FabSwingers.com forum: Cycles to require numberplates

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

It's all over the news folks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has spoke. ^

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

Yes to number plates.

No to the speed limit - and I say that as someone who only hits 20mph+ downhill with a following wind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

Sounds fair to me,a lot of electric bikes can now do 30mph quicker than a moped

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Yes if cars gonna get the wrath of the law for jumping Red lights as well! Not sure on the number plates ? As for 20 mph I don't think I ever reach that? X

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Yes to number plates, yes to speed limits as some of these lycra whirlwinds exceed 20 and there are a lot of places that have 20mph speed limits now - in addition they should have to have insurance for when they crash into innocent car users causing them untold mental anguish and often scratching paintwork - who do these two wheel tearaways think they are?? They’re like modern day outlaws….

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

These "ideas" have been suggested many times before.

Firstly how do you restrict the speed?

Secondly a faster cyclist is safer amongst traffic.

Thirdly do all bikes have a speedo?

Also, what about kids? Are we making kids register their bikes?

Then there's the practicality of number plates, you couldn't have something that is wider than the bike as that would become dangerous.

On top of that, you need to consider the implications that these restrictions would have on the number of cyclists. Do they really want to do something that would reduce the likelihood of people taking up cycling... when they're so desperate to reduce the volume of cars on the road?

Cal

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By *rivervaderMan
over a year ago

bolton

Yes, and they should stick to speed limit of the road. And have to be insured like the rest of us

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

There is... An argument for road tax/number plates etc.

If I want to sup on the rivers I need a license for maintaining the water ways costs. Roads need to be maintained. And better than they are currently.

Number plates for identifying law breaking like running lights.

If you're on the roads then there is a speed limit already set.

My electric mountain bike definitely won't go faster than 15 mph... It's as heavy as a tank.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Yes to number plates, yes to speed limits as some of these lycra whirlwinds exceed 20 and there are a lot of places that have 20mph speed limits now - in addition they should have to have insurance for when they crash into innocent car users causing them untold mental anguish and often scratching paintwork - who do these two wheel tearaways think they are?? They’re like modern day outlaws….

In places that have 20mph restrictions then they shd surley just follow them? Like we do stopping at red lights etc etc?? Follow the rules of the road?? X

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules."

Most do. Just like most motorists do.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Yes to number plates.

No to the speed limit - and I say that as someone who only hits 20mph+ downhill with a following wind."

What speed limit would you have?

Logically I would have said it should be the same limit as other road users.

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By *isfun2022Couple
over a year ago

Crawley

Personally I can’t see it happening. Who is going to enforce it? DVLA? The police etc are stretched enough as it is.

That being said yes I agree in a 20 zone near schools etc the speed limit should be adhered to. But jumping red lights in cities like London is de rigeur for cycle couriers and even cycle commuters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No point in having laws that can't be enforced. Far better to educate ppl on the highway code for cyclists and car drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not going to happen, but I think the bigger issue is proper infrastructure for cyclists, earlier education for children about how to cycle safely that's more consistent and a greater focus on educating motorists to not be giant thunder cunts trying to knock people off.

As for the wheelie boys aiming for traffic sans helmet, well, the only positive I can suggest is we do need more organ donors.

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood

About time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a cyclist myself, I think it's necessary. I am appalled by the number if cyclists who jump signals as if it's nothing.

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By *llaandGCouple
over a year ago

London

After the guy on a fixy killed a woman on Shoreditch I signed up for British Cycling for insurance in case I hit some one. Interestingly in that case the police were able to track his terrible behaviour on CCTV which helped with the prosecution.

I completely agree cyclists should obey the highway code but I think it would be difficult to enforce this. If you look at the behaviour of some of the moped delivery drivers in London that go completely unchecked this is going to be a much lower priority.

Glad to see the Daily Mail thought this is the biggest issue affecting the nation today...

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Sounds fair to me,a lot of electric bikes can now do 30mph quicker than a moped "

Not legally

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

"After the guy on a fixy killed a woman on Shoreditch I signed up for British Cycling for insurance in case I hit some one. Interestingly in that case the police were able to track his terrible behaviour on CCTV which helped with the prosecution.

Glad to see the Daily Mail thought this is the biggest issue affecting the nation today...

Do you mean there are illegal immigrants on bikes… here?? … in the UK??? We need to mobilise the army!!

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

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Is that 20mph on the road or just on footpaths??

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

It's all over the news folks.. "

Just saw that... Completely non enforceable but in the narnia we inhabit a good idea. Just need them to get insurance next and then we can treat all road users the same. Then we could have bike Mots to ensure all bikes used on the roads are safe.

Maybe make a start with the zoomy electric scooters and bikes and skateboards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tattoo a QR code to their forehead as well.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Shapps has made a number of comments thst are very much about pandering to a core demographic of voters rather any practical consideration of whether something is needed or practical

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Instead of a number plate on a bike you could make it law that the rider must wear a hi-vis vest with a “number plate” printed clearly on it. Anyone not wearing one is fined and bike confiscated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence."

And a number plate and lights too. Maybe some wheels to make them faster

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

How am I going to measure the speed I'm doing on my bike and know I'm not speeding?

Are speed cameras going to be adapted to spot cyclists? And if not how is the law going to be enforced?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Instead of a number plate on a bike you could make it law that the rider must wear a hi-vis vest with a “number plate” printed clearly on it. Anyone not wearing one is fined and bike confiscated."

Um nope! X

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence.

And a number plate and lights too. Maybe some wheels to make them faster "

And have footmen walking behind them to clean up all the horse shit they drop... Oh and have horse shoes with a minimum tread depth of 3mm

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Sounds fair to me,a lot of electric bikes can now do 30mph quicker than a moped

Not legally "

Exactly. There is a need to clamp down on illegal ebikes and escooters.

Bit the overwhelming majority of cyclists pose no risk or danger to other road users

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if you think cyclist should have the same insurance etc as a motorist then cyclist should be allowed to ride down motorways etc. it’s not cyclists that kill hundreds of people a year, regularly exceed every speed limit, pollute the atmosphere, damage roads or crash into buildings. Cyclists should also have same size lanes as motorists.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

20mph is a real rarity for me so I'm not likely to get caught by that one.

I'd be happy to have a number plate on my bike. Luke

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

The way the current laws of the road are framed is that pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists use the road by right.

Users of motorised vehicles use the road by license which can be revoked and removed at any point.

These suggestions keep occurring due to a sense of entitlement by said licensed road users.

The bigger point is how the road infrastructure has been built with a massive bias towards motorised vehicles and how now in the uk is only just starting on the journey of shared road space.

A Tory politician pandering to the loud voices of the motoring lobby. Not only polluting the atmosphere with emissions but also their hot air.

Question - in the last 10 years how many motorists have been killed by a cyclist.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I actually like the idea of making people wear hi viz clothing on a bike - my real fear on dark country roads is hitting a cyclist without lights who is wearing all black. They are basically invisible.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules."

As someone who cycles thousands of miles a year, but is also a driver of cars and vans and rides motorcycles. People shouldn't need to "earn the respect" of other road users. We all have a legal and moral responsibility to keep each other safe.

I understand that there is a huge difference between cycling in a big city like London versus a small town like Scunthorpe, but I see considerable more cars going through red light than bikes.

There is also a big difference between a sports cyclist and Ethel on her shopper, or the teenager who rides everywhere on one wheel. The hatred aimed at "Lycra Clad" cyclists is based solely on car drivers not wanting to slow down. In reality the teenager on the footpath doing wheelies are much more of a danger to pedestrians that someone doing 20mph on the road.

Yes cyclists SHOULD stick to the rules, but there's no need for extra laws... the existing ones are adequate.

Cal

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

A QR code number plate would work within the restrictions of space on a bike i think. - i do think in a fair society every user of a facility should contribute to its upkeep. Roads are there for all to use so we should all pay something towards it. All it requires is right minded people to show respect to the rules of the road and each other and the ones who don’t get punished harshly.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The way the current laws of the road are framed is that pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists use the road by right.

Users of motorised vehicles use the road by license which can be revoked and removed at any point.

These suggestions keep occurring due to a sense of entitlement by said licensed road users.

The bigger point is how the road infrastructure has been built with a massive bias towards motorised vehicles and how now in the uk is only just starting on the journey of shared road space.

A Tory politician pandering to the loud voices of the motoring lobby. Not only polluting the atmosphere with emissions but also their hot air.

Question - in the last 10 years how many motorists have been killed by a cyclist.

That's weak sauce. What about Pedestrians? Accidents caused or accidental damage. ? Near misses? It makes no sense on our busy over populated roads to have untrained uninsured folks using them. By the way should probably add the wobbly mobility scooters into the discussion too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is... An argument for road tax/number plates etc.

If I want to sup on the rivers I need a license for maintaining the water ways costs. Roads need to be maintained. And better than they are currently.

Number plates for identifying law breaking like running lights.

If you're on the roads then there is a speed limit already set.

My electric mountain bike definitely won't go faster than 15 mph... It's as heavy as a tank.

The hypothecated Road Fund Tax was abolished in 1936. Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty and over the years has come to reflect the extent a vehicle pollutes - it is a tax on a vehicle, not a tax that pays for the roads.

Electric cars pay no tax - why should cyclists as bikes are MUCH less environmentally damaging than an electric car?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"A QR code number plate would work within the restrictions of space on a bike i think. - i do think in a fair society every user of a facility should contribute to its upkeep. Roads are there for all to use so we should all pay something towards it. All it requires is right minded people to show respect to the rules of the road and each other and the ones who don’t get punished harshly.

We all do pay towards roads x

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By *ustamanMan
over a year ago

weymouth

Pedestrians to carry a plate and insurance in case they jaywalk and knock a cyclist off into a car killing him.

It's bollocks unpolicable head line grabbing by someone trying to raise their political profile

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

And thta would be fare if the roads and signage and verges were maintained to a safe level. Round here the roads are potholed beyond belief. If be pretty peed off if I was being charged to ride a bike on them.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

There's another thread on here where people are openly discussing the margins they think they can ignore average speed cameras, which completely highlights the entitlement of motorists. But yeah cyclists, we need to clamp down on cyclists to make our roads safer

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Also just because cyclists annoy you doesn't mean that they are inherently dangerous. They'll still annoy you if they have a number plate abd hi-viz

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Number plates fair enough. But 20 mph? On my road bike I just put my head down and go for it no idea how fast I’m going. I can see perhaps a speed restriction in urban areas but not the country side.

Mind you I doubt most hit 20 mph anyway including

me.

I have had a copper point his speed camera at me before and tell me how fast I was going as I cycled past. It was a magnificent 18 MPH.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"There's another thread on here where people are openly discussing the margins they think they can ignore average speed cameras, which completely highlights the entitlement of motorists. But yeah cyclists, we need to clamp down on cyclists to make our roads safer

Everyone needs to be more aware of other road users. No one is a saint. End of story

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

No more so than i am driving my car over them - the conditions of roads affects every user and the maintenance- its a unifying issue not a divisive one.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

There definitely should be more rules on cyclists. As us car, van and motorcycle users have to pay to be on the road and have speed limits to follow, why don't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble is that it becomes a race to the bottom over which 'group' is the worst. Pointing fingers at cyclists or car drivers is not going to help get to a place where both can coexist better

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"There definitely should be more rules on cyclists. As us car, van and motorcycle users have to pay to be on the road and have speed limits to follow, why don't they?"

We all pay for the roads x

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Most sensible suggestion. The best let the user ride. To many bikes that would need mods to hold a plate and could only be enforced on new bikes sold.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

Yes to number plates; it'll help to identify law breakers (not that there's ever anyone around to enforce the law).

No to 20mph limit; cyclists should be limited to whatever the speed limit is for the road (or pavement - yes, pavements that are marked as cycle lane should have a speed limit) that they are travelling on - this will also mean that all cycles must have a working Speedo which, could also imply that they need an annual MOT.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"The trouble is that it becomes a race to the bottom over which 'group' is the worst. Pointing fingers at cyclists or car drivers is not going to help get to a place where both can coexist better"

Exactly! Respect is required from all road users x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There definitely should be more rules on cyclists. As us car, van and motorcycle users have to pay to be on the road and have speed limits to follow, why don't they?"

I'm a car driver and a cyclist. I already pay for the roads. Should I have to pay again? Most of the rules are sufficient, they just aren't enforced.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

No more so than i am driving my car over them - the conditions of roads affects every user and the maintenance- its a unifying issue not a divisive one.

Very true. I just had to replace 2 tyres damaged by potholes.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"There definitely should be more rules on cyclists. As us car, van and motorcycle users have to pay to be on the road and have speed limits to follow, why don't they?"

As a car, van and motorcycle user, I feel I am already paying enough to be able to ride my bike too...

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Um nope! X"

Why? X

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By *ustamanMan
over a year ago

weymouth

The hierarchy of vulnerability in the new highway code I agree with some of the other bollox trying to quantify distance etc becomes unworkable on some roads

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence.

And a number plate and lights too. Maybe some wheels to make them faster

And have footmen walking behind them to clean up all the horse shit they drop... Oh and have horse shoes with a minimum tread depth of 3mm"

Job creation! Love it!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

No more so than i am driving my car over them - the conditions of roads affects every user and the maintenance- its a unifying issue not a divisive one.

Cyclists have been injured and even killed by potholes though.

I agree it is a unifying issue but let's not lose sight that potholes present far more danger to a cyclist than a motorist

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Um nope! X

Why? X"

A vest is not an accurate method of ID, and far too easy to swap between people... or just have a QR code that takes you to www.fabswingers.com

Cal

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By *rey NomadMan
over a year ago

Calne

Totally agree, if Cyclists want more rights and respect then they should be accountable too..

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Well if you think cyclist should have the same insurance etc as a motorist then cyclist should be allowed to ride down motorways etc. it’s not cyclists that kill hundreds of people a year, regularly exceed every speed limit, pollute the atmosphere, damage roads or crash into buildings. Cyclists should also have same size lanes as motorists. "

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance.

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By *llaandGCouple
over a year ago

London

"Shapps has made a number of comments thst are very much about pandering to a core demographic of voters rather any practical consideration of whether something is needed or practical "

Oh, so cynical

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Images of a benny hill sketch as truncheon wielding pc Plod chases un vested bike riding criminal hither and thither trying to effect and arrest.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The way the current laws of the road are framed is that pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists use the road by right.

Users of motorised vehicles use the road by license which can be revoked and removed at any point.

These suggestions keep occurring due to a sense of entitlement by said licensed road users.

The bigger point is how the road infrastructure has been built with a massive bias towards motorised vehicles and how now in the uk is only just starting on the journey of shared road space.

A Tory politician pandering to the loud voices of the motoring lobby. Not only polluting the atmosphere with emissions but also their hot air.

Question - in the last 10 years how many motorists have been killed by a cyclist.

What about mobility scooters? Class II and III invalid carriages (as the Govt calls them) are already regulated. Class II can do max 4mph so can be used on the pavement. Class III do 8mph and should not be used on the pavement. That means they have to go and do 8mph in the road. With all the car twats driving like loonies.

Class I invalid carriages (aka manual wheelchairs) are also limited to 4mph, technically, but no-one told me

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Shapps has made a number of comments thst are very much about pandering to a core demographic of voters rather any practical consideration of whether something is needed or practical

Oh, so cynical"

Oh definitely. Unfortunately he's my MP so I have twice the frustration, he's a shit MP and a shot minister.

Can anyone name a policy he's brought in?

The mam is a liar and a conman, it's ridiculous he's even an MP. All this is really about is ensuring a high profile cabinet position under the next PM

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I wish I was a bicycle, then nobody would make fun of me!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I suppose for the Tory supporting media on the day inflation tops 10% this topic is as good a deflection as any ..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

It's all over the news folks.. "

No Tom. It's under consideration. You get more sensationalist every day.

Tut

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By *hristopherd999Man
over a year ago

Brentwood

"Tattoo a QR code to their forehead as well.

Great idea

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Um nope! X

Why? X

A vest is not an accurate method of ID, and far too easy to swap between people... or just have a QR code that takes you to www.fabswingers.com

Cal"

You insured the vest that allows you to ride. No vest no riding simple then it’s up to you if you want to commit fraud by using someone else’s vest

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I suppose for the Tory supporting media on the day inflation tops 10% this topic is as good a deflection as any ..

So cynical...

...I agree though.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Yes to number plates.

No to the speed limit - and I say that as someone who only hits 20mph+ downhill with a following wind.

What speed limit would you have?

Logically I would have said it should be the same limit as other road users."

I'd have the prevailing speed limit for the road, not a blanket 20mph limit.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The way the current laws of the road are framed is that pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists use the road by right.

Users of motorised vehicles use the road by license which can be revoked and removed at any point.

These suggestions keep occurring due to a sense of entitlement by said licensed road users.

The bigger point is how the road infrastructure has been built with a massive bias towards motorised vehicles and how now in the uk is only just starting on the journey of shared road space.

A Tory politician pandering to the loud voices of the motoring lobby. Not only polluting the atmosphere with emissions but also their hot air.

Question - in the last 10 years how many motorists have been killed by a cyclist.

Class I invalid carriages (aka manual wheelchairs) are also limited to 4mph, technically, but no-one told me

Good Intel! Does that include the mobility scooters? I often see them bouncing along the pot holed roads round here and think it must be incredibly dangerous for a frail old person dualing with 45 tonne truck over a couple inches of space.

The other day I dropped my lad at uni and as we were unpacking an electric scooter and a guy in an electric wheel chair (which looked just like an ordinary wheel chair) went past us .. I'd never seen a wheel chair going so fast.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

It's interesting that no country in the world has ever successfully introduced these measures.

Several countries have (somewhat controversially) made helmets a legal requirement. Yet shapps hasn't mentioned this. And that speaks volumes about this self promoting crap, non of it will ever become law because the one thing that could easily become law he's not even mentioned

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Um nope! X

Why? X

A vest is not an accurate method of ID, and far too easy to swap between people... or just have a QR code that takes you to www.fabswingers.com

Cal"

Only in the same way as anyone could ride your bike regardless of number plate!

My vest idea is (in principle) about insuring the individual rather than the “vehicle”. Perhaps it is supplied when the cyclist takes out their proportional insurance. You would only need it to ride on the road (ie not mountain bikes or racers in organised races).

The insurance would protect others from you (damage to vehicles, pedestrians) and if you went fully comprehensive protect you the rider (medical bills etc where it cannot be claimed against another road user).

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I wish I was a bicycle, then nobody would make fun of me!"

That queen song was ahead of its time!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I wish I was a bicycle, then nobody would make fun of me!

That queen song was ahead of its time! "

Showing your age

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

When I first saw Shapps doing his home zoom calls with his flag and book positioned on the shelf to show his name, I thought, wanker.

Then I saw him taking selfies in front of the super yacht in London, pretty sure he is a wanker. Now, number plates for bikes - definitely a wanker!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I wish I was a bicycle, then nobody would make fun of me!

That queen song was ahead of its time!

Showing your age"

My dad told me... Honest.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The way the current laws of the road are framed is that pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists use the road by right.

Users of motorised vehicles use the road by license which can be revoked and removed at any point.

These suggestions keep occurring due to a sense of entitlement by said licensed road users.

The bigger point is how the road infrastructure has been built with a massive bias towards motorised vehicles and how now in the uk is only just starting on the journey of shared road space.

A Tory politician pandering to the loud voices of the motoring lobby. Not only polluting the atmosphere with emissions but also their hot air.

Question - in the last 10 years how many motorists have been killed by a cyclist.

Class I invalid carriages (aka manual wheelchairs) are also limited to 4mph, technically, but no-one told me

What do you mean, does that include mobility scooters? Class II and III invalid carriages ARE mobility scooters, as explained above.

You can now get motorised tribike attachments for manual chairs, they are sold by power output (high power generate 1500W or thereabouts) so depending on the weight of the chair and user and the terrain, could probably do more than 8mph. It's up to the user to stay within the limits.

Electric wheelchairs are governed under the same rules as Class II and III invalid carriages I think, but as with most things, the legislation has not kept up with developments in the technology.

I'm not sure we have a mass outbreak of peril caused by mobility impaired people? Here in Manchester, I'm more concerned about Deliveroo people on electric bikes that seem to exceed 20mph!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have nothing against the idea except, it would reduce the number of teenage cyclists who cycle to school etc as to get the plates they'd also have to register the bike and the registration os likely going to cost which, they'll then throw road tax on it as cyclo use the road too, so how are kids who cycle going to get to school?

Lifts from parents or taxis both of which have a negative impact on both traffic and the environment.

I agree something needs to be done, not sure what or how but something.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

" Here in Manchester, I'm more concerned about Deliveroo people on electric bikes that seem to exceed 20mph! "

Your first day working for deliveroo they give you a 'how to' guide to deregulate ebikes

They are a menace, in London they do seize them (in the same way they also nick red ligh jumpers occassional via organised clampdowns) and I think the last exercise they seized over 200 but it is completely futile.

The answer is to class a deregulated ebike as a moped based on the power they have. A bike that can do 20, 30 even 40mph without the rider peddling because of a motor is no longer a bicycle. And then they can charge the riders (not just deloveroo) with driving without a licence, insurance, MOT etc.

There is a growing problem of deregulated ebikes and escooters that needs addressing.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I have nothing against the idea except, it would reduce the number of teenage cyclists who cycle to school etc as to get the plates they'd also have to register the bike and the registration os likely going to cost which, they'll then throw road tax on it as cyclo use the road too, so how are kids who cycle going to get to school?

Lifts from parents or taxis both of which have a negative impact on both traffic and the environment.

I agree something needs to be done, not sure what or how but something."

For children, who would be responsible for their registration and insurance too? Seems potentially very complicated and expensive for parents.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Lifts from parents or taxis both of which have a negative impact on both traffic and the environment.

I agree something needs to be done, not sure what or how but something.

For children, who would be responsible for their registration and insurance too? Seems potentially very complicated and expensive for parents."

I'm sure Grant Shapps has thought all that through

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence."

How about pedestrians and joggers?

They can cause road accidents too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lifts from parents or taxis both of which have a negative impact on both traffic and the environment.

I agree something needs to be done, not sure what or how but something.

For children, who would be responsible for their registration and insurance too? Seems potentially very complicated and expensive for parents."

This is exactly what I mean, I have 2 kids plus myself, that's at least 3 sets of bikes to register, will the registration be per person or per bike? How would they distinguish which bike is registered to the plate (cars have a VIN number for example) I know bikes have serial numbers but I wouldn't be able to tell you where to look

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

Lifts from parents or taxis both of which have a negative impact on both traffic and the environment.

I agree something needs to be done, not sure what or how but something."

That's not how 'Road Tax' (Vehicle Excise Duty) works.

The money goes into the central fund and not just for roads, and you pay based on age and how polluting they are.

Low emission cars and Electric Vehicles pay less or none, so it's unlikely cyclists will have to pay.

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Yes! Number plates and insurance for bikes just like all other road users.

While we are at it, horse riders who use roads should be required by law to have insurance and a form if identification akin to driving licence.

How about pedestrians and joggers?

They can cause road accidents too!"

In the same way the highway code has been changed to reflect the level of damage a “vehicle” can cause, so we should take a proportional approach. Whataboutism for pedestrians and joggers is silly (if they get hit by a bike, motorbike, car, truck) guess who is likely to come worse off?

As I said above, I think there is merit in an idea that road user (regardless of their mode of transport) should individually be insured for the protection of others and themselves. This insurance should be proportional.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's reasonable but unsure about the policing, as the same government have cut public resources and plan even bigger cuts.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing. "

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

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By *he Artful TodgerMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire but travel

"The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

It's all over the news folks.. "

What absolute rubbish, how would this be regulated, enforced or operated…?

Of all the wrongs on our country a 1000 other simple law changes would create far more wealth, improve health, society lawfulness & cohesion..

Whatever next, a license to fart…

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

What about those of us who have invested in expensive reflective kit? I have 2 different jackets both over £150 that I use in the dark, should I use what will certainly be a cheaper and inferior hi viz jacket?

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By *JandCMCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

About time something is done to calm down these cyclists.

I know it's not all of them who tide like idiots n even when they got a cycle lane still choose to be in middle of road with headphones on not paying attention to what there doing.

Wrong way up one way roads, riding really fast on payments, cutting up cars, going through red lights constantly to name a few things.

Make them accountable to the law n have them pay for damage they do to others with there bad riding.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"About time something is done to calm down these cyclists.

I know it's not all of them who tide like idiots n even when they got a cycle lane still choose to be in middle of road with headphones on not paying attention to what there doing.

Wrong way up one way roads, riding really fast on payments, cutting up cars, going through red lights constantly to name a few things.

Make them accountable to the law n have them pay for damage they do to others with there bad riding."

They are accountable to the law - everything you have described does attract a legal penalty. The issue is that it is not enforced.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Whataboutism for pedestrians and joggers is silly (if they get hit by a bike, motorbike, car, truck) guess who is likely to come worse off?

But cyclists almost always come off worse too? Hundreds are killed and thousands suffer life changing injuries every year. And far more pedestrians are killed and injured by motorists than they are by cyclists.

I'm not sure why you recognise pedestrians as vulnerable road users but don't seem to recognise that cyclists are too?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

We used to have annual number plates on our bikes in Jersey when I was a kid.

They dropped the scheme long ago.

One problem was that they couldn't easily be read. Tabards hadn't been heard of back then.

In general, more regulation will just kill the desire to take up or carry on with cycling for most people for whom it is an occasional pastime.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance."

It costs me more than twice as much for my cycle insurance than it does for my car and my motorbike insurance is only about a fish of the cost

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance.

It costs me more than twice as much for my cycle insurance than it does for my car and my motorbike insurance is only about a fish of the cost"

You should check out wheelchair insurance

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Whataboutism for pedestrians and joggers is silly (if they get hit by a bike, motorbike, car, truck) guess who is likely to come worse off?

I'm not sure why you recognise pedestrians as vulnerable road users but don't seem to recognise that cyclists are too?"

Didn’t say that. But pedestrians by definition are not road users using vehicles whereas cyclists are. Not sure why you wouldn’t want insurance?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”"

I'm sure if cars were not required insurance they wouldn't b getting it? And nope till a helmet is compulsory I won't b wearing one! X

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”"

Interestingly, upon observing the thousands of cyclists on a recent trip to the Netherlands, almost no one was wearing a helmet. Whole families riding together (commuting) without helmets, people of all ages on all kinds of bike. No helmets. They appeared to be a very rare thing. I did wonder why.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance.

It costs me more than twice as much for my cycle insurance than it does for my car and my motorbike insurance is only about a fish of the cost"

You pay your motorbike insurance with fish?

If what you say is true then that is ridiculous. You are saying your bicycle insurance is five times more expensive than your motorbike? Honestly? Sheer madness. That must be based on theft of bikes and being an expensive bike?

My proposal is insurance on the individual rather than the bike itself. Govt should intervene there and have a “cycle road user insurance” that is a fixed cost.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Whataboutism for pedestrians and joggers is silly (if they get hit by a bike, motorbike, car, truck) guess who is likely to come worse off?

I'm not sure why you recognise pedestrians as vulnerable road users but don't seem to recognise that cyclists are too?

Didn’t say that. But pedestrians by definition are not road users using vehicles whereas cyclists are. Not sure why you wouldn’t want insurance? "

When did I say I didn't want insurance?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Like most Tory ‘policy’, this won’t get any further than the newspapers, and that’s because introducing anything that puts people off cycling will never happen.

But good fodder for the usual pro/anti cycling thread contributions!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”

I'm sure if cars were not required insurance they wouldn't b getting it? And nope till a helmet is compulsory I won't b wearing one! X"

But that is the point. Insurance for motor vehicles is compulsory for good reasons ie the damage you can do to other people and their property. Bicycles can also damage people and property (less so than a car) so proportional insurance would be a good thing.

As for not wearing a helmet - well that’s your funeral/brain damage! People used to say that about seatbelts!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

I'm not suggesting that Shapps makes it up as he goes along but he's also interviewed in The Times today discussing this and rules out number plates completely

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By *JandCMCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

"About time something is done to calm down these cyclists.

I know it's not all of them who tide like idiots n even when they got a cycle lane still choose to be in middle of road with headphones on not paying attention to what there doing.

Wrong way up one way roads, riding really fast on payments, cutting up cars, going through red lights constantly to name a few things.

Make them accountable to the law n have them pay for damage they do to others with there bad riding.

They are accountable to the law - everything you have described does attract a legal penalty. The issue is that it is not enforced."

If they have number plates on their bikes they will be picked up on cameras n if they think if they ride like idiots n have an accident n their insurance will go up then they may ride a bit more responsible.

Once bikes are like cars n have to have a named rider on them n have number plates to identify the vehicle then the police will then have to treat them like other road users as the riders n bikes can be identified n start protecting riders for their offenses.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance.

It costs me more than twice as much for my cycle insurance than it does for my car and my motorbike insurance is only about a fish of the cost

You should check out wheelchair insurance

I'm not licensed to drive a wheelchair

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”

Yes loads smoke in Holland too.. Must be safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah that will work as well as the cycle helmets law then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those fucking cyclist are so irritating holding up traffic, let's help improve the issue by forcing them to go slower. What moron thinks that is a good idea?

I'm by no means a brilliant cyclist but I can easily average close to 20mph over 30 miles or more, and on many downhills where the road is twisty making overtaking difficult I often go as fast as many cars so why what would be achieved with limiting this speed?

Charging cyclists who break the laws of the road is perfectly reasonable.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Joking aside, isn't the idea to try and encourage safe and responsible movement... Just need to make some changes so riders and those around them they influence pay their fair share and that all are safe and healthy. Less cars and more bikes sounds like a good idea on the face of it.

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By *hilledGuyClactonMan
over a year ago

Little clacton

It was obvious this was going to happen,why they updated the car highway code.So cyclists would be happy.

But needs to be done.Worked around countless times and the only thing that has nearly hit me is bikes jumping lights.Would you accept a 50cc scooter jumping red lights etc going at 20ish mph.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I wonder if cycle number plates will be the same size as car ones so that the camera can read them. And old people. Because if they are they will be quite wide unless they have the more square shaped ones. Whatever happens, it will cost the owner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules."

Let’s limit everyone to 20 then we are on the same laws. I’ve done 80kpmh on a bike (almost 50mph), but I wasn’t breaking the speed limit. I’d have no problem with some for of ID, if it was free. I’ve 10 bikes, I’d be less enthralled about paying a fee for each.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a really good idea. Where we live even though there are cycle lanes the cyclists still ride on the pavements sometimes 2 or 3 abreast. For anybody who has mobility issues or elderly This is a real hazard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Anyone got any ideas how and where I'd attach a number plate to my bike?

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I would imagine the roads and pavements in Holland are set up to separate pedestrians, bike and motor vehicles?

If everyone is in their “correct” space (for speed and vulnerability) then I would guess streets are safer for everyone and so less need for helmets?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads. "

Because they don’t damage them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those fucking cyclist are so irritating holding up traffic, let's help improve the issue by forcing them to go slower. What moron thinks that is a good idea?

Charging cyclists who break the laws of the road is perfectly reasonable.

Mr"

If cyclists were more considerate then it wouldn't really be an issue. Several times we have nearly been hit by cyclists who have decided the laws and rules don't apply to them and go straight through red lights at pedestrian crossings. Last week a four-year-old child was seriously injured when a cyclist at speed went straight through a red light at a pedestrian crossing. If this had been a car driver he would have been in serious trouble.

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By *eptimiusMan
over a year ago

East

No and No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them? "

Of course they do.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Anyone got any ideas how and where I'd attach a number plate to my bike?"

Butt plug?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Which is exactly why I believe the individual should be insured not the bike as per several above comments.

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over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads. "

Because (deep breath) road tax doesn’t exist, roads are maintained by general taxation, vehice excise duty is a tax on pollution which many low polluting cars are exempt from also.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads. "

Cyclists do pay for the upkeep of the roads. As do pedestrians.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because (deep breath) road tax doesn’t exist, roads are maintained by general taxation, vehice excise duty is a tax on pollution which many low polluting cars are exempt from also."

Deep breath indeed!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Don’t be silly. The insurance needs to be proportional in the same way a car is less than a truck. Cyclist can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians and damage cars. They should have insurance.

It costs me more than twice as much for my cycle insurance than it does for my car and my motorbike insurance is only about a fish of the cost

You should check out wheelchair insurance

I'm not licensed to drive a wheelchair"

No-one is

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The cost of getting a license plate and insurance is likely to have an effect on the number of people (mainly children) riding bikes, which will be a shitty thing.

It has been proven in countries where they've introduced compulsory helmets thst levels of cycling reduce.

This would be even worse. So as a policy it is complete misguided as it would only force cyclists off the road and cause more congestion with more motorists.

And them there is the fact we are in an obesity crisis and putting barriers to exercise would just make that worse.

People always find excuses and barriers to stop them doing what is good for them and society don’t they.

Helmets save lives. “But I don’t want to wear one!”

Insurance for bike riders protects yourself and others. “But I don’t want to pay for insurance!”

Yes loads smoke in Holland too.. Must be safe. "

From someone who has never smoked anything in her life, not even a salmon. The Dutch seem to survive despite their smoking habits. And I'm pretty sure not everyone smokes there but almost everyone does cycle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, but I'd go further.

GPS tracking fitted to all bikes.

Heavy fines for not using lights or signals -- including confiscation.

Compulsory training and insurance.

Advanced training every year if you work for Deliveroo!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do. "

No, they really don’t

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t "

They do when they have the audacity to fall off and make holes in the road when they land *nods sagely*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra. "

Only if there’s one that bans sunglasses in cars, that’s why you have visors. Equally stupid of course, but I’m all for equality

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do. "

How does a cyclist damage a road?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra. "

And here we have it, the sheer envy and jealousy of us lycra wearers. I instantly morph into a sex god when I pull on my lycra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes to number plates.

Electric bikes should be classed as mopeds but with no minimum age to ride.

I'd get them to tax their bikes too with a nominal fee, have insurance and get a 5 yearly MOT.

Oh! If they wear lycra make them pay a fine of £1000 too! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

Only if there’s one that bans sunglasses in cars, that’s why you have visors. Equally stupid of course, but I’m all for equality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads. "

Do you have any idea how roads are paid for? Cyclists DO pay for road upkeep at exactly the same rate as car drivers.

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

Yes to it all + insurance & road tax.

This way, cyclist become more accountable for their actions and safety as drivers are.

It may not be popular amongst all those directly affected but the few have made the status quo unworkable and indefensible

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

And here we have it, the sheer envy and jealousy of us lycra wearers. I instantly morph into a sex god when I pull on my lycra."

Sorry to break it to you Seb but you don’t

Unless you are hung like Rocco Siffredi in which case you will be a lethal weapon on the roads causing distraction!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Do you have any idea how roads are paid for? Cyclists DO pay for road upkeep at exactly the same rate as car drivers.

Mr"

Really?? Where's the drive an electric car to work scheme getting me 30% off at Halfords!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Yes to it all + insurance & road tax.

This way, cyclist become more accountable for their actions and safety as drivers are.

It may not be popular amongst all those directly affected but the few have made the status quo unworkable and indefensible "

Ha ha! Drivers accountable for their actions? BTW no such thing as road tax x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

And here we have it, the sheer envy and jealousy of us lycra wearers. I instantly morph into a sex god when I pull on my lycra.

Sorry to break it to you Seb but you don’t

Unless you are hung like Rocco Siffredi in which case you will be a lethal weapon on the roads causing distraction!"

Or everyone will assume he's forever turning left!!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Yes to number plates.

Electric bikes should be classed as mopeds but with no minimum age to ride.

I'd get them to tax their bikes too with a nominal fee, have insurance and get a 5 yearly MOT.

Oh! If they wear lycra make them pay a fine of £1000 too! Lol"

A 5 yearly MOT?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

And here we have it, the sheer envy and jealousy of us lycra wearers. I instantly morph into a sex god when I pull on my lycra.

Sorry to break it to you Seb but you don’t

Unless you are hung like Rocco Siffredi in which case you will be a lethal weapon on the roads causing distraction!"

Ah, you’ve seen me out and about!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Number plates yes. But can we have a rule that bans lycra.

And here we have it, the sheer envy and jealousy of us lycra wearers. I instantly morph into a sex god when I pull on my lycra.

Sorry to break it to you Seb but you don’t

Unless you are hung like Rocco Siffredi in which case you will be a lethal weapon on the roads causing distraction!

Or everyone will assume he's forever turning left!!

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By *ickdasterdly51Man
over a year ago

Lingfield

Whilst there are sadly very many selfish cyclists on the road, many of whom don't understand the difference between a road and a pavement or a red light and a green light I can't help feeling that this is a populist diversion from an inept government on a day that inflation is announced as over 10% and our future PM is caught saying that British workers don't graft enough. Look, over there children, a squirrel!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Do you have any idea how roads are paid for? Cyclists DO pay for road upkeep at exactly the same rate as car drivers.

Really?? Where's the drive an electric car to work scheme getting me 30% off at Halfords!"

You need to speak to your employer, because those salary sacrifice schemes for electric cars definitely exist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would a cyclist know their speed? Where would you mount a number plate? Sounds like another stupid idea from Michael Green/Grant Shaps or what ever the cretin is calling himself this week.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Whilst there are sadly very many selfish cyclists on the road, many of whom don't understand the difference between a road and a pavement or a red light and a green light I can't help feeling that this is a populist diversion from an inept government on a day that inflation is announced as over 10% and our future PM is caught saying that British workers don't graft enough. Look, over there children, a squirrel!"

Of course it is! But some of this thread has been a laugh

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Same can b said about selfish drivers? Just saying!! X

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

Firstly, most cyclists DO have insurance, just very few realise until there’s a fault collision. If you have home insurance, any member of the household is covered for third party liability whilst on a bike. A bike crashed into my parked car and caused several thousand pounds of damage. He turned out not to have insurance so I had to claim on mine.

The number plate thing could be framed as a positive for cyclists.

Given the number of bikes stolen, it could help with tracing of lost bikes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because (deep breath) road tax doesn’t exist, roads are maintained by general taxation, vehice excise duty is a tax on pollution which many low polluting cars are exempt from also.

Deep breath indeed!

Why? Cyclists seem to think they can do what they want and don't have to pay anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Do you have any idea how roads are paid for? Cyclists DO pay for road upkeep at exactly the same rate as car drivers.

Really?? Where's the drive an electric car to work scheme getting me 30% off at Halfords!"

Do you think before you post?

https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-vehicle-grants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t "

Yes they really do.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"Do you think before you post? "

Only about how much I will Pwn the n00bs!

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t

Yes they really do. "

How does a bike cause damage to a road?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t

Yes they really do. "

Think this one could run and run

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same can b said about selfish drivers? Just saying!! X"

The differences drivers can be held accountable for their actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because (deep breath) road tax doesn’t exist, roads are maintained by general taxation, vehice excise duty is a tax on pollution which many low polluting cars are exempt from also.

Deep breath indeed!

Why? Cyclists seem to think they can do what they want and don't have to pay anything. "

Do they? I'd love to see the research that explains how riding a bike changes a person's character in such a marked way.

Or when you say "seem to" do you actually mean you have a biased and prejudiced view that seeks confirmation everywhere it can and isn't interested in fact?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t

Yes they really do.

How does a bike cause damage to a road?"

Everyone that uses the roads causes some form of damage. Cyclists need to accept the time has come where they are going to have to pay to use the roads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because (deep breath) road tax doesn’t exist, roads are maintained by general taxation, vehice excise duty is a tax on pollution which many low polluting cars are exempt from also.

Deep breath indeed!

Why? Cyclists seem to think they can do what they want and don't have to pay anything.

Do they? I'd love to see the research that explains how riding a bike changes a person's character in such a marked way.

Or when you say "seem to" do you actually mean you have a biased and prejudiced view that seeks confirmation everywhere it can and isn't interested in fact?

Mr"

Don't need research I can tell you that I have been spat at, Called a stupid fat cunt, Had someone Cycle into my husband on a pavement, Been told to get off the pavement, All by cyclists in the last 3 months. There have been several incidents locally where pedestrians have been injured by cyclists who have just gone off on the merry way. I don't need research to tell you that A significant portion of cyclists are very aggressive. One of the main reasons for this kind of behaviour is they know they have a fair amount of ammunity. Please don't start getting funny with me I am allowed to express my opinion without people like you saying I need to have done research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the usual anti-cycling/cyclist comments. So to balance the books a little.

I’ve been out in the car twice today, and seen far more drivers of vehicles jumping red lights than I saw cyclists. One of which narrowly missed causing a nasty incident. Many instances of drivers failing to indicate. Poor lane discipline. Use of mobile phones. And one woman who was blow drying and styling her hair, while sat at 50mph.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the usual anti-cycling/cyclist comments. So to balance the books a little.

There is a difference because car drivers can easily be identified, Cyclists cannot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Some might skip getting caught, as do some motorists. However any well behaved cyclist shouldn't worry. We pay road tax to.....yes, use the road. On paper, cycling on footpaths are illegal. So, it might make cyclists think twice before breaking rules but, it won't stop everybody. I get nervous when I approach a cyclist and veer well away from them. I also abhor cyclist that skip red lights. It's not on.

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By *angOnBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Ipswich

"Think this is feasible. If cyclist want the respect of other road users, they should obide by the same laws and rules.

Why does it have to be free? Why shouldn't cyclists have to pay towards the upkeep of the roads.

Because they don’t damage them?

Of course they do.

No, they really don’t

Yes they really do.

How does a bike cause damage to a road?

Everyone that uses the roads causes some form of damage. Cyclists need to accept the time has come where they are going to have to pay to use the roads. "

I do pay for the roads. These are paid for out of general taxation and not VED and I pay whether I use a car or a bike, or even neither.

I pay vastly more tax than the average, so does this mean I get priority road usage?

Roads are for the general population. Not the sole preserve of the car.

Some bike users ignore, so do some car users (orange does not mean accelerate for example, which as a pedestrian Ive almost been hit by cars doing this a lot amd certain traffic lights)

If people simply realised it's a shared resource and be considerate and not selfish then life would be more chilled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the usual anti-cycling/cyclist comments. So to balance the books a little.

There is a difference because car drivers can easily be identified, Cyclists cannot. "

But none of those instances i witnessed will be enforced or punished for. So not much point in them being easily identified it seems.

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By *ebwizMan
over a year ago

Clevedon

"As a cyclist myself, I think it's necessary. I am appalled by the number if cyclists who jump signals as if it's nothing."
well done you. Too many bad eggs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the usual anti-cycling/cyclist comments. So to balance the books a little.

There is a difference because car drivers can easily be identified, Cyclists cannot.

But none of those instances i witnessed will be enforced or punished for. So not much point in them being easily identified it seems."

How do you know that though? I am sick to the back teeth of anybody who dares to say that cyclists should be held accountable and abide by the rules are somehow and he cyclist. I have no problem with cyclists who do not ride on the pavement and then get abusive when you get in their way. This kind of aggressive behaviour from cyclists is increasing, Hence the calls for cyclists to be identifiable much more easily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Transport Secretary has said that cyclists may be limited to 20mph and require numberplates and feel the wrath of the law for jumping lights. Is he right.

It's all over the news folks.. "

I’ve been saying that for years - about time too

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"All the usual anti-cycling/cyclist comments. So to balance the books a little.

BLOW DRYING HER HAIR!!!!!!! That’s a new one

Let’s be honest here. There are twat drivers, twat bikers and twat cyclist. Basically there are twats everywhere (yes I know this is Fab so pun intended).

My position is that if you use the road you should be accountable and traceable for your actions regardless of your mode of transport. If you are law abiding, considerate and careful then there is nothing to worry about!

Being identifiable and accountable changes people’s behaviour significantly but there will still be twats.

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