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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y 80/20 rule in action. 20% of guys get 80% of the action. Social media + apps are fuelling it " | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them... | |||
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"It's a very incomplete idea. There is no saying who the peng men picked. The peng men will only pick peng women ..... ( i just learned the word peng from Steve - I think it means buff or sex god. Hope so ) "  | |||
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"It's a very incomplete idea. There is no saying who the peng men picked. The peng men will only pick peng women ..... ( i just learned the word peng from Steve - I think it means buff or sex god. Hope so ) " Well if I’m describing myself that way then what do you think?  | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them..." Maybe watch further then if that’s what you got from the first 20 seconds | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them..." Not watched the vid...however, it is a well researched fact that women are attracted across social strata ...and upwards. They do not date downwards. Men tend to date irrelevant of social status. Prob more on boob size.  | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them... Not watched the vid...however, it is a well researched fact that women are attracted across social strata ...and upwards. They do not date downwards. Men tend to date irrelevant of social status. Prob more on boob size. "Well the video didn’t blame anyone (I’m only a few mins in) It’s discussing a variety of mens issues and it’s very telling how someone watches 20 seconds, labels it incel and turns it off And we Wonder why there is an issue | |||
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"We're judging men on what happens on Tinder?" No, I think mating using social media rather than meeting in person. So not Tinder specific. | |||
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"Don’t judge men or women by what happens on dating apps. 90% of it is based solely on looks. In the real world it’s completely different." True but sadly an awful lot only seek a partner on social media and that is the point. He also said something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. | |||
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"Hmmm, well all I got from it was - Young men may become violent due to not getting laid Women shouldn't be bothered if a bloke is bright or not Women shouldn't be so 'fussy' about looks Women should give more guys a 'chance' Uh huh "So men struggle because women exercise free choice. Well. Maybe men should work on themselves. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. " Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. | |||
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"Don’t judge men or women by what happens on dating apps. 90% of it is based solely on looks. In the real world it’s completely different. True but sadly an awful lot only seek a partner on social media and that is the point. He also said something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. " How proactive are this 30%? I haven’t ever used a dating app and I don’t think I ever would. My personality takes a bit of getting used to so it’s much easier to talk in person. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies." For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " Boys/Men have been in crisis since I was a teenager in secondary school in the 90s. In my twenties I went to uni and the men there seemed content enough. Then back into the real world and pressures of marriage and children and careers hit. Honestly I got nothing but don't live your life according to society. Be a Maverick. Society says I'm not a "preference" being black, immigrant, plus sized and low income. If I had listened to society for most of my life I would have had zero enjoyment over the last 20 years which has not been the case at all. | |||
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" I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them..." What was "a little misogynistic" about the video? | |||
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"So how many actually watched it? How many simply responded to others who had not watched it? For me the lesson is; it is important to form real world relationships rather than tap away at a phone screen. Nothing about incels, men being "entitled", women being the problem, and any other excuse. So single lonely men on Fab. Put your phone away and go out. Actually talk to people with a vagina. Who knows, they may actually swipe right in person! "I suspect most didn't actually watch the video. | |||
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"My view on this is that while women have diverse taste in men. In a fab/similar nsa social/play, many want their fantasy partner and generally that man is tall, ruggedly muscled and inked. I've got no chance! "Yes you do. | |||
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Is this part of a longer conversation as it raised some important things such as why are young American men checking out of college, why are they becoming more violent. Didn't mention suicide stats which is a somewhat obvious sign of a group in crisis. The stats for UK men under 30 are awful.
Some good points raised but also little insight into why they're important eg "men don't marry as much". Is that a sign that they're in crisis or is it that people marry later, marriage is less popular.
I really really dislike this from Bill Maher about mass shootings "usually some dude in Buffalo had somebody swiped left on him too much". FFS. Actually much of what Bill Maher said was questionable. Men "losing out to women" in college. "Women with degrees not marrying men who don't have degrees". Not very nuanced is it?
I also find the mention of men not having sex problematic. Especially combined with the 90/10 mention. There's an implication that women aren't giving men what they need to be less "lonely and lost". No info given on whether women under 30 are having sex for example. Not a very nuanced or thoughtful take on the issue overall. | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " Gawd, I had no idea I was in crisis until I read this thread! | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " Moral of the story...be one of those 4 guys | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y I lasted 20 seconds before thinking this might be just a little misogynistic and a little bit incel after the video appeared to blame women with degrees for not dating men without them..." Men who only last 20 seconds may struggle tbh | |||
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" Moral of the story...be one of those 4 guys "There are quite a few YouTube and social media channels focusing men on becoming 10% (or high value) males. This isn't a new thing. | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " Sounds like we mimic gorilla formations then? | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y Sounds like we mimic gorilla formations then?" You and me ain't nothing but mammals... | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y Sounds like we mimic gorilla formations then? You and me ain't nothing but mammals... "So let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel. | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal" Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. " Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y Gawd, I had no idea I was in crisis until I read this thread!" I am short, not gym ripped and not inked. Have no idea I am in crisis till read this. Will watch the video to be sure I am in crisis lol. Jokes aside. There is a place where there are more women then men. All looking for something, swiping right, wink and smile to all sort of guys. The place is called real world. Go offline and get your match. | |||
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"Men aren’t ‘in crisis’ because of Tinder. Or Fab. The world has been built on unjust patriarchal systems for so fucking long that a little fairness upsets fragile male egos and assumptions. Things are getting better for us all, with glimpses of a fairer society, but some men don’t see it that way. They look at women having a little more agency and see it as taking something away from men, instead of giving something to women they should always have had. Men shouldn’t be ‘pursuing’ women on Tinder at all, they should be hoping to find a match that works. And if 46 out of 50 women are all attracted to the same four men, maybe that’s because our society promotes a single standard of beauty and success instead of celebrating all types? Maybe that’s not womens’ fault, y’know?" This. Absolutely. | |||
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"Men aren’t ‘in crisis’ because of Tinder. Or Fab. The world has been built on unjust patriarchal systems for so fucking long that a little fairness upsets fragile male egos and assumptions. Things are getting better for us all, with glimpses of a fairer society, but some men don’t see it that way. They look at women having a little more agency and see it as taking something away from men, instead of giving something to women they should always have had. Men shouldn’t be ‘pursuing’ women on Tinder at all, they should be hoping to find a match that works. And if 46 out of 50 women are all attracted to the same four men, maybe that’s because our society promotes a single standard of beauty and success instead of celebrating all types? Maybe that’s not womens’ fault, y’know? This. Absolutely. " We have clear statistics showing lots of younger men are choosing to check out of many aspects of life from education to career and relationships. Suicide is still a huge and growing problem The above comment feels to me like it’s just brushing it off. “They’re just jealous that women are finally getting equality” It’s an attempt to undermine the issues and victim shame the people experiencing them. Whatever your thoughts are on why it’s happening, it is happening. | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal" Ah so that's what I need to do to meet men IRL - go to gigs! | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal Ah so that's what I need to do to meet men IRL - go to gigs! " Go BACKSTAGE at gigs  | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal Ah so that's what I need to do to meet men IRL - go to gigs! Go BACKSTAGE at gigs "Don't think anyone needs a 51 yo groupie | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal Ah so that's what I need to do to meet men IRL - go to gigs! Go BACKSTAGE at gigs
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"Your first mistake was watching Bill Maher." I would have thought people in here would love bill maher, the old liberal that he is. I have warmed to him in recent times however as he's turning his back on the woke craziness thats thats gradually shifting liberalism to the far left, soni applaud him for that. As for this piece, it was very interesting and had a lot of truth to it i think. Its an inevitable consequence of the remote world we are living in now, be it remote dating remote working etc. People are losing the ability and opportunity to communicate in person and young men are suffering from this the most. | |||
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"Don’t judge men or women by what happens on dating apps. 90% of it is based solely on looks. In the real world it’s completely different." Yes but the problem is that this is now becoming the real world. The real world as it used to be, is now online | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " one guy says.... Did he quote a study ? Tinder is also a one hit shot. It doesn't show what happens to the 40 odd women who the 4 men don't follow up with. (do all guys follow up on all tinder matches ?) Later on is the 30pc haven't had sex stat. But in the manosphere the other stat is that only 50pc of males passed on their genetic material. (They can do cool stuff with mitochondria irrc to help work this out). So it feels nowt new has changed. Our society has always seen a few men at the top. And a lot at the bottom. Hence patriarchal. Rather than a word that better implies all men. | |||
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"Hmmm, well all I got from it was - Young men may become violent due to not getting laid Women shouldn't be bothered if a bloke is bright or not Women shouldn't be so 'fussy' about looks Women should give more guys a 'chance' Uh huh
So men struggle because women exercise free choice.
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies." Repeat after me: Nobody is saying that, so you can pack your strawman away for today ok Regardless of the reasons behind it, its not good for humanity in general so rather than white knighting yourself silly, maybe just stand back for a second and engage in a constructive manner | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love." You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them | |||
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"I'm not sure that the Internet is a fair representation of reality. People are often not what they claim to be, and in real life there is a much more equal split of genders and sexualities compared to mainstream internet dating/hookup sites that are 80% straight blokes competing over women overwhelmed with offers... (sounds a bit like FAB) Cal Do you know anyone who meets people offline for dating or sex? I don't. Having played in bands for 35 years, I can confirm people (or at least musicians) are getting laid in analogue. Cal Ah so that's what I need to do to meet men IRL - go to gigs! Go BACKSTAGE at gigs
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them" I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations "What advice? Whos been dishing it out? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out? ""If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular. There you go. Helping. | |||
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"Bill maher is a terrible human and I wouldn't take what he says at face value
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping. "And to be fair, this is sound advice It applies to everyone. Men and women. If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice | |||
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"Men aren’t ‘in crisis’ because of Tinder. Or Fab. The world has been built on unjust patriarchal systems for so fucking long that a little fairness upsets fragile male egos and assumptions. Things are getting better for us all, with glimpses of a fairer society, but some men don’t see it that way. They look at women having a little more agency and see it as taking something away from men, instead of giving something to women they should always have had. Men shouldn’t be ‘pursuing’ women on Tinder at all, they should be hoping to find a match that works. And if 46 out of 50 women are all attracted to the same four men, maybe that’s because our society promotes a single standard of beauty and success instead of celebrating all types? Maybe that’s not womens’ fault, y’know? This. Absolutely. We have clear statistics showing lots of younger men are choosing to check out of many aspects of life from education to career and relationships. Suicide is still a huge and growing problem The above comment feels to me like it’s just brushing it off. “They’re just jealous that women are finally getting equality” It’s an attempt to undermine the issues and victim shame the people experiencing them. Whatever your thoughts are on why it’s happening, it is happening." Perhaps the comment you're replying to is referring to those in the Manosphere - the "some men" who do view equality and women in the ways described? There is certainly evidence on Fab of those views of women. Outside of that group, yes I agree that there is a problem for young men that we must acknowledge. All of us. I'm a mother of young men. I'm deeply concerned. | |||
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"Men aren’t ‘in crisis’ because of Tinder. Or Fab. The world has been built on unjust patriarchal systems for so fucking long that a little fairness upsets fragile male egos and assumptions. Things are getting better for us all, with glimpses of a fairer society, but some men don’t see it that way. They look at women having a little more agency and see it as taking something away from men, instead of giving something to women they should always have had. Men shouldn’t be ‘pursuing’ women on Tinder at all, they should be hoping to find a match that works. And if 46 out of 50 women are all attracted to the same four men, maybe that’s because our society promotes a single standard of beauty and success instead of celebrating all types? Maybe that’s not womens’ fault, y’know? This. Absolutely. We have clear statistics showing lots of younger men are choosing to check out of many aspects of life from education to career and relationships. Suicide is still a huge and growing problem The above comment feels to me like it’s just brushing it off. “They’re just jealous that women are finally getting equality” It’s an attempt to undermine the issues and victim shame the people experiencing them. Whatever your thoughts are on why it’s happening, it is happening. Perhaps the comment you're replying to is referring to those in the Manosphere - the "some men" who do view equality and women in the ways described? There is certainly evidence on Fab of those views of women. Outside of that group, yes I agree that there is a problem for young men that we must acknowledge. All of us. I'm a mother of young men. I'm deeply concerned. " Well those guys can do one. And I’m sure they’re a minority I’m Concerned for the entire generation. In multiple ways. I think men checking out is just the start of a larger problem | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice "Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'. If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice "For the specific issue of men not attracting women (which is what that segment is about), I'm not sure what else there is. Women have free agency and more choice than ever. I agree there are broader problems, but in terms of Tinder etc - work on yourself. (You is again general) | |||
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"Men aren’t ‘in crisis’ because of Tinder. Or Fab. The world has been built on unjust patriarchal systems for so fucking long that a little fairness upsets fragile male egos and assumptions. Things are getting better for us all, with glimpses of a fairer society, but some men don’t see it that way. They look at women having a little more agency and see it as taking something away from men, instead of giving something to women they should always have had. Men shouldn’t be ‘pursuing’ women on Tinder at all, they should be hoping to find a match that works. And if 46 out of 50 women are all attracted to the same four men, maybe that’s because our society promotes a single standard of beauty and success instead of celebrating all types? Maybe that’s not womens’ fault, y’know? This. Absolutely. We have clear statistics showing lots of younger men are choosing to check out of many aspects of life from education to career and relationships. Suicide is still a huge and growing problem The above comment feels to me like it’s just brushing it off. “They’re just jealous that women are finally getting equality” It’s an attempt to undermine the issues and victim shame the people experiencing them. Whatever your thoughts are on why it’s happening, it is happening. Perhaps the comment you're replying to is referring to those in the Manosphere - the "some men" who do view equality and women in the ways described? There is certainly evidence on Fab of those views of women. Outside of that group, yes I agree that there is a problem for young men that we must acknowledge. All of us. I'm a mother of young men. I'm deeply concerned. Well those guys can do one. And I’m sure they’re a minority I’m Concerned for the entire generation. In multiple ways. I think men checking out is just the start of a larger problem " And a massive contributory factor going forward i believe will be remote working. Young men need to be out every day, facing people, communicating in person, pushing themselves, exposing themselves (not literally). I see it in my own workplace, young guys not developing at all, becoming little more than a post office, passing work along rather than engaging and pushing themselves | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
For the specific issue of men not attracting women (which is what that segment is about), I'm not sure what else there is. Women have free agency and more choice than ever.
I agree there are broader problems, but in terms of Tinder etc - work on yourself. (You is again general)"I think that issue is going to effect the women just as bad as the men. It just takes the women a longer to feel it | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result"Smile, love, is the echo of the advice. It is often condescending and unsolicited. What are we supposed to do, have pity sex or even pity relationships? (Not a fucking chance) | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
For the specific issue of men not attracting women (which is what that segment is about), I'm not sure what else there is. Women have free agency and more choice than ever.
I agree there are broader problems, but in terms of Tinder etc - work on yourself. (You is again general)
I think that issue is going to effect the women just as bad as the men. It just takes the women a longer to feel it "So what do you propose? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Smile, love, is the echo of the advice. It is often condescending and unsolicited.
What are we supposed to do, have pity sex or even pity relationships? (Not a fucking chance)"No one’s even suggesting that. Calm down | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
For the specific issue of men not attracting women (which is what that segment is about), I'm not sure what else there is. Women have free agency and more choice than ever.
I agree there are broader problems, but in terms of Tinder etc - work on yourself. (You is again general)"Is the 'more choice' thing really beneficial to women though? Theyll all end up picking the same men in the end. Choice is on paper a wonderful thing, but a natural follow on from it then is restlessness, the 'grass is greener' syndrome. Then what do we have, soaring divorce rates, single parent homes, dysfuntional kids. And the carousel goes on... | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
For the specific issue of men not attracting women (which is what that segment is about), I'm not sure what else there is. Women have free agency and more choice than ever.
I agree there are broader problems, but in terms of Tinder etc - work on yourself. (You is again general)
I think that issue is going to effect the women just as bad as the men. It just takes the women a longer to feel it
So what do you propose?"I propose nothing. We can’t force behaviour. I think we are heading 100mph at a walk we can’t see. And it’s fuelled by a sudden expansion in technology like social media / apps etc (And many other issues, but this seems to be the thread topic) | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result"Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?"I've even been told - on my way to buy painkillers no less - that I'll never get a husband with that scowl on my face. By a stranger. I had a migraine and this person can shove his husband up his arse. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?"I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right. Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you? "I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you? "Just replying to the way the thread unfolded. You described Swing's comment as condescending. I'm saying women hear that stuff all the time, from strangers in the street/bus queue etc. I've not evaluated it, merely added it into the conversation. But yes, it's condescending but many men (maybe the ones struggling to find a relationship/sex??) seem to think it's acceptable. It's very widespread so it's not just the odd "bad apple". | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome."Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes? So why would you now be offering such advise? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
Just replying to the way the thread unfolded. You described Swing's comment as condescending. I'm saying women hear that stuff all the time, from strangers in the street/bus queue etc.
I've not evaluated it, merely added it into the conversation.
But yes, it's condescending but many men (maybe the ones struggling to find a relationship/sex??) seem to think it's acceptable. It's very widespread so it's not just the odd "bad apple". "So what's to be gained by parroting it back, i ask? | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y Sounds like we mimic gorilla formations then? You and me ain't nothing but mammals...
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel. "Let's! ...let's spread the love...this thread is becoming way to combative | |||
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"We're judging men on what happens on Tinder?" I've been on Tinder for almost a decade and haven't had 1 meet yet | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough " Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise? "Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else. I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships. I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't. | |||
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"I watched a piece from the latest Bill Maher show on YouTube. It is very thought provoking and worth seeing. One guy said "50 men and 50 women on Tinder. 46 women will pic the same 4 guys which leaves 46 guys persuing 4 women" Sounds a bit like Fab. Have a look. https://youtu.be/TAgUHyXr7_Y " I’d like to think I’m in that group of 4 | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? " I think it effects men more | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? I think it effects men more " Why might that be? Do we have any ideas? | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? I think it effects men more Why might that be? Do we have any ideas?" I think women tend to just be better social creature. Often with bigger friend groups, more open support for eachother, better at making new friends etc I think with technology is not only very easy, it’s desirable to lots of men, to retreat into a world of video games and online porn and just withdraw from society And obviously, I’m barely touching the sides there. I think it’s really complex | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? " Not necessarily. Men and women are different by nature obviously, of course the impacts will differ too | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't."Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women? "Bro spot the agenda. She’s obviously looking to argue There’s a few people on this thread actually talking about the issue. Stop wasting your energy and talk to them | |||
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"Anyways, now they’ve got it out their system I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough Is it only men who are using digital devices more and WFH? Surely that should have equal impact on the social skills of everyone, irrespective of gender? Not necessarily. Men and women are different by nature obviously, of course the impacts will differ too " It's presumably quite hard to have a physical relationship if everyone sits at home, on their devices? I mean, I've done mutual masturbation via live video call, but even the biggest penis would struggle to make its way through via WhatsApp or whatever. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women? "Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question. "Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Bro spot the agenda. She’s obviously looking to argue
There’s a few people on this thread actually talking about the issue. Stop wasting your energy and talk to them "So because I disagree with you, I don't have a perspective worth engaging with? Cool cool. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Bro spot the agenda. She’s obviously looking to argue
There’s a few people on this thread actually talking about the issue. Stop wasting your energy and talk to them "Fair enough. I still dont like to ignore or cut people off as deep down i think everyone has something to add of they really want | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Bro spot the agenda. She’s obviously looking to argue
There’s a few people on this thread actually talking about the issue. Stop wasting your energy and talk to them
Fair enough. I still dont like to ignore or cut people off as deep down i think everyone has something to add of they really want"Some just want to watch the world burn. You get 175 posts in this, don’t waste them arguing with that. Thanks to the few actually engaging in the topic | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in."Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes | |||
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"… Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes" I actually don’t think any gender is to blame. Blame makes me think they did it on purpose. I think this is just what happens when this technology gets out there. No one’s to blame, but we should work together for a solution | |||
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"… Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes I actually don’t think any gender is to blame. Blame makes me think they did it on purpose. I think this is just what happens when this technology gets out there. No one’s to blame, but we should work together for a solution " Fair point, i guess a more accurate way of putting it is that we both burden responsibility for it. Technology is the tool, but its men and women who have given it the power. We're reaping what we sowed now | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes"Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?"Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? "And you bit.. That’ll do me guys, I’ll take this kinda chat to Reddit where it’s not just endless circle arguments seeing who can sling the most shit at eachother | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? "Because I don't want to. Why should I have to? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? "I've never used a dating app, so forgive my ignorance, but surely you only "choose" the profiles that you are interested in? If 46 out of 50 do not interest, why would you choose them? If it's anything like here, I'm not surprised. Most of the unsolicited contacts we receive do not interest us in the slightest. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? "Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though? Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own? Or were yiu being ironic? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
I've never used a dating app, so forgive my ignorance, but surely you only "choose" the profiles that you are interested in? If 46 out of 50 do not interest, why would you choose them? If it's anything like here, I'm not surprised. Most of the unsolicited contacts we receive do not interest us in the slightest. "Look just shaggy the 4 you fancy and hand out a few sympathy shags as consolation prizes, if all the women did that men would be happy | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Because I don't want to.
Why should I have to?"You don't have to, not at all. But that contributes to the cycle. I will refer back to the earlier stat again though, all the other women are swiping yes on the same 4 guys, so what good is it doing you? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
I've never used a dating app, so forgive my ignorance, but surely you only "choose" the profiles that you are interested in? If 46 out of 50 do not interest, why would you choose them? If it's anything like here, I'm not surprised. Most of the unsolicited contacts we receive do not interest us in the slightest.
Look just shaggy the 4 you fancy and hand out a few sympathy shags as consolation prizes, if all the women did that men would be happy"Would stickers or certificates be an acceptable alternative to putting my lady bits on the line?? | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Because I don't want to.
Why should I have to?
You don't have to, not at all. But that contributes to the cycle.
I will refer back to the earlier stat again though, all the other women are swiping yes on the same 4 guys, so what good is it doing you?"I don't control all the other women, nor do I want to. I don't know how they think. We're not a monolith. The good I get out of the situation is maybe meeting someone I want to, and eliminating those I don't want to. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though?
Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own?
Or were yiu being ironic? "Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys. Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created? | |||
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" Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys. Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created? " I'm getting to "not wasting my time on someone I don't want to meet". Which is a win. | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? " Change fatherless homes to “good male role models” | |||
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"Just to clarify before I’m out, I completely disagree with this guy. Women should do whatever they want, as should men. No one should swipe or fuck or cuddle or anything, someone they don’t want to, for any reason, ever. And it’s not “contributing” to the problem. It’s just what happens I was hoping this would be a convo about where dong whatever you want leads us, and what we can do to make it better " Im not necessarily advocating forced swiping yes or anything like that. Im really just highlighting the issue the online world has created. Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. | |||
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"I haven’t watched the video, so just taking a stab in the dark at this one. In a nutshell, I would say it boils down to the following, for both men and women: More choice & less effort = less commitment & less loyalty, giving shorter relationships & more issues, causing more heartache. And repeat… "Youre not a million miles off it there to be honest | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? " Well in the vast majority of single parent homes, it is the father who is absent. Divorce courts will almost always place the child with the mother. Hence why motherless homes are a rarity | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? " Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys " Correct. | |||
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"A lot of men should get off tinder (and fab) and start doing some old fashioned talking to ppl. The "low effort" is a two way street. " I agree, but I’d apply that to everyone and not just men Bring back the old fashioned way of dating… Heck the art of conversation is dying sadly | |||
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"A lot of men should get off tinder (and fab) and start doing some old fashioned talking to ppl. The "low effort" is a two way street. I agree, but I’d apply that to everyone and not just men Bring back the old fashioned way of dating… Heck the art of conversation is dying sadly "Yep. Add remote working into the mix then and were heading down a slippery slope | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys " Link? | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? Well in the vast majority of single parent homes, it is the father who is absent. Divorce courts will almost always place the child with the mother. Hence why motherless homes are a rarity " I know a couple of lovely kids in motherless homes. Seems to work well for them. Those are by choice. Yes, hardly conclusive evidence, but still. | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? Well in the vast majority of single parent homes, it is the father who is absent. Divorce courts will almost always place the child with the mother. Hence why motherless homes are a rarity I know a couple of lovely kids in motherless homes. Seems to work well for them. Those are by choice. Yes, hardly conclusive evidence, but still. " Yes of course there will always be exceptions and thank god for that. But studies show overwhelmingly that kids develop better when coming from 2 parent homes | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? " I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread" Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? Well in the vast majority of single parent homes, it is the father who is absent. Divorce courts will almost always place the child with the mother. Hence why motherless homes are a rarity I know a couple of lovely kids in motherless homes. Seems to work well for them. Those are by choice. Yes, hardly conclusive evidence, but still. Yes of course there will always be exceptions and thank god for that. But studies show overwhelmingly that kids develop better when coming from 2 parent homes " These children have two parents of the male persuasion. | |||
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Yep. Add remote working into the mix then and were heading down a slippery slope"Well that will make it worse. But you’ve got to remember/realise that internet dating and online interactions aren’t going to go away. It’ll never be like the old fashioned way. Instead it would be worth thinking of ways on how to adapt and make the new way you date and interact better for you… | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though?
Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own?
Or were yiu being ironic?
Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys.
Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created? "Is there any truth in the statistic? Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option?? | |||
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""I think a good start is looking at how people are communicating. It’s too much phone, not enough in person. WFH doesn’t help this. How can we expect men to get into relationships if they lack social skills And that’s just a start. It’s such a deep topic. Fatherless homes don’t help. This recent attack on young men doesn’t help. The recession we are about to go into won’t help. It’s tough. " Which recent attack on young men are you referring to? Fatherless homes - are you attributing that to the breakup of families or the inability of some men to want to continue to parent after the relationship has broken down or something else? And what do you suggest is a societal response to the issue? Why do fatherless homes impact more than motherless ones for instance? Well in the vast majority of single parent homes, it is the father who is absent. Divorce courts will almost always place the child with the mother. Hence why motherless homes are a rarity I know a couple of lovely kids in motherless homes. Seems to work well for them. Those are by choice. Yes, hardly conclusive evidence, but still. Yes of course there will always be exceptions and thank god for that. But studies show overwhelmingly that kids develop better when coming from 2 parent homes " But if fathers don't engage and choose every other weekend to see their kids (which is the default for the vast majority of men I've encountered) then male role models from other spheres are more important. Note that I completely believe male role models are important. But I am a single mother and my kids rarely see their dad. Not my choice. | |||
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" Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women? Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question. "Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in. Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder? Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though? Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own? Or were yiu being ironic? Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys. Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created? Is there any truth in the statistic? Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option??" Can we move away from "blaming women" in this discussion? It's not very helpful. | |||
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" Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women? Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question. "Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in. Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder? Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more? Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though? Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own? Or were yiu being ironic? Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys. Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created? Is there any truth in the statistic? Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option?? Can we move away from "blaming women" in this discussion? It's not very helpful. " I mean using that as an excuse and as a reason not to engage in the topic of the thread. | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. " First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing | |||
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"I suspect theres also a feedback loop here. Men: swipe right on everyone. The Tinder tap. Only looks if someone is worth messaging after matching. Women: joins up. Gets a load of hits from tinder tappers. Thinks they have a load of suitors. Become super selective, more so in real life. Statisticans: all women are after a small number of guys. " I’ve never used online dating apps But for the sake of the post to what you’ve said, then I’d suggest men stop swiping right on everyone… Would you really want to date every one of those women? Be selective and choose who you’d date wisely not just try and match for the sake of it… Surely if all the men were more selective then it would be a better experience all around? | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing" How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't? | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing" America is a very different kettle of fish. Sex outside of relationships is, in general, more frowned upon. There's a strong evangelical Christian streak through the country and lots of pro-celibacy movements going into schools and colleges. I don't think US stats are directly comparable to the UK. | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though?
Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own?
Or were yiu being ironic?
Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys.
Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created?
Is there any truth in the statistic?
Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option??"Once again, we're not blaming women. As for the stats, i havent verified them,i wouldnt know how. But we're just discussing anyway on the assumption that they are accurate | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't?" Obviously women are becoming nuns or something..... | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing" But men dint have an entitlement to sex? | |||
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"A lot of men should get off tinder (and fab) and start doing some old fashioned talking to ppl. The "low effort" is a two way street. I agree, but I’d apply that to everyone and not just men Bring back the old fashioned way of dating… Heck the art of conversation is dying sadly
Yep. Add remote working into the mix then and were heading down a slippery slope"I think we’re all looking for a connection of sorts. I wish I could link another video I’ve seen - I’ve forgotten who it was
They recommended that whatever hobby or interest you have, make it more social, in order to make a genuine connection with new people.
For example if you enjoy cooking, attend a cooking course with others. Or running, join a running club. Play an instrument? Join a local band.
I thought about this, as I always used to meet 1-1 and then decided to try swinging clubs. I’m so glad I did!
We are hardwired to connect with others, it’s what gives purpose and meaning to our lives, and without it there is suffering.
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though?
Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own?
Or were yiu being ironic?
Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys.
Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created?
Is there any truth in the statistic?
Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option??
Once again, we're not blaming women. As for the stats, i havent verified them,i wouldnt know how. But we're just discussing anyway on the assumption that they are accurate"What reason do you have to believe they are accurate? | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't? Obviously women are becoming nuns or something....." It's only relevant that men are not having sex if there is comparison with women. Surely. | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't?" I dont know the answer to that as it hadn't formed part of the discussion. I dont have that stat | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing But men dint have an entitlement to sex? " Sigh. Nobody is saying they do. But the fear is that its leading to a disconnection for a lot of young men. Checking out from work, checking out from relationships, human contact etc. None of that is going to be beneficial to anyone in the medium or long term | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't? I dont know the answer to that as it hadn't formed part of the discussion. I dont have that stat" A quick Google. The Washington Post published details of a large scale survey in 2019 "For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers." | |||
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"… something like 30% of under 30 men did not have sex in the last year; and that is not good on many levels. Repeat after me: Men do not have the right to sex. Men do not have the right to women’s attention. Men do not have the right to womens’ bodies. For generations women have been told to contort themselves to be good enough to snag a man. To survive. Now we can survive on our own - maybe men should take the same advice they've been dishing out. Smile, love. You do realise we're all in this together dont you? We're all part of humanity so why are you being so divisive about it? If there are problems then it is in all our interests to help solve them I am helping. Take the advice you've been dishing out for generations
What advice? Whos been dishing it out?
"If you're not getting the relationships you want, work on yourself. Smile, be more pleasant, be more desirable, be more pretty, be clever but not too clever" etc
It's pretty common. You is, of course, general, and is not aimed at you in particular.
There you go. Helping.
And to be fair, this is sound advice
It applies to everyone. Men and women.
If your not getting what you want, either accept it or get better
But it still doesn’t solve the entire issue. But it is good advice
Oh absolutely, and its exactly what Jordan peterson, for example, would say. This wasnt she said initially though, rather her first suggestion was a rather condescending 'smile, love'.
If, by and large, the same few men are having sex with all the women, that benefits absolutely nobody in the long run. Even the few men who are having the sex, as they will be unable to form long lasting meaningful relationships as a result
Women get told to "smile love, it'll never happen" etc all the damn time. In public, by random men. It's not nice, is it?
I have no idea what relevance that is to the issue at hand to be honest. Unless youre the type of person that believes 2 wrongs therefore make a right.
Are you more interested in exploring a constructive solution or just looking to get even with some men who were bad to you?
I'm offering the advice I've had all my life. You're welcome.
Ok but you acknowledge that this 'advise' was irritating and unhelpful yes?
So why would you now be offering such advise?
Because I think a good many men should consider this before looking to broader issues, particularly when only considering the narrow world of online dating rather than everything else.
I saw a paper recently that - related, I'm not saying it's the same data - said that socially undesirable men faced more difficulty than ever in finding relationships.
I just think it's remarkable that women are blamed both when we can't find relationships, but also when men can't.
Im not sure where youre getting the 'women are to blame' thing from. Has anyone in this threadaid the blame solely at the feet of women?
Nope. Blame on women is at least implied in the thread in question.
"Solely" is a shifting of the goalposts too. I didn't say solely or anything like it. You're reading that in.
Look if youre going to go into the realm of what you believe is being implied then we're just going to go around in circles. The reason i put solely in there is because of course women are partly to blame, as are men. The 2 genders are intrinsically linked in everything we do. Both are responsible for the issue just as both are responsible for issues women have also. This isn't a battle between the sexes
Why am I responsible for men not being able to match on Tinder?
Well, if you want to be the simplistic about it, on average youre swiping no to 46 out of every 50 guys. Why not swipe yes more?
Kinda proves the point that women should lower their standards to make men feel desired though?
Maybe men should accept that's no one else's responsibility other than their own?
Or were yiu being ironic?
Im not being ironic at all. That's what the stats tell us. As for this 'standards' comment, where are these lofty standards getting her? Nowhere. Why? Because shes swiping yes on the same 4 guys.
Perhaps her standards are artificially high, driven by the 'kid in a candy store' mentality that online dating has created?
Is there any truth in the statistic?
Or is it like when men on here claim there are a thousand men to each woman, or that women only want young/old/tall/short/ripped/dad bods or the myriad of excuses they find to blame women for their lack of success rather than take any responsibility. Because blaming women us always the easy option??
Once again, we're not blaming women. As for the stats, i havent verified them,i wouldnt know how. But we're just discussing anyway on the assumption that they are accurate
What reason do you have to believe they are accurate?"Look, im not here to verify or dispute these stats. Youre getting hung up on them They were mentioned on Real Time last night so we're just discussing them on the basis they are correct. If you dont want to do likewise, thats fine | |||
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" Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. " This 90:10% ratio has been going round for years, it really isn't something new. https://www.quora.com/Do-90-of-women-really-only-seek-10-of-all-men - The first poster here provides a pretty plausible explanation. A number of mens podcasts have been talking about it for some time. | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. " You are... But don't be deterred champ
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't? I dont know the answer to that as it hadn't formed part of the discussion. I dont have that stat A quick Google. The Washington Post published details of a large scale survey in 2019 "For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers."" Wow. That is stark | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing But men dint have an entitlement to sex? Sigh. Nobody is saying they do. But the fear is that its leading to a disconnection for a lot of young men. Checking out from work, checking out from relationships, human contact etc. None of that is going to be beneficial to anyone in the medium or long term" Is the disconnection caused by lack of sex, or are there deeper causes? I do agree that there are deeper social issues, and I suspect that masculinity will require examination as femininity has done (as well as the questioning of that binary). But the way this has been framed, it smacks of entitlement. Do you know what happened when I couldn't attract anyone for awhile? I was sad. I didn't blame anyone except myself. I didn't think it was a crisis. I just got on with life, being a bit sad. | |||
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" Its funnelling most of the women down the narrow bottle neck of a small number of guys. Is it? What's the evidence for this? Stats from dating apps, as mentioned throughout the thread. On average, in any given 50 men on tinder, the majority of women are swiping yes to the same 4 guys Link? I dont have a link, it was mentioned in bill mahers show last night, which is what started this thread Do you not think it might be worth checking out if it's actually true? Bill Maher is not exactly some top notch, super accurate journalist. A quick Google doesn't show any evidence for this claim, though I may of course be missing it. First of all it wasnt bill with the stat, it was scott galloway. Another worrying stat from it was that only 1 in every 3 men under 30 has had sex in the last year. Yes, these are american stats but can hardly imagine they are wildly different to this side of the world. Doubt the stats if you want, but if they are true then i dont think anybody could view them as anything other than disturbing How often are women having sex? It can't only be of concern if men aren't? I dont know the answer to that as it hadn't formed part of the discussion. I dont have that stat A quick Google. The Washington Post published details of a large scale survey in 2019 "For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers."" interesting. As was the later sections. Possible correlation with employment, living with rents and other things to do. So all stuff that is partly volcel. | |||
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