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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job "It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work. Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday. Two sides who seem miles apart in their position. Winston | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston "My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston
My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses "Loyal customers... That makes me laugh. I'm only loyal because my local operator is the only one who runs trains for my journey.  .
When we reach the end of the line the guard thanks us for choosing them. Daft twat, we've got bugger all choice.
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job "Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise? | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston
My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses "There's a law or regulation that stops them from doing that. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?"They have fair pay already. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. " Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. " Indeed. Something has got to give, and the government/media don't want it to happen. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. " Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already. "Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. " They may have turned over 1.6billion but they definitely didn’t make that much profit. Most companies are making around a 1%-3% profit, and that’s with government subsidies included | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston
My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses "The only way this would work is if the platform staff just opened the barriers and let anyone on; the train manager (or whatever the title is) didnt undertake the ticket check | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation."So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston
My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses
The only way this would work is if the platform staff just opened the barriers and let anyone on; the train manager (or whatever the title is) didnt undertake the ticket check"They don't undertake a ticket check anyway. In almost all stations you could very easily not buy a ticket if you didn't want to. We travel by train regularly and in the last 3 years our tickets have been checked maybe 4 times. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are. "And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. " I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. " It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered."The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police." If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country. "Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff. Nurses threaten to strike quite often. Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be. Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights. I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise."The train drivers are striking as it's their Union that Put them to the vote the vast majority of ticket staff, Station staff are not part of a Union. And I'm sorry but I don't understand how anyone can think it's OK for them to bring the country to a standstill and stop other people from getting paid! | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. " So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise."And as I said above they already get fair pay they just want more but don't we all. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live?" They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about!" Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,," Exactly. | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly." Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up?" Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. " I think it is you that doesn’t know what you are talking about. RMT has 40,000 members. Is there 40k train drivers in the UK? Yes, working rights come before your right to board a train when there is other ways to travel. I’m truly sorry that you didn’t get to see a dying relative and attend a funeral but I would never try to the right to strike from any workforce. | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly. Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. " Well clearly they are NOT considered to be essential, otherwise they wouldn't have the right. Your opinion is not universal. You are not the judge of what is essential. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise."My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail. The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation. Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. I think it is you that doesn’t know what you are talking about. RMT has 40,000 members. Is there 40k train drivers in the UK? Yes, working rights come before your right to board a train when there is other ways to travel. I’m truly sorry that you didn’t get to see a dying relative and attend a funeral but I would never try to the right to strike from any workforce." I'm sorry but you're wrong! . These people already get decent pay and decent working conditions. Funny how nobody is jumping up-and-down saying supermarket workers who don't have as good conditions or as good pay should strike Or cleaners. I'm guessing you don't rely on the public transport system and if you did you would not be speaking in the way that you are. And no somebody else's right to earn a living does not trump another person's right to also earn a living. Would have sympathy if they didn't have fair pay and conditions already but they do and they know they can get away with it because they hold the country to ransom. No other industry strikes as regularly as train drivers. And no you don't know what you're talking about because A good percentage of those that voted do not even work on the railways. So yes I stand by what I said and you need to do a bit of research. | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly. Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. Well clearly they are NOT considered to be essential, otherwise they wouldn't have the right. Your opinion is not universal. You are not the judge of what is essential." Well they were on be essential workecolist during the pandemic and one of the main reasons they think they deserve a pay rise is because they worked all through covid. They can't have it both ways. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot."The drivers are included in “all railway workers” but it isn’t them pushing for it. That’s what the Tory’s are pushing to make them out to be the villains here. The same way they tried to demonise Mick Lynch but he just made them all look ridiculous. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot.
The drivers are included in “all railway workers” but it isn’t them pushing for it. That’s what the Tory’s are pushing to make them out to be the villains here.
The same way they tried to demonise Mick Lynch but he just made them all look ridiculous."Again you are wrong and the vast majority of those who voted in favour of the strike are train drivers! You are trying to push a narrative that isn't true. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. I think it is you that doesn’t know what you are talking about. RMT has 40,000 members. Is there 40k train drivers in the UK? Yes, working rights come before your right to board a train when there is other ways to travel. I’m truly sorry that you didn’t get to see a dying relative and attend a funeral but I would never try to the right to strike from any workforce. I'm sorry but you're wrong! . These people already get decent pay and decent working conditions. Funny how nobody is jumping up-and-down saying supermarket workers who don't have as good conditions or as good pay should strike Or cleaners. I'm guessing you don't rely on the public transport system and if you did you would not be speaking in the way that you are. And no somebody else's right to earn a living does not trump another person's right to also earn a living. Would have sympathy if they didn't have fair pay and conditions already but they do and they know they can get away with it because they hold the country to ransom. No other industry strikes as regularly as train drivers. And no you don't know what you're talking about because A good percentage of those that voted do not even work on the railways. So yes I stand by what I said and you need to do a bit of research. " For the same reason nobody is fighting for me to get a pay rise. We have useless unions. If you want to take the right to strike away what will you want taken next? Breaks? Working hours? Annual leave? Maternity leave? Sick pay? This is all I will say on the matter because neither of us are going to agree. Have a lovely evening. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. I think it is you that doesn’t know what you are talking about. RMT has 40,000 members. Is there 40k train drivers in the UK? Yes, working rights come before your right to board a train when there is other ways to travel. I’m truly sorry that you didn’t get to see a dying relative and attend a funeral but I would never try to the right to strike from any workforce. I'm sorry but you're wrong! . These people already get decent pay and decent working conditions. Funny how nobody is jumping up-and-down saying supermarket workers who don't have as good conditions or as good pay should strike Or cleaners. I'm guessing you don't rely on the public transport system and if you did you would not be speaking in the way that you are. And no somebody else's right to earn a living does not trump another person's right to also earn a living. Would have sympathy if they didn't have fair pay and conditions already but they do and they know they can get away with it because they hold the country to ransom. No other industry strikes as regularly as train drivers. And no you don't know what you're talking about because A good percentage of those that voted do not even work on the railways. So yes I stand by what I said and you need to do a bit of research. For the same reason nobody is fighting for me to get a pay rise. We have useless unions. If you want to take the right to strike away what will you want taken next? Breaks? Working hours? Annual leave? Maternity leave? Sick pay? This is all I will say on the matter because neither of us are going to agree. Have a lovely evening." You are not understanding what is being said to you. If these people had poor pay or working conditions I would absolutely support a strike but that is not the case they are just pushing for more out of greed. The same goes if any of the things you mentioned above were under threat to them but they are not. | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly. Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. Well clearly they are NOT considered to be essential, otherwise they wouldn't have the right. Your opinion is not universal. You are not the judge of what is essential. Well they were on be essential workecolist during the pandemic and one of the main reasons they think they deserve a pay rise is because they worked all through covid. They can't have it both ways. " That was an extenuating circumstances. Shop workers were classed as the same. The unions members are "making a fuss". Just the same as any unions members have the right. Perhaps if more people bothered to join unions, then we might see a bit more of a decent pay rise across society. Anyone can join one. | |||
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly. Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. Well clearly they are NOT considered to be essential, otherwise they wouldn't have the right. Your opinion is not universal. You are not the judge of what is essential. Well they were on be essential workecolist during the pandemic and one of the main reasons they think they deserve a pay rise is because they worked all through covid. They can't have it both ways. That was an extenuating circumstances. Shop workers were classed as the same. The unions members are "making a fuss". Just the same as any unions members have the right. Perhaps if more people bothered to join unions, then we might see a bit more of a decent pay rise across society. Anyone can join one." Or maybe we will go back to the rough old times when everyone was on strike and the most vulnerable in society were suffering. We have decent pay and conditions within the transport sector so these strikes are not needed. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot.
The drivers are included in “all railway workers” but it isn’t them pushing for it. That’s what the Tory’s are pushing to make them out to be the villains here.
The same way they tried to demonise Mick Lynch but he just made them all look ridiculous.
Again you are wrong and the vast majority of those who voted in favour of the strike are train drivers! You are trying to push a narrative that isn't true. "I may be wrong here, but I feel all these strikes and problems in scotland at least have only been since the rail system was nationalised here. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot.
The drivers are included in “all railway workers” but it isn’t them pushing for it. That’s what the Tory’s are pushing to make them out to be the villains here.
The same way they tried to demonise Mick Lynch but he just made them all look ridiculous.
Again you are wrong and the vast majority of those who voted in favour of the strike are train drivers! You are trying to push a narrative that isn't true. "I feel this also. I get the impression will only accept the agenda of the SNP. The sex scandal party of scotland. SNP.. Sexual activity Not Punished... | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. " That's lies. The government are refusing to get involved. Doesn't stop that cunt Grant Schapps lobbing grenades in like a little pussy. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. That's lies. The government are refusing to get involved. Doesn't stop that cunt Grant Schapps lobbing grenades in like a little pussy." The government are refusing to get involved?? Especially in scoland where rail is now nationalised.. is this not a MASSIVE PROBLEM?? | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. That's lies. The government are refusing to get involved. Doesn't stop that cunt Grant Schapps lobbing grenades in like a little pussy." Just because you don't agree with what I've just said doesn't make it a lie! They still did not try and engage in any talks until after they had balloted their members on strike action that is not a lie! | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. That's lies. The government are refusing to get involved. Doesn't stop that cunt Grant Schapps lobbing grenades in like a little pussy. Just because you don't agree with what I've just said doesn't make it a lie! They still did not try and engage in any talks until after they had balloted their members on strike action that is not a lie!" Nice to see you skipping my question. Are you a member of the SNP? Lolx | |||
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"They still did not try and engage in any talks until after they had balloted their members on strike action…" The industry is very heavily fragmented. There’s 27 different passenger operating companies, and several freight ones that run the trains and pay the driers/guards/station staff etc, plus Network Rail that manage the track and infrastructure, and employ the signallers and maintenance staff; which is also broken down into regions. All these areas, under privatisation, have drifted apart in terms of pay and conditions, and are all negotiating separately. This means that an “offer” publicised in the media may only have been made to a relatively small number of people, certainly not everyone. I have not been made any offer whatsoever. The grade and area I am employed in has seen negotiations deferred since 2019 and, despite eighteen months of talks, a blanket refusal to review pay that the management blame on “their hands being tied by the treasury”. The decision to ballot for strike action was taken after negotiations stalled in March. The company, and the government, have had more than three months to resume negotiations, but have refused. Striking is not anything anyone takes lightly. I will be losing pay each day of the dispute. I’m not striking for an above inflation raise, I’m striking for anything above the 0% I have received for the last three years, to help offset the fact that inflation has effectively given me a 13% pay cut over that same period. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?"Average wage for a train driver £40-£50k for that highly skilled job........really. 
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"weather you agree or disagree.. never take the right from working men and women to strike,, Exactly. Except we do take that right away from certain people because they are considered essential so are public transport workers. Well clearly they are NOT considered to be essential, otherwise they wouldn't have the right. Your opinion is not universal. You are not the judge of what is essential. Well they were on be essential workecolist during the pandemic and one of the main reasons they think they deserve a pay rise is because they worked all through covid. They can't have it both ways. That was an extenuating circumstances. Shop workers were classed as the same. The unions members are "making a fuss". Just the same as any unions members have the right. Perhaps if more people bothered to join unions, then we might see a bit more of a decent pay rise across society. Anyone can join one." It worked for the bus and bin operatives strikes though, they got their pay rises they wanted, so should the rail. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. I'm pretty sure given how long talks have been going on this action is a last resort. The staff are losing wages, they wouldn't have voted for action if they weren't at a point they felt it was the only option. It's not a last resort because they voted for strike action before they even asked for talks with the government. "  | |||
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"... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
It's frustrating. Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work.
Lose a day's pay or lose a day's holiday.
Two sides who seem miles apart in their position.
Winston
My son reckons they should run but not charge the passengers lol to spite the companies who won't give them a pay rise that way they are not effecting their loyal customers just their bosses
There's a law or regulation that stops them from doing that. "Not forgetting many who use the trains regularly would have bought a season/annual ticket anyway so it wouldn't save anyone anything. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. " The cost of living is going to affect everyone. Inflation is out of control. Giving people more money, which they will spend, will not help inflation. Holding the country to ransom over the busy travel dates, is not going to appeal to the majority. | |||
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Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation."I understand that but it's also effecting others who rely on public transport is all im trying to say and they are fighting for pay rise because of inflation... so are they going to accept a decrease in wage when war is over and inflation is back under control I bet not  | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. The cost of living is going to affect everyone. Inflation is out of control. Giving people more money, which they will spend, will not help inflation. Holding the country to ransom over the busy travel dates, is not going to appeal to the majority. " Err don't believe the hype corporate profiteering has more to do with inflation than peoples wages. Big organisations profit margins have gone up 73% more now then 2019. It's time people at the top took a bit less so people at the bottom can get a little bit more to survive. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
Average wage for a train driver £40-£50k for that highly skilled job........really.
They want to spend less time in the casinos."In my line of work people are paid £19k-£1m per annum. Should nobody get a pay rise because some earn a lot more? | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
I understand that but it's also effecting others who rely on public transport is all im trying to say and they are fighting for pay rise because of inflation... so are they going to accept a decrease in wage when war is over and inflation is back under control I bet not "So people should just go without for now? This mentality is why big companies and governments take the piss out of all of us. | |||
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"I can't believe the train drivers are going on strike!! They earn really good money. Here in Wales the basic is over 40k in London more like 60k. There rejected a 4 % pay rise. I'll tell you what let's give everyone a 9% pay rise. Then everything will increase in price to pay for it and noone will be any better off. It's pure greed and selfishness I can't believe anyone could support this action" It isn’t just train drivers. Why does everyone want to ignore this fact? | |||
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"I can't believe the train drivers are going on strike!! They earn really good money. Here in Wales the basic is over 40k in London more like 60k. There rejected a 4 % pay rise. I'll tell you what let's give everyone a 9% pay rise. Then everything will increase in price to pay for it and noone will be any better off. It's pure greed and selfishness I can't believe anyone could support this action" Why are people focusing in on train drivers, they are a small percentage of the RMT the vast majority aren't getting no where near that much. | |||
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"It may come as a shock but the workforce needs trimming. The ticket office and platform staff stand around chatting, as do large numbers of workers on the tracks. My local ticket office staff just stare at the barrier jumpers and don't even bother to contact British Transport police. If there is ever a member of staff at our local tube station they are sat in the office, We use the train at least 4 times a month and rarely see the guard even though we know he or she is on the train. It's the people that don't rely on public transport to go about their lives that seem to think this is OK. So you believe your right to travel from A to B trumps someone else’s right to be be paid enough to live? They do get paid enough to live you clearly do not know what you are talking about! Drivers do but it isn’t the drivers calling for strikes. It’s all railway staff. Even if they do get paid enough why should their quality of life suffer whilst bosses are loving it up? Please do a bit of research because you don't know what you're talking about it is the train driver's Union that has called for the strike! Why should I not be able to attend a funeral, Or visit a dying relative simply because these people think their rights are above mine? And yes these 2 things have happened because of strike action this year. " You think your rights are above theirs though clearly. You want to get somewhere so they must work. Strikes are disruptive. That's the whole point. They give people notice so that they can plan alternative travel. Royal mail are planning to work to rule and strike in the coming weeks as well. I'm surprised the POA haven't instructed their members to strike given the state of the prison service and the fact that they are still waiting for a decision on their pay offer. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
I understand that but it's also effecting others who rely on public transport is all im trying to say and they are fighting for pay rise because of inflation... so are they going to accept a decrease in wage when war is over and inflation is back under control I bet not
So people should just go without for now?
This mentality is why big companies and governments take the piss out of all of us."No one should go without ... I bet they earn a hell of a lot more than I do and I'm budgeting and cutting costs government is giving handouts granted its not enough for people on limited income it just seems that strikes have seemed to started off a trend everyone who public actually rely on Like transport and postal etc seem to be going on strike I can just see it all getting out of control then we are fked lol | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
I understand that but it's also effecting others who rely on public transport is all im trying to say and they are fighting for pay rise because of inflation... so are they going to accept a decrease in wage when war is over and inflation is back under control I bet not
So people should just go without for now?
This mentality is why big companies and governments take the piss out of all of us.
No one should go without ... I bet they earn a hell of a lot more than I do and I'm budgeting and cutting costs government is giving handouts granted its not enough for people on limited income it just seems that strikes have seemed to started off a trend everyone who public actually rely on Like transport and postal etc seem to be going on strike I can just see it all getting out of control then we are fked lol "what issue is it of yours what private sector company employees interact with those that employ them? they owe you nothing, you owe them nothing. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
I understand that but it's also effecting others who rely on public transport is all im trying to say and they are fighting for pay rise because of inflation... so are they going to accept a decrease in wage when war is over and inflation is back under control I bet not
So people should just go without for now?
This mentality is why big companies and governments take the piss out of all of us.
No one should go without ... I bet they earn a hell of a lot more than I do and I'm budgeting and cutting costs government is giving handouts granted its not enough for people on limited income it just seems that strikes have seemed to started off a trend everyone who public actually rely on Like transport and postal etc seem to be going on strike I can just see it all getting out of control then we are fked lol "The people who are struggling should probably sympathise with people fighting for better pay and working conditions. Who knows… if they get it other companies might follow. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise."Nurses may threaten never happens though | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
Nurses may threaten never happens though"Does that change any of the other points made in this thread? | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. " Couldn’t agree more. Unions have been demonised unfairly for far too long | |||
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"I ask this forum the same question. TO ALL Is it right that full time workers ie, work 35 hours or more per week, HAVE TO RELY ON FOOD BANKS?" No it's not | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
Nurses may threaten never happens though
Does that change any of the other points made in this thread?"no it doesn't I was just making a point which I think I'm entitles to | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot."You are mistaken my friend those greedy train drivers are striking. If I had my way I'd go down the driverless train route and get rid of those money grabbing selfish bastards | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
Average wage for a train driver £40-£50k for that highly skilled job........really.
They want to spend less time in the casinos."That highly skilled job is an initial 12 week train course. They already earn more then airline pilots | |||
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"In the words off Wolfie Smith power to the people. If you need to strike, strike. In this day and age companies are not interested in there workers only profit "
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
My oh my. I have been so nieve. Most embarrassing. I genuinely thought that there rail strikes were only effecting scotland since we have nationalised the rail.
The notion that driver's aren't striking is nonsense. This is why we don't have a service in scotland. They also want a pay rise in line with inflation.
Of course we all are entitled to it no matter your profession but these guys who are already on 40-50k per year are definitely taking the piss. They are not feeling the pinch that the working class are by a long shot.
You are mistaken my friend those greedy train drivers are striking. If I had my way I'd go down the driverless train route and get rid of those money grabbing selfish bastards"Greedy ? That's one way of looking at it, or you could look at as them not saying I'm alright Jack and standing in solidarity with their lesser paid colleagues. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
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"In the words off Wolfie Smith power to the people. If you need to strike, strike. In this day and age companies are not interested in there workers only profit
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"In the words off Wolfie Smith power to the people. If you need to strike, strike. In this day and age companies are not interested in there workers only profit
People are so quick to accuse those striking of being greedy or selfish, what about some criticism for those at the top of the food chain making more money than ever? Is that not greedy and selfish?
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. They may have turned over 1.6billion but they definitely didn’t make that much profit. Most companies are making around a 1%-3% profit, and that’s with government subsidies included " Nope their profit was £1.6bn not turnover as per Network Rails own annual accounts. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. " | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. " Correct. Just watched an RMT rep on a C5 show, presenter moaning about people trying to get the commonwealth games while he points out that the avg person using public transport to commute is spending circa 18% of their salary, that's not the fault of the Union, and mentioned his members (and others) could he spending almost 2 months of wages on energy when the costs rise again in October all this and more when CEO pay for the companies in the FTSE 250 have risen by over 70% in the last 40 years, profits are through the roof while network rail (owned by the govt) is seeking to give the RMT members what amounts to a pay cut. Now I'm fortunate that I do very well in my own occupation but that doesn't mean I want to see people in the service sector screwed. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. Correct. Just watched an RMT rep on a C5 show, presenter moaning about people trying to get the commonwealth games while he points out that the avg person using public transport to commute is spending circa 18% of their salary, that's not the fault of the Union, and mentioned his members (and others) could he spending almost 2 months of wages on energy when the costs rise again in October all this and more when CEO pay for the companies in the FTSE 250 have risen by over 70% in the last 40 years, profits are through the roof while network rail (owned by the govt) is seeking to give the RMT members what amounts to a pay cut. Now I'm fortunate that I do very well in my own occupation but that doesn't mean I want to see people in the service sector screwed." Yes. The problem is the ‘public’ often have no idea what they are talking about on these issues. If you read this thread, the most frequent poster who is against the strikes has made a series of statements that are obviously factually wrong…but of course they are just repeating the same things you see repeated on Twitter by people who want to hold and give an opinion but don’t want to have to do any thinking to form or justify it. And that’s also why we have a government of liars, criminals and incompetents. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. " I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative." So the solution is do nothing and plunge more people into poverty? | |||
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"We can have a race to the bottom, where people are the last consideration of government and organisations affecting their lives. Or, live in and accom the real world, where we accept that we should prioritise the wellbeing of our people, ensuring that they don't get adversely affected by default, or as s core strategy. " Indeed. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. So the solution is do nothing and plunge more people into poverty?" The average earnings of a rail worker are over 32K I don't think that is poverty | |||
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"During The coronavirus crisis, nurse's, doctors, trains, buses, shops, lorry drivers posties still kept going to work. To keep this country going, they literally took massive risks with their lives and some paid the ultimate price as did there family members. As soon as its over then we all forget.They all deserve a decent pay rise. " And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. So the solution is do nothing and plunge more people into poverty? The average earnings of a rail worker are over 32K I don't think that is poverty" That’s the average. Conveniently leaving out the lower paid. The average nurse wage is around the same so I guess those food banks for nurses don’t exist? | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative." I’m guessing nobody responded to that point because it’s nonsense. Inflation is driven by a variety of factors, and can be controlled by a variety of factors. Cutting taxes is a far more significant driver of inflation…which you might notice is being proposed by all the Tory PM hopefuls, who will also tell you wages need to be curtailed to reduce inflation. There is one simple reason wages are being suppressed, and it’s nothing to do with inflation at all. It’s to maximise profits going to the owners of private businesses. If you don’t support strikers, you are supporting the owners of private businesses being made richer as a direct result of their workers being made poorer. If you think that position makes you a decent person, genuinely decent people would disagree. | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same" what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again. | |||
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"He was told the reason was he was too cleaver and would get really bored. " Did he get the chop? | |||
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"A 10%+ payrise will do one thing, it will feed inflation. We all suffer for longer if we end up in stagflation. The whole point of interest rate rises is to dampen demand and in turn decrease the cost of goods due to lessened demand. I get people are struggling and squeezed, we all are. But the answer is not prolonging the collective agony by feeding inflation through payrises. Just my view but what do I know." nevermind that over a decade of above inflation fare rises have caused the hyper-inflation that the country is now struggling with then hey? | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again. "And we don't owe them a payrise. It works both ways. | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again.
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. I’m guessing nobody responded to that point because it’s nonsense. Inflation is driven by a variety of factors, and can be controlled by a variety of factors. Cutting taxes is a far more significant driver of inflation…which you might notice is being proposed by all the Tory PM hopefuls, who will also tell you wages need to be curtailed to reduce inflation. There is one simple reason wages are being suppressed, and it’s nothing to do with inflation at all. It’s to maximise profits going to the owners of private businesses. If you don’t support strikers, you are supporting the owners of private businesses being made richer as a direct result of their workers being made poorer. If you think that position makes you a decent person, genuinely decent people would disagree." I clearly know nothing about economics then. | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again.
And we don't owe them a payrise. It works both ways."nonsense. we're nothing to do with their wages. that's a matter for their private sector employers alone. if the rail companies were a nationalised industry then you may have a modicum of a point, but they aren't and you don't. | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again.
And we don't owe them a payrise. It works both ways.
nonsense. we're nothing to do with their wages. that's a matter for their private sector employers alone. if the rail companies were a nationalised industry then you may have a modicum of a point, but they aren't and you don't. "So the Government in no way support or offer subsidies for the rail network? | |||
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" And I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs houses businesses think the same what's that got to do with railworkers. raolworkers don't owe these people a living. this is just spouting the politics of jealousy again.
And we don't owe them a payrise. It works both ways.
nonsense. we're nothing to do with their wages. that's a matter for their private sector employers alone. if the rail companies were a nationalised industry then you may have a modicum of a point, but they aren't and you don't.
So the Government in no way support or offer subsidies for the rail network?"irrelevant. the conservative and unionist government have chosen to outsource the industry to the private sector. the subsidy that the government choose to give to the private companies remains unchanged. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. I’m guessing nobody responded to that point because it’s nonsense. Inflation is driven by a variety of factors, and can be controlled by a variety of factors. Cutting taxes is a far more significant driver of inflation…which you might notice is being proposed by all the Tory PM hopefuls, who will also tell you wages need to be curtailed to reduce inflation. There is one simple reason wages are being suppressed, and it’s nothing to do with inflation at all. It’s to maximise profits going to the owners of private businesses. If you don’t support strikers, you are supporting the owners of private businesses being made richer as a direct result of their workers being made poorer. If you think that position makes you a decent person, genuinely decent people would disagree. I clearly know nothing about economics then. " Everybody knows something about economics. Whether they are sufficiently economically and politically literate to see how economic reality is being served through the lens of political ideology to achieve a particular end is something else entirely. And many people who can choose not to, as it makes them feel better about themselves and their choices. | |||
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"Good luck to everyone striking, whether it’s a rail dispute or any of the rest we’re going to get. Decent people understand and support your actions. I disagree. I'm a decent person and making others suffer (commuters) is not correct. I notice nobody has replied to my feeding inflation point. I guess it doesn't fit the narrative. I’m guessing nobody responded to that point because it’s nonsense. Inflation is driven by a variety of factors, and can be controlled by a variety of factors. Cutting taxes is a far more significant driver of inflation…which you might notice is being proposed by all the Tory PM hopefuls, who will also tell you wages need to be curtailed to reduce inflation. There is one simple reason wages are being suppressed, and it’s nothing to do with inflation at all. It’s to maximise profits going to the owners of private businesses. If you don’t support strikers, you are supporting the owners of private businesses being made richer as a direct result of their workers being made poorer. If you think that position makes you a decent person, genuinely decent people would disagree. I clearly know nothing about economics then. Everybody knows something about economics. Whether they are sufficiently economically and politically literate to see how economic reality is being served through the lens of political ideology to achieve a particular end is something else entirely. And many people who can choose not to, as it makes them feel better about themselves and their choices." I am very much professionally qualified. Not just a Daily Mail reader. | |||
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"I am very much professionally qualified. Not just a Daily Mail reader." yet naive enough to believe that somehow the public are in a position to dictate wages of those in the private sector. | |||
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"I am very much professionally qualified. Not just a Daily Mail reader. yet naive enough to believe that somehow the public are in a position to dictate wages of those in the private sector. "I don't think we will ever agree on any of the lines of discussion here. | |||
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"I am very much professionally qualified. Not just a Daily Mail reader. yet naive enough to believe that somehow the public are in a position to dictate wages of those in the private sector.
I don't think we will ever agree on any of the lines of discussion here.
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. " In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. " Exactly this. In fact we should all consider doing the same a general strike to show those billionaires at the trophy that it's us that makes their money and deserve to be treated better | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir." When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer? | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer?" I'm self employed. I have nobody to demand a payrise from. To answer the follow up question. My charges remain unchanged from 2021, so I haven't manufactured more income to soften the blow of cost increases. | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer? I'm self employed. I have nobody to demand a payrise from. To answer the follow up question. My charges remain unchanged from 2021, so I haven't manufactured more income to soften the blow of cost increases." So, you're saying, you were charging a premium in the first place, allowing you to absorb inflationary pressures? Same thing, different way of saying it. | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer? I'm self employed. I have nobody to demand a payrise from. To answer the follow up question. My charges remain unchanged from 2021, so I haven't manufactured more income to soften the blow of cost increases. So, you're saying, you were charging a premium in the first place, allowing you to absorb inflationary pressures? Same thing, different way of saying it. " Bit of a reech. No, it's been the same for at least 5 years. It's a competitive market. I don't force anyone to use my services or pay the charge I deem appropriate | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
They have fair pay already.
Some do, some don’t. They should still be getting a pay rise in line with inflation.
So should everybody but guess what the vast majority of the population isn't, All these strikes are doing is making the lives of ordinary people harder than they already are.
And that’s how they’ll manage to get a fair pay rise. Some rail workers are on as little as 18k a year. I earn more than that and rejected a much better pay deal than they have been offered.
The ones that are on 18K year are not train drivers And normally station staff. So these people can just hold the country to ransom were and while others won't get paid because they can't get to work They think this is acceptable and it isn't. What if nurses decided they wanted to go on strike because they also haven't had a pay rise in rise with inflation or the police or social workers? As far as I'm concerned public transport workers fall in to the essential workers category and according to them they did during covid which is why they think they deserve a pay rise. Tube drivers regularly go on strike and they are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country.
Train drivers aren’t striking. It’s the lower paid staff.
Nurses threaten to strike quite often.
Anyone in this country who isn’t paid what they believe they are worth have the right to strike and that how it should be.
Without unions we wouldn’t have maternity/paternity leave, sick pay, annual leave, breaks and any other workers rights.
I don’t understand how anyone can be against workers fighting for a fair pay rise.
The train drivers are striking as it's their Union that Put them to the vote the vast majority of ticket staff, Station staff are not part of a Union. And I'm sorry but I don't understand how anyone can think it's OK for them to bring the country to a standstill and stop other people from getting paid!"A decade of pay freezes will do that. I’ve got all the sympathy for people in public sector, they went out of their way to keep the country going during austerity and the pandemic and nobody except the nurses got so much as a saucepan banged at them. Sorry, love, you’re completely in the wrong here. | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer? I'm self employed. I have nobody to demand a payrise from. To answer the follow up question. My charges remain unchanged from 2021, so I haven't manufactured more income to soften the blow of cost increases. So, you're saying, you were charging a premium in the first place, allowing you to absorb inflationary pressures? Same thing, different way of saying it. Bit of a reech. No, it's been the same for at least 5 years. It's a competitive market. I don't force anyone to use my services or pay the charge I deem appropriate " And public sector staff are asking for an increase in wages, to a level they deem appropriate, for their skills. If you haven't increased your fees in 5 years, I suggest that you were living high on the hog. | |||
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"interesting as to the approach to the cost of living crisis implemented by the governments of other countries when it comes to public transport. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/15/spain-announces-free-rail-journeys-from-september-until-the-end-of-the-year remember that our government washed their hands of responsibility and sold a chunk of our rail operations to renfe. In all fairness, most countries have a decent rail system, we do not. I'd travel by train if the standards were as high as around Rome, for example. It's also much cheaper from memory. When it all goes tits up and they cant fund the huge salary increases. Just remember who ends up bailing them out, it's not private company money. Remember who stumped up during the pandemic. Good day sir. When BR was privatised in 1994, it was actually profitable. That didn't suit the narrative then, either. I presume, using your own flag here, that you won't be looking for a pay rise this year, and are happy to be poorer? I'm self employed. I have nobody to demand a payrise from. To answer the follow up question. My charges remain unchanged from 2021, so I haven't manufactured more income to soften the blow of cost increases. So, you're saying, you were charging a premium in the first place, allowing you to absorb inflationary pressures? Same thing, different way of saying it. Bit of a reech. No, it's been the same for at least 5 years. It's a competitive market. I don't force anyone to use my services or pay the charge I deem appropriate And public sector staff are asking for an increase in wages, to a level they deem appropriate, for their skills. If you haven't increased your fees in 5 years, I suggest that you were living high on the hog." | |||
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" nonsense. we're nothing to do with their wages. that's a matter for their private sector employers alone. if the rail companies were a nationalised industry then you may have a modicum of a point, but they aren't and you don't. "You seem to have missed the fact that the franchise model set up after privatisation in 1997 was suspended in April 2020 when the entire industry was put into “Emergency Special Measures” in order that the government could indemnify the private operators from pandemic induced losses, and then scrapped last year entirely, to be replaced with a system of “Management Contracts” where the previous companies no longer had any control over policy, and are simply paid a fixed fee in return for administering their areas. Further, several Operating Companies (SE Trains for instance) are directly run by the government under their “Operator of Last Resort” fallback after the franchise’s original holder relinquished (or was stripped of) the contract. So yes, it’s the government pulling the strings, and Mr Shapps in particular being disingenuous about it. | |||
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"So glad I don't have to rely on public transport even when they are running they either don't turn up or run late or too early amount of times my daughter has had to ring me after I have been on a night shift for a lift home from work is ridiculous... they would soon complain if we made a way to boycott public transport altogether then they would all be out of a job
Put them out of a job for trying to get a fair pay rise?
Average wage for a train driver £40-£50k for that highly skilled job........really.
They want to spend less time in the casinos.
That highly skilled job is an initial 12 week train course. They already earn more then airline pilots "get your facts right before you mouth off, it’s a 12 MONTH training program and then takes 3 years before you earn the top money level !! Responsible for hundreds of passengers at all times of the day, 0% alcohol level so not able to socialise with friends and family’s, unsociable work hours, the high risk of being involved in suicidal situations | |||
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" nonsense. we're nothing to do with their wages. that's a matter for their private sector employers alone. if the rail companies were a nationalised industry then you may have a modicum of a point, but they aren't and you don't.
You seem to have missed the fact that the franchise model set up after privatisation in 1997 was suspended in April 2020 when the entire industry was put into “Emergency Special Measures” in order that the government could indemnify the private operators from pandemic induced losses, and then scrapped last year entirely, to be replaced with a system of “Management Contracts” where the previous companies no longer had any control over policy, and are simply paid a fixed fee in return for administering their areas. Further, several Operating Companies (SE Trains for instance) are directly run by the government under their “Operator of Last Resort” fallback after the franchise’s original holder relinquished (or was stripped of) the contract. So yes, it’s the government pulling the strings, and Mr Shapps in particular being disingenuous about it. "you seem to have missed the fact that the franchise system was created in 1993 and came into effect in 1996 | |||
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"Find the term public sector workers a bit of a misnomer as they are all privately owned companies who never fail to make a profit "They’re all management contracts, overseen, or run by the DfT. The entire industry was effectively renationalised last year under the mantle of “Great British Rail”. But yes, profits are taken by the private companies holding the management contracts. | |||
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" you seem to have missed the fact that the franchise system was created in 1993 and came into effect in 1996 "My error. In the industry we refer to pre 1997 as “BR” and post 1997 as “privatised”. Regardless, the whole industry was effectively brought in-house last year. The DfT have overall control. | |||
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"No one moaned about railway salaries (apart from the staff) when they were shit in the years before privatisation " | |||
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"A 10%+ payrise will do one thing, it will feed inflation. We all suffer for longer if we end up in stagflation. The whole point of interest rate rises is to dampen demand and in turn decrease the cost of goods due to lessened demand. I get people are struggling and squeezed, we all are. But the answer is not prolonging the collective agony by feeding inflation through payrises. Just my view but what do I know." You don’t know your economics. You are echoing what you have read in the right wing press. Pay rises in line with inflation will not cause inflation to go up. It merely keeps workers wages in line with cost of living increases and may even stimulate growth in the economy. The inflation we are facing now has not been inspired by wage growth. On the contrary average wages have gone down in real terms since 2010. Take a look at what HAS led to this inflation and address that says I | |||
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My error. In the industry we refer to pre 1997 as “BR” and post 1997 as “privatised”. Regardless, the whole industry was effectively brought in-house last year. The DfT have overall control. "Not according to grant shapps. Surely he's not lying | |||
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"Compulsory redundancies Changing their pension benefits Fire and rehire ( on worse conditions) Below inflation pay rise Network rail made £1.6bn last year and pay their CEO a basic salary of £600,000 They can afford to treat their workers better. Exactly. And huge shareholder dividends paid out too. The reason the government and media are fighting this as they know other sectors will follow though thankfully that seems to be happening anyway. We have reached a point where people asking for a payrise I'm linevwith inflation is seen as greedy, wjst a horrific reflection on society. Problem is they don't seem to care about the people's lives they are disrupting or whether they can get paid because of their action. I wouldn't have a problem if striking was seen as a last resort but for train staff and tube staff they just seem to strike because they know they can get away with it. " Not quite, they have had three years of below inflation or no pay rise whilst maintaing rail service including during the difficult COVID period. Why should they take a pay cut? The other workers should get behind them and support just and fair pay. | |||
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"A 10%+ payrise will do one thing, it will feed inflation. We all suffer for longer if we end up in stagflation. The whole point of interest rate rises is to dampen demand and in turn decrease the cost of goods due to lessened demand. I get people are struggling and squeezed, we all are. But the answer is not prolonging the collective agony by feeding inflation through payrises. Just my view but what do I know. You don’t know your economics. You are echoing what you have read in the right wing press. Pay rises in line with inflation will not cause inflation to go up. It merely keeps workers wages in line with cost of living increases and may even stimulate growth in the economy. The inflation we are facing now has not been inspired by wage growth. On the contrary average wages have gone down in real terms since 2010. Take a look at what HAS led to this inflation and address that says I " Please elaborate further on why I am incorrect. How would you stop inflation? I don't read 'right wing media'. My views are based on history, wider reading and data. We aren't all Daily Mail readers. By the way do you read the paper format of the Guardian or have you gone online? | |||
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