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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus

Yes I’m just stupid enough to have gotten in the middle of that

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

Yes I probably would have been stupid enough to try and help and end up hurt or in jail or both

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Probably/possibly. I certainly wouldn't just stand and film it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would and have done before but more and more people will think twice now.

Not too long ago a man was stabbed in Newcastle when he intervened in a fight amongst teenagers.

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By *skyouneverknowMan
over a year ago

Calne

Yes of course

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By *cxxxMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

Yes I would have stepped in. The world is fucked up.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instinctively yes, I would step in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

Have done countless times

Security in pubs clubs

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By *gent CoulsonMan
over a year ago

Secret hideaway in the pennines

Having had to break up fights over the years working in pubs and clubs, most definitely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have in the past will do again no doubt in my mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I’m stamping on the murderers face

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I would certainly try.

God, how awful. That poor man

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bingley

Without a doubt. There would be an obvious risk of injury to my self. But damn if it saves someone from a possible death then im jumping in

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By *hilledGuyClactonMan
over a year ago

Little clacton

Tough one..I grew up in a area where you're likely to be stabbed.Maybe would've jump in if I was younger, but have more sense now.

I wouldn't stand there filming though.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I would do my best to stop another human being harmed. I am not strong but I am not heartless either.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?"

In the past yes. Now...? Not so sure.

Let's hope those filming it can be used to catch the animals. Which mate have been their way of helping the best they could? I mean cctv and cameras seem more and more to be the way we police much crime now.

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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Yes

Have done countless times

Security in pubs clubs "

Me too!

And anyone filming it should be arrested for something. Being a dick. That'll do.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Yes. Then I’d fucking deck the scum who were filming it.

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

I have done previously yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a sad world we live in and quite frankly the world's full of bastards. I'd like to think I would help but you never know until you're in that situation yourself.

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus


"I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die."

We’d check them into the concrete

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By *ull English with teaMan
over a year ago

London

Yes, definitely. I do have a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like that.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I despair at the lack of humanity arpund. This was also fillowed by another report of an incident filmed and posted by a Nigerian woman who apparently was beaten up for asking for her wages. It's just so, so sad but probably not that rare.

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By *onkeynutWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

Yes, but only if other people were around too. People see things happening, someone taken ill, someone drowning, someone being beaten up, and they don’t know how to react so just appear to do nothing. Often it only takes that one person to step in to help for those people watching to help too.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Really interesting question. It is an instinctive reaction based on risk, there will be circumstances that would prevent me from getting involved and others that wouldn't. Rushing into anything without thought is a ticket to disaster, the thought process is milli seconds.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek


"I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die.

We’d check them into the concrete "

When I've thought its gonna potentially kick off physically at work and I've been keeping a distance so as not to aggravate an already tense situation I psyche myself up ready to jump in if necessary and "throw down" my imaginary gloves.

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus


"I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die.

We’d check them into the concrete

When I've thought its gonna potentially kick off physically at work and I've been keeping a distance so as not to aggravate an already tense situation I psyche myself up ready to jump in if necessary and "throw down" my imaginary gloves."

A bit of space gives you a good run up too. No penalty for charging in this situation

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek


"I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die.

We’d check them into the concrete

When I've thought its gonna potentially kick off physically at work and I've been keeping a distance so as not to aggravate an already tense situation I psyche myself up ready to jump in if necessary and "throw down" my imaginary gloves.

A bit of space gives you a good run up too. No penalty for charging in this situation "

I've already jumped over a few tables in my head too.

I'll take a few minutes or a couple of games for roughing if it saves someone else.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I will say please don't watch the video, its 4 minutes of a human being being killed by another "human" with his bare hands..disgusting

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus


"I'm convinced that's how I'm going to die.

We’d check them into the concrete

When I've thought its gonna potentially kick off physically at work and I've been keeping a distance so as not to aggravate an already tense situation I psyche myself up ready to jump in if necessary and "throw down" my imaginary gloves.

A bit of space gives you a good run up too. No penalty for charging in this situation

I've already jumped over a few tables in my head too.

I'll take a few minutes or a couple of games for roughing if it saves someone else."

Damn f*ckin right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. Then I’d fucking deck the scum who were filming it. "

If they were filming for clout I’d agree but they might be filming to make sure there’s evidence that could lead to a conviction.

I haven’t seen the video so don’t know the situation.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I've intervened numerous times if anyone I knew was involved.

On the few occasions that I've stepped in without knowing the circumstances or the people involved it has gone badly wrong and I've become the target so I won't be doing that again.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

Me Vs 6 others to be honest I'm not sure I'd step in if I was by myself. I'd shout that I was phoning the police and I'd actually probably would film it so the police would have something to prosecute the bastard's with.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

I'd like to think I would do something but I honestly don't know. I don't think anyone would know unless they were in that situation.

I don't have the presence of mind to film it as evidence though, so I wouldn't have my phone out unless it was to call the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's heartening to see so many heroes on the Fab forums!

I likely would intervene but at a distance and only with my mouth. I've intervened before, only to be told how stupid I was by the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Youve got to be so careful and you have to read the situation. In this case it wouldn't take very long for 6 men to kick and beat someone to death, if it was one on one and one person was going too far then yes, I'd jump in, but 6 on 1 is far too dangerous for just 1 other person to step in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always said I would but never been in that situation.

But yesterday I saw a woman when I was walking home, she was being absolutely berated by some man. I stepped in to try and help and the man grabbed my arm and I thought he was going to break it.

So now, I'm not so sure I would do something like that again. But I can promise you I would not stand there with my phone out filming it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've always said I would but never been in that situation.

But yesterday I saw a woman when I was walking home, she was being absolutely berated by some man. I stepped in to try and help and the man grabbed my arm and I thought he was going to break it.

So now, I'm not so sure I would do something like that again. But I can promise you I would not stand there with my phone out filming it. "

That’s always the difficulty, I’d think I’d jump in without really thinking about it. But afterwards contemplate that it could have been quite dangerous.

As mentioned about there’s been loads of incidents where the person stepping in ends up in a bad way as well.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

No, I have children to be there for, you never know if someone will pull a knife on you. I would, however, do my best to find a policeman or someone bigger than me that may be able to help.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I know of people jumping in to save a woman being attacked by a man who were then attacked and verbally abused by the woman and in one case having a bottle broken over their head by the woman.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I'd call the police and shout.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I would and I have done in the past as well.

Anyone that can stand and watch someone be kicked to death is sick in the head personally. And to film it makes it even worse as most of the time it's to share it on social media platforms and not used for evidence!

The video in itself is horrendous to watch and it was very one sided, the poor bloke couldn't defend himself against the man beating him

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I'd call the police and shout. "

You are caller 7 in our queue, your call is important to us. Please visit our website or hang up and call again later

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'd call the police and shout.

You are caller 7 in our queue, your call is important to us. Please visit our website or hang up and call again later

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Yeah there is that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?"

Not sure, depends on how big the guy is or how many are doing the beating. I certainly would’ve called the Police rather than do nothing.

I boxed in the Army and can certainly take a punch or two, but I’ve lived in some rough areas in my life and seen what happens when idiots get angry and abusive. So it’s easy to find yourself a victim rather than the hero.

I’d take a beating or a bullet for my loved ones, especially my Children, but a stranger will only get a call to the Police or maybe I’ll step in if I think I could reasonably stop it. If not I’ll leave it to the professionals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?"

I would of stopped it. I've never been able to just stand by and watch things like this happen. As much as there is a risk to my life, I'd be ashamed if I did nothing. And my moral compass always guides me to help.

Max

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Nowhere

yes i would - what a sorry world we live in - ‘someone getting kicked shitless’ - ok … hang on while i get my phone out ….. cnuts!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whenever we have stories like this and people refuse to help I always think of the 2 women that stepped in to help Lee Rigby. Those women were so brave.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Too many people these days reach for their phone and rather than phone the Police they start videoing for clout.

I would have split them up. I stopped a bloke beating up his Mrs in town one night and she clobbered me from behind with one of her heels. Totally worth it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we no what he'd done .I certainly wouldn't have filmed it and stood around doing nothing.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Many years ago when I was a kid, my dad was driving me and sisters to local swimming pool.

I'm talking about 45 years ago.

He stopped as he saw some guy on a grass verge beating the crap out of some woman.

He jumped out and dragged him off her just about to give him a Punch when she jumped on dad's back biting him and scratching his face, whilst the guy then started laying into dad.

Luckily enough a couple of others stepped in.

However I've always been very wary of entering a situation like this.

There's many variables involved but I'd like to think id be man enough to step in.

But with knives being carried as common place these days it makes you think.

I was nearly killed as a teenager by a gang of racist's with baseball bats ,beat the living shit out of me as I dared to have non white friends.

Since that day I have always been very measured in my approach and street wise.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

I would go somewhere safe and call the police.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?"

He killed him using his own crutches? Am i reading that right?

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow. "

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that "

It's not an altogether different scenario at all. It just goes to show that people will walk on by even if there is no obvious risk to themselves. So the argument of I wouldn't intervene because I feel I would be at risk doesn't always come into it people just don't want to put themselves out.

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By *estLondonDeepMan
over a year ago

London

Sad reflection of the state of the world today. People would rather film an attack or fight in the hope of it going viral, rather than help or ring the Police.

I've broken up fights and attacks (as recent as a couple of years ago) and and would do it again.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd definitely intervene and hope that others would too.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?

He killed him using his own crutches? Am i reading that right? "

Ive just googled it, horrendous thing to happen. Yeah the poor man used a crutch and the guy knocked him down with it and looks like he hit him with it and chok ed him as well. That guy is going away for a long time. He was previously diagnosed with a mental illness as well, nothing racially motivated, just a dangerous no doubt unmedicates untreated person.

Cant believe someone stood there and recorded it

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By *eamworkboyMan
over a year ago

Irvine

100% yes I would, I hate bullies and I hate injustice, so yes I'd have been in the middle of it

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that

It's not an altogether different scenario at all. It just goes to show that people will walk on by even if there is no obvious risk to themselves. So the argument of I wouldn't intervene because I feel I would be at risk doesn't always come into it people just don't want to put themselves out. "

But you weren't in any danger of being attacked were you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a person who was assulted on the street after brexit vote for existing

- I would intervene

It's a tragedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that

It's not an altogether different scenario at all. It just goes to show that people will walk on by even if there is no obvious risk to themselves. So the argument of I wouldn't intervene because I feel I would be at risk doesn't always come into it people just don't want to put themselves out.

But you weren't in any danger of being attacked were you? "

At the time I had no idea, It didn't even enter to my head. My point is people will walk by regardless of any perceived danger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help."

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though. "

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by. "

As much as I'd worry about being hurt because of my loved ones I know my morals wouldn't let me not intervene. It's just in my dna I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by.

As much as I'd worry about being hurt because of my loved ones I know my morals wouldn't let me not intervene. It's just in my dna I think"

It's problematic making it about "morals" - protecting my kids is also highly moralistic behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by.

As much as I'd worry about being hurt because of my loved ones I know my morals wouldn't let me not intervene. It's just in my dna I think

It's problematic making it about "morals" - protecting my kids is also highly moralistic behaviour. "

Yeah and I'd be very torn, but I think (as close to certain as I can be) that my overriding thought would be would I be ok to not help?? I don't think my being would do well if I didnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst thing anyone can do Is nothing. Seek assistance if you are intimidated, but filming it is as bad or worse than those involved. I am one of those people who will intervene and have done so many times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What could have happened had that scottish fella not taken down that terrorist back in the 2000s if he had just thought il film this fella with a S vest on on my phone it will be reet

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus


"What could have happened had that scottish fella not taken down that terrorist back in the 2000s if he had just thought il film this fella with a S vest on on my phone it will be reet "

“This is scotland we’ll set aboot ye”

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Wete the people filming collecting evidence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would of at least phoned/got the police & shouted for it to stop but as of getting involved I don't think so I wouldn't want to die or got badly beaten myself but definitely wouldn't do nothing & certainly not film it

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I wouldnt, but I'm a coward. I would of called the police though

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"The worst thing anyone can do Is nothing. Seek assistance if you are intimidated, but filming it is as bad or worse than those involved. I am one of those people who will intervene and have done so many times."

Unless you need evidence? I mean that's why there are so many cameras everywhere isn't it?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that

It's not an altogether different scenario at all. It just goes to show that people will walk on by even if there is no obvious risk to themselves. So the argument of I wouldn't intervene because I feel I would be at risk doesn't always come into it people just don't want to put themselves out.

But you weren't in any danger of being attacked were you?

At the time I had no idea, It didn't even enter to my head. My point is people will walk by regardless of any perceived danger. "

But an old lady laying on the ground isn't likely to be dangerous... Intervening with a gang of 6 aroused blokes killing someone is quite likely to be dangerous.

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus


"Yes I would of and I have in the past. One instance springs to mind. When I was about 10 I was walking home from school I saw an old lady collapsed on the pavement several adults just walked past but when I stopped to help a few people then came over. Sometimes it just takes one person to intervene for others to then follow.

That's an altogether different scenario

In answer to the OP, I'd be unlikely to try to physically intervene. I don't think much good would come from that

It's not an altogether different scenario at all. It just goes to show that people will walk on by even if there is no obvious risk to themselves. So the argument of I wouldn't intervene because I feel I would be at risk doesn't always come into it people just don't want to put themselves out.

But you weren't in any danger of being attacked were you?

At the time I had no idea, It didn't even enter to my head. My point is people will walk by regardless of any perceived danger.

But an old lady laying on the ground isn't likely to be dangerous... Intervening with a gang of 6 aroused blokes killing someone is quite likely to be dangerous. "

Depends how many you take down on the first charge

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Yes I’m stamping on the murderers face "

Oh you're hard.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Nah wouldn't get involved. Not worth the risk.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I know of people jumping in to save a woman being attacked by a man who were then attacked and verbally abused by the woman and in one case having a bottle broken over their head by the woman.

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Saw that quite a few times. And been involved.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Yes have done and wouldn't hesitate again x

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!! "

Yawn. Always one.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Yes I would simply because the guy was out numbered even though it's none of my business people shouldn't be quick to take the law into their own hands

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Instinctively I probably would try.

Maybe my brain would say don't be stupid you can barely open a bottle, you'll never fight them off, but, seeing someone being beaten might overcome that thought.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Working in a Secondary school I'd often be in the middle of Yr 10/11 boys having a row.

Thankfully, there were always other adults nearby to help out, but on one occasion they were too violent for me and I did crowd control while a deputy head stepped in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Verbally yes, film it for evidence yes, physically with 6 of them, probably not. The last time I intervened I was very nearly stamped to death.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Working in a Secondary school I'd often be in the middle of Yr 10/11 boys having a row.

Thankfully, there were always other adults nearby to help out, but on one occasion they were too violent for me and I did crowd control while a deputy head stepped in.

"

As an ex squaddie I know the pitfalls of male testosterone getting out of hand and having to step in. But my overriding morals would always make me step in regardless of my own safety

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By *heaspieswingerMan
over a year ago

Peak District

Mr here.

Instinctively I would have stepped in. I used to work in a rough pub where fights happened every Friday and Saturday, and I was forever intervening. Been attacked a couple of times in the past to for it. Wouldn’t stop me.

The people filming it are almost as bad as the attackers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mr here.

Instinctively I would have stepped in. I used to work in a rough pub where fights happened every Friday and Saturday, and I was forever intervening. Been attacked a couple of times in the past to for it. Wouldn’t stop me.

The people filming it are almost as bad as the attackers "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I wouldn't. I'm tiny and not a match for a single violent man, let alone a group of them. I'd holler my arse off for help and phone the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well it was my job for a long time, but I have been known to go solo on a few occasions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one. "

Always one speaking up I know

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I’m stamping on the murderers face

Oh you're hard. "

No I’m human

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy? "

Asking the wrong questions sir

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy? "

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would've definitely stepped in. Whatever was going on should be dealt with appropriately not with violence

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

Couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t do something

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max"

Just looking for context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Just looking for context. "

Not really any context needed tbh except he was murdered by a pack of animals. Its just wrong.

Max

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max"

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Just looking for context. "

Maybe he was on holiday? Maybe he lived there? Maybe he was an illegal immigrant?

Do any of those possibilities really add context

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's always amusing how many people are adamant that they'd intervene when typing on a forum, but in reality the public would rather film it (albeit that may result in a prosecution).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

"

Yeah I can see that, but its still been taken way to far. By all means give him a slap but to kill him for it us just over the top

Max

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

I’m one of those that can’t stand by

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

"

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m one of those that can’t stand by"

Never have and I never will

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

Yeah I can see that, but its still been taken way to far. By all means give him a slap but to kill him for it us just over the top

Max"

A Nigerian on crutches was sexually harassing a woman so was beaten to death? Wow.

Mind you, a guy on a naturist beach in France was shot dead the other week for harassing & masturbating in front of a woman. The guy with the gun claimed it went off accidentally. Three shots to the chest by the way.

Funny old world.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"And anyone filming it should be arrested for something. Being a dick. That'll do."

Isn't it possible that they were filming to pass on to the Police? That's how I read the OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man."

Italy has its problems with racism just as the uk does. I'm part sicilian so know Italy really well and can tell you it's not much worse than the uk for its racism. It just gets more media attention as a lot is supposedly tied to the mob or the football hooligans.

As for this attack its disgusting and I hope whoever the perpetrators are get locked up for good

Max

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man."

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Like to think i would ( Mr4) but sadly on the rise here in the UK and it's where populism ( as in Trump/Boris) leads to the feeling that we in whatever country we live are some how "Special/Superior" and that it's of course the "Others" fault for the countries ills/woes and problems and just lazy politics and plays the to the most basest instrincts ! and very very hard to roll back and we do know afew Immigrants and about 90% of them have faced some kind of racist abuse and worse in 2 cases

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man."

Allegedly he was saying that the murderers wife was beautiful is how it’s been reported.

Don’t shoot me down, I wasn’t there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one. "

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack? "

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yes, I have a bad habit of not walking by.

The last time I intervened took up two hours but no one was physically harmed when I was there.

This case in Italy made me physically sick. The recent one of a white man hitting a brown man with his umbrella and following him to continue harangue him felt too familiar, as I have experienced that sort of harassment more often than I like to admit since 2016. No one has intervened to help me.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man."

It wasnt a racist attack. This has already been debunked. Please stop spreading rhetoric like that

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?"

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What? "

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant"

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason"

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered? "

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race”

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary. "

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I probably would have done if in the UK, but doubtful in a Foreign Country. Hopefully those filming it, will make it available to the police and the murderers will get caught!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it"

Take the murderers word mate yeah good thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race” "

Yes, you should be able to express that. It was very dismissive to say "yawn".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it"

Have you got contacts in Italy?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race” "

Simple answer to this.

In the overwhelming number of cases when a black man is murdered, what is the skin colour of the perpetrator? Black. There is not some epidemic out there of white men murdering black men

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

Have you got contacts in Italy? "

Nope. I read it earlier in one of the reporting articles

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over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race”

Simple answer to this.

In the overwhelming number of cases when a black man is murdered, what is the skin colour of the perpetrator? Black. There is not some epidemic out there of white men murdering black men

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Here we go

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

Take the murderers word mate yeah good thinking "

Well who else would you suggest asking?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it"

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way."

Fair enough. But why would the default position be then to suggest that it was?

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy? "

I'm guessing he moved there for work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's far to easy to brush aside the word racial on any attacks on someone of colour. The world needs to understand were all the same regardless of the colour of our skin, the religion we follow, our sexual preferences or our sex. The sooner we all see this the better. It's totally learned behaviour and no less.

Max

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

I'm guessing he moved there for work.

"

I’d like to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race”

Simple answer to this.

In the overwhelming number of cases when a black man is murdered, what is the skin colour of the perpetrator? Black. There is not some epidemic out there of white men murdering black men

"

BLM weren’t started for now reason but I’m not gonna go down that road

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

Take the murderers word mate yeah good thinking

Well who else would you suggest asking? "

The 10s-100s of standers by for a start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A couple were in my street possibly 20yrs ago arguing and being physical and a random guy tried to help the woman and he was attacked by them both and died by hitting his head on the kerb, if I was the random guy I would step in, it's a massive risk but I'll be at peace with my decision.

I've stepped in before and it's scary when I think back but the world needs people to help stop crime

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way.

Fair enough. But why would the default position be then to suggest that it was? "

I no longer explain racism on the forum. It's a waste of my energy as whatever I present (and I know a fucking lot about this) is rebutted with the very line you just posted.

I'll leave you to it.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Just read the rest of this thread. My answer would be the same whoever was being beaten up. I didn’t really take much notice of the Nigerian bit.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way.

Fair enough. But why would the default position be then to suggest that it was?

I no longer explain racism on the forum. It's a waste of my energy as whatever I present (and I know a fucking lot about this) is rebutted with the very line you just posted.

I'll leave you to it.

"

Ah the old 'well if you dont know then i can't help you' retort.

How powerful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way.

Fair enough. But why would the default position be then to suggest that it was?

I no longer explain racism on the forum. It's a waste of my energy as whatever I present (and I know a fucking lot about this) is rebutted with the very line you just posted.

I'll leave you to it.

"

I got it when we lived in Japan as I was a gaijin. It was horrible as I was 5yrs old. And pretty much the same in every country we lived in as a youngster.

I also got spat at and verbally abused when I was in my army uniform on a few occasions. Its never nice to be on the receiving end

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By *reat me rightWoman
over a year ago

Rotherham

I would at the very least try to get thr police there if I didn't wade in

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack?

It hasn't been investigated as a racist attack in Italy. But it would be sensible to investigate any racial motives surely?

Yes it has been, and confirmed as not being racially motivated. The perptrator is mentally ill and this has been put forth as the reason

From what I read the Italian police didn't investigate a racial motive. The accused has been arrested. How all of you can know the full details of a case when it hasn't gone to court is extraordinary.

Well the perpetrator himself has told police he had no racial motivation behind it

I'm not white, so I accept my lived experience bias will be read as a bias. A perpetrator saying it wasn't race doesn't tell me that it wasn't racially motivated in some way.

Fair enough. But why would the default position be then to suggest that it was?

I no longer explain racism on the forum. It's a waste of my energy as whatever I present (and I know a fucking lot about this) is rebutted with the very line you just posted.

I'll leave you to it.

Ah the old 'well if you dont know then i can't help you' retort.

How powerful "

OK. I'll bite. That's not what I said. I said I no longer explain it because of the retorts I get. But you know that I am saying I CHOOSE not to help you because I do believe it will make a jot of difference to your world view or the argument you choose to make on here.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

No.

Would have called police.

The thought of filming it is disgusting.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

No I would call the police or get someone else to and try to find any nearby police/security/etc. It's unlikely I have the chance of overpowering someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep..died three times already..so would not think of me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by. "

I would intervene and I certainly wouldn't ask others to help if I wasn't prepared to do so myself. I think anybody that would expect somebody to intervene if it was them or somebody they loved should be prepared to do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wete the people filming collecting evidence?"

That's fine and can be helpful however not when they then post it on social media.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I would. I'm built like a brick shithouse, so, that's easy for me to say. Not sure that everyone should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would. I'm built like a brick shithouse, so, that's easy for me to say. Not sure that everyone should "

I'm 5ft and I still would. I have in the past and I will again.

If I didn't feel I would actually be able to help physically, I would make a hell of a lot of noise and phone the police I would then consider getting my phone out to film or take a photograph for evidence, Any photo or videos would only go to the police and not on any social media platform and I think that's the difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would intervene and I certainly wouldn't ask others to help if I wasn't prepared to do so myself. I think anybody that would expect somebody to intervene if it was them or somebody they loved should be prepared to do the same. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would intervene and I certainly wouldn't ask others to help if I wasn't prepared to do so myself. I think anybody that would expect somebody to intervene if it was them or somebody they loved should be prepared to do the same.

Well said "

Just to clarify I'm not necessarily talking about someone physically intervening and getting between people, I'm talking about phoning the police, Making noise as to try and disturb them. My understanding is none of the people filming contacted the police.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

I'd just ring the police, let them deal with it. 8 definitely wouldn't film it though.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Yes I probably would have been stupid enough to try and help and end up hurt or in jail or both "

I think I would too if someone was being overpowered & battered beyond what my stomach could handle. And I’d probably be battered or locked up myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Beaten to death by your own crutches?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently the more people who see something like this happening the more likely no one will help.

I think its called the bystander effect.

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By *valon7Woman
over a year ago

Lancaster

The people who stood there videoing it are just as disgusting as the perpetrator!If i had an XXL bully with me then yeah i most certainly would have intervened and at the very least i would have called the Authorities.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

Always one speaking up I know "

Always one making it about what it wasn't.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Who was doing the attacking? What was the Nigerian guy doing in Italy?

Does it really matter what he was doing in Italy?? Does it really make it ok to murder him??

Max

Allegedly he was sexually harassing the guys wife / girlfriend.

He picked the wrong one to his detriment.

Shocking world we live in.

After a quick search I can let you know this ain’t true, he was a street vendor selling towels for pocket change, he has a wife. As we DO know Italy is a extremely racist country everyone I know who has been has testified to that. Additionally the thug stole his phone after murdering the innocent man.

So because the victim was black it automatically becomes a racist attack? "

Seems to be the go to response.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What? "

Tiresome people bringing race into everything. Really boring.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I’m sick of seeing black men murdered on the news and on social media, like literally watching it carry out, sky news done that w George Floyd just vile!!

Yawn. Always one.

So tiresome when black men get murdered? What?

No. Tiresome when people immediately try to make something about race. A horrendous murder has occurred, the colour of the skin of the victim is irrelevant

How do you know it's irrelevant? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And a black man made the comment - why can't he express upset at seeing other black men murdered?

couldn’t say it better myself. Sometimes it’s worth asking why a person has an outlook before simply brushing it aside. As a black man I’m sick of hearing and seeing innocent unarmed black men killed. I express this and immediately it’s “why is it always about race”

Simple answer to this.

In the overwhelming number of cases when a black man is murdered, what is the skin colour of the perpetrator? Black. There is not some epidemic out there of white men murdering black men

BLM weren’t started for now reason but I’m not gonna go down that road"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by.

I would intervene and I certainly wouldn't ask others to help if I wasn't prepared to do so myself. I think anybody that would expect somebody to intervene if it was them or somebody they loved should be prepared to do the same. "

Fab for you. I love the judgement that comes with the answers on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't intervene as I am no match physically for a man bent on assault or more. I'd get help.

It's a risky strategy but sometimes a woman intervening is actually helpful and one of the reasons nightclubs like to employ female door staff. I do understand it is a big risk though.

It's a risk for anyone intervening. I've seen men tell stories here of how they were badly hurt when they tried to help. I'm a single mum and I'd think of my kids first. So unlikely I'd physically intervene but I'd call for help, ask others for help and certainly not walk on by.

I would intervene and I certainly wouldn't ask others to help if I wasn't prepared to do so myself. I think anybody that would expect somebody to intervene if it was them or somebody they loved should be prepared to do the same.

Fab for you. I love the judgement that comes with the answers on this thread. "

It's not a judgement.

Like I said if you expect others to do something it should be something you are prepared to do yourself if you choose to take that as a judgement that's on you.

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

Yes, as a fat 5'2 menopausal woman I have no fear.

I'd probably get the crap beaten out of me though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?"

Disgusting behaviour from the public & filming it . If this was the case ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?

Disgusting behaviour from the public & filming it . If this was the case ? "

It was because some of those that filmed it shared it on social media. To some extent I can understand the filming if it is to obtain evidence but no need whatsoever to share somebody being beaten to death on the Internet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sadly a Nigerian man was beaten to death in broad daylight in Italy? Not one person stepped in to help...by the way no weapons were used just the Nigerians crutches..but more then 6 people stood there and filmed it for 4 minutes!!! Would you have stood up to help? Is this the world now where we only care after an event that we possibly could have stopped?

Disgusting behaviour from the public & filming it . If this was the case ?

It was because some of those that filmed it shared it on social media. To some extent I can understand the filming if it is to obtain evidence but no need whatsoever to share somebody being beaten to death on the Internet. "

Absolutely

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

In my able bodied days, I would definitely have physically intervened and did on mote than one occasion.

Nowadays, I'm not sure how much I could help, other than to serve as a distraction but I'd give it a go, I think.

Yes, I'd probably end up being stabbed or whatever but I've always been impulsive in acting in serious/dangerous situations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my able bodied days, I would definitely have physically intervened and did on mote than one occasion.

Nowadays, I'm not sure how much I could help, other than to serve as a distraction but I'd give it a go, I think.

Yes, I'd probably end up being stabbed or whatever but I've always been impulsive in acting in serious/dangerous situations."

Of course personal safety has to be a consideration but I can guarantee that you would not have started filming and not attempted to help in any way or call the police. That's what the issue is I think because the amount of times people just stand and watch or walk on by.

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