FabSwingers.com forum: Trainee teachers

By *0shadesOfFilth OP Man
over a year ago

nearby

Of the national requirement for new trainee teacher posts

Only 2 pc trainee physics teachers places filled

1 pc IT trainee teachers places filled

7 pc maths trainee teachers places filled

For newly qualified teachers:

10 pc teachers leave post within their first year

20 pc leave within first 2 years

40 pc leave within first four years

Education starved of teachers….

Says Mary Bousted ( head national education union)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup, pay them more, fund them properly, reduce class sizes. Oh look, retention.

But no, batter them around because ultimately, those that do it and stay are in it for more than just the money.

And get rid of private education. Pathetic stuff.

Vote, accordingly.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

It's almost like years of austerity has consequences. The entire public sector is at breaking point

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By *otmyrealname99Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Can't blame em, kids are fucking annoying

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Yep. I did teacher training years ago.

Never finished it after a shitty placement in a shitty school where few of the staff gave a toss and most of the pupils would have sooner been anywhere but at school.

There's not a lot of motivation to enter the profession and hasn't been for decades.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teacher for 16 years and counting.

Love it sometimes, hate it sometimes. Things have changed though. It’s too much.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Add to all the above the general impression that teachers are responsible for bringing up children, educating them about life and the low regard many parents hold them in and it's hardly surprising that it's not an attractive proposition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Add to all the above the general impression that teachers are responsible for bringing up children, educating them about life and the low regard many parents hold them in and it's hardly surprising that it's not an attractive proposition.

I was just going to say this it's often the parents that are more of a problem than the children.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read any article from the Daily Mail about teachers during covid and you’ll see why nobody wants that job.

Apparently they’re all lazy and get pissed in the staff room.

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

The pressure put upon teachers is awful, SLT can put on so much pressure. Unrealistic targets to hit, ever changing goal posts, bullying culture, complete misconception of the job by general public and media. Blame culture and lack of support from some families. Academies treating schools as businesses, undervaluing teachers. No wonder so many of us teachers have left the profession. Most of those that I graduated with exactly 14 years ago have left. Education needs quite an overhaul

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Just read any article from the Daily Mail about teachers during covid and you’ll see why nobody wants that job.

Apparently they’re all lazy and get pissed in the staff room."

I think the article probably got mixed up with one about 10 Downing Street...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!"

Most of us count down until our holidays. Not understanding the relevance and also I'm sorry but you're wrong if you genuinely believe teachers only do it for the holidays.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!"

I don’t know any. What a miserable life they must have if they are wishing away each day, week, term.

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By *xydadbodMan
over a year ago

Milton keynes

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment...."

That is very true.. as a teaching assistant, yes I do get 6 weeks holidays in the summer but for a teacher, they will be lucky to even get 2 weeks off in the summer. All the end of year reports and planning they have to do ready for Sept is insane. Making me question my choice to do my teacher training in few years once I finish uni lol

Still, only thing I can do is the best I can really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly

I did take this job initially for holidays - why? Because I had no bloody childcare and didn’t want to sponge off the government. I retrained to do a job so I could be at work, and be a bloody mother who was at home too !!

It boils my piss, when it’s mentioned about holidays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Secondly

Some do it because they like the power - we all know the ones who get a thrill when they get to take the register

Some think it’s still Dickensian times

The majority do it because they want the best for the children

I do it because I don’t want any child slipping through cracks like I did

Plus I love my job

The pay is rubbish but it’s a vocation

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By *xydadbodMan
over a year ago

Milton keynes

Yeah, I get that. So many kiddos are slowly being left behind as teachers are overwhelmed with the workload they have do with no support from schools. It's not right really

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment...."

Friend of mine was head of physics and assistant head a few years back making about 60K. He was so stressed at the point of a nervous breakdown. He retired early at 50 and now makes almost double teaching well behaved kids in the Middle East via Skype.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Who'd want all that hassle?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Yup, pay them more, fund them properly, reduce class sizes. Oh look, retention.

But no, batter them around because ultimately, those that do it and stay are in it for more than just the money.

And get rid of private education. Pathetic stuff.

Vote, accordingly. "

You are right but it is hard to decrease class sizes when you can't recruit enough teachers.

Wages are not the biggest issue though in education, the stress levels and excess out-of-hours workload are the problem. Both of which are even worse for the trainee staff, due to them needing to do "trainee stuff" on top of the planning, teaching, and marking. It is hardly a surprise that 40% of those who train as teachers have quit within 5 years.

Cal

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

I was a teacher for about 15 years and threw the towel in due to stress and other mental issues brought on by the job. I loved my job and have spent most of my life training and teaching people of all ages, nothing more rewarding than to see a person put your skills and knowledge into practice. More needs to be done to help teachers in the classroom, let us do our jobs and teach and nurture kids. Too much paperwork and politics in the job and no discipline whatsoever.

Teachers need to be supported, made to feel safe in the classroom and from bullying not only from the students but management aswell.

I could go on and on but those in the profession know what it's like. You don't get paid enough for the hours that you put in and there is very little recognition.

Wishing you all the very best in your teaching careers

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Still, only thing I can do is the best I can really "

I get 30 days holiday per annum, plus Bank Holidays. Same as all our teachers. Mr KC works in a non teaching role and gets 25 days plus BH. That's the sort of holidays I'm talking about and this is pretty standard in FE and HE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read any article from the Daily Mail about teachers during covid and you’ll see why nobody wants that job.

Apparently they’re all lazy and get pissed in the staff room.

I think the article probably got mixed up with one about 10 Downing Street...

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By *W ChapMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Put the good teachers in front of kids as much as possible and kids will learn.

Take rubbish teachers away from frontline teaching and get them to do all the shiity admin that bogs great teachers down.

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

What I don't understand is this: you can take a primary education degree 3 years and go straight into your first job, whilst if you do a degree in say maths then another year teacher training and get a job you get paid the same, a tally less as they have a year head start .

Only industry that does that

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Only industry that does that

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Only industry that does that

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By *unkmiMan
over a year ago

Shropshire

Teachers are now toothless. The behaviour in classrooms is shocking. It's a societal issue. The expectations should come from governmental legislation and support.

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment...."

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

You know what they say those who Can do those that can't teach

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits"

Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

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By *W ChapMan
over a year ago

Swindon

"You know what they say those who Can do those that can't teach"

Is that like, those who can, do and those that can't have to use FAB?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

Lol, maybe he needs some help with his phonics to read the room better next time.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Secondly

Some do it because they like the power - we all know the ones who get a thrill when they get to take the register

Some think it’s still Dickensian times

The majority do it because they want the best for the children

I do it because I don’t want any child slipping through cracks like I did

Plus I love my job

The pay is rubbish but it’s a vocation "

And there's the problem. We expect teachers and classroom assistants to look after and nuture our children for 42 weeks a year, paying them little more than the living wage. It's a scandal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what they say those who Can do those that can't teach"

It’s a shame that those that can’t forgot to teach you how to use punctuation.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits

Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

Your tits are out on your avatar on a swinging site. It isn't unusual for people to mention it

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

"You know what they say those who Can do those that can't teach

It’s a shame that those that can’t forgot to teach you how to use punctuation."

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Of the national requirement for new trainee teacher posts

Only 2 pc trainee physics teachers places filled

1 pc IT trainee teachers places filled

7 pc maths trainee teachers places filled

For newly qualified teachers:

10 pc teachers leave post within their first year

20 pc leave within first 2 years

40 pc leave within first four years

Education starved of teachers….

Says Mary Bousted ( head national education union)

Probably helpful also to understand...

*Why they are leaving

*Quality of our education

*quality of our teachers

*Impact parents have on education and teaching

The covid break was a massive missed opportunity to see what we are trying to educate, how we do it, why we are doing it and who participates and leads it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Yeah, I get that. So many kiddos are slowly being left behind as teachers are overwhelmed with the workload they have do with no support from schools. It's not right really "

Do you think parents have a role in their child's successful education?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I am not surprised OP, especially after the last couple of years where they were reported as being lazy because people thought they were doing nothing. I know two teachers who have left after the treatment they received by the public/ media

Most teachers don't go into the job for praise but it must be demoralising to keep getting run down

I am not sure people realise how invested some teachers are, buying food for kids breakfasts/ recources /working well into the night/ working in their holidays to get ready for the following terms/ worrying about their pupils especially those who are disadvantaged etc etc

One teacher I know was at school one day when a report came in of a man with a gun on the premises. They locked down the school for 4 and half hours until he was arrested. I asked her what she was feeling and what she would have done if the man had got into her classroom , she said I would have covered myself over as many kids as I can, because they are my kids.

Some teachers are worth praise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get that. So many kiddos are slowly being left behind as teachers are overwhelmed with the workload they have do with no support from schools. It's not right really

Do you think parents have a role in their child's successful education? "

It’s a two way street. You can always tell which kids have supportive parents, who read with their kids. It makes a huge difference to how well they do, especially during early years, where confidence can be built.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Yeah, I get that. So many kiddos are slowly being left behind as teachers are overwhelmed with the workload they have do with no support from schools. It's not right really

Do you think parents have a role in their child's successful education? "

Yes

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"[Removed by poster at 15/07/22 10:18:38]"

Twisting my words is not really helpful

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

I'm trained as a teacher but wouldn't teach now from the horror stories I hear.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here

"Yup, pay them more, fund them properly, reduce class sizes. Oh look, retention.

But no, batter them around because ultimately, those that do it and stay are in it for more than just the money.

And get rid of private education. Pathetic stuff.

Vote, accordingly. "

Yes...this

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

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Twisting my words is not really helpful

A person can still be taken seriously despite their bare breasts being on their avatar. This is a conversation about trainee teachers, I commented earlier with my direct experience on the matter.

That is all.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!"

I don't think that's doing it 'for the hoilidays' (I have several family members and ex partners who are teachers, I think it's more "oh god it's all too much how long till I can have a break, can I make it through the xx many days"

And I've had plenty of jobs where it's been a stress and I've been counting down till my next chunk of time off. I don't blame them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!"

My OH is a teacher and apart from two weeks holiday, she spends most of it preparing for the Autumn term. Its not a holiday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!

And I've had plenty of jobs where it's been a stress and I've been counting down till my next chunk of time off. I don't blame them. "

Totally agree with this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of claims of teachers working through Summer holidays preparing for next term. Really? A set syllabus which includes lessons that are repeated and repeated. What preparation does that need?

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Having spent 20 years working alongside teachers, I can confirm that the vast majority:

a) work extremely hard

b) work way more hours than some think, including over holidays (as evidenced by the emails I would receive all summer and late at night constantly

c) care - a lot

d) have to also be a social worker, police officer etc

e) deal with extraordinarily bad behaviour every day

f) have huge patience

Many of the people berating teachers wouldn’t last two days doing what they do.

It’s all a bit f****d because our society is far too polarised and unequal. Teachers deal with the fall out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of claims of teachers working through Summer holidays preparing for next term. Really? A set syllabus which includes lessons that are repeated and repeated. What preparation does that need?"

You're kidding right? Changing year groups, new topics, differentiation, EAL students, SEN students, changing guidelines from government directives on the syllabus, prep, introduction, content, plenaries, all in an accessible, easily digestible format that engages your students.

And thats not including marking, administration, parents, your own life too.

Fucking easy mate, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep. I did teacher training years ago.

Never finished it after a shitty placement in a shitty school where few of the staff gave a toss and most of the pupils would have sooner been anywhere but at school.

There's not a lot of motivation to enter the profession and hasn't been for decades.

Hah talk about a shitty school, I invigilated in a shit school with windows to the staff toilets so when you open the cubicle door you can see right into the corridor where the kids were

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

"A lot of claims of teachers working through Summer holidays preparing for next term. Really? A set syllabus which includes lessons that are repeated and repeated. What preparation does that need?"

So by this logic every child is the same every year.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"A lot of claims of teachers working through Summer holidays preparing for next term. Really? A set syllabus which includes lessons that are repeated and repeated. What preparation does that need?"

The "national curriculum" isn't set in stone, there are changes every year. The exam boards also produce a new specs for their exam syllabus each year. In addition to that, there are developments in best practice for teaching different topics, and resources improve and need integration into the scheme of work.

In addition to all that, teachers change and so do their classes. The teaching needs to adapt to meet the needs of the class and teacher alike.

It is very obvious that most people have ZERO understanding of anything that actually happens in education.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I don't understand is this: you can take a primary education degree 3 years and go straight into your first job, whilst if you do a degree in say maths then another year teacher training and get a job you get paid the same, a tally less as they have a year head start .

Only industry that does that"

The three year degree you reference might be viewed as a'technical apprenticeship', with as much as 1/3 of the time being spent in school teaching. The maths guy or gal is an academic- their course is nothing whatsoever to do with teaching. You're comparing different things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think teaching is bad, try early years education.

No six week holidays or term time work. Mainly Working from 7:30 until 6, level 3 qualified practitioner on just above min wage if they are lucky, a lot of Nurseries pay min wage.....I am a Supervisor with a degree so on a bit more per hour.

We do as much paperwork as a teacher, yet we are not given the same status. We follow the Early Years Foundation Stage, we have to observe children and plan activities around those observations. The sector expects us to be highly trained, some like me have degrees, we track development from babies to 3 year olds and do termly assessments on top of general day to day care, knowing who does what days, dietary and medical needs.

Now the government are wanting to ease the pressure on parents by altering the ratios of adults to children, so I could be on a 1 adult to 5 Toddlers, 2 staff with 10 Toddlers!

Our qualifications aren't good enough now either, to raise the standards the government are saying that some qualifications are not 'full and relevant' which means some of my staff who studied hard for their degree deemed full and relevant at the time is no longer....Morale is low across the sector and the industry has a staffing crisis as staff leave to work in shops for much better pay.

I love my job and work with some amazing practitioners who are at break point with it. Imagine telling a Teacher their degree is no longer valid? There would be an outcry in the sector

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits

Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

Yes but they're not staring at those lovely bare breasts lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are students less enforced to be academic nowadays? Those that are should be encouraged to be so. Those that have interests elsewhere should be allowed to be more manual with less rigidity in achieving academic results, shouldn't they? I'm out of my depth here because I have no clue about the curriculum or school system.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Only industry that does that"

It isn't. A degree in maths doesn't give you the pedagogy for teaching.

You can do a degree in just about anything and do a 1 year conversion degree in law. You can do a degree in psychology but you'll still need a year of practice and a qualification if you want to be a couples counsellor at Relate. That maths degree won't qualify you to be an accountant.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"All the teachers I know just seem to do it for the holidays ~ yes I know its not all 'holiday'. They literally do a countdown on fb until the next half term!

Most of us count down until our holidays. Not understanding the relevance and also I'm sorry but you're wrong if you genuinely believe teachers only do it for the holidays. "

The ones I know told me that!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits

Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

Yes but they're not staring at those lovely bare breasts lol"

I'm currently in bed with a colleague, so try again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of the national requirement for new trainee teacher posts

Only 2 pc trainee physics teachers places filled

1 pc IT trainee teachers places filled

7 pc maths trainee teachers places filled

For newly qualified teachers:

10 pc teachers leave post within their first year

20 pc leave within first 2 years

40 pc leave within first four years

Education starved of teachers….

Says Mary Bousted ( head national education union)

I'm not surprised, it's a terrible job, under paid and under respected.

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Not all teachers get long holidays either.....

Recruiting physics teachers is harder than finding a fucking unicorn. Recruitment is the bane of my life at the moment....

Lol sorry can't take you seriously when I'm staring at your gorgeous tits

Well, isn't it a good job that my staff of 20+ people are able to take me seriously, eh?

Yes but they're not staring at those lovely bare breasts lol

I'm currently in bed with a colleague, so try again

Lucky colleague

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By *eeman1Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

I know some odd jobs seem to pay more for doing something random but they seem hard to get into / find. I’m a tradesman and spent a few years in an apprenticeship, has responsibilities of making sure everything safe, courses to stay up to date etc and it’s only the last year or 2 that the rates of pay have increased. Otherwise for the last 20 or so years the rates have been awful.

A lot of people aren’t on great pay, certain jobs seem to be able to negotiate great pay rises but most can’t. When we get into these jobs we all know what the pay is like and an idea of what the job entails surely. Most jobs get worse as we get on due to everything becoming more about performance figures and cost cutting rather than just doing the job.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Having spent 20 years working alongside teachers, I can confirm that the vast majority:

a) work extremely hard

b) work way more hours than some think, including over holidays (as evidenced by the emails I would receive all summer and late at night constantly

c) care - a lot

d) have to also be a social worker, police officer etc

e) deal with extraordinarily bad behaviour every day

f) have huge patience

Many of the people berating teachers wouldn’t last two days doing what they do.

It’s all a bit f****d because our society is far too polarised and unequal. Teachers deal with the fall out.

I agree. I was not a teacher but spent 3 years at VP level in a college and came to recognise the effort put in. True the older more experienced teachers had an easier time but for most it was hard work which was not properly recognised.

The hardest part was frequently their "social services" aspect. I remember one teacher saying how she was concerened about a girl who was not doing as well as expected. I enquired why and she said that when the girl returned home at night she never knew if her mother would have been beaten up by her step father or her 12 year old sister had run away. The girl had to remember to lock her bedroom door or he would enter when she was in bed and interfere with her. In these circumstances, doing her Geography homework, was not her number one priority.

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over a year ago

I’m a qualified L3 Teaching Assistant with over 20 years volunteering experience in all classes and teaching experience too. Have high GCSE passes in both maths and english and a live DBS certificate.

I have applied for over 100 jobs with only one interview to provide a paper trail for a position that had been internally filled without being advertised. I’m on the books of several agencies who have not found me any work whatsoever.

I’m so frustrated and frankly disgusted

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think that without teachers very few of us would be able to contribute to this thread

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

The main pay scale goes from £25,714 to £36,961. You can't get above that upper amount as a regular classroom teacher, you have to take on additional responsibilities and go "through the threshold" to the upper pay scale. Which only a small subset do. UPS goes up to £41,604 and anyone on UPS is no longer "only" a teacher. They will have managerial/supervisory and other significant additional responsibilities.

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over a year ago

"When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

Sounds pretty close to many other jobs. For example in maintenance engineering at then moment a day job is up to mid 30's to get in the 40's you need to be working shifts or have a supervisory role and above. I can't think of anyone in any industry hitting 40k and up doing the basic role.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

Mr"

Due to budget constraints, a lot of schools try to control how many teachers are at higher pay levels too. Accusations of "managing out" more experienced staff or seeking to hire more NQTs at the bottom of the scale. Obviously this has an impact on quality and motivation of staff.....

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By *unky_Fab_FellaMan
over a year ago

Nr Boston

I managed 14 years teaching before a marriage failure and resulting complete mental breakdown.

I lost my job as a result.

I wouldnt go back into teaching. The stress isn't worth the paltry pay of long long long hours.

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over a year ago

"When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

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£26k to £37k is the main scale. Teachers can then access an 'upper' pay scale which goes in 3 (usually 2 years apart) hops to about £42k. That's the top of the tree for a teacher with no extra responsibilities in the school.

It's a 12 ish year progression if there are no hiccups. And (big and) you are permanent.

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over a year ago

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

I have to disagree with bits of this...

To cross the threshold to UPR you must show:

"that you are highly competent in all elements of the relevant standards; and

that your achievements and contribution to the school are substantial and sustained".

There is no requirement to do accept extra responsibilities. The 2 criterion add up to being an above average teacher in all respects; and sustaining that quality.

Of course you don't HAVE to apply; and you certainly don't have to go through all 3 levels.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

I have to disagree with bits of this...

To cross the threshold to UPR you must show:

"that you are highly competent in all elements of the relevant standards; and

that your achievements and contribution to the school are substantial and sustained".

There is no requirement to do accept extra responsibilities. The 2 criterion add up to being an above average teacher in all respects; and sustaining that quality.

Of course you don't HAVE to apply; and you certainly don't have to go through all 3 levels."

Most schools define a substantial contribution to the school to mean taking on extra responsibilities. Like mentoring NQTs or trainees, becoming a subject or KS lead etc.

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over a year ago

"When people say about the pay being rubbish, isn’t it around £35k / £40k for a teacher rising etc. Yeah it’s not amazing but it’s not that bad surely.

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

Again, that sounds pretty standard in many industries. Everywhere its either take on more responsibility or replace skilled workforce with semi skilled. Please understand, I'm not attacking teachers it's just that I don't think teaching (or any industry) is unique. If they'd a sector offering great pay for minimal work it soon becomes saturated and workers cheap and easy to replace and cost cutting starts.

People are people everywhere, the amount of work you'll get out of any one person averages about the same just about anywhere. I have two friends who both work in higher education- both at pretty senior levels and it always makes me laugh at their constant FB statuses about having to work long hours. In my career there have been many occasions where I've worked into the early hours of the morning, 20 hours plus, I've covered 14 straight 12 hour night shifts, 21 12 hour shifts in 22 days - the day off was a sleep day between a run of nights and a run of days. I regularly work most of the day at home then go out to cover a night shift for another customer and it's only now that I have my own business my wages will be anywhere near close to what (for example) an Assistant Dean will get.

I do sometimes think people get caught in an echo chamber of colleagues, bouncing the same complaints back and fore (and it always complaints) and actually believe that they are somehow uniquely hard done by.

If you think recruiting a teacher is hard, try finding a good quality craft engineer

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I've not complained about salaries, to be clear. Just stated facts about them.

My motivation for working in education is not financial. My salary, whilst not amazing, is sufficient and I enjoy my job.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact.

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over a year ago

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact. "

I wonder if this had similar roots to the lack of craft and trade people with less and less kids seeming a career in anything remotely STEM related?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact.

I wonder if this had similar roots to the lack of craft and trade people with less and less kids seeming a career in anything remotely STEM related? "

Possibly, but Physics degree courses at Russell Group unis are often over subscribed so there's no shortage of graduates. There's a shortage of graduates who have pursued secondary/ FE teaching as a career....

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over a year ago

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact.

I wonder if this had similar roots to the lack of craft and trade people with less and less kids seeming a career in anything remotely STEM related?

Where do they go?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact.

I wonder if this had similar roots to the lack of craft and trade people with less and less kids seeming a career in anything remotely STEM related?

Where do they go? "

Investment banking, The City, aerospace industries, other types of engineering. Etc.

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By *unky_Fab_FellaMan
over a year ago

Nr Boston

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact. "

Or any STEM teachers for that matter

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

They should be rewarded, valued and respected better and not only just my the government. Over the years the respect and support for the profession has diminished despite the challenging conditions they often have to work in. Parents allow their kids to behave appalingly sometimes and if any school or teacher ever challenges that, they come on them like a ton of bricks. How would kids respect their teachers when parents behave that way? And then you get people coming up with all the rubbish of getting so many holidays etc, never mentioning all the preparation, marking, feedback etc etc etc that they have to do. Focus on how many of them get abused and attacked every year. I wouldn't want that job even if they paid me double.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Only industry that does that"

You can say that again...

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

The same can be said for GPS, nurses, midwives, etc. there’s been shortages for decades. The shortage of teachers also limits what subjects kids are offered at school so there is a knock on effect.

It’s not just about the salary, staff shortages put pressure on the existing teachers to cover classes. Some kids are still leaving with no qualifications because it's all geared up for academic achievers.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"And it IS nigh on impossible to recruit physics and further maths teachers. That is also a fact.

Or any STEM teachers for that matter "

Biology and Chemistry are easier. Maths is variable - depends on whether you want a genuine subject specialist or someone who did a conversion course or something. I need maths teachers who can also teach further maths, so they're rare as hen's teeth.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I wonder if it's full of those who could not break into their chosen career and use teaching as a fallback. It pretty much sounds as if schools have to take just about anyone to plug a gap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do they go? "

In my daughter's case (Liverpool, Physics), into IT Security.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"I think that without teachers very few of us would be able to contribute to this thread "

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Most teachers do a great job...they are victims of the ridiculous envoy the government dictate they work in...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Most teachers do a great job...they are victims of the ridiculous envoy the government dictate they work in..."

I'm not sure where you get that Information, is it based on any facts or just an epithet? Teaching our kids is a privelage. Teachers have the potential opportunity to change peoples lives for the better and in too many cases for the worse. We accept far too much mediocrity. Not saying its easy. But if we want the best for our kids we need to have the best teachers, who are motivated and well trained, well supported, in an environment and culture that encourages children to love learning wherever they may be. Do we assess teachers frequently? What do we do with them when we find they are failing or struggling or succeeding or excelling? Teachers are just one part of many parts in developing our youth and all parts need to be effective not just the teachers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a newly qualified teacher, I find a few of the posts a tad rude if I'm honest.

I became a teacher to be my children's safe place. Not just physically but emotionally too. I have worked with children with visual impairments, hearing impairments, speech and language needs. A child who is non verbal, and another that lost their dad to covid earlier this year at the age of 5.

I'm not a teacher for the holidays,I'm a teacher to support and care for these children and any other child that walks through my classroom door. It can be challenging being the positive role model all the time but I wouldn't swap my job for the world because every new word or skill learnt, or improvement in confidence makes it all worthwhile

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By *ncemoreroundthesunCouple
over a year ago

on the move

We have friends who are teachers, some have quit.

Poor pay, long hours, awful kids and worse parents, a government that doesn't give a shit... Not the recipe for success.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Unfortunately as already demonstrated by responses by some, teachers are expected to perform miracles with very little support. Yes they do change lives and most do their best for very challenging kids, from some of the most difficult backgrounds and family circumstances. Teachers are not just teaching these days, they are spending most of their time being social workers and counsellors. Schools are inspected constantly by successive goverments obsessed with paperwork and league tables. Individual teachers are constany being observed undertaking further actions and training to improve if found needing. The reason teachers leave is often not the pay but the impossible conditions they work under, the undisciplined and very challenging and often abusive kids and parents, the lack of family dicipline and support from parents and the general lack of respect for the incredibly difficult job they do from a large part of society and mostly from people who should take a look in the mirror of how they bring up their children. Yes, like any job or profession there will be some unsuitable, incapable individuals and those who lack that special charisma to motivate and encourage children to succeed. However, we should all look a bit closer at home, the way kids are often brought up as well as the social economic conditions that affect their upbringing. I have a lot of respect for what teachers do and could never do that job myself as I noted previously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My opinions go as far as saying teachers have a really hard time. I pat everyone of them on the back (the good ones).

*keeping it short.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in a school and in the last few years I've been spat at, kicked, punched, broken up fights, seen classes locked down due to a pupil throwing furniture , books and resources.

Funding is incredibly low, expectancies increasingly high.

On top of the stress of lockdown we now have more children joining who aren't fully toilet trained, socially integrated or can use cutlery. The parents who have exasperated the situation will be the first to kick off when junior isn't achieving the levels that he should be attaining. We are spending our time helping them learn basics missed from not being able to go to toddler groups / nurseries or heaven forbid from parents.

Don't get me wrong it's a handful of parents and children, the bulk work with us to help their children be as successful as they can be. It just makes the situation hard of staff and children.

We do all this for a few pennies above minimum wage

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Hardly any teachers are on anything like £35-40k.

I have to disagree with bits of this...

To cross the threshold to UPR you must show:

"that you are highly competent in all elements of the relevant standards; and

that your achievements and contribution to the school are substantial and sustained".

There is no requirement to do accept extra responsibilities. The 2 criterion add up to being an above average teacher in all respects; and sustaining that quality.

Of course you don't HAVE to apply; and you certainly don't have to go through all 3 levels.

Most schools define a substantial contribution to the school to mean taking on extra responsibilities. Like mentoring NQTs or trainees, becoming a subject or KS lead etc."

Nonsense. Most people find something to do to go through to UPS. Definitely not a small subset.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a newly qualified teacher, I find a few of the posts a tad rude if I'm honest.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I have only good things to say about my kids teachers so far, both in Primary and Comprehensive.

If you have enthusiasm to teach then that is infectious. A teacher who makes their lessons fun, relatable and who them-self is approachable can make all the difference.

It’s a tricky job with shed loads of paperwork, but a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.

And I say this as a grateful parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like every job, you get a few that tarnish the professional name. However over all majority want the best , but like every public job you are restrained from doing the job you chose fully due to bureaucracy and lots of (unnecessary) paperwork. However, more SEN children are coming into mainstream with inadequate support due to essentially government funding. I can't imagine many a teacher saying they want to see a child suffer and fail, however I do agree with DOE expecting teachers to revalidate themselves as they are a professional body. This would keep teachers professional accountable and may draw out the ones that give the profession a bad name. *All views are my own*

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Recruiting is a problem for many organisations as the airline crisis shows. How many baggage handlers became teachers and won't go back..

It's like role reversal. Baggage handlers once worked flat out in the summer and now they have two months off every summer.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

It's exactly these comments about two mints in the summer and the like that it's so annoying. Nobody talks about the late nights planning, marking, thinking how to meet the individual needs of the kids. Being a teacher it's not a 9 to 5 job like many of you think. So let's think before we sprout tabloid sensationalist comments left right and centre. And I am out as these threads always end up with misinformation galore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read the toxic "Jobs that are over paid" thread, it's clear to see that some folk are incredibly resentful of others positions without much inside knowledge.

If you think someone else has it is incredibly easy, then why aren't you applying to do the job?

They work incredibly hard with constant performance monitoring in difficult environments in my view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I tried teacher training many years ago and failed at it. I have several teacher friends and admire their dedication. It's a tough job. The Conservatives (Gove in particular) have treated teachers very badly and the shortages reflect that. Idiocy!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"As a newly qualified teacher, I find a few of the posts a tad rude if I'm honest.

What I will say is that teachers do look forward to the holidays, because it's so draining and mentally fatiguing that you need that holiday and time away from the classroom to recharge.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It's exactly these comments about two mints in the summer and the like that it's so annoying. Nobody talks about the late nights planning, marking, thinking how to meet the individual needs of the kids. Being a teacher it's not a 9 to 5 job like many of you think. So let's think before we sprout tabloid sensationalist comments left right and centre. And I am out as these threads always end up with misinformation galore.

Not all teachers work in a sector where there ARE longer holidays either. I get 30 days holiday per annum, plus 8 BHs. That's it. I'm not allowed to take more than two consecutive working weeks unless it's an exceptional circumstance. I don't do my job for long holidays or the level of pay. I do it because I enjoy it and enjoy making a difference. Some people don't understand intrinsic motivation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nonsense. Most people find something to do to go through to UPS. Definitely not a small subset. "

Blunter than my attempt, but concise...

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"the general impression that teachers are responsible for bringing up children"

This is a major problem. And teachers cannot discipline anyone. I do not mean hitting them or other horrible things.

Then when kiddywinks does get told off some parents freak out at the teachers

Smaller class sizes is not necessarily the the solution either. Whether there are 20 or 50 children, if there is no respect for the teacher not much can be learned by anyone.

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over a year ago

" Snipped... We accept far too much mediocrity. Not saying its easy. But if we want the best for our kids we need to have the best teachers, who are motivated and well trained, well supported, in an environment and culture that encourages children to love learning wherever they may be."

First sentence, NO. The rest yes,. Back to mediocrity... let's talk about the shockingly low standards of parenting reflected in a significant number of children in secondary education today. Some of the behaviours are shocking, and the parents do nothing to stop it. Poor behaviour is the single issue stopping the development of the really high standards you espouse in the second part of your quote.

The response from those who have no idea how it is in schools, "If they can't control a few rowdy kids, they're in the wrong job." There's much more to it than that- not least political interference.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I totally agree and appalled with what some people come out. Well done re your approach. I am sure the majority of teachers do the job as they want to make a difference despite the huge challenges the face daily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there any teachers who read this post teaching in a Public School/Independent school with experience of having taught in the state sector or vice versa? If so, is there a vast difference between teaching in the state sector compared to the private?

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"the general impression that teachers are responsible for bringing up children

This is a major problem. And teachers cannot discipline anyone. I do not mean hitting them or other horrible things.

Then when kiddywinks does get told off some parents freak out at the teachers

Smaller class sizes is not necessarily the the solution either. Whether there are 20 or 50 children, if there is no respect for the teacher not much can be learned by anyone."

Vis a vis class sizes. Some time ago there was a report that considered class size against academic success. It found no link between class size and success. In fact the highest acheiving school had the biggest class sizes. Why? Because people wanted to send their kids to the best school.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Are there any teachers who read this post teaching in a Public School/Independent school with experience of having taught in the state sector or vice versa? If so, is there a vast difference between teaching in the state sector compared to the private?"

Yup. I started out in state but have been in a private college for a while now. It's hard to compare the two because an 11-16 comp, teaching mainly general science isn't the same as teaching specialised biology to post-16 on a niche programme.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"the general impression that teachers are responsible for bringing up children

This is a major problem. And teachers cannot discipline anyone. I do not mean hitting them or other horrible things.

Then when kiddywinks does get told off some parents freak out at the teachers

Smaller class sizes is not necessarily the the solution either. Whether there are 20 or 50 children, if there is no respect for the teacher not much can be learned by anyone.

Did they explore what made it the "best" school and arrive at any conclusions? And was there clarity of what made parents think it the "best" school?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many.."

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many.."

That "might" have been true once, but when you need to pass your degree, then do some teacher training for an additional year either as a student or on a training salary. Then you do another year as a Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT), a probationary year of teaching on a lesser salary, which you can fail and be barred from teaching.

It's hardly a quick and easy way into a career.

Cal

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You need a 2:2 degree..

Enough said

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So you set your heart on a career. Don't get the degree grade you need.. options limited..

Go into teaching..

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"So you set your heart on a career. Don't get the degree grade you need.. options limited..

Go into teaching.. "

Which jobs have a minimum grade from your degree?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"You need a 2:2 degree..

Enough said "

For what?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"So you set your heart on a career. Don't get the degree grade you need.. options limited..

Go into teaching.. "

How do you deduce that?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"So you set your heart on a career. Don't get the degree grade you need.. options limited..

Go into teaching.. "

Also... statistics tell us that over 70% of teachers achieved a 2.1 or better and about 60% of teachers selected teaching as their first choice career.

My personal experience is that most teachers WANT to be teachers, quite a lot of them have a parent who was a teacher.

I'm not quite sure WHY you hate teachers so much, but I think your hatred has blinded you to the facts.

Cal

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers "

I know they are graded. I have one of my own.

Perhaps they can go into teaching, but that doesn't mean they do.

Do you have evidence people with "low" grades end up in teaching?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers "

Did you want to be a teacher Tom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers "

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

The contempt some posters are showing for the teaching profession clearly demonstrates one thing.

They don't have a fucking clue what the job entails.

Winston

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree "

It's like getting a C grade

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over a year ago

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade"

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade"

I wasn't disagreeing with you xx

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"The contempt some posters are showing for the teaching profession clearly demonstrates one thing.

They don't have a fucking clue what the job entails.

Winston "

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

I know they are graded. I have one of my own.

Perhaps they can go into teaching, but that doesn't mean they do.

Do you have evidence people with "low" grades end up in teaching?"

I would bother trying to reason with some people to be honest. Pure and utter nonsense and not for the first time. Just constant diatribe.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade"

It's really not..

We need the best teachers...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade"

It really is not...

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

I know they are graded. I have one of my own.

Perhaps they can go into teaching, but that doesn't mean they do.

Do you have evidence people with "low" grades end up in teaching?

I would bother trying to reason with some people to be honest. Pure and utter nonsense and not for the first time. Just constant diatribe. "

Sorry, I meant wouldn't of course

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By *ccidentprone2023Man
over a year ago

middlesbrough

Teach people how to reply lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade

It's really not..

We need the best teachers..."

I did not want to get 'sciency' but here it comes.

The education model in the UK is outdated and not fit for purpose, teachers are expected to teach a 'one size fits all' curriculum to children who are not developmentally ready for academic learning....A child's brain is not receptive to academic learning until the child is at least seven....there are foundations that need to be mastered first, muscle strength in wrists and fingers, social skills, confidence, risky play, problem solving all skills which are relevant to future

More SEN children being pushed into a mainstream system because there is not the facilities or specialist schools to receive them. They are set up to fail and that is not the teachers fault, yet the teacher gets blamed for it. You know teachers should teach right? They are doing so much more than the pedagogy they deliver

I can't comment on secondary school but if these children are failing in the foundation years then they will not thrive later on....

(Maslows hierarchy)

Our government don't give a crap either, despite children having more maladaptive behaviour and ACES (adverse childhood experiences) the education model remains draconian. Children have changed, society is changing...

The government paradigm of education is to prepare children to be successful, so they grow up, get jobs and pay tax....

Teachers can only work with what they have and how demoralising of you to trash that 2:2 degree that they have busted a gut for.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade

It's really not..

We need the best teachers...

I did not want to get 'sciency' but here it comes.

I can't comment on secondary school but if these children are failing in the foundation years then they will not thrive later on....

(Maslows hierarchy)

The government paradigm of education is to prepare children to be successful, so they grow up, get jobs and pay tax....

Teachers can only work with what they have and how demoralising of you to trash that 2:2 degree that they have busted a gut for.

Busted a gut or on the lash when they should be studying ?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Degrees are graded.. those with poor passes can become teachers

2:2 is hardly a poor pass, it's still an honours degree

It's like getting a C grade

I know, but it's still an acceptable grade

It really is not..."

Yes it is. A 2.2 is a good degree.

What degree do you have Tom? Just out of interest.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

My neighbour is a teacher , and tells me the work does y end when she leaves the school gates behind . She has lesson planning to do , school work to Mark . Plus other school related work to which she gets no extra pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quote someone...

"I'm not quite sure WHY you hate teachers so much, but I think your hatred has blinded you to the facts."

I do:

He is an internet, 'type'.

They are ‘self-made’. They owe their position/perceived success to no-one else.

They are certain that anyone in the public sector cannot be self-made: they are lazy ****ers with gold-plated pensions which they themselves pay for.

They believe themselves clever and well read despite school, not because of it.

Ergo, they regard all teachers as * ***ers who failed them.

They funnily enough feel their kids’ teachers are solid and hard working. They saw to this by being clever and 'marking their cards'.

They are virtually certain that all benefit recipients are chiselers and layabouts.

They are absolutely certain that anyone they like who is on benefits is a deserving case.

They have a ready back catalogue of ‘true’ (unsupported) stories to demonstrate that they are always correct on any subject.

There are dog whistle topics that never fail to reel them in.

Sound like anyone on this thread?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't"

Tom apologises for his insensitive posts in this thread. Many teachers worked hard to get where they are today and do it out of passion and guts. They worked hard to get their grades and work under immense pressure and restrictions with flack from inside and outside the classroom. Any teachers on here should be proud and it was not fair to criticise them in a lounge where they possibly come to relax and have fun. Tom has fallen on his sword. Well done teachers.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Tom?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Tom?"

He is in the cellar with the others ..

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Tom?

He is in the cellar with the others ..

Has anyone ever seen Tom and Macy Gray in the same room?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Sadly the teaching world is full of failers who resort to teaching rather than want to teach.. not all but the many..

I have re written this and deleted it four times as the word bullshit kept creeping into my post.

That is a really sad statement Tom, I really don't know why teachers are villified so much I really don't

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Tom?

He is in the cellar with the others ..

Has anyone ever seen Tom and Macy Gray in the same room? "

Maybe she is down in the cellar too.

And how many others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teaching one of those professions that you either get very good, dedicated teacher or the ones that are in the job because it secure, decent wages with a decent pension and they put in the minimum effort.

Either way, its not a job I envy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love my job. Been a Teacher for 16 years, over 10 in SEN.

I am no hero, not after power and certainly don’t get everything right.

But guys, thank goodness we are all different! I worked in a shop for 3 years, hated it.

Let’s not do what the media do which is discuss the extreme… I promise if any of your kids were in my class.. I would move heaven and earth to help them. And then I go home to my own 2.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I want to get into the industry again. I’m a qualified Level 3 teaching assistant who simply cannot get an interview, never mind a job. I have a valid DBS and high grade GCSE in maths and english and also 20+ years volunteering experience in all year groups.

I have applied for over 150 positions without success. I last worked in a Y6 class on March 20th 2020 and cannot even get a volunteering position.

I’m so frustrated and feel I wasted my time qualifying. Agencies are a total waste or time, none have found me any work whatsoever.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"I want to get into the industry again. I’m a qualified Level 3 teaching assistant who simply cannot get an interview, never mind a job. I have a valid DBS and high grade GCSE in maths and english and also 20+ years volunteering experience in all year groups.

I have applied for over 150 positions without success. I last worked in a Y6 class on March 20th 2020 and cannot even get a volunteering position.

I’m so frustrated and feel I wasted my time qualifying. Agencies are a total waste or time, none have found me any work whatsoever."

Unfortunately, schools are reducing the number of TA's in a bid to cut costs.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have applied for over 150 positions without success. I last worked in a Y6 class on March 20th 2020 and cannot even get a volunteering position.

I’m so frustrated and feel I wasted my time qualifying. Agencies are a total waste or time, none have found me any work whatsoever."

If you can take the pay uncertainty, register with a couple of agencies in your area. They take a nasty cut, but if a school likes you, they'll often cut out the middle man and offer you something.

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By *unkmiMan
over a year ago

Shropshire

"I'm trained as a teacher but wouldn't teach now from the horror stories I hear. "

Left after 5 years due to awful behaviour

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By *unkmiMan
over a year ago

Shropshire

"Put the good teachers in front of kids as much as possible and kids will learn.

Take rubbish teachers away from frontline teaching and get them to do all the shiity admin that bogs great teachers down. "
ha ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Says Mary Bousted"

It's what she goes to school for.

Even though it is a real bore.

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