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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

In addition to my best musicians thread, let’s give a shout out to the very worst! that’s not you or your neighbours’ uncle’s cousin’s friend’s cat!

That means someone who, roughly speaking, has or has had some experience in the public eye! It could even be a group who only ever had one famously disastrous gig at the Reading Festival or someone who puts themselves out there as a great musician and is actually a totally talentless fraud!

Name and shame peeps! Gp!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

*Go!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Black Lace.

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By *arcosaMan
over a year ago

London

These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful."

Wow! That’s kinda ultra-dismissive! Are there no musicians out there these days worth listening to for you?

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Black Lace."

Fuck me: see what you mean! Bloody horrific!!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Dare I suggest the infamous Dame Florence Foster Jenkins?

And yes, the film is great but she was for real! The actual recordings of her testify to her absolutely unfathomable ability to sing badly!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Black Lace.

Fuck me: see what you mean! Bloody horrific!! "

Agadoo?

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By *arcosaMan
over a year ago

London


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

Wow! That’s kinda ultra-dismissive! Are there no musicians out there these days worth listening to for you? "

As far as the mainstream, nothing. I'm well into Thee Osees at the moment though.

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

I’m also going to give a shout out to a pretty shoddy band that’s broken up since, understandably:

Owen Donovan and the Mockingbirds.

There’s stuff on Youtube and it’s pretty painful!

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By *ily WhiteWoman
over a year ago

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Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt!

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "
couldn't agree more with you

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By *ingle ex cuckMan
over a year ago

chester

Water boys

The moon or something like that

Utter @@@@

They have never made a decent tune

Total scam artists in the music industry

Shocking

Should be investigated and brought to the courts

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By *hilledGuyClactonMan
over a year ago

Little clacton

U2

Cold Play

razerlight

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By *ig_time_CharlieMan
over a year ago

Cambridge and London


"Water boys

The moon or something like that

Utter @@@@

They have never made a decent tune

Total scam artists in the music industry

Shocking

Should be investigated and brought to the courts "

Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it.

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By *ingle ex cuckMan
over a year ago

chester


"Water boys

The moon or something like that

Utter @@@@

They have never made a decent tune

Total scam artists in the music industry

Shocking

Should be investigated and brought to the courts

Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it. "

Everyone? Charlie you obviously loved it but can you show me where you get your data from about every one loving it please

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "

Agreed!!

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Along with Oasis there is The Pretenders. Chrissie Hynde moaning away is not music.

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By *ev257Man
over a year ago

cardiff

U2

Saw them about 1980 play to about 200 people n thought "these are shit"

Few years later they were massive.

But still haven't changed my options of them.

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By *otts72Man
over a year ago

London

Sleaford Mods

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By *regoniansCouple
over a year ago

Oundle

George Ezra

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over a year ago


"George Ezra"

I am with you on that, I can't stand him. Closely followed by Sam Smith...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle.

However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves.

So initially the crowd was up for them.

But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful."

I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester


"George Ezra"

God yes!!! That green grass song

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coldplay. Chris Martin continues to sing high notes he can hit when singing live. I just don’t get why people like them.

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By *dventurous biMan
over a year ago

tesside

Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful."

There are some amazing acts around.

Like always though, you'll find the best away from the charts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful."

Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better

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By *r. CMan
over a year ago

Tiverton

I went to see one of my favourite bands FFAF once and they were supported by the quaintly named 'Cancer Bats'... I think I bled from every orifice in that moment. Nothing remotely musical about them and had do deal woth the lead singer just spitting on everyone...

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By *ickeyblueeyes7Man
over a year ago

newport

James Arthur is one and as for Coldplay utter garbage

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Radio head. Saw them in a pub as a support act very early on in their career and thought he was a pretentious knob and they were incredibly dull and nothing has changed since

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

There are some amazing acts around.

Like always though, you'll find the best away from the charts. "

This

Honestly there are a lot of people making some fabulous music right now amd it amazes me how many people of my generation dismiss it based on whst is in the charts

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "

First 2 albums were good. After that it's diminishing returns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Contraversial one perhaps, but Arctic Monkeys?

Used to be phenomenal, but it's all got to their heads and the new stuff just doesn't stand up..

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners


"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle.

However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves.

So initially the crowd was up for them.

But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. "

I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint…..

If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles…..

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Travis.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

As I’ve mentioned in a previous thread in general for a large proportion of people listening to new music tails off in their late teens to mid 20’s (life gets in the way). So their music tastes get frozen in time so to speak…

Hence why they feel that time is their “golden decade” for music and tend to dismiss what new music is happening at present.

As music tastes are purely subjective the idea of best or worst musicians is actually a bit of a pointless exercise…. Unless they can’t play or sing out of tune….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

vampire weekend..prob the worst thing ive even seen and heard..saw them at t in the park and i just stood with my mouth open,they were truely terrible and everyone around me was singing along.it was at that point i thought music had died a little..

its easy to think today that there is no good music ,and for the most part you are right..theres no money to be made in it any more, so the real talent dont bother.also there is so much music being released on a daily basis thats its imposable to find the good stuff.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Well until I saw a bit of this years reading I'd have gone with the Enid or blue oyster cult. I think you needed to be stoned to appreciate them and I wasn't.

But had the misfortune of watching Charlie xcx and aj Tracey on at Reading this year. Just don't get the generic tripe she serves up or whatever it is aj Tracey performs.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Madonna on the Eurovision song contest in 2019 was absolutely awful!

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus

The Gallaghers, pish

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! couldn't agree more with you "

Another vote for Noasis, but can I choose a slightly smoother fruit - jackfruit maybe ?

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS
over a year ago

Cornwall


"The Gallaghers, pish "

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Sleaford Mods"

Srsly?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful.

Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better"

There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing.

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By *nimaginativeUsernameMan
over a year ago

Rochester, Kent

Sam Smith’s whiney singing voice grates my gears, but the fact that he slaughtered a James Bond theme tune is unforgivable.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. "

Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey.

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

Julian cope was utter shit left before the break.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Paul McCartney..should of stopped performing decades ago.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. "

Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got to be Cheryl Ty (or whatever last name she's using today)

Absolutely horrendous voice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why can I not write Ty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

T w e e d y

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful.

Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better

There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing."

Ever since multitrack recording was developed in the 1940’s most recorded music is manufactured…. As each individual instrument is laid separately and then the piece is built up in to a whole….. This has not changed but there are now just more tools and technology available to the producers, engineers and more importantly the artists…. So yes studio recorded music is manufactured by definition.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Some will call this heresy but I have to say Bob Dylan (the Mrs will kill me for this )

While one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, as a performer he is bloody awful.

Saw him live a few years ago when he toured with Mark Knofler (who was nearly as bad) Never again.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey.

Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr. "

Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day.

I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

John Mayer - totally overrated.

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By *ig_time_CharlieMan
over a year ago

Cambridge and London


"Water boys

The moon or something like that

Utter @@@@

They have never made a decent tune

Total scam artists in the music industry

Shocking

Should be investigated and brought to the courts

Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it.

Everyone? Charlie you obviously loved it but can you show me where you get your data from about every one loving it please "

Well I'm no Ellie Goulding fan but...

If you go on YouTube the official video of her singing that song has 111 million views.

The next most popular clip of it has 30 million views, and the next one which is at the BBC has 2.7 million views.

The song got to number 3 in the charts and sold 1.28 million copies.

I just went on YouTube and Google quickly to get these figures but it seems a pretty popular song to me.

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By *ig_time_CharlieMan
over a year ago

Cambridge and London


"John Mayer - totally overrated. "

But look at the women he has fucked! Legend!

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts


"Some will call this heresy but I have to say Bob Dylan (the Mrs will kill me for this )

While one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, as a performer he is bloody awful.

Saw him live a few years ago when he toured with Mark Knofler (who was nearly as bad) Never again."

Yes... Dylan

closely followed by Bowie and Springsteen, not forgetting Hendrix as well

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

Cliff Richard.

Westlife.

I would rather listen to my ear drums bursting.

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By *lderflower_AppleWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I know I'm not alone here, but I'm going to say Coldplay.

Yes, they're great musicians, but seriously Chris Martin.... please stop your whining!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Joy Division / New Order

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over a year ago


"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle.

However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves.

So initially the crowd was up for them.

But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play.

I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint…..

If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles….. "

No they did last about 35 to 40 mins before the deluge of debris started raining on to the stage. A well aimed orange bass Reeves's bass make a loud THUNK and he just signalled to hos mates enough was enough.

The crowd was well uo for them. If they's played some songs - even covers - they'd have been fine. But it sounded like teenagers in a garage on Boxing Day having got their instruments for Xmas!

But as you say... ir was awful!

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Most of Hip Hop and R&B of today and Pop music. I believe since the mid 2000s only Alt Genres of music (Metal, Punk, Industrial etc) are improving while others forms of music have hit a platu and stagnated. I blame shows like X factor, BGT etc for the lack of creativity in music to be honest

Raven_Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Ha just pants

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners


"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle.

However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves.

So initially the crowd was up for them.

But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play.

I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint…..

If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles…..

No they did last about 35 to 40 mins before the deluge of debris started raining on to the stage. A well aimed orange bass Reeves's bass make a loud THUNK and he just signalled to hos mates enough was enough.

The crowd was well uo for them. If they's played some songs - even covers - they'd have been fine. But it sounded like teenagers in a garage on Boxing Day having got their instruments for Xmas!

But as you say... ir was awful!"

To many festivals and lost weekends since then so the 5 mins I remember was probably 35 mins….

But it was still awful enough to remember over 20 years later …. And I’ve seen some bad shows over those years.

That orange was a cracking shot though…. The best thing of the whole performance…..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"George Ezra"

You beat me to it.

The guy always sounds like he's singing with a cold or a mouthful of pastry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kid Rock.

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By *ophie199Couple
over a year ago

Leeds


"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down."

Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!!

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down.

Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!!"

Coldplay a beige band for beige people.

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Also KISS never seen the appeal of them. There music is to simple for me (simple solos and chord progressions) Also Gene Simmons is a right twat and will but KISS on anything to make money.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful."

Obviously you're not into music.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Stereophonics, Coldplay and ed Sheeran to name but three.

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Jack Harlow

Post Malone

Gunna

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey.

Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr.

Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day.

I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all"

Oh for fuck sake.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey.

Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr.

Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day.

I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all

Oh for fuck sake. "

I don’t understand?

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down.

Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!!

Coldplay a beige band for beige people."

Music for people who don't like music.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

The Edgar Winter Group.

Absolutely fucking abysmal.

Never been so dissapointed in an album in all my life.

Winston

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"The Edgar Winter Group.

Absolutely fucking abysmal.

Never been so dissapointed in an album in all my life.

Winston "

OMG! A bunch of white loons pretending to out-do James Brown! Trash indeed! They should have stuck with performing down back alleys!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"John Mayer - totally overrated.

But look at the women he has fucked! Legend! "

Ha! When the “greatness” of a musician is judged by the quantity and quality of the pussies his cock has spent the night inside!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Have to say I agree with a lot of these posts!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

As a musician myself, I find it hard to criticise anyone who is out there doing their art. They might not all be to my taste, but they've all got a talent.

Cal

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By *jfrenchMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"As a musician myself, I find it hard to criticise anyone who is out there doing their art. They might not all be to my taste, but they've all got a talent.

Cal"

I can only concur with this very correct statement.

Of course people are free to respond however they wish but I have to say it is acutely obvious from the majority of comments above that most people are mistaking acts they simply do not enjoy (again their absolute prerogative not to) with actual lack of talent. They are two completely separate things.

Hey I too cannot stand Coldplay nor U2, just to cite two examples chosen at random, but suggest either act is 'talentless' is simply incorrect. These are highly talented musicians, composers, creators and entertainers.

Such is the cut-throat 'dog eat dog' world of the music industry it is nigh on impossible for someone talentless to exist as professionals.

Whether you like them though is a whole other question... one the OP is not actually asking.

PS - the person who suggested Dogstar is bang on! Keanu Reeves was wise to sticking to acting. Now he is a shite musician!

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By *ustyMilfxxxCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

The beautiful south … get in the fckin sea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a musician myself I don't think there's a worst. I respect anyone who's taken the time to learn an instrument and put the effort into being discovered.

Oasis.

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Interesting comments - oh dear, ‘talent’ - that old chestnut. I deliberately avoided it in the thread heading. In fact, it’s a word I simply never use because I believe it simply doesn’t exist. People become good musicians through good training and dedicated practice. Then they might be noticed and someone who can enables them to have a prominent career as a performer. That’s all! Anyone can do it! This ‘talent’ concept is total BS! It’s the nearest thing a secular society comes to describing a ‘mysterious gift from God’, the alternative description of ‘talent’ which was bandies around in my childhood! No, I fucking practice hard and have a good teacher! Fuck sake! If Bach hadn’t practised hard and studied with Buxtehude, no-one would have ever heard of him and if he’d composed anything it would have been shite!

This thread is not about the talented or untalented. It’s about those con artists who are for some baffling reason have a career when their level of musicianship clearly doesn’t warrant it!

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By *awpleasureMan
over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

Pritti scolitti and deacon blue were pants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle.

However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves.

So initially the crowd was up for them.

But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. "

When Milli Vanilli got caught Sting said there are loads in the music industry who don't really sing on their records.

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

Metallica

Haha now now before you get the pitch forks out let me explain. I like to think I have a good broad taste in music rock, pop, rnb, classic blag blah

But with the hype this band gets, thought I give them a try & couldn't find a single song I actually rated! OK maybe not the worst but Overhyped for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. "

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some will call this heresy but I have to say Bob Dylan (the Mrs will kill me for this )

While one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, as a performer he is bloody awful.

Saw him live a few years ago when he toured with Mark Knofler (who was nearly as bad) Never again."

I agree. Great songwriter, great guitarist, can't sing.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"Metallica

Haha now now before you get the pitch forks out let me explain. I like to think I have a good broad taste in music rock, pop, rnb, classic blag blah

But with the hype this band gets, thought I give them a try & couldn't find a single song I actually rated! OK maybe not the worst but Overhyped for sure "

I'll take them over RHCP- who are the poor mans Jane's Addiction

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

Abba

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful.

Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better

There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing.

Ever since multitrack recording was developed in the 1940’s most recorded music is manufactured…. As each individual instrument is laid separately and then the piece is built up in to a whole….. This has not changed but there are now just more tools and technology available to the producers, engineers and more importantly the artists…. So yes studio recorded music is manufactured by definition.

"

Again no...laying a track down is one thing...totally altering the sound so its nothing like whats been played or sung is manufacturing. Live performances were where you heard great music and still do at smaller venues. Sadly lip synching and click tracks are now used by some less honest bands so again it's basically a manufactured sound rather than raw talent.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Metallica

Haha now now before you get the pitch forks out let me explain. I like to think I have a good broad taste in music rock, pop, rnb, classic blag blah

But with the hype this band gets, thought I give them a try & couldn't find a single song I actually rated! OK maybe not the worst but Overhyped for sure

I'll take them over RHCP- who are the poor mans Jane's Addiction "

How did we get this far before someone mentioned RHCP, my god they are awful

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

The Smiths, The Housemartins.

Couldn't stand either of them.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Noel Gallagher.

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By *ickeyblueeyes7Man
over a year ago

newport


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!"

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I've always known I've got a bit of a weird taste, but I dig a lot of the people mentioned on this thread!

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing "

That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

Music is totally subjective so you will never get total agreement, I think people who say things like “you don’t like music” because you don’t adhere to their personal taste are the ones out of touch. I personally like rock music, new wave/punk, some other labels but I dislike Rap, Hip hop, reggae, dance, doesn’t mean it’s bad, I just don’t like it.

Many others do.

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over a year ago


"Music is totally subjective so you will never get total agreement, I think people who say things like “you don’t like music” because you don’t adhere to their personal taste are the ones out of touch. I personally like rock music, new wave/punk, some other labels but I dislike Rap, Hip hop, reggae, dance, doesn’t mean it’s bad, I just don’t like it.

Many others do. "

Well said

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham


"Music is totally subjective so you will never get total agreement, I think people who say things like “you don’t like music” because you don’t adhere to their personal taste are the ones out of touch. I personally like rock music, new wave/punk, some other labels but I dislike Rap, Hip hop, reggae, dance, doesn’t mean it’s bad, I just don’t like it.

Many others do. "

Agreed

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By *heGigglersCouple
over a year ago

Northwich (just visiting)

Toyah Willcox, absolutley terrible live!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Coldplay - just don’t get the hype and Chris Martin cannot hold a tune!!

Nicki Minaj - 3 hours of my life I’ll never get back taking my daughter to see her!!

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

James Blunt - even he knows he's shit!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing

That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths "

Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Coldplay - just don’t get the hype and Chris Martin cannot hold a tune!!

Nicki Minaj - 3 hours of my life I’ll never get back taking my daughter to see her!!"

Coldplay are music for people who don't like music.

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing

That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths

Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull.

"

Yawn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Cure

I never got the hype .

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By *ea wangMan
over a year ago

scunthorpe

Bros,couldn't sing if u paid them

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

The Chumbawumba band !

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing

That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths

Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull.

Yawn "

Very much my reaction to their music too.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The Chumbawumba band !"

They get knocked down, but they get up again. I'll give 'em that

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing "

They weren't depressing though. The lyrics were actually quite funny at times.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"The Chumbawumba band !"

Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping?

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By *aughtycp1Couple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Wagner from X Factor !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This may be an unpopular opinion but

The Arctic Monkeys. Just come back from Leeds festival and they where the most disappointing headliner/live act I've seen in 25yrs + of watching live music.

They seemed bored, sounded like a bad covers band and there was no show just blank screens and no interaction between tunes. It pains me to say it as I was a fan

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Can I just add a second vote for Nicki Minaj - having seen her performances on YouTube: What is she about? No visible musicians, just her mouthing off and screaming verbal diarrhea into a microphone!

It’s not singing so much as screeching a torrent of abusive words at the strangely sycophantic audience!

Two honorable mentions for two legends who certainly are never always legends:

Some of Adele’s singing in concert really does nothing to impress me, when she gets going she’s a bit like a female George Esra - a massive sound that’s uncomfortable for the ears, often not quite in tune and with really dull and moany music!

Some early work of David Bowie is really depressing. There’s a YouTube vid of a young Bowie with a band and him at the piano singing. It’s truly horrendous. He comes across as having an ego the size of Jupiter and the musical ability of a deaf gnat! How he eventually knocked himself into shape as a musician I don’t know but that, and his cringeworthy Christmas duo with Bing Crosby are serious career lowlights!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "

Spot on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"James Arthur is one and as for Coldplay utter garbage "

Hate Coldplay but I love JA's song Ashes Everywhere

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Coldplay

Abba

Queen

U2

Most over-rated bands of all time.

Honourable mention goes to Mumford and Sons, who should never progressed from singing in church.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "

Tbh, I wouldn't mind doing both!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Wagner from X Factor !"

Fuck me they must have been hard up for people to put through to the next round! He murdered ‘O Sole Mio’ fair and square! I wouldn’t have put him through! Awful voice - a kind of nervous sheep bleat! He holds vast tension in his shoulders so he can’t sing properly anyway - and he goes way off from the backing track! I mean, he’s not the worst the show has seen by a long way but, grief, there’s not much hope of him being the second Pavarotti!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might get a kicking for this but...

Pink Floyd - pretentious shite apart from Piper at the Gates of Dawn, and the early singles.

Adele - if they handed out awards for flat singing and boring tunes... oh wait, they do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Chumbawumba band !

Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping?"

Anarchy is a great album.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"The Chumbawumba band !

Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping?

"

Really? Spot-on politically.

But have you not heard 'Add me'? The whole album is brilliant.

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By *inkylipsWoman
over a year ago

Debauchery


"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! "

Absolutely agree, they have just one tone and very little stage presence. I’ve heard and seen better at karaoke

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"The Cure

I never got the hype . "
i used to be in a goth rock band we were called "the prevention " only played a few gigs but many said we were better than the cure

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By *orksRockerMan
over a year ago

Bradford


"The Cure

I never got the hype . "

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along.

Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special.

The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!

The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing

They weren't depressing though. The lyrics were actually quite funny at times. "

Unlike Morrisey, who has all the charm of a turd sandwich.

Despite being unable to sell out the smallest of arena setups (his ego wouldn’t let him downsize to the more sensible academy size venues), he dictated that nobody in the venue should eat meat and banned it from sale at the food stalls- the crew were also banned (we always brought in pasties as a fuck you that day).

Mate of mine was on back stage security for one show , he was ordered to face the wall whenever Moz-twat came in or out… who then complained that he didn’t open the door for the little turd, to which my mate replied ‘couldn’t see him- was too busy counting bricks in the wall as ordered’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always hated the Kaiser Chiefs and never really known why

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"The Cure

I never got the hype . "

Pictures of you can hold it’s own against anything The Beatles put out…and as far as I know, Bob Smith is the only person to play TOTP twice on the same night, as a member of two different bands (bass for Siouxsie and the Banshees then a little later as guitar/vocals for The Cure)

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By *eavy-Metal-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

What about the Beatles (I know I get Destroyed for this) I think coming from Liverpool you grow up to hate them and the tourists that only come for them. While they influenced a lot of bands I just don't get them. Liverpool have had why better bands then them with Echo & the Bunnymen and Carcass being great examples.

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By *ea wangMan
over a year ago

scunthorpe

Magnum

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Coldplay

Abba

Queen

U2

Most over-rated bands of all time.

Honourable mention goes to Mumford and Sons, who should never progressed from singing in church. "

Agree.

Although I do like Queen, but not as much as most people seem to.

Mumford and Sons are woeful.

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By *ig_time_CharlieMan
over a year ago

Cambridge and London


"Coldplay

Abba

Queen

U2

Most over-rated bands of all time.

Honourable mention goes to Mumford and Sons, who should never progressed from singing in church. "

Wow, if you don't like them, who DO you like?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ed Sheeran makes me want to rip my own ears off, eat them and then shit em out and flush down the toilet……. Really not a fan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Toyah Willcox, absolutley terrible live!"

Those videos her and her husband post every week on youtube are something else

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Magnum"

I was mates with one of them on Brum but it was so awkward that I didn't like them

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By *entDomMan
over a year ago

Paddock Wood, Kent

Ever so slightly off topic but I saw Tiffany (as she is now) on tik tok singing "I Think We're Alone Now". Time has not been as kind to her as it has me, I still look the same as I did back then I'm sure

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. "

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years"

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London


"Dare I suggest the infamous Dame Florence Foster Jenkins?

And yes, the film is great but she was for real! The actual recordings of her testify to her absolutely unfathomable ability to sing badly! "

I have an LP of hers, which was released in the late 60s. The strange thing is, she believed she was a really good opera singer! She died happy at the age of 76, still believing, bless her.

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London


"Toyah Willcox, absolutley terrible live!

Those videos her and her husband post every week on youtube are something else "

Especially when you get the occasional nip slip!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dave Grohl.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

"

And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

I used to like The Smiths a lot in the 80s/90s, but not over-keen on Morrissey as a solo artist and miserable, whinging git.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!"

Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant.

I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch.

My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!

Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant.

I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch.

My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing. "

Where did i say 'no talent'?

i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!

Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant.

I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch.

My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing.

Where did i say 'no talent'?

i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now "

The thread is about the worst musician or band. Never mind...

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Yorks/Lincs

too many to mention ... so I wont but there are many good ones , you just have to be interested and curious and have an open mind ...

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Oasis

Coldplay

George Ezra

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Dare I suggest the infamous Dame Florence Foster Jenkins?

And yes, the film is great but she was for real! The actual recordings of her testify to her absolutely unfathomable ability to sing badly!

I have an LP of hers, which was released in the late 60s. The strange thing is, she believed she was a really good opera singer! She died happy at the age of 76, still believing, bless her."

Absolutely! I have the same recording on cassette tape! With her suffering accompanist, Cosme McMoon!

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By *oeofsussex OP   Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent.

Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years

I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive

And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!

Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant.

I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch.

My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing.

Where did i say 'no talent'?

i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now "

Can we ditch the word ‘talent’? It makes me puke!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jon Bon Jovi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Muse - mock rock opera shite

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By *ookingtoseeMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"Oasis

Coldplay

George Ezra

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Surely can't be worst.. one of the greatest bands ever there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The second most over rated band in history, in my opinion is Oasis. The most over rated band being The Beatles.

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By *ookingtoseeMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"The second most over rated band in history, in my opinion is Oasis. The most over rated band being The Beatles. "

Surely not...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely mate... in my opinion.

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By *ookingtoseeMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"Absolutely mate... in my opinion. "

That's why opinion makes conversations.. who's your top 3?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Queen, Madness, meatloaf... in no particular order.

Nobody can argue because everyone has their own opinion don't they. It wouldn't do for us all to like the same things.

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By *ookingtoseeMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"Queen, Madness, meatloaf... in no particular order.

Nobody can argue because everyone has their own opinion don't they. It wouldn't do for us all to like the same things."

No arguments that's a pretty decent 3 to be fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can listen to most stuff, but I always turn the radio down when either of those 2 are playing... I do think John lennon was brilliant though.

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By *ookingtoseeMan
over a year ago

Brighton


"I can listen to most stuff, but I always turn the radio down when either of those 2 are playing... I do think John lennon was brilliant though. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

High Flying Birds, they should just flock off!

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By *jfrenchMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"Interesting comments - oh dear, ‘talent’ - that old chestnut. I deliberately avoided it in the thread heading. In fact, it’s a word I simply never use because I believe it simply doesn’t exist. People become good musicians through good training and dedicated practice. Then they might be noticed and someone who can enables them to have a prominent career as a performer. That’s all! Anyone can do it! This ‘talent’ concept is total BS! It’s the nearest thing a secular society comes to describing a ‘mysterious gift from God’, the alternative description of ‘talent’ which was bandies around in my childhood! No, I fucking practice hard and have a good teacher! Fuck sake! If Bach hadn’t practised hard and studied with Buxtehude, no-one would have ever heard of him and if he’d composed anything it would have been shite!

This thread is not about the talented or untalented. It’s about those con artists who are for some baffling reason have a career when their level of musicianship clearly doesn’t warrant it! "

I understand what you are saying about mediocre musicians who have hidden away and the angle you are trying to come from so I of totally respect that.

But to suggest 'talent' does not exist is ludicrous. Its like trying to argue love doesn't exist.

Where it comes from, how it manifests and how the hell you measure I completely agree is a non-starter. I'm certain its not 'God given' as I've been a pro musician since I was 18 and have played and worked with many talented people and often the most talented are among the repugnant and horrible twats I've had the misfortune of meeting. It's not divine!

Again you are correct it is possible to spend hours and hours honing your skill at playing your chosen instrument. Practice does not make perfect... but it helps!

But as far as creativity goes, the spark or whatever it is that creates those killer melodies or movements or riffs that resonate with so many people.

Again the point has to be made that only certain people do get the exposure that lifts them into the public psyche. And that is a whole post unto itself. But there is many examples of these driven, natural songwriting and composing creators that often turn up at band practice or whatever with their latest piece literally finished. Its done. All it needs is recording so millions and millions and millions can hear it too.

"Anyone can do it" you say. Yes, to some extent they can. But only to a certain level. Only a select few can do it at a level so far in advance of the 'norm' that they stand out. The same phenomena occurs in literature, art, sport, dare we even say politics. Anyone can run a marathon but I dare suggest that no matter how much training you and I do there is no way we are going to clock 2 Hours 2 Minutes and break the World Record. It takes a unique talent to do that.

Ok, you prefer not to call it 'talent' but - whatever name you wish to pin on it - it is most definitely there. And the ones that are heralded as the most 'talented' often (not always, never always) seem to do it the easiest.

PS - Great post by the way, fascinating subject!

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By *arcosaMan
over a year ago

London


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

Obviously you're not into music. "

But, that's the problem, I AM into music. Yes, I was generalising, but I was talking about the state of pop music, not all music. A recent study has confirmed that music is starting to sound the same. They studied a shit ton of popular artists, genres, albums etc. and found that it's become simpler over time. It's becoming homogenised.

Research carried out by The Medical University of Vienna in Austria studied 15 genres and 374 subgenres. They rated the music's complexity over time using values like timbre and acoustical variation. They then compared that to the genre's sales. They found that in nearly every case, as genres increase in popularity, they also become more generic. Their conclusion was that,"as music becomes increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers, due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills."

I remembered the general points but had to look up the details. There is no room for creativity in pop music any more. It doesn't sell. The stuff that does sell is so bland and generic it may as well be the same song played over and over again.

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

Oasis…

Utter dross…

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful.

Obviously you're not into music.

But, that's the problem, I AM into music. Yes, I was generalising, but I was talking about the state of pop music, not all music. A recent study has confirmed that music is starting to sound the same. They studied a shit ton of popular artists, genres, albums etc. and found that it's become simpler over time. It's becoming homogenised.

Research carried out by The Medical University of Vienna in Austria studied 15 genres and 374 subgenres. They rated the music's complexity over time using values like timbre and acoustical variation. They then compared that to the genre's sales. They found that in nearly every case, as genres increase in popularity, they also become more generic. Their conclusion was that,"as music becomes increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers, due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills."

I remembered the general points but had to look up the details. There is no room for creativity in pop music any more. It doesn't sell. The stuff that does sell is so bland and generic it may as well be the same song played over and over again."

Was that the medical or musical university.? Either way it's interesting, sort of makes sense. X factor throat singing, melisma and auto tuned voices are the diet. We like easy beige flabby music.

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