FabSwingers.com forum: Bicycle number plates

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

It's probably just another money making scheme for the Tories

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By *ickshawedCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

It's a dumb, unworkable idea that will never happen.

It's just a distraction from the real problems of the day

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Totally 100% stupid idea the country is in chaos and this is the only "Idea" the so called transport minister can come up with ?? mind he's changed his name and got done for basically being a con artist when he ran a get rich quick investment scam under a false name BUT he used his real life photo ? so not surprised he'd come up with this idea

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

175 posts yesterday made fir a split decision. I think it's a ridiculous idea. Shapps has already given another interview saying it won't happen, his own department dismissed these suggestions in a study on 2018 and no country has ever successfully introduced them.

Meanwhile Shapps has raised his profile ahead of a cabinet reshuffle and had avoided discussing anything of consequence.

The MSN should stick to lying about not being a conman goung by the name of Michael Green. Awful person, awful MP, awful minister

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

You have to be insured un a car or on a motorbike. Most horse riders are insured (at least for public liability) and as a cyclist can as easily cause an accident as any other road user then why should that not be a requirement?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

I agree.

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

I totally agree. I also think helmets should be compulsory as head injuries cost the NHS a fortune. I know of a person who ended up in permanent residential care before the age of 30 due to banging their unprotected head in an accident. Cost is over £2.5k per week due to the specialised care required

J x

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By *ockey64Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

As a driver, a motorcyclist and a cyclist. I have both assisted and just pedal power. Yes you should be insured to be on the road. At least a third party type insurance. And yes some sort of identification plate . 20% of Inner city roads are taken up with cycle lanes nowadays in a lot of places. It’s a danger both ways. So yes , insurance and and ID plate of some sort

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By *ociable-NottmCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

J x"

In fairness the amount of motorists, pedestrians, d*unks and in particular pensioners admitted to hospital with head injuries dwarves the number of cyclists sustaining head injuries.

Cyclists in Holland don't wear helmets abd there hospitals aren't full of cyclists with head injuries

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

It is telling that Shapps never suggested compulsory helmet use which is easily enforced presumably because he has no intention of enforcing any of this

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

J x

In fairness the amount of motorists, pedestrians, d*unks and in particular pensioners admitted to hospital with head injuries dwarves the number of cyclists sustaining head injuries.

Cyclists in Holland don't wear helmets abd there hospitals aren't full of cyclists with head injuries"

Yep. Statistically true. But most sensible riders will wear one even if not legally required.

I'm sure if insurance was required there'd be a requirement for protective headgear as there is with motorbikes, which may prompt those still not wearing any to do so.

I don't think there's any need for licence plates, mot's, tax or any registration for cyclists - just insurance. Anything else would just be a cash generator for the government and benefit nobody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are plenty of drivers in cars with no insurance so trying to get cyclists insured is not likely. If they do push this through all it will do is dry lots of cyclists off the road. And if they are thinking of this how about making people in mobility scooters get insured too.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Cyclists will get number plates around the same time as pedestrians do.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Great idea. They seem to get more priority on the road than car drivers tgese days, so yeah let them pay a tax (altho if based on emissions this would be next to if not nothing anyway). Let them have to be insured so when they cause an accident or damage they can be held responsible instead of the car driver having to claim or cover the costs themselves. And a competency test or cbt like for a moped should be mandatory. Bikes should be mot to make sure there not on the road falling apart. And make thwm ride single file too rather than 3 abreast on country lanes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I own a car and motor bike so think I’m paying enough tax and insurance if have to do it for my cycle I will just get rid of it and use the car more great for the congestion and environment ????

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

J x

In fairness the amount of motorists, pedestrians, d*unks and in particular pensioners admitted to hospital with head injuries dwarves the number of cyclists sustaining head injuries.

Cyclists in Holland don't wear helmets abd there hospitals aren't full of cyclists with head injuries

Yep. Statistically true. But most sensible riders will wear one even if not legally required.

I'm sure if insurance was required there'd be a requirement for protective headgear as there is with motorbikes, which may prompt those still not wearing any to do so.

I don't think there's any need for licence plates, mot's, tax or any registration for cyclists - just insurance. Anything else would just be a cash generator for the government and benefit nobody.

To be clear, I wear a helmet. But I'm aware that other than riding off road the most likely reason I will have an accident is involving a motor vehicle and a helmet will make little or no difference to the severity of the outcome.

I'm in favour of mandatory use, despite the fact it is proven to reduce numbers cycling not because of a safety measure but because it removes the ridiculous red herring that is mandatory helmet use.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Great idea. They seem to get more priority on the road than car drivers tgese days, so yeah let them pay a tax (altho if based on emissions this would be next to if not nothing anyway). Let them have to be insured so when they cause an accident or damage they can be held responsible instead of the car driver having to claim or cover the costs themselves. And a competency test or cbt like for a moped should be mandatory. Bikes should be mot to make sure there not on the road falling apart. And make thwm ride single file too rather than 3 abreast on country lanes. "

Are you one of Grant Shapes’ advisors?

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Are you one of Grant Shapes’ advisors?

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wish i was . Maybe my salary would be better than it is now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea? "

I think it's a good idea to introduce some form of identification. Cyclists are quick to report driving offences and can give reg plates to police and usually with helmet cam evidence. How does a motorist go about identifying a cyclist?

I also think insurance should be compulsory as well as wearing a helmet when cycling on public roads.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

I also think insurance should be compulsory as well as wearing a helmet when cycling on public roads."
if there identifiable and have a licence that can collect points like car drivers, do they might ride safer . Near me i fobt think ive seen a cyclist stop at a red. They either mount the kirb and go through on the pavement or straight through with the flow of trafic fron the other direction

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

I also think insurance should be compulsory as well as wearing a helmet when cycling on public roads."

Every study has shown that the extremely low level of incidence caused by cyclists compared with motorists and their effects, the huge cost of administering such schemes compared with the revenues they generate and the disincentive it causes to cycling when any rational government wants to increase the numbers of cyclists on the road means all these ‘schemes’ make no social or financial sense. Countries who have implemented such schemes have always withdrawn them after realising their folly.

We have a completely irrational government that acts against evidence though, so you could be in luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea? "

Amazing idea considering the amount of twats on the road being ignorant. I believe if you are on the road like everyone else than you should be paying some sort of tax. If they can make cycle lanes and shit then whoever is a cyclist should pay there way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can understand those of you living outside a major city not appreciating the problem, but speaking as a driver in central london i can assure you that large numbers of cyclists are causing serious accidents and mayhem by their blatant disregard for anyone except themselves. They know they currently can’t be identified or held responsible for what they do and take full advantage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

I also think insurance should be compulsory as well as wearing a helmet when cycling on public roads.

We have a completely irrational government that acts against evidence though, so you could be in luck. "

I'm pretty confident there are far less cyclists on the road than there are motorists though and there's no doubt an element of unproven blame due to cyclists being unidentifiable.

Hopefully this will change in the future.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I can understand those of you living outside a major city not appreciating the problem, but speaking as a driver in central london i can assure you that large numbers of cyclists are causing serious accidents and mayhem by their blatant disregard for anyone except themselves. They know they currently can’t be identified or held responsible for what they do and take full advantage. "

They sound just like our current government!

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

Quite a few accidents caused by pedestrians, particularly when they’re d*unk. Will you be suggesting public liability insurance for them?

What about smokers? Now they can’t smoke in the pub, most of them are clustered around the door so passers by have to passive smoke their shit. Lots of research about the dangers of passive smoking. Insurance for the smoker, pedestrians or both?

At a time when we should be cutting use of carbon fuels, why don’t we encourage bike use rather than see how we can monetise it?

Gbat

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

I also think insurance should be compulsory as well as wearing a helmet when cycling on public roads.

We have a completely irrational government that acts against evidence though, so you could be in luck.

I'm pretty confident there are far less cyclists on the road than there are motorists though and there's no doubt an element of unproven blame due to cyclists being unidentifiable.

Hopefully this will change in the future.

It really won’t.

The fact is that if all drivers concentrated on being better drivers and stopped concerning themselves with what cyclists do, the roads would be a lot safer for everyone.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

ALL road user should be accountable and traceable for their actions regardless of chosen mode of transport.

Insure the individual not the vehicle.

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By *ibi_curiousCouple
over a year ago

Shepperton

As a London driver, I think registration number plates on a bicycle would be a great idea, and could make the rider think twice about riding through red lights, on the pavement, and ignoring road signs. As for club cyclist who think they are riding the tour de France in peliton formation and taking up the whole road, without any consideration for other road users! They need to be pulled over and given a fine.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

On the rare occasion that I cycle in London, my biggest worry is other cyclists!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

I live in a 20 mph village and regularly see cyclists going faster, are they not too a danger to pedestrians at those speeds

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

I live in a 20 mph village and regularly see cyclists going faster, are they not too a danger to pedestrians at those speeds "
why is it daft . How you you identify said cyclist for going too fast or tale gating or been abusive to car drivers. Loads of jumped up cyclist near me liek to be verbaly abusive and throw thibgs at cars. ( my car dash cam and motorbike go pro proves this )

Then they cycle off never to be seen again. Atleast with a number plate registerd to that bike that cyclist can be held responsible.

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I passed my 'tufty' bike test when i was younger.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good "
why are they impractical

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

Absurd idea. What format would the plate be? What size? What font? Illuminated at night? How would registration happen? Where would it be housed? Software would need to be written at probably DVLA, Police National Computer, Motor Insurance Database and if MOT required then DoT. Vastly expensive and sledgehammer to miss a nut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

I live in a 20 mph village and regularly see cyclists going faster, are they not too a danger to pedestrians at those speeds why is it daft . How you you identify said cyclist for going too fast or tale gating or been abusive to car drivers. Loads of jumped up cyclist near me liek to be verbaly abusive and throw thibgs at cars. ( my car dash cam and motorbike go pro proves this )

Then they cycle off never to be seen again. Atleast with a number plate registerd to that bike that cyclist can be held responsible."

As a vehicle plate is far too big for a bike

As per other comments on here, some bespoke better fitting identification would make more sense

and sorry to hear you have offensive cyclists, ones round here are generally rather pleasant

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good "

Compulsory Hi Vis vest with an ID of some kind printed large on it. The vest comes when you take out insurance (on the individual not the bike) to enable road use. No insurance/no vest no riding on the road = criminal offence.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

Then they cycle off never to be seen again. Atleast with a number plate registerd to that bike that cyclist can be held responsible.

As a vehicle plate is far too big for a bike

As per other comments on here, some bespoke better fitting identification would make more sense

and sorry to hear you have offensive cyclists, ones round here are generally rather pleasant "
motorbike plates are generally smaller than car plates. The plate size can be figured out

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Who will enforce these laws any way? Imagine how difficult it would be to catch a teenager on a bike. There are very few police officers around and they would need a new bicycle police department. At least they would all be fit.

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good why are they impractical"

Where would you fit it on a bicycle as not to be dangerous to rider or other road users and pedestrians.

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good

Good idea

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

They should obey the speed limit but how will they know what speed they're doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should obey the speed limit but how will they know what speed they're doing?"

I’ve heard of this new invention called a speedometer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

Would you trust that one you buy for a bike is calibrated correctly to be accurate. You'd be risking a fine and possibly penalty points on what could possibly be cheap Chinese tat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grant Shapps is another Tory wannabe who is totally out of his depth. The fact he is finding time to talk about cyclists during these times is a clear example of it. What a complete knob he is.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good

Again, every study shows schemes like this are non-workable, non-financially viable and a disincentive to cycling when governments are seeking to encourage it.

Bit do keep dreaming!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

Then they cycle off never to be seen again. Atleast with a number plate registerd to that bike that cyclist can be held responsible.

As a vehicle plate is far too big for a bike

As per other comments on here, some bespoke better fitting identification would make more sense

and sorry to hear you have offensive cyclists, ones round here are generally rather pleasant motorbike plates are generally smaller than car plates. The plate size can be figured out "

Have you ever seen a bicycle?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea? "

Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"They should obey the speed limit but how will they know what speed they're doing?

I’ve heard of this new invention called a speedometer

Compulsory equipment is a disincentive to cycling. Compulsory speedometers will never happen.

It took years to make bells compulsory, and they are as cheap an add-on as you can get.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Would you trust that one you buy for a bike is calibrated correctly to be accurate. You'd be risking a fine and possibly penalty points on what could possibly be cheap Chinese tat.

Not a problem - it could be checked when cyclists are going for the MOTs that will never be introduced!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road "

Finally - the voice of reason!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

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By *ybersub GuyMan
over a year ago

Bristol

I think this country has a lot bigger issues to tackle than bicycle number plates...

still perhaps the powers that be see a future where only the rich can afford cars so its bikes for the rest of us !!

They will need to enforce taxes on the new masses of cyclists somehow !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road "

But unfortunately most of them seem to be on the pavement especially at junctions, traffic lights and roundabouts

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road "

Why do you hate cyclist’s?

I pay lots towards our roads. I often cycle to and through Colchester so watch out!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also "

Insurance for what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what? "

Let’s say your in traffic and a push bike cones past your car and scratches your car, who will pay for the damage?

I’ve had this happen two times and had to sort it out myself as no way of telling who the bike owner was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if they cause an accident

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By *orkcoastguyMan
over a year ago

Bridlington.

"It's a dumb, unworkable idea that will never happen.

It's just a distraction from the real problems of the day"

They had them in Jersey & it worked perfectly well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

How many bikes are there in the UK? 20 million or more? How long, how much effort and how much money would it take to back record convert all of these into a register?

If money is to be spent on road safety then perhaps investing in repairing potholes would benefit all road users.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

A lot of cyclists do pay insurance: public liability insurance. It's often included in bike insurance as a matter of course.

I read that there are about 1 million uninsured drivers on the roads in the UK, so even if cyclists had to pay something akin to vehicle insurance it's safe to assume not all would so it wouldn't necessarily solve the (albeit anecdotal) example of a cyclist scratching your car.

Also, unlike a driver who has to undertake considerable training in the form of lessons and tests to prove they're responsible enough to drive around in a death machine, are we saying that an 8 year old should be held to the same standards as an driver with 20 years' road experience?

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

Also, this idea that cyclists causing accidents is even remotely comparable to car/van/truck drivers is laughable.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good

Again, every study shows schemes like this are non-workable, non-financially viable and a disincentive to cycling when governments are seeking to encourage it.

Bit do keep dreaming!

Yeah but we were told enforcing seat belt wearing wouldn’t catch on. Mobile phone use in cars. There are always barriers and always people saying yeah but.

All road user, regardless of chosen mode of transport, should have proportional insurance and be identifiable in some way to make them accountable for their actions. Never know, it might encourage better behaviour and make roads safer for all!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?"

Because we have nice bottoms!

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because we have nice bottoms!

Haha, I mean that is true

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what? "

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

For the record, when I'm cycling I'm very considerate, always signal, always stop when I'm supposed to stop. I ride like I was taught how to drive.

I get really fucked off when I see someone bombing it on a pavement/shared path/through traffic lights etc because it makes us all easy targets

Not as fucked off as some entitled gimp cutting me up in their car, close passing me when I've got my kid in the seat, or even the time some taxi pulled out in front of me, clipped me, sent me flying on to the road and drove off but it's all relative I guess.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?"

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!"

Fat bottomed girls they make the rocking world go round... We were told by Freddie.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!"

You make a strong case, I present my bum to you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea? "

Stupid, typical Conservative. But bikers do need to pay some form of tax. You have more roads rights than cars, yet don't even need insurance. Plus majority are rd hogs.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"For the record, when I'm cycling I'm very considerate, always signal, always stop when I'm supposed to stop. I ride like I was taught how to drive.

I get really fucked off when I see someone bombing it on a pavement/shared path/through traffic lights etc because it makes us all easy targets

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

Insurance (of the individual) should be compulsory along with a way to ID. It will change behaviour for all but the worst dickheads!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!

Fat bottomed girls they make the rocking world go round... We were told by Freddie. "

Backformore you already used that one! Need some new material otherwise gonna call these dad jokes!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"As a London driver, I think registration number plates on a bicycle would be a great idea, and could make the rider think twice about riding through red lights, on the pavement, and ignoring road signs. As for club cyclist who think they are riding the tour de France in peliton formation and taking up the whole road, without any consideration for other road users! They need to be pulled over and given a fine."

Fined for what?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Fined for what?"

Has highway code changed on this - when I learned to drive bicycles were required to ride in single file except when overtaking.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Number plates are unfortunately impractical, but some way of identifying dangerous riders would be good why are they impractical"

Given that no country in the world has ever introduced them largely because of practical issues, I suspect evidence supports that they are

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too."

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

The majority of kids who cycle dangerously who cause accidents won’t ever be registered or insured, just like with motorists. So all you do is create a disincentive to cycling amongst the average user with no material benefit. Which is one of the many reasons why it will never happen.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Fined for what?

Has highway code changed on this - when I learned to drive bicycles were required to ride in single file except when overtaking."

Lol answer my own question...

“Currently, the rule says: “You should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends.”

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Today's cyclists v the world thread...

My opinion. Start policing the roads and foot paths and cycle paths properly. All road users to do a "competency" (I know let's call it a cycling proficiency test) and all equipment used on public roads to be safe... (as an example... Have breaks that work)...

We have millions of bloody cameras recording our every move so it can't be beyond our abilities. Or better still get Plod out of their cars parked behind hedges and on bikes.

Force local authorities to maintains safe highways and footpaths.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"For the record, when I'm cycling I'm very considerate, always signal, always stop when I'm supposed to stop. I ride like I was taught how to drive.

I get really fucked off when I see someone bombing it on a pavement/shared path/through traffic lights etc because it makes us all easy targets

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

Insurance (of the individual) should be compulsory along with a way to ID. It will change behaviour for all but the worst dickheads!"

Not disputing there are shit cunts and good cunts on both sides (there's even some of us who ride and drive) but what's the relative number of incidents/accidents/injuries/deaths caused by both? Also, a lot of cyclists do have insurance. And again, is a child cyclist to be held to the same standard as an adult cyclist and a driver? How is it practicably enforced?

Personally I think the answer is better infrastructure but who's paying for that? Not this government that's for sure, why solve something when you can just play the blame game for a cheap headline.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"A plate for a bike is daft, But if cyclists use the roads, they should obey the speed limit

Then they cycle off never to be seen again. Atleast with a number plate registerd to that bike that cyclist can be held responsible.

As a vehicle plate is far too big for a bike

As per other comments on here, some bespoke better fitting identification would make more sense

and sorry to hear you have offensive cyclists, ones round here are generally rather pleasant motorbike plates are generally smaller than car plates. The plate size can be figured out

Have you ever seen a bicycle? "
obviously

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

It's an expensive solution looking for a small problem.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

Except it then criminalises the behaviour (riding without insurance) so if caught (yes big if) or when involved in accident and “discovered”, you face hefty fine/court etc. Just get the insurance dammit!

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened? "

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!

Fat bottomed girls they make the rocking world go round... We were told by Freddie.

Backformore you already used that one! Need some new material otherwise gonna call these dad jokes!"

It's true...but it was a different set up line I thought I'd get away with it.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Completely stupid idea! X

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

The difference is the dickheads on bikes are far less likely to kill or injure other road users.

And that some motorists, particularly those who are most vocal with their vitriol view all cyclists as dickheads regardless of how safe and considerate we ride

The di

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat "
is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because they are all very naughty and it would be fun!

Fat bottomed girls they make the rocking world go round... We were told by Freddie.

Backformore you already used that one! Need some new material otherwise gonna call these dad jokes!

It's true...but it was a different set up line I thought I'd get away with it. "

You didn’t! That is 10 naughty points. Line up on the wall with those naughty cyclists, pants down ready to be spanked!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat "

I'm sure other countries have liability insurance as a matter of course for such matters.

I don't get why our country needs to lock itself into what we did 50 years ago. If bikes or pedestrians or anyone else are at fault for causing damage or injury then yes they should be fined / provide compensation. Why should they be exempt?

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?"

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

The difference is the dickheads on bikes are far less likely to kill or injure other road users.

And that some motorists, particularly those who are most vocal with their vitriol view all cyclists as dickheads regardless of how safe and considerate we ride

The di"

Which is why the insurance should be proportional. Highway Code been changed to reflect potential scale of damage (ie larger vehicles give way to smaller - cars turning left with bike coming up inside) so why can’t insurance reflect that?

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By *nglo-Indian-DelightCouple
over a year ago

Worcestershire

I will never put a f##king reg plate on any of my bicycles, this is an utterly ridiculous idea.

Yes cyclists need to be more considerate but then so do all road users.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?"

Down the middle of the road of course

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"What comes next,

Tax, Mot, Insurance, competency to ride test.

At what age will people be required to comply?

Good or bad idea?

I know agreed! So many ignorant twats in cars u not belive! X

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By *flkfunseekerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?

Down the middle of the road of course

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?

Down the middle of the road of course

Haha, that's good!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"For the record, when I'm cycling I'm very considerate, always signal, always stop when I'm supposed to stop. I ride like I was taught how to drive.

I get really fucked off when I see someone bombing it on a pavement/shared path/through traffic lights etc because it makes us all easy targets

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

Insurance (of the individual) should be compulsory along with a way to ID. It will change behaviour for all but the worst dickheads!

Personally I think the answer is better infrastructure but who's paying for that? Not this government that's for sure, why solve something when you can just play the blame game for a cheap headline."

There is no doubt we need better infrastructure. Ours is verging on 3rd world in many places. Its embarrassing.

But I can't imagine even with better infrastructure we would all miraculously become trained, competent, law abiding, respectful cyclists and motorists... Pedestrians need a wakeup too with the silent eV assassins on the road.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"For the record, when I'm cycling I'm very considerate, always signal, always stop when I'm supposed to stop. I ride like I was taught how to drive.

I get really fucked off when I see someone bombing it on a pavement/shared path/through traffic lights etc because it makes us all easy targets

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

Insurance (of the individual) should be compulsory along with a way to ID. It will change behaviour for all but the worst dickheads!

Personally I think the answer is better infrastructure but who's paying for that? Not this government that's for sure, why solve something when you can just play the blame game for a cheap headline.

There is no doubt we need better infrastructure. Ours is verging on 3rd world in many places. Its embarrassing.

Yes! The real enemy: the headphoned pedestrian!

You're right though, better infrastructure doesn't make better riders and drivers. But at least it helps separate the traffic better, I think a cultural shift might follow though. Every time I go to Holland my mind is blown by how well it works there

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?"
at 1st school we had to do a Cycling profincy training . Id say after this course (covered by an official examiner) get a certificate then ypur allowed on a road. With out that then no simple.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because we have nice bottoms!

Haha, I mean that is true

It really is true I got this tight firm bum riding my bike for rhe last 50+ years!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

The difference is the dickheads on bikes are far less likely to kill or injure other road users.

And that some motorists, particularly those who are most vocal with their vitriol view all cyclists as dickheads regardless of how safe and considerate we ride

The di

So you're happy to pay more insurance as a motorist?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

We just don’t have the infrastructure. Thanks to the Conservatives the court system is already at breaking point and is barely fit fit purpose as it is. Adding in a load of court time to slap cyclists on the wrists for making steam come out of the ears of Daily Mail readers will simply never happen.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because we have nice bottoms!

Haha, I mean that is true

It really is true I got this tight firm bum riding my bike for rhe last 50+ years! "

Haha, we also have good stamina

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Adding in a load of court time to slap cyclists on the wrists for making steam come out of the ears of Daily Mail readers will simply never happen."

Haha

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By *ayHaychMan
over a year ago

Leeds (Home) / Sheffield (Work)

The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

Not a Faily Heil reader here and never will be. Just makes good sense that anyone using the road regardless of their chosen mode of transport is required to have insurance. The number plate idea is whack. Insure the individual not the “vehicle”. It could be an add on to home insurance, we all have that right?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"all cyclists should be lined up against a wall and have their bottoms smacked

Why?

Because we have nice bottoms!

Haha, I mean that is true

It really is true I got this tight firm bum riding my bike for rhe last 50+ years!

Haha, we also have good stamina"

For sure!

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL "

RIDE OR DI3

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL "

CH3K M9 4R53 0U7

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Shock horror there are dickheads driving cars/trucks/buses/motorcycles and there are dickheads riding bikes. There are also good considerate drivers/riders too.

The difference is the dickheads on bikes are far less likely to kill or injure other road users.

And that some motorists, particularly those who are most vocal with their vitriol view all cyclists as dickheads regardless of how safe and considerate we ride

The di

So you're happy to pay more insurance as a motorist?"

More insurance than what?

It is currently less expensive to insure a car than it is a truck. Ergo it should be less expensive to insure a bicycle than a car. Saying that, I think it should be the individual not the vehicle.

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL

CH3K M9 4R53 0U7"

Hahaha. Also... yep it's cracking

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

Yes, if you ignore all the obvious reasons why it won’t and can never work, it does make a lot of sense!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL

CH3K M9 4R53 0U7"

1 L0V3 C0K

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

Regardless, the point is where do you draw the line?at 1st school we had to do a Cycling profincy training . Id say after this course (covered by an official examiner) get a certificate then ypur allowed on a road. With out that then no simple. "

Exactly.. No idea what kids have to do now... But my first bike, parents told me I had to do the proficiency test before I could go out on it (OK so a long time ago). I also got stopped and bollocked by a police foot patrol (yes they existed and I respected them) for riding on the footpath alongside my schoolmates who were on foot.

We seem to shy away from anything that requires a little effort and responsibility.

I stand to be corrected but I'm sure when I lived in Germany any collision between a bike and a pedestrian or cyclist was by default the car drivers fault. It helps focus drivers attention a bit more.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Good idea. I hate cyclists and they should be taxed to be on the road

Finally - the voice of reason!

Need to pay insurance also

Insurance for what?

Third Party Liability in case the cyclist causes any damage to an individual and/or their property. With insurance company to handle the claim. Just like other road users!

If cyclists want to get extra cover go Comprehensive so their repair bills covered too.

The problem you are failing to see is that the only cyclists who take this out will be ones who cycle safely. And the vast majority of those will already have it.

Yes, if you ignore all the obvious reasons why it won’t and can never work, it does make a lot of sense!

You’re just being defeatist now! Where is you can do attitude? Just insure the buggers and e done with it!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The question is what plate would you want?

I wouldn’t mind BI 2 CYCL

CH3K M9 4R53 0U7

1 L0V3 C0K"

M9 0V4 81K35 4 C4R

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Bikes should have insurance what if it’s there fault that an accident happened?

Pedestrians should have insurance. What if it’s their fault that an accident happened?

And at what age will we start asking for insurance? Five year olds in the park?

Who’s going to fund the cost of adding all this to the DVLA database?

Gbat is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

But some children are confident enough to ride on the road, or have little choice sometimes what with piss poor infrastructure.

We seem to shy away from anything that requires a little effort and responsibility.

I’d want massive rubber bumpers all around the car!

Wait if a bike hit a pedestrian it was the cars fault too????

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

If you insure the individual the you'd need to be able to identify them which would probably require a number plate of some description which would be impracticle. Insurance is not a bad idea of itself but how would it work in real life situations?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

BREAKING Grant Shapps: Pedestrians must wear zorbing balls.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"If you insure the individual the you'd need to be able to identify them which would probably require a number plate of some description which would be impracticle. Insurance is not a bad idea of itself but how would it work in real life situations?"

Read up the thread. Compulsory hi-vis vest with some insurance ID clearly printed. Ride without your vest = fine.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Or just carry ID. Like most other countries.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"BREAKING Grant Shapps: Pedestrians must wear zorbing balls."

Could be fun! Naked Zorbing! Bit of a bugger with shopping though!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Or as a more practical suggestion, all bikes to be fitted with flag poles to attach registration flags to (front and rear).

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"BREAKING Grant Shapps: Pedestrians must wear zorbing balls.

Could be fun! Naked Zorbing! Bit of a bugger with shopping though!"

If we keep eating like we are we won't need the zorb balls.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Or as a more practical suggestion, all bikes to be fitted with flag poles to attach registration flags to (front and rear)."

I can see some people taking them down to joust with. No we need good ideas

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"BREAKING Grant Shapps: Pedestrians must wear zorbing balls.

Could be fun! Naked Zorbing! Bit of a bugger with shopping though!

If we keep eating like we are we won't need the zorb balls."

Speak for yourself

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Or as a more practical suggestion, all bikes to be fitted with flag poles to attach registration flags to (front and rear).

I can see some people taking them down to joust with. No we need good ideas

"
the jousting sounds fun

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?"

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

And anyway, the park is full of waaaaaay more vulnerable people. Pedestrians, other children, both on and off bikes, depending on the park, animals off their leads, people lying on the grass. You get my drift. More likely to injure someone else in the park than injure someone else on the main road.

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Well, if it was a good suggestion it wouldn’t have been suggested by a government minister.

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

I never carry idea as I have no need to and don't have to. In any event how would this be relevant in this topic? Any ID would need to be visible to everyone not in a wallet!

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By *hillenCouple
over a year ago

Borehamwood

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"I own a car and motor bike so think I’m paying enough tax and insurance if have to do it for my cycle I will just get rid of it and use the car more great for the congestion and environment ????"
thqts your choice . If you want ta car bike cycle bus or tractor . You should have to pay . If you want 1 or all the above

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

Impossible it’s just political posturing for the leadership election and what comes after.

I do think though that all road users should have some form of insurance I dropped my motorbike years ago because of a cyclist and even though got his details a etc never got my costs back and just wished I’d thumped him now.

The police should actively take action against poor riders as well.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Impossible it’s just political posturing for the leadership election and what comes after.

The police should actively take action against poor riders as well. "

Let’s say they doubled the size of the police force tomorrow. Do you think they would be concerning themselves with taking action against ‘bad cyclists’, or using these fantasy resources to try to tackle the many genuine crimes they don’t currently have the resources to tackle? Like burglaries, for instance?

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Impossible it’s just political posturing for the leadership election and what comes after.

The police should actively take action against poor riders as well.

Stop talking sense!

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Fined for what?

Has highway code changed on this - when I learned to drive bicycles were required to ride in single file except when overtaking.

Lol answer my own question...

“Currently, the rule says: “You should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends.” "
I can see why and yes I see many cyclist who block the traffic where 2 of them are cycling beside eachother and doesnt move, so then the cars behind have to find a gap to get pass them, likewise with buses who cant pass them on busy london roads.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Or as a more practical suggestion, all bikes to be fitted with flag poles to attach registration flags to (front and rear).

I can see some people taking them down to joust with. No we need good ideas

the jousting sounds fun

Will need to be careful with all those naughty cyclist naked bottoms lined up against a walk waiting to be spanked. One wrong move with the flag pole while jousting and...

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat "
10 yr on a cul de sac is a road so yes.

12 yr going swiming. Is he she going on a toad if so then yes.

15yr on country ROAD then yes .

Any road any age. If the 5 yr old is able to be let on the road then its able to fo the course. Any bike and age on a road then needs to be covered in sone way. As said above horse riders do for roads. Mobility scooters should too. And e-scooters. Why should it just be cars and larger vehicles. Does it matter in a car if the driver is 17 or 57 ? It stil needs cover

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

"Impossible it’s just political posturing for the leadership election and what comes after.

The police should actively take action against poor riders as well.

The police have an issue that no one is addressing, the actions of them will end policing by consent model in the UK and they do need to go back to basics at some point, when will insurance companies stop required a crime number, it’s just a wasted phone call to report anyway and it could save some times and effort for everyone.

Look at the crazy chief constable of the BTC who’s profiled and branded trainspotters as potential kiddy fiddlers and racists….. it’s the kind of shit you expect from the Met or South Yorkshire. I digress.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Or as a more practical suggestion, all bikes to be fitted with flag poles to attach registration flags to (front and rear).

I can see some people taking them down to joust with. No we need good ideas

the jousting sounds fun

Will need to be careful with all those naughty cyclist naked bottoms lined up against a walk waiting to be spanked. One wrong move with the flag pole while jousting and...

"
some might like it

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat 10 yr on a cul de sac is a road so yes.

12 yr going swiming. Is he she going on a toad if so then yes.

15yr on country ROAD then yes .

Wait a minute. The 12yr old is riding a TOAD! That sounds dangerous to me!

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Registered and insured

its not always the car drivers fault if an incident occurs but its usually the car driver thats out of pocket ..everything using the roads should be insured and registered

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat 10 yr on a cul de sac is a road so yes.

12 yr going swiming. Is he she going on a toad if so then yes.

15yr on country ROAD then yes .

Wait a minute. The 12yr old is riding a TOAD! That sounds dangerous to me!

"
* toads need taxing too *

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat 10 yr on a cul de sac is a road so yes.

12 yr going swiming. Is he she going on a toad if so then yes.

15yr on country ROAD then yes .

Wait a minute. The 12yr old is riding a TOAD! That sounds dangerous to me!

* toads need taxing too *

But only if they are on the road. You could also stop them and check they know the highway code. They will say “reddit”

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"and no country has ever successfully introduced them.

I believe that North Korea did

It's funny (not funny) how many Tory "ideas" right now seem to require a really authoritarian government in order to work - like Dizzy Lizzy's "British Workers need to be more like the Chinese" thing the other day.

It's almost as if that's the direction they want to head.

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

I passed my cycling proficiency test years ago I seem to have lost the badge and certificate I'm afraid, anyone know how to get replacements

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By *6J9Man
over a year ago

Reading

"and no country has ever successfully introduced them.

I believe that North Korea did

It's almost as if that's the direction they want to head.

Sounds like a lot of extra work, we're too feckless to be doing with that

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"I passed my cycling proficiency test years ago I seem to have lost the badge and certificate I'm afraid, anyone know how to get replacements"
www.bikeability.org.uk

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat "

Any public road, you're arguing that anyone, any age, any competency should be able to ride on a public highway. Of course not. For their safety and anyone else's. Private roads and car parks and woodland and park land are different.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Impossible it’s just political posturing for the leadership election and what comes after.

The police should actively take action against poor riders as well.

Why not a toofer? Burglars get to and from their crimes somehow? If they care so little they are stealing and damaging others hard earned properties and possessions.. There's a pretty good chance they'll not have insurance.... Hey while they are at it... Do the knife and drug search.... Give them McDonald's stars for the number they catch...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"and no country has ever successfully introduced them.

I believe that North Korea did

It's almost as if that's the direction they want to head.

Work hard for the common good.? Yeah that'll never work.. I mean its not as if the Chinese economy is doing well or anything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Its just another way of bashing the poor working class.

Can't afford a car, fuel,insurance

Tax to get to work or go shopping?

Can't afford to insure/tax a bicycle?

Who will the police target, thats if there are any available as most will be on their institutional racism and cultural awareness or domestic violence/abuse courses which have resulted in no change.

Its not the officers fault. Its underfunding and rubbish pay for

A particularly difficult and stressful job.

Our government is failing us and the opposition is no opposition.

Its totally shit.

Which country would you go to given the chance?

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Any road any age. If the 5 yr old is able to be let on the road then its able to fo the course. Any bike and age on a road then needs to be covered in sone way. As said above horse riders do for roads. Mobility scooters should too. And e-scooters. Why should it just be cars and larger vehicles. Does it matter in a car if the driver is 17 or 57 ? It stil needs cover"

Speak to your MP about it. I imagine there are many other constituents that also think 5 year olds should pay mandatory insurance to use their bikes to go to the park. You could be on to something here!

Gbat

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

you're arguing that anyone, any age, any competency should be able to ride on a public highway. Of course not. "

At no stage have I ever said that, nor do I think that.

I have said we should not seek to make it mandatory to insure pedal cyclists.

I offered the examples of children using their pedal cycles and asked if they would also need insurance. Another person said yes, which I completely disagree with.

I hope that’s clearer for you?

Thanks for joining in,

Gbat

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Wow , this remember me when i had my first bicycle, many people probay don't know , but this was a common practice in the 60', 70's and 80's im many countries in Europe.

In the 90's was abolished.

Defenitly this is one way of government chasing people's money!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Its just another way of bashing the poor working class.

Can't afford a car, fuel,insurance

Tax to get to work or go shopping?

Can't afford to insure/tax a bicycle?

This is very true. There are charities that donate bikes ti refugees and to poor families, not seeing the bike as a leisure activity but as a mode of transport and independence. They'd be completely failed by this idea.

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By *hoenix_1Man
over a year ago

richmond

"I think as a minimum public liability insurance should be required.

I agree. "

And I do

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This will be another thing that can't be policed correctly.

Just like those illegal escooters, that the police have admitted to not having the time/manpower to deal with them.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I passed my cycling proficiency test years ago I seem to have lost the badge and certificate I'm afraid, anyone know how to get replacements"

Did u get the handle bar badge? Remember u had to pass 97% I think to qualify for that I missed it by couple points was so disappointed! X

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Some will have to be done about e-bikes, and people modifying them so they can do around 40 miles an hour.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Work hard ****under the threat of government sanction if you don't*** ? Yeah that'll never work.. I mean its not as if the Chinese economy is doing well because their massively authoritarian government is enaged in the practice of forced labour on their citizens or anything - what could go wrong if we did that here? "

here you go - fixed that for you

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

here you go - fixed that for you"

So you don't like the idea of working hard for a common cause?

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

So you don't like the idea of working hard for a common cause? "

You clearly don't know the meaning of the term "strawman argument"

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

"Grant Shapps is another Tory wannabe who is totally out of his depth. The fact he is finding time to talk about cyclists during these times is a clear example of it. What a complete knob he is."

Diversion to cover up his handling of the railway disputes ?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

" is a 5 year old in a park riding on a main road ?

No. But nobody so far has suggested that the insurance would only apply to main roads. What about 10 year olds riding in their residential cul-de-sac?

What about 12 year olds cycling to school or swimming club?

15 year olds cycling into the countryside for some grown up adventures?

It’s just all a silly idea if you think it through, isn’t it?

Gbat 10 yr on a cul de sac is a road so yes.

12 yr going swiming. Is he she going on a toad if so then yes.

15yr on country ROAD then yes .

Thats because of a little thing called the road traffic act, it state that MOTORISED vehicles, (cars, motorbikes, lorries, etc.) Must have a suitable level of insurance in places.

Bicycles don't have a motor, therefore no legal requirement for them to be insured.

Why not get all the motorised vehicles insured, after all they legally should have it in place

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"So you don't like the idea of working hard for a common cause? "

I LOVE the idea of working hard for a common cause, as long as I agree with the cause.

For instance, if the common cause was the repeal or abortion rights then I wouldn’t want to work hard for that.

Nor would I want to work hard to repeal worker’s rights.

I’d love to work hard to achieve clean water in the developing world or the eradication of diabetes.

What about you? What common causes are you suggesting?

Gbat

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

So you don't like the idea of working hard for a common cause?

You clearly don't know the meaning of the term "strawman argument""

Clearly. Maybe you could explain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Far too much time and effort needed to find all the cycles in uk and who owns them. Cars and motor bikes have log books so they can be traced who knows who owns what cycles. DVLA would go into melt down trying to get that sorted out.

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