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By *lder A Wiser Passion OP   Woman
over a year ago

morecambe

Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Oh crikey ….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is a very difficult situation that we would only know how we would react if we were in it. I do believe that it is time to let him go and the clinging on is for the family. I'm not going to judge them for that because it must be horrific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "

You and I are not his mum or dad …. I know what you mean but wow so difficult to comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really want to comment on this but the details of my own personal experience are way too personal...my heart goes out to archie and his parents

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By *rettyflamingoWoman
over a year ago

Where the flamboyance of flamingos live

So very tragic, my heart goes out to the family x

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Its heartbreaking. His patents are being misled by religious groups. The poor kid is brain dead, he cannot survive and it just feels that the family have had their emotions and vulnerability exploited.

There are very sound reasons not to move him to a hospice, there's no treatment option, just him go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love + hope is a powerful force.

I'd support them all the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think I have any right to an opinion on this

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I don't think I have any right to an opinion on this "

I agree. Neither do I

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I don't think I have any right to an opinion on this "

^ this is how I feel about it

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

I couldn’t imagine anything worse than the situation they are in as parents it’s the same as the Liverpool couple who had a similar situation although I wasn’t keen on the lynch mob that turned up at alder hay hospital

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Personally, I don't believe its really something for any of us to comment on.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Feel for both parties as if it was my child I’d do the same as the Mother.

However I understand the doctors and medical staff reasoning as well.

Archie is a child and deserves every chance to live a full life, but in this case I truly think the Doctors are doing what they think is best for their patient.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This helps neither the child or his parents...

May they find their peace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can understand the parents actions.

If it was my child I would do all I could, while I could, and while there was still any glimmer of hope in my heart and mind that he could survive, to keep him alive.

As a dispassionate neutral observer though, it would seem clear that sadly there is no hope for the poor lad, and maybe it is time to move on and try to start the process of mourning and hopefully being able to celebrate his life.

It’s a terribly sad story, and sadly one that many people have to through when a child is lost, and I hope that the family can find some kind of peace soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It may come as a shock to you all but I’m quite opinionated but I will not be giving any opinions on this. As a father I can’t begin to imagine how hard this must be for his family.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Not for us to say.

We cannot imagine what they are going thru.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

It seems that way yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There for the grace of God hey

I hope his parents find peace and comfort in whichever way it comes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't begin to imagine what his parents are going through. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I can't speak for what I would do as I don't have children but if it was me lying on that bed, I would want the machines switched off x

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

It’s awful and I can completely sympathise with the family.

Heartbreaking. I wish them all the best.

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

The whole story is upsetting due to the circumstances.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "

I can understand why they would want to move him from a hospital to a hospice… I can also legally understand why the court won’t allow it….

The issue is that technically if they allow him to leave the hospital… he and his family are flight risks! There was a case a few years ago where a family were pretty much in the same situation, ran out of options, were allowed to supposedly go home to see out the final days… family were secretly offered a private flight and they fed the country with the kid in tow to the Czech Republic!

So short of taking away him and his entire family’s passports there is no way round it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry I could never say how I feel. 1 I'm a parent and would always think id fight for my kids. 2 my parents have already had to do it once and 3 they very nearly had to do it to me not that long ago. So I wouldn't know how I'd feel unless I was in that situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

I can understand why they would want to move him from a hospital to a hospice… I can also legally understand why the court won’t allow it….

The issue is that technically if they allow him to leave the hospital… he and his family are flight risks! There was a case a few years ago where a family were pretty much in the same situation, ran out of options, were allowed to supposedly go home to see out the final days… family were secretly offered a private flight and they fed the country with the kid in tow to the Czech Republic!

So short of taking away him and his entire family’s passports there is no way round it "

Yes but that was a very different situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i bloody well dont its her son you fight until your last breath is gone in the end this is more about £££££ than awt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "
I don't think anyone has the right to comment unless you have had to make the same heartbreaking decision ?

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I don't think I have any right to an opinion on this

I agree. Neither do I "

Same

It's a tough one only when your in their shoes you truly know what you would do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? I don't think anyone has the right to comment unless you have had to make the same heartbreaking decision ?"

Lots of people have lots of opinions about very controversial and very tricky subjects. Ultimately this family needs a lot of support and I hope they get it. I do not think it's right to tell people they shouldn't have an opinion however.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I'd want to keep fighting until I spent my last breath. I've gone through the heartache of losing a son and would keep fighting as long as possible. Just incase xxx

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Archie Battersbee.

I hope his mum can find peace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put in there shoes im not sure how id react i suspect not well and very destructive after so many doors slammed in there face if they were royal or rich im not sure the courts would rule this way thats for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Put in there shoes im not sure how id react i suspect not well and very destructive after so many doors slammed in there face if they were royal or rich im not sure the courts would rule this way thats for sure"

I'm not so sure to be honest. This is a very difficult subject, I just think sometimes people are so consumed by grief they can't see past keeping someone alive. I'm not judging that I'm just saying there needs to be somebody independent Looking out for the child's best interests.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
over a year ago

West Suffolk/Essex


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "

You can live with dignity but you can’t die with it. Having said that I do of course know what you mean.

I understand people will have opinions on this case and this subject in general, I just think these opinions should be kept to yourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

You can live with dignity but you can’t die with it. Having said that I do of course know what you mean.

I understand people will have opinions on this case and this subject in general, I just think these opinions should be kept to yourselves "

I'm not trying to be provocative but I'm genuinely curious as to why lots of people have this attitude on this particular case. In these forums lots of very controversial things have been discussed and I don't understand why this should be different.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

You can live with dignity but you can’t die with it. Having said that I do of course know what you mean.

I understand people will have opinions on this case and this subject in general, I just think these opinions should be kept to yourselves

I'm not trying to be provocative but I'm genuinely curious as to why lots of people have this attitude on this particular case. In these forums lots of very controversial things have been discussed and I don't understand why this should be different. "

An emotive subject that people are uncomfortable with I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What they are going through right now is every parents worst nightmare and they are living in it. I am completely heartbroken for them, but refuse to pass judgement on their actions, as it simply wouldn’t be right or fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

You can live with dignity but you can’t die with it. Having said that I do of course know what you mean.

I understand people will have opinions on this case and this subject in general, I just think these opinions should be kept to yourselves

I'm not trying to be provocative but I'm genuinely curious as to why lots of people have this attitude on this particular case. In these forums lots of very controversial things have been discussed and I don't understand why this should be different.

An emotive subject that people are uncomfortable with I think. "

Totally, But it doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to talk about it. That's kind of the point I'm making.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity?

You can live with dignity but you can’t die with it. Having said that I do of course know what you mean.

I understand people will have opinions on this case and this subject in general, I just think these opinions should be kept to yourselves

I'm not trying to be provocative but I'm genuinely curious as to why lots of people have this attitude on this particular case. In these forums lots of very controversial things have been discussed and I don't understand why this should be different.

An emotive subject that people are uncomfortable with I think.

Totally, But it doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to talk about it. That's kind of the point I'm making. "

I agree

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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

I don't have an opinion on what his mother should or shouldn't do. I do believe that the courts have acted impartially and unemotionally, as they should.

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By *ob08Man
over a year ago

Macclesfield

I had the theme tune from Frozen going through my head.......I'm going to Hell aren't I

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By *XXDREAMMan
over a year ago

sudbury

I think in reality, not one of us would turn that machine of on any of our children, I heard the story on the radio and actually felt sympathetic, for perhaps the first time in my life, I do think, if they're deciding to let him die, then it should be done where they want and it's not a judges call to make

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

heart breaking the little boy will go to heaven,,

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove

I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't have an opinion on what his mother should or shouldn't do. I do believe that the courts have acted impartially and unemotionally, as they should."

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

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I agree but the risk is that he could actually die in the ambulance without his family.

Both my mother and father died in hospital as we were told they were too sick and it was too risky to move them to a hospice. I was devastated by this decision however I did understand it. Such a heartbreaking situation.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"I think in reality, not one of us would turn that machine of on any of our children, I heard the story on the radio and actually felt sympathetic, for perhaps the first time in my life, I do think, if they're deciding to let him die, then it should be done where they want and it's not a judges call to make"

Unfortunately in reality many people do have to make that decision. My auntie had to do it to my cousin.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nope I don't agree whilst the brain is the last thing to die I also believe that if the rest of the body can be kept functioning their could be a possibility that the brain could re-engage as nobody clearly knows what is happening beneath the surface

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"I think in reality, not one of us would turn that machine of on any of our children, I heard the story on the radio and actually felt sympathetic, for perhaps the first time in my life, I do think, if they're deciding to let him die, then it should be done where they want and it's not a judges call to make

Unfortunately in reality many people do have to make that decision. My auntie had to do it to my cousin. "

Exactly, as horrible as this is to contemplate this isn't unusual.

And nor is people being to ill to move to a hospice

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By *hisisntpofMan
over a year ago

bristol

It must be so hard to let go ,but were not in her shoes ,so not judging

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

no i cant judge its such a shame hear breaking to be honest,,

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "

I have always said If I were in that state I would want to be switched off.

But I don't think I have the right to judge others who think otherwise

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea


"I think in reality, not one of us would turn that machine of on any of our children, I heard the story on the radio and actually felt sympathetic, for perhaps the first time in my life, I do think, if they're deciding to let him die, then it should be done where they want and it's not a judges call to make"

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By *entlemanFoxMan
over a year ago

North East / London

The hard reality is that every pound spent keeping a dead child artificially breathing is a pound not available for a patient with real prospects of recovery.

The parents have rightly been given every opportunity for independent review of the situation. I can understand why they do not want to give up. But the time has come where the limited resources should be used for someone who will definitely recover.

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

It's tragic but the boy is brain dead and its only machines keeping breathing It must be costing them a lot of money to keep taking the cases to all the courts ,just let him die with dignity and time for the family to greve..

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove


"I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

I agree but the risk is that he could actually die in the ambulance without his family.

Both my mother and father died in hospital as we were told they were too sick and it was too risky to move them to a hospice. I was devastated by this decision however I did understand it. Such a heartbreaking situation. "

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I agree he could, but he may not

At least for his parents sake I think it’s worth a try

They know the risk of moving him

They’ve lost everything else

Such a tragic loss of life over some TikTok challenge

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Sorry you’ve lost your parents, I lost a parent a few years back, I found it really hard to come to terms with, I can’t imagine what it’s like to lose both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

I agree but the risk is that he could actually die in the ambulance without his family.

Both my mother and father died in hospital as we were told they were too sick and it was too risky to move them to a hospice. I was devastated by this decision however I did understand it. Such a heartbreaking situation.

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I agree he could, but he may not

At least for his parents sake I think it’s worth a try

They know the risk of moving him

They’ve lost everything else

Such a tragic loss of life over some TikTok challenge

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Sorry you’ve lost your parents, I lost a parent a few years back, I found it really hard to come to terms with, I can’t imagine what it’s like to lose both"

Thank you and I'm sorry for your loss also.

That's the problem though and while our hearts break for this poor family the best interests of the child have to come first. Whilst I understand the family would feel more comfortable in a hospice they would be absolutely devastated if he died on the way without them.

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over a year ago

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove


"I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

I agree but the risk is that he could actually die in the ambulance without his family.

Both my mother and father died in hospital as we were told they were too sick and it was too risky to move them to a hospice. I was devastated by this decision however I did understand it. Such a heartbreaking situation.

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I agree he could, but he may not

At least for his parents sake I think it’s worth a try

They know the risk of moving him

They’ve lost everything else

Such a tragic loss of life over some TikTok challenge

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Sorry you’ve lost your parents, I lost a parent a few years back, I found it really hard to come to terms with, I can’t imagine what it’s like to lose both

Thank you and I'm sorry for your loss also.

That's the problem though and while our hearts break for this poor family the best interests of the child have to come first. Whilst I understand the family would feel more comfortable in a hospice they would be absolutely devastated if he died on the way without them."

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Sadly there’s no right or wrong answers in cases like this

So many people died during covid with no loved ones around them at all

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By *rMrsBrightsideCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle

As a parent i can not imagine how difficult it is for his family and having to make those decisions. I don’t think anyone can judge as not in that situation.

So sad x

K

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is such a shame that he has to spend his last moments in a hospital bed and clinical surroundings - rather than in a hospital with his family around him as his mam wants.

I agree but the risk is that he could actually die in the ambulance without his family.

Both my mother and father died in hospital as we were told they were too sick and it was too risky to move them to a hospice. I was devastated by this decision however I did understand it. Such a heartbreaking situation.

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I agree he could, but he may not

At least for his parents sake I think it’s worth a try

They know the risk of moving him

They’ve lost everything else

Such a tragic loss of life over some TikTok challenge

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Sorry you’ve lost your parents, I lost a parent a few years back, I found it really hard to come to terms with, I can’t imagine what it’s like to lose both

Thank you and I'm sorry for your loss also.

That's the problem though and while our hearts break for this poor family the best interests of the child have to come first. Whilst I understand the family would feel more comfortable in a hospice they would be absolutely devastated if he died on the way without them.

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Sadly there’s no right or wrong answers in cases like this

So many people died during covid with no loved ones around them at all"

Yes but this is a very different situation. He does have the opportunity to have his family round him just not in the setting they would choose.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

It's not just about him dying while being moved it's about the fact a hospice can't and isn't set up to provide the care he needs.

They can't just move him and all the machines he's needing to keep him alive, he'd potentially die before he even left ITU.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I just think it is all so sad. My heart goes out to the poor parents. I would do exactly the same as them if I were in that situation.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I cannot start to comprehend how awful ut must be for them. We are on the outside and didn't love him and cling to hope that he'd recover.

A more peaceful death away from the hospital would probably be a better goodbye

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I just think it is all so sad. My heart goes out to the poor parents. I would do exactly the same as them if I were in that situation."

I think I would tpp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I agree that he should be allowed to go I can also understand that no parent should have to go through this grief and loss is hard as it is but when it's your child, I can't imagine the pain these people are going through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could at least have got his name right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That poor little boy I’ve just read about it now heartbreaking he looks similar to my boy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think something that hasn't been discussed so far but needs to be.

That is how he came to be in the situation. It was a very dangerous trend on tik tok, Personally I feel this poor young man's death should not be in vain. Every single one of us needs to be aware of these dangerous "trends" as at any time there are several knocking about. If you have children or know young people or vulnerable adults that use these kinds of sites I think it's imperative that we know what these dangerous pranks are and talk to these young people about them. I also think we need to all of us put pressure on social media companies to crack down on these kind of videos, You can still see videos of the exact thing that this young boy did and had disastrous consequences plus this is not the first death that has happened as a result of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have some skin in this game.

Losing a child, for any reason, is the single hardest, most heartbreaking thing in the world.

The loss will never leave them.

I don't envy them their decisions, I understand their fight, I feel their pain.

Winston

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think something that hasn't been discussed so far but needs to be.

That is how he came to be in the situation. It was a very dangerous trend on tik tok, Personally I feel this poor young man's death should not be in vain. Every single one of us needs to be aware of these dangerous "trends" as at any time there are several knocking about. If you have children or know young people or vulnerable adults that use these kinds of sites I think it's imperative that we know what these dangerous pranks are and talk to these young people about them. I also think we need to all of us put pressure on social media companies to crack down on these kind of videos, You can still see videos of the exact thing that this young boy did and had disastrous consequences plus this is not the first death that has happened as a result of this. "

I agree Lorna, some parents seem to think that Tick Tock is harmlesss, but it really isn't. It's scary how quickly these so called 'trends' circulate and even if your kid doesn't have the app, then they more than likely will be around others who do....

I am part of this Lockdown Hints and Tips groups on Facebook and the amount of parents saying their 11 year olds use it, parents say they are monitoring content, fair enough but can they realistically monitor it all the? the dangers are still there from their peer groups exposing them to content even with monitoring

It's dangerous ground for sure.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

They don’t want to let him go. As a parent I can understand that.

They will have to eventually, but at least in their minds they know they fought for their boy and tried every avenue open to them.

I wish them nothing but love.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

My heart breaks for them , part of me says its time to let go but part of me as a father (if it was my child) could never let go , im not a religious person but my prayers go out to them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's incredibly upsetting story .

As a person who had to made decisions on similar circumstances- our entire family went with decision of doctors.

As a mum of teenager I would focus on what actually happened and I would go after social media allowing dangerous challenges to be a crime !

I hope the family will heal from this.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

As said above there should be accountability for the companies that allow such dangerous acts with obvious fatal consequences..

You won't ever stop word of mouth from peers etc but limiting it by some sort of censure and the law is needed..

Very sad, waste of a young life..

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"I think something that hasn't been discussed so far but needs to be.

That is how he came to be in the situation. It was a very dangerous trend on tik tok, Personally I feel this poor young man's death should not be in vain. Every single one of us needs to be aware of these dangerous "trends" as at any time there are several knocking about. If you have children or know young people or vulnerable adults that use these kinds of sites I think it's imperative that we know what these dangerous pranks are and talk to these young people about them. I also think we need to all of us put pressure on social media companies to crack down on these kind of videos, You can still see videos of the exact thing that this young boy did and had disastrous consequences plus this is not the first death that has happened as a result of this. "

I wondered how he ended up in his room with a shoelace round his neck. Tik Tok is so bad for teenagers

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"The hard reality is that every pound spent keeping a dead child artificially breathing is a pound not available for a patient with real prospects of recovery.

The parents have rightly been given every opportunity for independent review of the situation. I can understand why they do not want to give up. But the time has come where the limited resources should be used for someone who will definitely recover.

"

It's not really about that. If a person is in a position where their brain has stopped keeping them breathing, it stops controlling other bodily functions too. Organs begin shutting down. It is why it is often kinder to turn off the life support while the rest of their body is in a somewhat decent condition rather to leave them to progress to organ failure or sepsis. Of course though I understand why it's so much easier to see that from an objective perspective rather than that of someone who loves him and is desperate for any glimmer of hope that he isn't gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the question should not be weather we we think the parents or doctors are right or wrong but,

“what the hell is going wrong with society when kids and adults are being injured , dying or hurting themselves or commingling suicide due to the influences on social media and is it now time to clamp down on such things and social media as a whole ?”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought the cause wasn't known?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known?"
They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge "

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

In my prayers in this very difficult time for them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then."

Who’s passing judgment ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?"

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Dont you think all you its time for his mother to let him go let him die with dignity? "

I'm not a fan of emotionally manipulative phrases such as 'let him die with dignity.'

It will be time for his mother to let go when she is ready and that may never happen regardless of what happens to Archie.

If Archie is already dead then how he feels shouldn't be considered.

What is being considered is cost, waste of NHS money and doctors time , hospital space , care and attention that could be given to others.

It's a hugely difficult time for those close to Archie. The choice is being taken out of their hands ( although if they had money there may have been alternatives ) They will grieve just others before them.

I do think it's time for everyone else to let it go now.

Children die every day but we seem to only notice the newsworthy ones.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"I had the theme tune from Frozen going through my head.......I'm going to Hell aren't I"

That is an incredibly cuntish thing to say. Did it sound funny in your head?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc."

Then maybe it’s time to look at these social media companies who act with impunity and society as a who who put such emphasis and power into the hands of social media as unfortunately this poor child is not the first and unfortunately won’t be last to fall victim to social media influence And that goes for adults as well it may well be the case it’s not social media influenced but the fact it’s been considered is enough that questions should be asked and I can guarantee that there will be many others who in this country and around the world who this week lost their life due to the pressure of social media in one way or another.

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Like Granny, I’m not keen on the phrasing used but in principal yes, I do think it’s time to let go.

Turning off life support is something I hope (having been there) no one ever has to experience but you have to do what’s best for the person and not yourself. Everyone will feel differently about it at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc."

Nobody has blamed tick tick, his mother put it out there that she believed it was a tick tick challenge gone wrong and tbf regardless of whether that is true children have been killed and harmed due to this social media 'trend' so it is right that these issues are highlighted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"unfortunately this poor child is not the first and unfortunately won’t be last to fall victim to social media influence And that goes for adults as well it may well be the case it’s not social media influenced

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So it is... but it may not be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc.

Nobody has blamed tick tick, his mother put it out there that she believed it was a tick tick challenge gone wrong and tbf regardless of whether that is true children have been killed and harmed due to this social media 'trend' so it is right that these issues are highlighted "

You only have to read up a little to see that isn't true.

Yes it's a valid debate. But it isn't correct to assume it's the cause in this case at this stage.

It certainly isn't correct to suggest things should be done on only the basis of what some people think MIGHT have happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc.

Nobody has blamed tick tick, his mother put it out there that she believed it was a tick tick challenge gone wrong and tbf regardless of whether that is true children have been killed and harmed due to this social media 'trend' so it is right that these issues are highlighted

You only have to read up a little to see that isn't true.

Yes it's a valid debate. But it isn't correct to assume it's the cause in this case at this stage.

It certainly isn't correct to suggest things should be done on only the basis of what some people think MIGHT have happened."

In this case “might” have happened in thousands of other cases social media influence definitely has happened. It’s sad but maybe given it’s high profile this could be a catalyst for some serious questions to be asked and some reforms around social media influence that way some good could come from such a sad situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In this case “might” have happened in thousands of other cases social media influence definitely has happened. It’s sad but maybe given it’s high profile this could be a catalyst for some serious questions to be asked and some reforms around social media influence that way some good could come from such a sad situation. "

Perhaps. But it won't help that debate if we later find out that social media was not at fault in this case.

I'm sure there will be an inquest.

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By *xxLandNxxxCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

Think it’s one of them where people should keep their opinions to themselves. It’s not going to have no effect on the outcome. It’s purely the mothers choice how she wants to deal with this and shouldn’t be slated, harassed or bullied.

Sure she’s gone through enough x

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

It is absolutely tragic for that poor boy and his family, but there is also something about the whole thing that just feels a little bit off.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"In this case “might” have happened in thousands of other cases social media influence definitely has happened. It’s sad but maybe given it’s high profile this could be a catalyst for some serious questions to be asked and some reforms around social media influence that way some good could come from such a sad situation.

Perhaps. But it won't help that debate if we later find out that social media was not at fault in this case.

I'm sure there will be an inquest."

There will definitely be an inquest. But its likely the family will make sure the focus is on blaming the hospital for what they perceive as failings on the hospitals part rather than focusing on the events that led to him being hospitalised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the cause wasn't known? They are not 100% sure but think he as taking part in a online social media challenge

That's as I thought.

Perhaps people should wait before passing judgment then.

Who’s passing judgment ?

There are several comments blaming TikTok etc.

Nobody has blamed tick tick, his mother put it out there that she believed it was a tick tick challenge gone wrong and tbf regardless of whether that is true children have been killed and harmed due to this social media 'trend' so it is right that these issues are highlighted

You only have to read up a little to see that isn't true.

Yes it's a valid debate. But it isn't correct to assume it's the cause in this case at this stage.

It certainly isn't correct to suggest things should be done on only the basis of what some people think MIGHT have happened."

That is what the family think happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is what the family think happened. "

This is what has been reported as what they think may have happened.

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By *he FAB Social - MCRCouple (FF)
over a year ago

manchester

I feel for this couple and personally I agree with the above posters of ‘I wouldn’t want to be kept artificially alive like that’ but the sad truth is, turn off all the tubes, machines and whistles and the state of his little body is just not compatible with life. All this said I appreciate how she views all this suituation through the ‘blindness’ of love and a broken heart.

I do believe that there should be a chance for her wish to be granted for his move to a hospice, even if he did die en-route at least it’s a more pleasant environment to mourn and spend time with his body.

What I do fear is that this will then lead to more trauma but I don’t think access to all the legal issues should carry on after his death. Re:dying in the hospital or en-route or whatever because I also don’t believe the artificial machines should accompany. TLC only.

All this, of course, is from an outsider looking in. I don’t minimise her pain AT ALL.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"I do believe that there should be a chance for her wish to be granted for his move to a hospice, even if he did die en-route at least it’s a more pleasant environment to mourn and spend time with his body.

"

If he died on route, the ambulance would either carry on to the hospice or go back to the hospital for a doctor to verify the death and then he'd be taken straight to a mortuary. It's a horrible process when some dies in an ambulance

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