'd be interested to hear how people suggest the things above are fixed without striking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"

Would £350 million a week help?

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

"He has streamlined Twitter overnight ..

Yeah I'm sure the NHS needs more cuts

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Government are going to be really ficked if they try and turn public opinion against nurses like they normally do anyone that stands up to them.

People may slate the NHS but only a very small minority ever criticise nurses and I can't see a mass buy in to the inevitable smear campaign

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

It might be more productive to send in the clowns."

Love this

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

It's been long overdue hopefully this time will be listened to and act. It's not nice as these are actual front line workers. That everyone in their life time will need

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By *ornywelsh2sumCouple
over a year ago

Neath valley.

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"

So the other way is they all hand in their notice and walk in to another job with less hrs. I think if they dont act now you will see a massive amount walking away and younsters saying fuck it to working for shit pay and large depts after passing their final exams.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Nurses have effectively been receiving pay cuts for years, while MPs award themselves astronomical pay rises for doing Jack shit.

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Nurses can only strike if there shifts are covered or they have a day off ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

Yes we are striking !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And what exactly will the Army achieve?"

They were possibly bring in army medics if necessary.

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from"

I presume you're not a nurse then? No they won't get what they want because it won't be an all out strike like the last one waant an all out one - it was farcical. Government will sit back and laugh knowing what will happen. In the meanwhile nurses will continue to use food banks and have their homes repossessed.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

I'm in support 3% is like a pay cut if inflation is 10%

If you pay them better morewil stay and more will want to join.

Good luck to them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’re either for the workers or against. If you’re against I’ll assume you’re either self employed, retired or very very wealthy.

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By *martease3Man
over a year ago

Yarm

Get your little black book out and give the nurses you know a nudge to help fill in their spare time .....

F x

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

"Could Elton Musk run the NHS better ?"

I didn’t think it was possible to find someone who could do a worse job than the government, but I was wrong.

The average FTSE CEO pay in 2020 was 79 times that of the average employee. Now it’s 109 times. And we think it’s appropriate to treat those who care for us to a decade of pay cuts?

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

"You’re either for the workers or against. If you’re against I’ll assume you’re either self employed, retired or very very wealthy."

I'm retired in support of the strike which won't be an all out strike like the last time.

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By *ociable-NottmCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Would £350 million a week help?

Thought it was £300 million, has this happened yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You’re either for the workers or against. If you’re against I’ll assume you’re either self employed, retired or very very wealthy.

I'm retired in support of the strike which won't be an all out strike like the last time. "

My point was more that if you’re a worker you should support other workers wanting a fair pay rise. The majority are workers so I don’t understand how they can be against the strikes.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Would £350 million a week help?

Thought it was £300 million, has this happened yet"

Of course it hasn't, because it was utter claptrap.

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By *ociable-NottmCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Would £350 million a week help?

Thought it was £300 million, has this happened yet

Of course it hasn't, because it was utter claptrap."

Just checking

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

How dare they! Didn't they get enough with all the clapping... Selfish and greedy I say!

To any nurses out there, if I end up in hospital while you are on strike, you will still have my support. Not enough genuine respect and appreciation shown or given to such an important role in our lives.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here

"Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem. "

Best. Answer. Ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem. "

Well said…… we aren’t striking on a particular day so wards will be covered….. also we already have army medics working across sites

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here

"Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem.

Well said…… we aren’t striking on a particular day so wards will be covered….. also we already have army medics working across sites

Thank you for what you do and solidarity to all your striking colleagues x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem.

Well said…… we aren’t striking on a particular day so wards will be covered….. also we already have army medics working across sites

Thank you for what you do and solidarity to all your striking colleagues x"

Thank you …. It’s been a long time coming x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Would £350 million a week help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

You think it’s easy to get new ones…..that’s funny! Over 25,000 nurses left last year….so it’s not even close to being easy to get new ones

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I won't be striking. I am grateful to have a job I enjoy. If I wanted more money that much I would leave and seek employment elsewhere.

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

"Good luck to the nurses. There's nothing like a group of rich people telling the workers that they should be satisfied with less.

Also, the Daily Fail readers wank themselves off to the idea of sending in the army to deal with any problem.

Best. Answer. Ever

Agreed. This is top notch truth telling

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

You think it’s easy to get new ones…..that’s funny! Over 25,000 nurses left last year….so it’s not even close to being easy to get new ones"

And there are staffing problems internationally, so it's not like we just get more from overseas...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In interests of accuracy it's worth saying that the UK Govt accepted in full the recommendations of the independent NHS pay review body for 22/23. And that the Labour led Welsh Govt and SNP led Scottish Govt did the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In interests of accuracy it's worth saying that the UK Govt accepted in full the recommendations of the independent NHS pay review body for 22/23. And that the Labour led Welsh Govt and SNP led Scottish Govt did the same."

And then they went and fucked the economy even further and sent inflation soaring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every year we hear about train driver this, train driver that. Its all bollocks compared to what nurses do and yet they get offered fuck all in payrises. Let them strike, let them have the money they deserve for saving lives on a daily basis!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

This is so true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And then they went and fucked the economy even further and sent inflation soaring."

Yes that's why its the same or higher in the whole of the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

The lazy bastards

I definitely don't support them now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And then they went and fucked the economy even further and sent inflation soaring.

Yes that's why its the same or higher in the whole of the EU.

But... we're not in the EU...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

This is so true.

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thirded. The NHS is laudable and it's workers are great. However it may not be entirely the best way to provide some of the aims we wish it to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

What were the nurses chatting about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

You think it’s easy to get new ones…..that’s funny! Over 25,000 nurses left last year….so it’s not even close to being easy to get new ones

And there are staffing problems internationally, so it's not like we just get more from overseas..."

This! It's not ethical to poach international nurses either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they're a bit thinly stretched with all the other crises they have to deal with.

Maybe we should structure society a bit better rather than just blindly rely on our boys to clean up messes?

There are lots of women in the Army nowadays."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And what exactly will the Army achieve?"

There is already lots of Army personnel working in NHS hospitals, one of my Mums consultants was a Military Dr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

What were the nurses chatting about? "

One group were watching Paralympics swimming on a PC and commenting on the competitors disabilities and whether they should be there. They even Googled some names to see what the disabilities were.

Pretty poor taste seeing as an old guy who was sat in the same area as me had a prosthetic arm.

I think he was in too much discomfort to notice what they were saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I understand why they may strike (and various other public sector workers) I do wonder at the wisdom of doing it right now.

There are just too many excuses the government can use for the moment. New leadership needs time to sort the economy. Usual bollocks about Russia. Cost of living crisis is beyond their control etc. etc.

None justifiable but nonetheless it's an easy time for the government to just shrug and make out there's little they can do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs. "

I'm not one to defend politicians, but there are over 7000 NHS staff paid more than an MPs salary.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong place for cost savings.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?"

No. It's time to send in the money.

They have my full support.

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By *oliday slutCouple
over a year ago

gleneagles

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

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lots got furlough and now they want to strike others worked bloody hard through it and never complained..give them a decent parish but font spoil it by striking ..if you do you will have blood on your hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs.

I'm not one to defend politicians, but there are over 7000 NHS staff paid more than an MPs salary.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong place for cost savings."

And how many of those aren't worth their salary?

And then the same question for MPs

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does."

Agreed. Much of the general public don't even know what social workers do. They tend to narrownit down to Children's Social Care and believe the tabloid myth that it's all about being a "baby snatcher."

However, one thing they have in common with the NHS is that they are so stretched and intentionally under-funded that privatisation is held up as the only solution.

It's playing with lives to make the rich richer.

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By *ack and MiriCouple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

It might be more productive to send in the clowns.

Love this

Can't send the clowns in they are already busy "running" the country

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

However, one thing they have in common with the NHS is that they are so stretched and intentionally under-funded that privatisation is held up as the only solution.

It's playing with lives to make the rich richer."

The social worker allocated to my Dad during his hospitalisation lied outright to us. She said she'd assessed him in person on a Friday but it seems that she did so invisibly, with no other members of staff or other patients (all unable to get out of bed without assistance) seeing her. Her account of my Dad's so-called cognitive abilities were patently false and it seemed that they simply fabricated a positive cognitive assessment to chuck him out sooner. Basically, any time that a nurse or doctor perform a competency test, they deemed him unable to make decisions but the social worker allegedly found him to be competent on two separate occasions. This is someone who spent the whole two month stay thinking he was variously in a hotel; looking over the River Mersey etc and who forgot he was wearing a rigid neck brace. He also never remembered where the bathroom was (right at the end of his bed, right in his line of sight) and who spent the whole two months asking us to bring money in so he could buy a newspaper, despite there being not one single newspaper in the building to be purchased and no trolley going round the ward to suggest otherwise. He was and is very confused but apparently totally lucid precisely for the time taken for a social worker to make a judgement. Then his faculties disappeared when the nursing staff spoke to him. Weird.

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By *lakeyboyMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

Where? Into the House of Commons???

Maybe!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

However, one thing they have in common with the NHS is that they are so stretched and intentionally under-funded that privatisation is held up as the only solution.

It's playing with lives to make the rich richer."

Agreed.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

lots got furlough and now they want to strike others worked bloody hard through it and never complained..give them a decent parish but font spoil it by striking ..if you do you will have blood on your hands"

What nurses got furlough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

That’s what I thought

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

I don’t read the news much. What do they want , more money ? They won’t get that, there are too many of them and it’s too easy to get new ones , the complete opposite dynamics to train drivers.

It is not easy to get new nurses at all. More are retiring than are coming in. The training for new nurses is a 3 year degree and the numbers applying is dropping year on year.

You can't just get new nurses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs.

I'm not one to defend politicians, but there are over 7000 NHS staff paid more than an MPs salary.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong place for cost savings."

So you think annual pay rises for MP’s is justified?

Despite cuts to public services and pay freezes in the public sector?

I don't recall saying anywhere that this would solve the problem but it’s certainly a good start.

The 7000+ you’re referring to are no doubt specialists, directors, top tier surgeons eyc no doubt, are you suggesting THEY take a pay cut before the MP’s?

It’s not Rishi Sunak I’d want operating on me if I needed a fucking surgery.

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman
over a year ago

I don’t blame them at all.

Make them feel bloomin valued!

They are the heart and soul of the nhs. The nurses who cared for my husband in itu were amazing.

Oh and stop charging them car park fees!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"WThe social worker allocated to my Dad during his hospitalisation lied outright to us."

I'm sorry that your dad received such a poor service. However, I don't think that really nullifies anything I said.

Most of the teachers I had in school was absolute arseholes. I still think it's a sacred profession.

There are also awful nurses, heartless carers and abysmal doctors. That doesn't take away my respect for the profession, or my belief that they pretty much deserve any and every payrise they ask for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and stop charging them car park fees! "

Indeed. Stop charging parents with kids on the oncology wards too.

Incredible that anybody thinks this is okay.

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I love to strike a female nurse between her legs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs.

I'm not one to defend politicians, but there are over 7000 NHS staff paid more than an MPs salary.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong place for cost savings.

So you think annual pay rises for MP’s is justified?

Despite cuts to public services and pay freezes in the public sector?

I don't recall saying anywhere that this would solve the problem but it’s certainly a good start.

The 7000+ you’re referring to are no doubt specialists, directors, top tier surgeons eyc no doubt, are you suggesting THEY take a pay cut before the MP’s?

It’s not Rishi Sunak I’d want operating on me if I needed a fucking surgery.

I'd be very interested to know if they are the wages of the medical specialists or of the pen-pushers lining their own pockets as the system fails.

It should be anonymised but public record if it isn't already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be very interested to know if they are the wages of the medical specialists or of the pen-pushers lining their own pockets as the system fails.

It should be anonymised but public record if it isn't already."

Consultant surgeons are paid more than an MP's salary.

This is a good thing.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

Thats your solution to everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be very interested to know if they are the wages of the medical specialists or of the pen-pushers lining their own pockets as the system fails.

It should be anonymised but public record if it isn't already.

Consultant surgeons are paid more than an MP's salary.

This is a good thing."

I'd be ecstatic to have highly qualified medical staff being paid a fair wage and entice more to stay here rather than go abroad.

If said staff give their time to the employer that pays it.

Is it not true that Consultants and other staff devide their loyalties and also work privately for a clean fortune, and individuals who are on waiting lists for the exact same person can choose to pay to get seen by this same person sooner via a private hospital?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be very interested to know if they are the wages of the medical specialists or of the pen-pushers lining their own pockets as the system fails.

It should be anonymised but public record if it isn't already.

Consultant surgeons are paid more than an MP's salary.

This is a good thing.

I'd be ecstatic to have highly qualified medical staff being paid a fair wage and entice more to stay here rather than go abroad.

If said staff give their time to the employer that pays it.

Can't say any of that's bothered me while waiting on the operating table. Save perhaps hoping they're not knackered from all that moonlighting

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By *urse234Woman
over a year ago

somewhere in Essex

Fully support the NHS nurses Strike.

If I was still NHS and I had the option to ballot then I would have 100% voted for strike.

I started nursing on a tiny wage and it hasnt got much better since I left public sector. The pay and conditions of my NHS colleagues now is terrible x

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

"Whatever you think about nurses T&C's , social care is even worse, but they don't get the public sympathy like the NHS does.

I've had 2 recent hospital visits and nurses seemed pretty relaxed, stood around chatting most of the time.

We spend a comparable amount on hospital care as similar counties, but far less on community care. Hence bed blocking and ambulance queues.

The NHS is not the bigger problem.

What were the nurses chatting about?

One group were watching Paralympics swimming on a PC and commenting on the competitors disabilities and whether they should be there. They even Googled some names to see what the disabilities were.

Pretty poor taste seeing as an old guy who was sat in the same area as me had a prosthetic arm.

I think he was in too much discomfort to notice what they were saying. "

I agree that’s not in good taste, however as they deal with horrible things every day and get abuse from some patients too, a bit of downtime isn’t unreasonable.

As for talking to each other, I think that’s allowed? I see people in my office occasionally talk about the football, whatever was on television last night or even the weather. I thought it was the grease that keeps an organisation going, but maybe I should just fire the lazy fuckers

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By *cruffymooWoman
over a year ago

Skelmersdale

"Who the fuck can afford private?

Besides that's not all its cracked up to be.

They don't have ER and emergency departments.

They still rely on the NHS for that.

So even if you spend many thousands on private you will still need the NHS in an emergency."

Exactly this....private hospitals don't have AED, so when things go wrong you go to NHS AED, no private rooms with enquire your the same as the rest of us.

On the topic of strike action, front line workers can strike if on hols, day off, before or after shift or even on their break but contract doesn't allow us to just leave the shop floor as they ate putting patients at risk. Instead management find out who's going to strike & cover their shift with agency nurses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good on em, the nurses deserve better pay etc. I do hope it all works out for the better for our nurses in the NHS...!

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

"Until such times as politicians that are on £80-£100k a year stop giving themselves 7% pay rises and freezing public service pay then nothing will change.

The UK is short of nurses because they’ve had enough and fucked off to better paid jobs.

I'm not one to defend politicians, but there are over 7000 NHS staff paid more than an MPs salary.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong place for cost savings."

And they are NOT nurses on the wards or emergency departments

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By *cloversCouple
over a year ago

Hull

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

It's not just about pay - patient safety, working longer hours without pay, not enough nurses coming through because of retirement & bursaries no longer available. We cannot recruitment from overseas & ethically why should we be depleting healthcare services & damaging patient care there when we need to resolve our own problems here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be striking. I am grateful to have a job I enjoy. If I wanted more money that much I would leave and seek employment elsewhere."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And then they went and fucked the economy even further and sent inflation soaring.

Yes that's why its the same or higher in the whole of the EU.

But... we're not in the EU..."

Exactly!thats what he is saying to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And then they went and fucked the economy even further and sent inflation soaring.

Yes that's why its the same or higher in the whole of the EU.

But... we're not in the EU...

Exactly!thats what he is saying to you. "

Thanks Lorna !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good on them I say! They deserve better pay. When are the politicians going to take a pay cut? Half of them don't even need a wage or expenses. There should be a rule for government if you're a millionaire you shouldn't get a wage or expenses but they can charge for tv and public appearances. People who work for government should do it for the love of the people and country not for the love of money as they are! They get a ridiculous amount of tax payers money and they got the cheek to order people who save lives a pittance! Disgusting!

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"There are some professions that shouldn’t be permitted to strike …. I believe this is one of them

I understand their plight for better pay but striking isn’t going to get them what they want

Where do all these trains drivers, bus drivers, barristers, solicitors, nurses .. think they money to fund a pay increase is going to come from

Having a similar discussion with jools earlier she's a nurse.

We both agreed that a major overhaul of the NHS is required.

Not just to streamline the management system but to fix broken practices that cost millions.

For example they no longer reuse crutches and boots.

Instead of deep cleaning which would be fairly easy with a steam cleaning device and just replacing the insert of the boot they throw it away.

What the NHS require is an independent auditors to look at every aspect to see where waste is happening, not at front line staff,but equipment waste and administrative red tape."

Lol, "independent auditors" and you're literally talking about reduced waste. You have no clue how that works then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

Some nurses were furloughed if they were identified as people who should be shielding, I personally know somebody who was furloughed for this very reason for about 8 weeks but then started doing E consulting, Some non clinical staff were also fairload but I think this was in the minority and for the same reason as mentioned above.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I love to strike a female nurse between her legs."

Wow!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I won't be striking. I am grateful to have a job I enjoy. If I wanted more money that much I would leave and seek employment elsewhere."

But it's not just about you as an individual.

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By *cloversCouple
over a year ago

Hull

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike! "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

I will add A lot of medical staff that were not need in their roles due to stoppage of services were redeployed or seconded. I had a friend who part of the school nurse team who was put on a children's respiratory ward and a friend who was a dental receptionist in an NSH hospital who was put in a testing center as part of the admin team and another who was a healthcare assistant in a GP practice put in A&E.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

You are both wrong I'm afraid because shielding was completely separate to furlough. Those who were told to shield were only entitled to statutory sick pay unless their employer decided to furlough them instead so actually it was done in their best interests maybe a little research is needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike! "

Any nurse that was told to shield or any member of staff would have been shielding unless they decided to keep that from their employer because my friend who was told to shield said she didn't want to and they told her that the insurance would not cover her and she was not allowed to work so like I said I think you need to do a little more research and fact checking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

Are you an NHS worker ? Do you see what is going on in the wards ? Do you go over your 12 hour shift cuz a colleague hasn’t come in ? Do you worry for your patients health ? Do you go home knackered and worry all night what you’re gonna go into the next day ? NO I don’t think you do…… don’t get me started on this when you have NO CLUE what we nurses deal with on a daily basis please don’t ! I’m not here to argue with people who don’t experience it first hand and only read the papers or watch the news or listen to the government ! Jeez !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

For someone that's not here to argue you definitely seen rather argumentative. Could you explain how my response simply saying the person was right and some nurses were furloughed warranted your little outburst? What has any of what you have written got anything to do with my post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

Plus seeing as you have no idea what my situation is probably best you don't assume anything.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

Why the fuck would we send in the army ?? Out of all the people to strike they deserve so much more .. they got persecuted during covid .. we all had freedom to choose to decline the vaccine and they was forced or sacked that's disgusting.. they do a great job they deserve more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

Because you are going by what people have told you and not from first hand experience ! It’s not an outburst it’s stating facts ! Anyway won’t give you anymore ammunition to try and wind me up as it doesn’t work ! Toodles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

No you just thought you would use what I said even though it was factually correct to have a rant at me and that is out of order and like I said seeing as you don't know anything about me it's probably best you assume nothing everything I have written is factual and available on the oms website if you would like to check. Please could you answer the question as to what your little rant had anything to do with my post please.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated. "

They have now yeah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah "

Exactly

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By *lubCouple500Couple
over a year ago

Paradise Island

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

To shoot the nurses? Or to run the hospitals?

Neither is wise Tom."

Are you not aware that the Army have a highly skilled medical division for obvious reasons ?

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly "

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?"

You stated nhs staff were sacked if they didn't take the vaccine and that was not true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good on them I say! They deserve better pay. When are the politicians going to take a pay cut? Half of them don't even need a wage or expenses. There should be a rule for government if you're a millionaire you shouldn't get a wage or expenses but they can charge for tv and public appearances. People who work for government should do it for the love of the people and country not for the love of money as they are! They get a ridiculous amount of tax payers money and they got the cheek to order people who save lives a pittance! Disgusting! "

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?

You stated nhs staff were sacked if they didn't take the vaccine and that was not true. "

Because my best friends wife was forced to take the vaccines to confine to work in an NHS care home .. whatever your opinion is I'm fine with it not here to argue

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?

You stated nhs staff were sacked if they didn't take the vaccine and that was not true.

Because my best friends wife was forced to take the vaccines to confine to work in an NHS care home .. whatever your opinion is I'm fine with it not here to argue "

Except there are no nhs care homes. Care homes may be run by private companies, voluntary or charity organisations, or sometimes by local councils, taken from the NHS website.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*"

Salted or sweet

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*

Salted or sweet

Both. We'll need plenty

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?

You stated nhs staff were sacked if they didn't take the vaccine and that was not true.

Because my best friends wife was forced to take the vaccines to confine to work in an NHS care home .. whatever your opinion is I'm fine with it not here to argue

Except there are no nhs care homes. Care homes may be run by private companies, voluntary or charity organisations, or sometimes by local councils, taken from the NHS website. "

Ok cool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*

Salted or sweet

Both. We'll need plenty

Sorted ….. wine or spirits

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*

Salted or sweet

Both. We'll need plenty

Sorted ….. wine or spirits

I'm tee total but I'll chip in for the party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do hope that the government tries to say, it's us or the nurses, who do you love more. *Popcorn*

Salted or sweet

Both. We'll need plenty

Sorted ….. wine or spirits

I'm tee total but I'll chip in for the party."

Plenty of lemonade then

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

I think that you could perhaps explain what you are trying to say in greater detail to save us all a deal of confusion about your viewpoint - no malice intended btw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

I think that you could perhaps explain what you are trying to say in greater detail to save us all a deal of confusion about your viewpoint - no malice intended btw"

If you had read what was written I think it's quite clear I was simply saying it was factual that some nurses were furloughed,I don't understand what there is not to understand about that. It's on the oms website and the Royal college of nursing so it's not disputable.

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

I think Nusing staff should be given back responsibility for running their departments. I think there are inefficiencies in the NHS - i know it as i did a contract on NHS IT side and their Non clinical staff ( on the site I was based) were woeful, under skilled , overwhelmed and largely clueless. The one guy who did know the score and was pushing for change was gagged by his superior a former matron with no interest or ability or understanding of IT who didn’t want to change things that were easily fixable and horribly broken. The clinical staff were outstanding but increasingly doing admin instead of nursing. I don’t know how they do it

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

I think that you could perhaps explain what you are trying to say in greater detail to save us all a deal of confusion about your viewpoint - no malice intended btw"

It's like she's full of anger but no one knows what actually about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

I think that you could perhaps explain what you are trying to say in greater detail to save us all a deal of confusion about your viewpoint - no malice intended btw

It's like she's full of anger but no one knows what actually about "

Can you stop being personal I am not full of anger I have stated facts I have showed where those are available please can you just stop because there's no need for you to be personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

NHS staff weren't furloughed they either continued within their roles, were redeployed or were shielding AKA working from home. So I'm assuming the furloughed staff discussed above were working for the private sector in some capacity?? But I struggle to workout what that would be? Cosmetics maybe....

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

No they were not I personally know somebody who worked in an nhs hospital as a nurse on a renal ward Who was furloughed for 8 weeks before she was redeployed. The reason for this was so they could carry out a risk assessment and decide what was in the best interest of her and the trust. They put her on furlough for that period until they could work out what to do next and she was not the only one. As I have already stated it even explains this on the Royal college of nursing's website for anybody that would like to go and have a look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think Nusing staff should be given back responsibility for running their departments. I think there are inefficiencies in the NHS - i know it as i did a contract on NHS IT side and their Non clinical staff ( on the site I was based) were woeful, under skilled , overwhelmed and largely clueless. The one guy who did know the score and was pushing for change was gagged by his superior a former matron with no interest or ability or understanding of IT who didn’t want to change things that were easily fixable and horribly broken. The clinical staff were outstanding but increasingly doing admin instead of nursing. I don’t know how they do it "

Some of us do admin as well as we have to to get the job done, I’ve done a lot of roles but it comes with the job, the RCN don’t know everything

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

But we already have army medics working in hospitals and have done for decades. Also they scrapped sacking clinical staff in nhs facilities that had not been vaccinated.

They have now yeah

Exactly

Exactly what ? Are we in an argument that I'm not aware of ?

You stated nhs staff were sacked if they didn't take the vaccine and that was not true. "

They were threatened with this until the plan was dropped at the 11th hour when someone realised there would be a big shortage of staff as many flat out refused.

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By *cloversCouple
over a year ago

Hull

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

And you may need to read what I said - furlough & shielding was two different things so I'm not wrong am I??

You later say that staff who were shielding were put on sick pay??? I don't know anyone in NHS who shielding who was put on sick pay??? They were not furloughed. Where was this? Which Trust? Because if that's the case I would be involving the unions.

To be fair I only work in the NHS - what would I know after turning up everyday to physically work whilst my husband, also an NHS worker, had to shield?

Not that I'm sure what the heck any of this has to do with striking mind you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

How strange! I've worked for 2 trusts since the beginning of the pandemic and neither of them used furlough, infact I have never heard of any trust doing that. I'm sure my colleagues who were shielding would be glad they didn't work for the trust you've mentioned as they were able to work from home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

Have a look on the Royal college of nursing's websight and the uns because that will tell you everything you need to know. I have no idea which trusts used furlough in the scenarios I have explained. Like I said the information is out there in the public domain if you would like to look for it.

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By *oah VailMan
over a year ago

Dover

“Send in the Army…”

It was the same cry when there was a shortage of lorry drivers.

There are only 80,000 odd people in the Army, of all ranks, from cooks to generals. I doubt, no matter how well trained they are, that even if you managed to magically get every single medically qualified soldier dispersed across the NHS on strike days that they’d be more than a drop in the ocean compared to what’s needed.

The simple solution to the issue is to pay them what they’re worth. Clapping and banging pans doesn’t keep the wolf from the door.

Anyone who was regarded as a “key worker” during the pandemic shouldn’t have to be striking for fair pay today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

Well said

Not well said though is it because the person was right some nurses were furloughed! Where did I say it was wrong? people need to get off their high horses and read properly what is written.

And you may need to read what I said - furlough & shielding was two different things so I'm not wrong am I??

To be fair I only work in the NHS - what would I know after turning up everyday to physically work whilst my husband, also an NHS worker, had to shield?

Not that I'm sure what the heck any of this has to do with striking mind you.

I don't either I simply stated that some nurses were furloughed as very clearly stated on the Royal college of nursing website this also happened in Scotland too.

Plenty of people including yourself then felt the need to jump on me and tell me I was wrong and know nothing I am simply telling you of a personal experience and something I have read on a reputable website.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

I'm sorry to say nothing you read on websites will be the factual truth ... NHS is owned by the government whatever they decide or want to be seen as the truth they will make public .. the news doesn't tell the truth .. it's all corrupt .. FACT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

The strike is only relevant to NHS nurses and any pay rise as a result will help all staff that work for the NHS, apart from doctors as they have their own pay scale.

As far as I was aware the Royal college of nursing is an independent body so I'm not sure why you are now trying to say the government can't be trustead and are corrupt as far as I know that's nothing to do with the RCN.

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

Some of us do admin as well as we have to to get the job done, I’ve done a lot of roles but it comes with the job, the RCN don’t know everything

Why would your experience as an NHS nurse matter? I personally know someone who was furloughed so my opinion trumps yours!

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

"Reports that nurses are to strike. Is it time to send in the army?

What nurses got furlough?

Seriously I know of no nurse that was furloughed

Where are these nurse???

My vote for strike and / or industrial.action will be posted this week. I worked "bloody hard through it" & I am very much supportive of the action!

That's not furloughed tho is it?? Shielding was a totally different thing. And to be honest many nurses who were shielding still worked - in a different way but were still working.

Or should those nurses or any health worker for that matter who had health problems been forced into work? Christ on a bike!

I think that you could perhaps explain what you are trying to say in greater detail to save us all a deal of confusion about your viewpoint - no malice intended btw

It's like she's full of anger but no one knows what actually about "

Underrated comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Re furlough...

The government expects that publicly funded organisations will not use the scheme. (furlough) However, this is an important resource for members working in the independent sector who may be affected by a reduction of work during the coming winter months.

Joanne Galbraith-Marten

RCN Head of Legal (Employment)

I managed a nursing team during covid and had staff who, due to health issue, had to shield, not furlough, I am not aware of any NHS nurses on furlough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of us do admin as well as we have to to get the job done, I’ve done a lot of roles but it comes with the job, the RCN don’t know everything

Why would your experience as an NHS nurse matter? I personally know someone who was furloughed so my opinion trumps yours!

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Could you show me where anyone has said that please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless things have changed a lot of nurses will strike on their breaks rather than just walk out completely. My mum was apart of nurses strikes years ago and worked throughout apart from her breaks where she joined the strikes before going back to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Public funded employees shielded on full pay.

Why stop their government funded pay and pay through the government funded furlough instead? Makes no difference.

Private sector employees were either furloughed or, if required to work, shielded and paid through the furlough scheme.

It's all semantics at the end of the day and not really that important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless things have changed a lot of nurses will strike on their breaks rather than just walk out completely. My mum was apart of nurses strikes years ago and worked throughout apart from her breaks where she joined the strikes before going back to work "

I'm assuming this was in 1988.

My aunt was a nurse in A&E and she told me the same thing that it was during breaks or if they had arranged cover, She did say though that they did work-to-rule during there shit on strike day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Public funded employees shielded on full pay.

Why stop their government funded pay and pay through the government funded furlough instead? Makes no difference.

Private sector employees were either furloughed or, if required to work, shielded and paid through the furlough scheme.

It's all semantics at the end of the day and not really that important."

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Public funded employees shielded on full pay.

Why stop their government funded pay and pay through the government funded furlough instead? Makes no difference.

Private sector employees were either furloughed or, if required to work, shielded and paid through the furlough scheme.

It's all semantics at the end of the day and not really that important."

There's no such thing as 'government funded.' It's your money!

Who would you like it to go to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Public funded employees shielded on full pay.

Why stop their government funded pay and pay through the government funded furlough instead? Makes no difference.

Private sector employees were either furloughed or, if required to work, shielded and paid through the furlough scheme.

It's all semantics at the end of the day and not really that important.

There's no such thing as 'government funded.' It's your money!

Who would you like it to go to?"

I was trying to keep it simple by using simple terminology

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I'm sorry to say nothing you read on websites will be the factual truth ... NHS is owned by the government whatever they decide or want to be seen as the truth they will make public .. the news doesn't tell the truth .. it's all corrupt .. FACT"

Well, as you said 'FACT' - and in capitals no less - at least we now know who to believe.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Anyone who was regarded as a “key worker” during the pandemic shouldn’t have to be striking for fair pay today. "

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over a year ago

Well, as you said 'FACT' - and in capitals no less - at least we now know who to believe.

Upper case trumps lower case, you can't argue with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How interesting

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