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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I’m sure I could do 100m faster than the secretary for sport. Zero shits given

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Not fair. Look to her record.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

I don't suppose a fit bird, 25 leggy, blonde, goes like a loco would be chosen...worse luck!

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By *hirdTimesACharmCouple
over a year ago

northamptonshire

Health secretary should embody what their role is. It’s not body shaming. Would you want a fat firefighter to save you from a burning building, even though a healthy firefighter has a higher chance of saving you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Health secretary should embody what their role is. It’s not body shaming. Would you want a fat firefighter to save you from a burning building, even though a healthy firefighter has a higher chance of saving you?"

That’s like saying education secretary should pass GCSEs.

There’s more to health than fitness. Young fit strong people can get cancer.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Should the defence Secretary look like a French partisan or a Viet Cong with an AK47 covered in twigs and leaves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does her role involve her giving you advice on how to remain healthy? Or is she there to make decision. To improve the health system? Make changes for it to benefit all/more?

If her role improves the wellbeing of nurses and doctors and health caters etc which in turn improves the nations health then does it matter what she looks like?

If her lifestyle has an affect on the system I.e she uses the NHS for treatment then perhaps she needs to reconsider her lifestyle ….

I wouldn’t say I use her advice but instead use that of experts in the field of fitness and healthy living …

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By *eamworkboyMan
over a year ago

Irvine

I heard the interview with Nick Ferrari and all he asked was she the ideal role model for the NHS as she and indeed himself were overweight, she was wheezing throughout the interview, apparently she likes a cigar.

She is Truss,s best mate, maybe that's why she got the gig ??

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle? "

I think in this instance I want a robust independent civil service with experience in (in this instance) health - and an experienced politician with credibility in their prior work.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

There's an unfortunate picture of her d*unk, smoking and drink down her top, it's not a great look but there's a huge element of misogyny in repeatedky shaming her over that.

She should be judged by her voting record not her appearance. And for that reason she is an atrocious choice.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't give a shit about what she looks like. Her views and voting history on same sex marriage and abortion rights should definitely count her out though.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a shit about what she looks like. Her views and voting history on same sex marriage and abortion rights should definitely count her out though. "

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

london


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them "

Yes but that’s for the little people so they don’t cause a further drain on the NHS - no doubt she has a Harley St consultant who advises her how poor value the NHS is and advises her that it’s not a problem getting shit faced on brandy and cigars if you are overweight and can afford private healthcare.

For the record I like big girls and she strikes me as a fuck site more intelligent than Cosplay Truss but I am not a fan of the smell of yesterday’s red wine and cigars so it’s a no from me

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

More concerned about her views on abortion to be honest.

Wasn't the discussion yesterday that man can be a period officer? So why can't an overweight person be a health minister?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

"

Just another day of taking women in politics seriously

It's depressing isn't it

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them "

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

should we sack any member of staff working for the nhs who is overweight, smokes or Doesn't look after their health in a way they probably should.

I'm finding the responses quite interesting because the general consensus on the thread about. Dignity officer was that it didn't have to be a woman because if it was and management and strategy role and this is no different in my opinion.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

Just another day of taking women in politics seriously

It's depressing isn't it"

Yep

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By *skyouneverknowMan
over a year ago

Calne

I quite like the pictures online of her smoking a big cigar with a pint and spillage down her top. It makes her seem almost human.

However, she is a Tory! The acid test ultimately is whether she is effective not what she looks like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"More concerned about her views on abortion to be honest.

Wasn't the discussion yesterday that man can be a period officer? So why can't an overweight person be a health minister? "

Sorry I didn't see this but I've pretty much just said the same thing actually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm more concerned about her record on abortion and same sex marriage

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'm more concerned about her record on abortion and same sex marriage"

Me too. What do you need to look like to hold those opinions I wonder

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

Some of you cleary don’t know what a Health Secretary’s responsibilities actually are, if you somehow think her body shape is a valid requirement and/or point of critique for the role, regardless of political affiliation.

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By *umalotagainMan
over a year ago

a town called _alice

Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?"

Can't see how anybody could suggest she's a role model for health.

As for whether it's relevant, obviously not given ministers are rarely well qualified for the positions given to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in "

That's far too sensible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of you cleary don’t know what a Health Secretary’s responsibilities actually are, if you somehow think her body shape is a valid requirement and/or point of critique for the role, regardless of political affiliation."

Exactly Just because somebody is overweight does not mean they cannot fulfil the job roll. The health secretary has overall financial control and oversight of NHS delivery and performance and oversight of social care policy.

How would people feel if somebody who was disabled was to be offered the role would they not be deemed suitable because they are not fully fit and healthy in a way thats acceptable for some in society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?

Can't see how anybody could suggest she's a role model for health.

As for whether it's relevant, obviously not given ministers are rarely well qualified for the positions given to them.

"

The health secretary is not meant to be a role model for health though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?

Can't see how anybody could suggest she's a role model for health.

As for whether it's relevant, obviously not given ministers are rarely well qualified for the positions given to them.

The health secretary is not meant to be a role model for health though. "

Thanks for confirming what I'd already said

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

london


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in "

Cannot fault you there!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Are we to look to politicians as role models now? God help every last one of us!

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester


"So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

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stick them all in a dark room and I am sure people will be happily hanging out the bask arse of all three

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She isn’t the fitness secretary. You can be overweight and perfectly healthy and you can be lean and very unhealthy.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Are we to look to politicians as role models now? God help every last one of us!"

There's a long standing tradition that we should assume good behaviour in politics, that they will abide by decency.

Tbh at this stage that's something that's really damaging to our institutions, and we should tear it up and write rules that reflect actual rather than ideal behaviour.

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By *apxxxWoman
over a year ago

North Shropshire not Wales!!!ffs & Manchester

It's not a requirement of her job to be the "perfect weight"..what is a requirement is to have unbiased opinions regarding health issues and she has aired her personal ones which don't necessarily sit right with others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The long standing tradition is for the plebs to assume good behaviour. While those above them get away with whatever they can.

We're all okay with this because we vote the same sort in over and over.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?"

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

stick them all in a dark room and I am sure people will be happily hanging out the bask arse of all three "

Can we have the lights on dim? I don’t like the dark

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her "

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?"

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


" Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle? "

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There are loads of doctors who lead unhealthy lifestyles!

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her "

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Try wearing a cobbler's shoes, you'll end up with bunions!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me "

You literally don't understand that medical conditions and medications can make people put weight on?

Its not a case of agreeing to disagree, or not believing it. Its a recognised fact certain conditions and certain medications cause weight gain!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" should we sack any member of staff working for the nhs who is overweight, smokes or Doesn't look after their health in a way they probably should.

I'm finding the responses quite interesting because the general consensus on the thread about. Dignity officer was that it didn't have to be a woman because if it was and management and strategy role and this is no different in my opinion. "

Was just about to make the same point. If this were the case then approximately 75% of nurses would be sacked.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You literally don't understand that medical conditions and medications can make people put weight on?

Its not a case of agreeing to disagree, or not believing it. Its a recognised fact certain conditions and certain medications cause weight gain!

"

Cool. We disagree then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me "

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not. "

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up. "

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would "

Boris Johnson was overweight should he not have held high office?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her "

I cannot see how not caring about one thing means we can't care about other things. That would mean any overweight mother can't care for her own children. An overweight nurse would have no care for her patients. You're suggesting that anyone overweight for whatever reasons isn't to be trusted. With anythjng.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?"

I'm more interested in what qualifies her for one of the most important ministries in our government, beyond that she's best mates with liz. If she does a good job... I couldn't care less if she smokes 100 a day. Our health systems are poor so wish her good fortune..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though."

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would

Boris Johnson was overweight should he not have held high office? "

Didn’t bother me for him

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle? "

Of course. If they are suitably qualified. It may have less credibility perhaps but good advise is good whoever gives it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe. "

Are you going to reword all of my messages?


" No idea if this applies to this woman or not though."

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe.

Are you going to reword all of my messages?

No idea if this applies to this woman or not though."

Maybe your new but that’s how it works here. Be prepared for any comment to be stripped apart, reassembled in a way they like and thrown back at you to try and squabble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe.

Are you going to reword all of my messages?

No idea if this applies to this woman or not though."

I haven't reworded it I have simply said it doesn't matter whether it applies to this woman or not. Also at some point in their lives almost every single person is a service user of the nhs so by that logic most of us are qualified.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would "

So presumably Jeremy hunt filled you with confidence based on his appearance?

How did that initial judgement pan out in relation to how competent he was?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe.

Are you going to reword all of my messages?

No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

I haven't reworded it I have simply said it doesn't matter whether it applies to this woman or not. Also at some point in their lives almost every single person is a service user of the nhs so by that logic most of us are qualified. "

Ah right.

You win then

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By *recian2000Man
over a year ago

Blairgowrie

Judge her on her performance.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would

So presumably Jeremy hunt filled you with confidence based on his appearance?

How did that initial judgement pan out in relation to how competent he was?"

No idea who he is so dunno

Any more brain busters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will frame it another way can a man be a midwife or a woman who have not given birth? The answer is yes because you do not need to know how it feels to have pushed out a baby or been pregnant to know how to safely look after somebody Who is pregnant and to live with her baby. In the same way you do not need to have been resuscitated to resuscitate someone you just need to have the qualifications to be able to do so and I think this applies to the health secretary.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in "

Pity about the moron whos the actual PM though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle? "

In my experience most NHS staff are overweight and unhealthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

There are simple reasons too. Usually attributed to food and I'd argue this is so in more cases than not.

I guess this topic could be argued the other way, in that somebody unhealthy possibly has a 'service user' perspective of the health service. No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

Have you seen this woman's health records? Unless you have you have no way of knowing whether she is unhealthy or not. You cannot determine the health of an individual just by looking at them contrary to what a lot of people believe.

Are you going to reword all of my messages?

No idea if this applies to this woman or not though.

I haven't reworded it I have simply said it doesn't matter whether it applies to this woman or not. Also at some point in their lives almost every single person is a service user of the nhs so by that logic most of us are qualified.

Ah right.

You win then "

I'm not trying to win anything I'm simply putting my point of view across, this is not a competition just an exchange of views as far as I am concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's an unfortunate picture of her d*unk, smoking and drink down her top, it's not a great look but there's a huge element of misogyny in repeatedky shaming her over that.

She should be judged by her voting record not her appearance. And for that reason she is an atrocious choice.

"

I'm not sure the photo is unfortunate. I'd much rather spend an evening with her than with Keir Starmer, unless I needed to get off to sleep quickly.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension. "

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle?

In my experience most NHS staff are overweight and unhealthy."

Agreed in fact most of the adult population is overweight 62.8% to be exact. So actually she represents the majority of the population.

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over a year ago


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so"

Why?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in

Pity about the moron whos the actual PM though "

Is she an old Etonian then? Does that disqualify her magically?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

The body shape of a politician should have nothing to do with whether they can be Health Secretary. Their willingness or otherwise to know about the health and social problems of the general population, and their history of voting for measures that either help the people or help only their friends, should have everything to do with their suitability to hold any form of position as a public servant.

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By *layTimeEssexCouple
over a year ago

Stansted


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?"

Don't worry about her body or general healthiness in particular although it's not ideal. Do worry that she appear to be pretty thick and only there as chum of Liz Truss and as previous waved the Brexit flag and cheer lead for Bozo. She famously said people would only need to work two extra hours a week to make up for £20 UC cut showing completely misunderstood the taper system.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

I don’t trust her as far as I could throw her

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle?

In my experience most NHS staff are overweight and unhealthy.

Agreed in fact most of the adult population is overweight 62.8% to be exact. So actually she represents the majority of the population. "

Hopefully one of her measures is to bring that average down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle?

In my experience most NHS staff are overweight and unhealthy.

Agreed in fact most of the adult population is overweight 62.8% to be exact. So actually she represents the majority of the population.

Hopefully one of her measures is to bring that average down. "

Maybe because she has struggled with her weight she may be able to come up with a strategy that people can identify with and Lose some weight if they choose to.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so

Why? "

Well because being out of work at some point in your life is of far less consequence to you being the new work secretary than being overweight is to be being the health secretary. Being out of work is hardly an active choice, being overweight is a clear result of active choices made.

For what its worth, i still dont think it disqualifies her from being health secretary, but its a million miles away from the other scenario youve pushed

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I have mixed feelings.

I don't think anyone, including her should be body shamed.

But I wouldn't expect to be given a job without having the relevant experience for it. Would you take health advice from a GP or personal trainer who lives an unhealthy lifestyle?

In my experience most NHS staff are overweight and unhealthy.

Agreed in fact most of the adult population is overweight 62.8% to be exact. So actually she represents the majority of the population.

Hopefully one of her measures is to bring that average down.

Maybe because she has struggled with her weight she may be able to come up with a strategy that people can identify with and Lose some weight if they choose to. "

Absolutely. Be interesting to know what qualifies her to be our health secretary... And indeed any of the other appointed ministers of state.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in

Pity about the moron whos the actual PM though

Is she an old Etonian then? Does that disqualify her magically? "

Im referring to Trudeau

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe because she has struggled with her weight she may be able to come up with a strategy that people can identify with and Lose some weight if they choose to. "

The Tories have been working on this strategy for a long time. A lack of food and warmth should soon get the average body weights down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so

Why?

Well because being out of work at some point in your life is of far less consequence to you being the new work secretary than being overweight is to be being the health secretary. Being out of work is hardly an active choice, being overweight is a clear result of active choices made.

For what its worth, i still dont think it disqualifies her from being health secretary, but its a million miles away from the other scenario youve pushed"

Being out of work most certainly is an active choice for some Being overweight isn't an active choice for some. My point is you do not need to be the picture of health to be a brilliant health Secretary In the same way you don't need to have known poverty to be able to come up with strategies to help people out of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe because she has struggled with her weight she may be able to come up with a strategy that people can identify with and Lose some weight if they choose to.

The Tories have been working on this strategy for a long time. A lack of food and warmth should soon get the average body weights down."

It won't though in fact there is a very well known link between poverty and obesity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe because she has struggled with her weight she may be able to come up with a strategy that people can identify with and Lose some weight if they choose to.

The Tories have been working on this strategy for a long time. A lack of food and warmth should soon get the average body weights down.

It won't though in fact there is a very well known link between poverty and obesity. "

Weird it never seemed that way in developing nations.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

If Hattie Jacques can be a Matron in a hospital, then why can't she be a Health Secretary?

Seriously, how we laughed at Carry On and Benny Hill.....40 years ago!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I will say I'm interested in what you think her strategies should be given that eating less food won't apparently solve it?

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

More "Bothered" about her stance on abortion and her believing in the magic space monkey to justify it ?? and trying to get any woman who wants a abortion to go for a mental health check ?? and of course being part of this loathsome clueless morally bankrupt led by a weather vane leader government !

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?

I’m assuming she’s overweight because she’s over eaten, and she doesn’t care enough about her own health to fix that, so I can’t trust her to care enough in general and it makes me doubt her

So yes you equate overweight to lazy and unhealthy?

Is that how you view all overweight women?

Do you understand that people can be overweight for a range of reasons, nit just "overeating and not caring about her own health"?

No I don’t understand that. We can agree to disagree here, but the studies I’ve seen show that over eating is the issue and eating less fixes that

Whether she is ignoring it, or like you, doesn’t believe it, both are a bad look for a health secretary to me

You are not stupid and you are very aware there are very complex reasons as to why people are overweight in more cases than not.

Her weight has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do the job it doesn't matter how you dress it up.

To the first point, I disagree, but that’s not what the thread is about

The 2nd, I think certain jobs require extra. She doesn’t fill me with confidence like someone that took care of their body would

So presumably Jeremy hunt filled you with confidence based on his appearance?

How did that initial judgement pan out in relation to how competent he was?

No idea who he is so dunno

Any more brain busters? "

A previous Health Minister (and longterm cabinet member).

How about Steve Barckay? Or Sajid Javid? Or Mat Hancock?

Same question, did you look at them and think they were suitable fit the role bases on their physique? And how did their performance reflect against your judgement?

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over a year ago


"Although I will say I'm interested in what you think her strategies should be given that eating less food won't apparently solve it?"

You know as well as I do it has very little to do with the quantity of food consumed and a lot more to do with quality and variety.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Although I will say I'm interested in what you think her strategies should be given that eating less food won't apparently solve it?

You know as well as I do it has very little to do with the quantity of food consumed and a lot more to do with quality and variety. "

We have up to date studies showing that isn’t true

I don’t want to turn the thread into that discussion, but the fact so many people still believe this, is the reason I place very little faith in her ability to do her job well. Because she might believe that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Although I will say I'm interested in what you think her strategies should be given that eating less food won't apparently solve it?

You know as well as I do it has very little to do with the quantity of food consumed and a lot more to do with quality and variety.

We have up to date studies showing that isn’t true

I don’t want to turn the thread into that discussion, but the fact so many people still believe this, is the reason I place very little faith in her ability to do her job well. Because she might believe that "

Obesity varied by area deprivation, with those in the most deprived areas having the highest mean BMI and highest prevalence of obesity. 35% of men and 37% of women living in the most deprived areas were obese compared with 20% of men and 21% of women in the least deprived areas.

Taken from the NHS website.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Obesity varied by area deprivation, with those in the most deprived areas having the highest mean BMI and highest prevalence of obesity. 35% of men and 37% of women living in the most deprived areas were obese compared with 20% of men and 21% of women in the least deprived areas.

Taken from the NHS website. "

Says nothing about what they were eating or more relevantly how much of it.

But as said above this is a different discussion, albeit evidence of some of the challenges facing any health secretary.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so

Why?

Well because being out of work at some point in your life is of far less consequence to you being the new work secretary than being overweight is to be being the health secretary. Being out of work is hardly an active choice, being overweight is a clear result of active choices made.

For what its worth, i still dont think it disqualifies her from being health secretary, but its a million miles away from the other scenario youve pushed

Being out of work most certainly is an active choice for some Being overweight isn't an active choice for some. My point is you do not need to be the picture of health to be a brilliant health Secretary In the same way you don't need to have known poverty to be able to come up with strategies to help people out of that. "

And as i said, i agree it doesnt disqualify her from the job.

However, i have to pull you up on your first bit; the vast majority of the unemployed are so not because of their own choice. The vast majority of overweight people are so because of their own choices.

There are always exceptions of course but lets not cloud reality ok

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By *imAndBarbCouple
over a year ago

chester

Should be shamed for being a Tory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's interesting that nobody has asked whether Chloe Smith who is the new work and pension secretary who is responsible for policy in relation to pensions and out of work benefits has ever been on benefits Or in receipt of a pension.

Probably because that would be a complete false equivalency to do so

Why?

Well because being out of work at some point in your life is of far less consequence to you being the new work secretary than being overweight is to be being the health secretary. Being out of work is hardly an active choice, being overweight is a clear result of active choices made.

For what its worth, i still dont think it disqualifies her from being health secretary, but its a million miles away from the other scenario youve pushed

Being out of work most certainly is an active choice for some Being overweight isn't an active choice for some. My point is you do not need to be the picture of health to be a brilliant health Secretary In the same way you don't need to have known poverty to be able to come up with strategies to help people out of that.

And as i said, i agree it doesnt disqualify her from the job.

However, i have to pull you up on your first bit; the vast majority of the unemployed are so not because of their own choice. The vast majority of overweight people are so because of their own choices.

There are always exceptions of course but lets not cloud reality ok"

Where did I say the vast majority of people who were unemployed did it out of choice? You say being out of work isn't a choice for the vast majority however we have 1.8 million people in out of work benefits who have been accessed as capable of working, We have 2.1 million job vacancies. There will be barriers for many of these people which means getting a job is very difficult the same is said for those who struggle with their weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its ridiculous.

So a doctor cant be a doctor if theyre smokes ?

What about drinks alcohol?

If she is the most competent for the role is the only question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbf ! These Tories are hideous regardless of what they physically look like . All cut from the same detestable cloth !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

"

Didn't know this, that's a really interesting point

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

If anybody believes that everyone within the NHS etc is a paragon of virtue for weight, smoking, drugs etc., then they’re in denial.

I don’t see why she should be any different.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Tbf ! These Tories are hideous regardless of what they physically look like . All cut from the same detestable cloth ! "

All? That's very interesting. Have you seen the diversity of the cabinet?

What cloth is that they are cut from.?

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


"Its ridiculous.

So a doctor cant be a doctor if theyre smokes ?

What about drinks alcohol?

If she is the most competent for the role is the only question. "

Where does one draw the line between competency and hypocrisy?

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

1.8 million unemployed assessed as being able to work. 2.1 million jobs available. I wonder what these jobs are that are creating barriers for people to take them. Low rate of pay, distance, qualifications (or lack of them), childcare or other forms of care or criminal record. The government should be looking and hopefully are, regarding these barriers and formulate plans to deal with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1.8 million unemployed assessed as being able to work. 2.1 million jobs available. I wonder what these jobs are that are creating barriers for people to take them. Low rate of pay, distance, qualifications (or lack of them), childcare or other forms of care or criminal record. The government should be looking and hopefully are, regarding these barriers and formulate plans to deal with them"

Exactly.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in "

The Canadian Health Minister is actually an economist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Where does one draw the line between competency and hypocrisy?"

Very easily defined line.

Personal freedom.

Why the hell would we care if she is physically healthy or living a good lifestyle.

Do we want the goverment to have any control over our individual choices and lifestyles?? Hell no so why would it be reasonable to comment as if her weight has anything to do with competency

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in "

I live in Canada and i can tell you that you are wrong.

The current Health Minister is an Economist.

The current Finance Minister started out as a journalist.

The current Agriculture Minister graduated with and Economics degree and started out working at an International Aid Agency.

Canada does not have an Education Minister at Federal Government level as that is a provincial responsibility.

Google is free. Try it next time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in

I live in Canada and i can tell you that you are wrong.

The current Health Minister is an Economist.

The current Finance Minister started out as a journalist.

The current Agriculture Minister graduated with and Economics degree and started out working at an International Aid Agency.

Canada does not have an Education Minister at Federal Government level as that is a provincial responsibility.

Google is free. Try it next time."

Thanks for the update

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Regardless of what has been said about her o really think we have got it wrong here in the uk

Just look to Canada for how to run a government

Minster for health -doctor

Minister for finance -retired banker

Minister for agriculture-retired farmer

Minister for education -head teacher

Etc etc

Maybe if we weren’t all about career positions and old etonians the country might not be in the state it is in

The Canadian Health Minister is actually an economist!"

None of the positions and linked occupations stated are true.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

So if I'm an optician but don't get a regular eye test or wear my specs am I unfit to be an optician, no I'm not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if I'm an optician but don't get a regular eye test or wear my specs am I unfit to be an optician, no I'm not."

I mean you sort of are.

I like to think my dentist brushes their teeth. And you should never trust a thin chef.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village


"So if I'm an optician but don't get a regular eye test or wear my specs am I unfit to be an optician, no I'm not.

I mean you sort of are.

I like to think my dentist brushes their teeth. And you should never trust a thin chef."

You should definitely trust a thin chef. They should know about nutrition and a balanced diet, and if they're decent they'll be run off their feet constantly

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By *lark_KentMan
over a year ago

Northampton

I'm more concerned about her stance on abortion and how she was trying to hide the report that highlighted the damage she did to people on benifits when she was work and pensions sectary.

She is a disgrace

Also she is a poor role model

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I'm more concerned about her stance on abortion and how she was trying to hide the report that highlighted the damage she did to people on benifits when she was work and pensions sectary.

She is a disgrace

Also she is a poor role model "

But a great sausage roll model

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

I can remember the gutter press making snide comments about the wonderful Mo mowlem and her appearance completely unaware of the illness she had and it didn’t stop her doing a good job in regards NI bringing an end to all that nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches "

Why?

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth


"I can remember the gutter press making snide comments about the wonderful Mo mowlem and her appearance completely unaware of the illness she had and it didn’t stop her doing a good job in regards NI bringing an end to all that nonsense "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

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In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise "
so regards to her health and fitness will that stop her doing her job effectively? What difference does it make what she looks like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise "

So the person who should be health minister should have the perfect diet and perfect workout routine. Weird application form

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

It seems only good looking fit people can do certain jobs that’s me fucked then I’ll end up on the dole

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By *umalotagainMan
over a year ago

a town called _alice

Is the definition of someone who drinks too much not that they drink more than the doctor

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I think it's disingenuous of most folks here who think appearances are irrelevant.

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By *oldyoudown41Man
over a year ago

caledonian

A lot to be said about this …

Would you listen to a PT that’s out of shape no chance

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials


"I'm more concerned about her record on abortion and same sex marriage"

Me too!!!

She is apparently a qualified pharmacist so probably more experienced than her predecessors?

J x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise so regards to her health and fitness will that stop her doing her job effectively? What difference does it make what she looks like "
jog on

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


"

Where does one draw the line between competency and hypocrisy?

Very easily defined line.

Personal freedom.

Why the hell would we care if she is physically healthy or living a good lifestyle.

Do we want the goverment to have any control over our individual choices and lifestyles?? Hell no so why would it be reasonable to comment as if her weight has anything to do with competency "

So you're happy with members of parlimenet who have a "do as I say not as I do" attitude when it comes to their jobs and positions ?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise so regards to her health and fitness will that stop her doing her job effectively? What difference does it make what she looks like jog on "
don’t need to fit as fuck me

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?"

Silly question, but what does the job entail? Is it simply telling people to eat more lettuce and jog a bit or does it have more to do with the running of health services, accessibility of said services and organising things like vaccine rollouts?

If it's the former, then nah. If she's got the wherewithal to make the NHS run somewhat smoother, get more ambulance crews appointed and get medical help out when needed then grand.

Genuine question by the way, as some people seem to think she'll be doing fitness videos and Zumba classes, and that probably won't be the case.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"So Liz Truss has great tits and legs, Angela Rayner would be an animal in bed and Therese Coffey has the wrong body type.

"

Almost as if female MPs aren't taken seriously!

To be clear, I think her views leave a lot to be desired, but I think how she's being treated is shameful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise so regards to her health and fitness will that stop her doing her job effectively? What difference does it make what she looks like jog on don’t need to fit as fuck me "
says the one with a hidden profile

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise so regards to her health and fitness will that stop her doing her job effectively? What difference does it make what she looks like jog on don’t need to fit as fuck me says the one with a hidden profile "
it’s not obligatory to go public and as I’ve no intention of meeting anybody from fab I prefer to be incognito think I’ll stick my running shoes on and jo for a jog maybe you should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?

Silly question, but what does the job entail? Is it simply telling people to eat more lettuce and jog a bit or does it have more to do with the running of health services, accessibility of said services and organising things like vaccine rollouts?

If it's the former, then nah. If she's got the wherewithal to make the NHS run somewhat smoother, get more ambulance crews appointed and get medical help out when needed then grand.

Genuine question by the way, as some people seem to think she'll be doing fitness videos and Zumba classes, and that probably won't be the case."

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/secretary-of-state-for-health-and-social-care

It mentions her career working with mars bars

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village


"The new Health Secrey Therese Coffrey has been told that she is no role model for health and her position is being questioned. Fair on not?

Silly question, but what does the job entail? Is it simply telling people to eat more lettuce and jog a bit or does it have more to do with the running of health services, accessibility of said services and organising things like vaccine rollouts?

If it's the former, then nah. If she's got the wherewithal to make the NHS run somewhat smoother, get more ambulance crews appointed and get medical help out when needed then grand.

Genuine question by the way, as some people seem to think she'll be doing fitness videos and Zumba classes, and that probably won't be the case.

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/secretary-of-state-for-health-and-social-care

It mentions her career working with mars bars "

Thankyou.

"...overall financial control and oversight of NHS delivery and performance

oversight of social care policy..."

I'd imagine, as long as she's competent, should be alright (her views on certain subjects notwithstanding).

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village

Oh and Mars are a fucking huge company, Mrs C works for them and not a choccy in sight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So you're happy with members of parlimenet who have a "do as I say not as I do" attitude when it comes to their jobs and positions ?"

First what is she going 'to do' as health secretary. A Monday morning fitness class where she explains the benefit of a fasted LISS session before grinding her protein shake??

Secondly I don't expect any member of goverment to have any "do as I say" moments. We have laws for that.

Being health secretary is not being the ideal specimen of a person.

It is effectively the running of the NHS from a financial standpoint . I care more about her ability to do the job then anything. As should anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh and Mars are a fucking huge company, Mrs C works for them and not a choccy in sight "

I hope she isn't responsible for changing marathons to snickers

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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago

Northampton


"Fair. How can we place trust in someone that doesn’t believe their own words enough to act on them

Maybe she is overweight because of underlying health conditions?

Or are you just assuming overweight equates to lazy and unhealthy?"

Almost everyone does... It's utter shite!

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village


"Oh and Mars are a fucking huge company, Mrs C works for them and not a choccy in sight

I hope she isn't responsible for changing marathons to snickers "

It's got nothing to do with food

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Not fair. Look to her record."

Like most of this cabinet, it can only be described as appalling.

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton

Im not so sure the issue is so much about what she looks like rather than the overall lack of trust people have in politicians as a whole.

Trust in politicians is already at the near lowest amount for 30 years.

BoJo and his partys, Trump and his, well take your pick really sharpie gate, lets nuke a hurricane idea etc.

People don't trust the government, or the people they select to run the country.

Now you have a new PM, who has said "here's your health secretary, a cigar smoking drinker whos previously voted against abortion and same sex marriage" and expected people to react happily.

People still base a lot of their inital impressions of people bassed on their looks, combine that with the lack of trust in politicians in general and is it any wonder that appointees are being scrutinised so harshly ?

She may be the best person ever in the job, she may be complete trash, I have no idea.

But in the light of Covid and how politicians partied together while peoples loved ones died alone, rightly or wrongly people want their politicians to actually practice what they preach

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise "

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Not fair. Look to her record.

Like most of this cabinet, it can only be described as appalling."

And that's the point isn't it? There is plenty to attack her over, not her appearance.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Should the defence Secretary look like a French partisan or a Viet Cong with an AK47 covered in twigs and leaves?"

Better the Viet Cong I reckon. At least they were winners.

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary. "

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Health secretary should embody what their role is. It’s not body shaming. Would you want a fat firefighter to save you from a burning building, even though a healthy firefighter has a higher chance of saving you?"

Well that's bollocks isn't it. The two are not even comparable.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy"

Do by the sake reckoning you wouldn't accept having a fat Dr? People can have knowledge and expertise without embodying the body beautiful.

Ministers very rarely have a background in the sector they oversee. They have expert advisors to hand for that. They are just there to deliver policy statements and reassurances to the PM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She's the first woman to be Deputy PM and so for first time we have a Female PM and Deputy PM.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"She's the first woman to be Deputy PM and so for first time we have a Female PM and Deputy PM. "

Just a shame neither woman is even remotely worthy of either post. As it is, it can barely be celebrated.

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By *antasy Explorers 1313Couple
over a year ago

A place where others reside (West Oxfordshire)

I'm pretty sure every optician I visited always wore glasses.....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Surely a fat person knows lots about diets as they've probably been on all of them

Most naturally slim and apparently healthy people I know have shocking diets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy"

Actually no it isn't.

This is the role of the health secretary

The Secretary of State for Health has overall responsibility for the business and policies of the department, including: financial control. oversight of all NHS delivery and performance.

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By *r. CMan
over a year ago

Tiverton

... The Education Secretary should definitely have passed their GCSEs and ideally have worked in education. Would be nice to have someone who knows anything about education making decisions about it...

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy

Actually no it isn't.

This is the role of the health secretary

The Secretary of State for Health has overall responsibility for the business and policies of the department, including: financial control. oversight of all NHS delivery and performance. "

You quoted it yourself, overall business and policies of the department. That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, I've no words I'm tired of such a body shaming society. Why do u all automatically go to health means fitness,can be health reasons she's gained weight. I've a question would u have the same negative views if she was in a wheelchair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm more concerned about her record on abortion and same sex marriage

Me too!!!

She is apparently a qualified pharmacist so probably more experienced than her predecessors?

J x"

From what I could find she has a phd in chemistry but went straight into the corporate world of finance after graduating but maybe I’m wrong!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy

Actually no it isn't.

This is the role of the health secretary

The Secretary of State for Health has overall responsibility for the business and policies of the department, including: financial control. oversight of all NHS delivery and performance.

You quoted it yourself, overall business and policies of the department. That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary"

You are aware that fat can people also exercise right?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Wow, I've no words I'm tired of such a body shaming society. Why do u all automatically go to health means fitness,can be health reasons she's gained weight. I've a question would u have the same negative views if she was in a wheelchair. "

How is that even comparable? That would be a disability ffs, completely outside of her control

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy

Actually no it isn't.

This is the role of the health secretary

The Secretary of State for Health has overall responsibility for the business and policies of the department, including: financial control. oversight of all NHS delivery and performance.

You quoted it yourself, overall business and policies of the department. That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary

You are aware that fat can people also exercise right? "

And what exactly has that got to do with anything ?

You stated the Health Secretary wasn't responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy, I have just stated it is.

Her weight or the amount of exercise has nothing to do with the issue I addressed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary"

I hate my yearly meeting with the Health Secretary when she tells me my personal workout plan.so draconian, blood sugar this, BMI that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is priceless. Say anything about Angela Rayner and the world explodes with cries of misogyny and classist behaviour. Call a Conservative Minister unhealthy and fat-shame her and there is support.

A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well now in her new role she'll have to practice what she preaches

Why?

In my opinion she can't exactly tell people how to be healthy eat well & all that when she is the size she is can she bit of a hypocrite other wise

Telling people to be fit and healthy is not the health secretary.

Actually it is, they are the overall boss of the Department of Health and Social care which is responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy

Actually no it isn't.

This is the role of the health secretary

The Secretary of State for Health has overall responsibility for the business and policies of the department, including: financial control. oversight of all NHS delivery and performance.

You quoted it yourself, overall business and policies of the department. That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary

You are aware that fat can people also exercise right?

And what exactly has that got to do with anything ?

You stated the Health Secretary wasn't responsible for telling people to be fit and healthy, I have just stated it is.

Her weight or the amount of exercise has nothing to do with the issue I addressed"

But it isn't and I don't think that you will ever understand that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance. "

I'm left and I'm calling of this out?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"This is priceless. Say anything about Angela Rayner and the world explodes with cries of misogyny and classist behaviour. Call a Conservative Minister unhealthy and fat-shame her and there is support.

A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance. "

Did you read the thread or just decide to drive-by post drivel?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of this*

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By *g and funnyCouple
over a year ago

Clacton


" That means everything they do, including the sections on telling people how much to exercise.

The buck stops with the Health Secretary

I hate my yearly meeting with the Health Secretary when she tells me my personal workout plan.so draconian, blood sugar this, BMI that"

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Wow, I've no words I'm tired of such a body shaming society. Why do u all automatically go to health means fitness,can be health reasons she's gained weight. I've a question would u have the same negative views if she was in a wheelchair.

How is that even comparable? That would be a disability ffs, completely outside of her control"

No it wouldn't. I have a hormonal condition that can cause weight gain and make it difficult to lose weight but it's not classed as a disability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus Christ you'd think carrying some extra pounds means she's a mass murderer the way people are going on. I doubt Jeremy Cunt or any other Tory Health Minister got this much aggro before they'd even started the job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god this thread is just about over.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"

A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance.

I'm left and I'm calling of this out?"

There's quite a few of us very much calling it out whi are clearly left wing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance.

I'm left and I'm calling of this out?

There's quite a few of us very much calling it out whi are clearly left wing "

I'm left wing and have never voted Tory and I am calling it out.

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over a year ago


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A kinder gentler politics from the left - not a chance.

I'm left and I'm calling of this out?"

Same here.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

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"Wow, I've no words I'm tired of such a body shaming society. Why do u all automatically go to health means fitness,can be health reasons she's gained weight. I've a question would u have the same negative views if she was in a wheelchair.

How is that even comparable? That would be a disability ffs, completely outside of her control

No it wouldn't. I have a hormonal condition that can cause weight gain and make it difficult to lose weight but it's not classed as a disability. "

As I said in a much earlier comment, that is by far the exception.

The vast vast vast majority of people who are fat are that way because of their eating, drinking and exercise choices. I really shouldnt even need to say this

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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If she can do her job well, her appearance shouldn't come into it

The problem is if she can do the job

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