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"Or is it just that a vast percentage of the population are carrying around some of this baggage?" And we're far more inclined to be open about it | |||
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"You're 60. You're really saying you don't have any "issues"? I have plenty, many of them created by the men who've been in my life. I don't want a partner to "help me". I want a partner to love as I am. " I think your right it is so often those that are close to us that end up doing the most harm as they can do so from inside our defences. Certainly for me it most was done by my family but this is fairly closely followed by long-term partners. | |||
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"Truth is we are all a bit broken, we just need to choose the right glue to hold us together." words out of mouth altho the glue bit is a stretch i prefer gaffa tape | |||
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"For me, that’s a sign that there is work on myself I need to do, if I am repeatedly getting into unhealthy codependent relationships. I’m a luxury, I want to be wanted, not needed. . " Agree with this… it can take time to realise fully though and it can be heartbreaking to go through x | |||
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"Personally I think women with issues ultimately end up with guys that fuel those issues, because that’s what the women know. Almost like they’re subliminally conditioned to look for certain traits. It’s very difficult to have a relationship with a guy who adores you totally and to be safe and secure in that relationship to the point it flourishes. I know a couple who have been together for years and she treats him like shit, he’s so lovely though and wouldn’t hurt a fly. She’s broken due to historic incidents but he doesn’t see the issues, he absolutely adores her! They’ll stay together, absolutely they will but I don’t think he is truly happy. On the other point, I do think caring men find the women who they feel they can help, whether it be long term or short term. It’s whether the women want to change their behaviours that is the biggest question. I left a DA marriage and although I still class myself as ‘broken’, I have found a guy (not in a relationship with) that treats me with the utmost respect, love and care that I need right now. He’s helping me realise my worth as it were. It’s all about finding the right one to make you realise, it can take months or years and you don’t even have to be in an intimate relationship with them x My personal view though Pixie " All of this. Though I wouldn’t have the happy relationship I do now if I hadn’t taken time out to heal my issues, or if he wasn’t also on top of his issues. | |||
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"For me, that’s a sign that there is work on myself I need to do, if I am repeatedly getting into unhealthy codependent relationships. I’m a luxury, I want to be wanted, not needed. . " very true, I wanted to be wanted for who I am, not who someone wants me to be | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. " Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it? | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help." You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! " wasn't me that lost interest | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it?" I guess to a certain point? Resilience is so important and that's something we can all work on. But, we all have a limit. And then we break and need to heal again and get that resilience back. | |||
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"Show me someone who doesn't have issues." I'm the flaming back catalogue of Vogue | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it? I guess to a certain point? Resilience is so important and that's something we can all work on. But, we all have a limit. And then we break and need to heal again and get that resilience back. " in truth my last relationship destroyed my self confidence and has taken a long time to find my feet again | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it? I guess to a certain point? Resilience is so important and that's something we can all work on. But, we all have a limit. And then we break and need to heal again and get that resilience back. in truth my last relationship destroyed my self confidence and has taken a long time to find my feet again " That would ultimately happen I think though if you attracted those with deep issues. You can only give of yourself so much and then you start to be dragged down too x Hope you’re doing a bit better now Pixie | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it?" Absolutely. What person 'A' sees as an 'issue' might seem insignificant to person 'B', and so they respond differently. The interesting point is why? Is it nature (genes) or nurture (upbringing)? | |||
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"There is a spectrum of 'issues' and most, if not all, of us are on the scale somewhere - it's just a question of where. Moreover, it's not a fixed position on the scale, it moves up and down with life's travails. Hypothesis. It’s not how much shit has happened to you that fucks you up, but how well you are able to cope with it? Absolutely. What person 'A' sees as an 'issue' might seem insignificant to person 'B', and so they respond differently. The interesting point is why? Is it nature (genes) or nurture (upbringing)?" I reckon it’s whether it is something related to your own issues or not? I absolutely cannot be around people who complain about work. It literally makes me ill - and that ties into past trauma. But for everyone else, it’s no big deal. | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! wasn't me that lost interest " Once fixed they often fly the nest leaving the fixer behind. KJ | |||
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"Truth is we are all a bit broken, we just need to choose the right glue to hold us together." | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! wasn't me that lost interest Once fixed they often fly the nest leaving the fixer behind. KJ" There’s nothing wrong with that , I’m happy to let them fly away in a much better shape it’s nice if you gain a life long friend too | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! wasn't me that lost interest " Sorry meant you sound like him as in needing women he could fix not the latter part! | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! wasn't me that lost interest Once fixed they often fly the nest leaving the fixer behind. KJ There’s nothing wrong with that , I’m happy to let them fly away in a much better shape it’s nice if you gain a life long friend too " If that's how it all works out absolutely I have a friend at work though who poured their soul into fixing someone. Once that person finally soured they left my friend (the fixer who loved them more than life) devastated and broken. Funny how life works out. KJ | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help. You sound like my ex lol he always needed women he could fix and when they were no longer broken he lost interest! wasn't me that lost interest Once fixed they often fly the nest leaving the fixer behind. KJ There’s nothing wrong with that , I’m happy to let them fly away in a much better shape it’s nice if you gain a life long friend too If that's how it all works out absolutely I have a friend at work though who poured their soul into fixing someone. Once that person finally soured they left my friend (the fixer who loved them more than life) devastated and broken. Funny how life works out. KJ" I think to an extent that's almost inevitable. The relationship is no longer the same. If you enter a relationship with the aim of fixing someone your aim ultimately is to change them, no matter how altruistic your motive there's an element of wanting them to be different to the person you met. On the other hand if you accept the person as they are and your aim is to grow and change together I think it stands a far greater chance of success. The old adage of 'never marry a man thinking you'll change him' could be changed to 'never enter into a relationship with a person thinking you'll change them' and still hold true today. If you don't love them as they are, you don't love them | |||
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"Show me someone who doesn't have issues." I have my own shoes | |||
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"I was chatting with a friend in the pub last night and the conversation got onto relationships as he has just started seeing someone. He brought up a very interesting point and it got me wondering. My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help." Both. And I should know. | |||
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"I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help." Yes to both, and its not always healthy especially if boundaries are not established. Caretaker personality types focus all of their energy to taking care of the emotional needs of someone else. | |||
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"I'm naturally a fixer by nature and it's a treble trait. What I've learnt is the following rules: Fix yourself, first and foremost. Be comfortable in your own skin and love yourself. Only go with people who who are fixed or show capacity and desire to fix them selves. Go with people who have good emotional intelligence and have grown as a person. Go with people who have the ability to communicate honestly even when that honesty isn't always positive. Simply it's no good being in the right place personally if you then pick someone who is not in the right place themselves. Both sides of a couple need to learn to love and understand themselves as an individual first. It doesn't work if only one of you is at that place or putting in the effort (not every in the right mental space to recognise or wants to love themselves). Not to say it's not ok to be broken or not ok to have issues. Just make sure your in the right place for a relationship first and choose someone who is likewise or showing the sign that they are getting to the right place." I think I agree with most of what you said. It’s not a terrible trait though , it’s a responsibility to use gifts sure , but you can also choose to refrain from fixing things (and people) or you can inspire , mentor and influence people them to fix themselves which is much more important skill | |||
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"Is it just that as we age we all get issues?" No. Not all of the people who have responsibility for children should be parents | |||
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"I'm naturally a fixer by nature and it's a treble trait. What I've learnt is the following rules: Fix yourself, first and foremost. Be comfortable in your own skin and love yourself. Only go with people who who are fixed or show capacity and desire to fix them selves. Go with people who have good emotional intelligence and have grown as a person. Go with people who have the ability to communicate honestly even when that honesty isn't always positive. Simply it's no good being in the right place personally if you then pick someone who is not in the right place themselves. Both sides of a couple need to learn to love and understand themselves as an individual first. It doesn't work if only one of you is at that place or putting in the effort (not every in the right mental space to recognise or wants to love themselves). Not to say it's not ok to be broken or not ok to have issues. Just make sure your in the right place for a relationship first and choose someone who is likewise or showing the sign that they are getting to the right place." I agree with some of this. Through the mist of my ‘brokenness’ I have met people who were exactly the same as myself and although lovely people, two persons trying to fix themselves from the bottom up really doesn’t work. I tend to hide my thoughts, a learnt behaviour I guess but a couple of men have made such an impact that they just know without asking where I’m at. Again these are not intimate male friends but ones I cherish very much. I’m very happy at the moment with where I am but I know that can change really fast if I meet the ‘wrong’ person Pixie | |||
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"Is it just that as we age we all get issues?" Every person on the planet has issues of some description. Some are so small that they have little impact on them or anyone else others are huge and impact greatly on their life | |||
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"Is it just that as we age we all get issues?" I was a mess before I was a teenager and drinking heavily by 17 I don't think I'm unusual for my generation. There was no talk of mental health and no support when I was younger. Maybe the problems manifest themselves more as we age but they definitely don't start later in life | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis." Well everybody has a past and that shapes us as humans. | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis." Lucky you I think most people recognise thst mental health is an issue for many of us though | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis." Maybe someone stole your sweets in the playground and you’ve never forgiven them and now you hold onto material things just a bit too tightly ? That’s a generic example, it’s not one I have or one you have. If you can’t identify any it probably doesn’t apply to you. Why would you want specific examples of other peoples ? | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis. Lucky you I think most people recognise thst mental health is an issue for many of us though " I guess some of it may be luck, but a lot of it is down to hard work, planning and coping. I recognise that mental health is an issue for many people. Not for me though. | |||
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"I try to avoid those relationships, fixing people is not healthy for me and it took a long time for me to realise that. I only look for mutual nurturing relationships on here and Irl " Agree with this. I’m not interested in fixing anyone and I don’t need to be fixed. | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis. Lucky you I think most people recognise thst mental health is an issue for many of us though I guess some of it may be luck, but a lot of it is down to hard work, planning and coping. I recognise that mental health is an issue for many people. Not for me though." It's not necessarily about mental health though. Some people have personalities or learn behaviours the other struggled cope with and would define as "issues" | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis. Maybe someone stole your sweets in the playground and you’ve never forgiven them and now you hold onto material things just a bit too tightly ? That’s a generic example, it’s not one I have or one you have. If you can’t identify any it probably doesn’t apply to you. Why would you want specific examples of other peoples ?" I wasn't really after specific issues pertaining to an individual, I was just questioning the "everyone has issues" thing. I don't think I do. | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis. Well everybody has a past and that shapes us as humans. " I agree with your post, but is this an "issue"? It seems to me that people see "issues" as negatives when they could also be positives. I suppose it depends on what ones definition of an "issue" is though. | |||
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"My last 3 long term relationships have been with ladies with issues, I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help." Probably both, based on personal experience. Also based on personal experience, stop it and never do it again. I had my head well and truly fucked by someone I thought I could ‘save’ and I’ve never been the same since in a couple of respects. | |||
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"What are some examples of these "issues" that we're all supposed to have? If I do have any "issues" there are certainly none that I give a crap about, or even think about on a regular basis. Well everybody has a past and that shapes us as humans. I agree with your post, but is this an "issue"? It seems to me that people see "issues" as negatives when they could also be positives. I suppose it depends on what ones definition of an "issue" is though." The difference is important, but it's a matter of personal interpretation. Being self aware may not be the same as having 'issues' | |||
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" I am wondering if they are drawn to me because of my caring nature or I am drawn to then from some deep rooted desire to help." Or both. I'm wondering the same about my self | |||
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" I had my head well and truly fucked by someone I thought I could ‘save’ and I’ve never been the same since in a couple of respects." I've literally just come out of that and don't think ill be the same either | |||
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"No one is broken, and I don’t like the term. We all have thought processes that might need adjusting, or ways of being that could be transformed. Relationships can be transformative, if done in a healthy way, with growing and healing each other, not with one feeling like they are ‘fixing’ another. " You’re right, the people I’m drawn to definitely impart things on me, that I want otherwise I wouldn’t bother. If it’s one way it wouldn’t work. But I’m okay with being a little broken , it’s just a word! | |||
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