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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " I definitely think all adults should at least know the basics . .I think the younger generation get taught it a lot more my son has just had a baby and him and his gf have been taught cpr and what to do if your child swallows something they shouldn’t .We weren’t taught any of that and I think it’s a great idea x | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " Yes and children too. Should be taught at schools. | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? Yo bruv, everybody should know this basic, stuff, it’s the BeeGees rhythm, staying alive, that’s the basic beat Yes and children too. Should be taught at schools. " | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? Yo bruv, everybody A should know this basic, stuff, it’s the BeeGees rhythm, staying alive, that’s the basic beat Yes and children too. Should be taught at schools. " should be taught to everyone, it’s a possible life saver | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x" Such as? Even disabled people can learn it. | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x Such as? Even disabled people can learn it." Such as mobility issues that make it hard or impossible to 1) kneel down next to the patient, 2) perform the compressions with enough force or 3) maintain the compressions for an extended time. That being said I agree it should be taught to everyone and AEDs should be located as frequently as possible.  | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x Such as? Even disabled people can learn it." My nephew has learning disabilities. He wouldn’t be able to retain the information. Plus what if he tried & did something wrong that affected the person he was trying to resuscitate? Would he be held accountable for his actions? We were taught as children through Brownies & Scouts & I did a course through work many years ago but I’d be very rusty now. Might see what’s online for a refresher J x | |||
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"You could add to that.. How to find, access and use a defib. There's quite a few dotted around now and I bet most wouldn't know what to do in an emergency. Or even if battery's have life in them " The machines dotted around provide instructions and are monitored remotely for battery life etc. | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x Such as? Even disabled people can learn it. Such as mobility issues that make it hard or impossible to 1) kneel down next to the patient, 2) perform the compressions with enough force or 3) maintain the compressions for an extended time. That being said I agree it should be taught to everyone and AEDs should be located as frequently as possible. "I have mobility issues, and such I cannot kneel down next to the patient, but I have been taught how to give compressions that will give the force needed. Also just because if disabled you can’t get down to the patient, if there is someone else there you can tell that person what they need to know or if alone, do what I was taught. There is always a way. | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x Such as? Even disabled people can learn it. My nephew has learning disabilities. He wouldn’t be able to retain the information. Plus what if he tried & did something wrong that affected the person he was trying to resuscitate? Would he be held accountable for his actions? We were taught as children through Brownies & Scouts & I did a course through work many years ago but I’d be very rusty now. Might see what’s online for a refresher J x" Ok maybe I should have said physically disabled. I agree that if someone has a learning disability they may not be able to learn how to give CPR, but if they know how to use a phone, they could still dial 999, it depends on their severity of the disability | |||
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"There are people that aren’t able to learn CPR for various reasons though…. J x Such as? Even disabled people can learn it. My nephew has learning disabilities. He wouldn’t be able to retain the information. Plus what if he tried & did something wrong that affected the person he was trying to resuscitate? Would he be held accountable for his actions? We were taught as children through Brownies & Scouts & I did a course through work many years ago but I’d be very rusty now. Might see what’s online for a refresher J x" Definitely do a refresher as there’s things that are now outdated and not taught now. | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " As someone who works in the Ambulance Service I wish not only did people know, but also how to do it effectively and know if someone is ACTUALLY not breathing. The amount of times I've seen poor people twitching and screwing their eyes up as someone is jumping on their chest is too many! | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? As someone who works in the Ambulance Service I wish not only did people know, but also how to do it effectively and know if someone is ACTUALLY not breathing. The amount of times I've seen poor people twitching and screwing their eyes up as someone is jumping on their chest is too many!" Obviously they don’t know how to check for breathing. | |||
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"But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think." Yes “what 3words” should be installed on every mobile phone by default. I have used it many times, both requesting help and responding. It’s a real time / life saver, especially in remote areas or areas you don’t know. Going back to the original question, yes as many people as possible should learn CPR. However it needs to be borne in mind the, done properly, CPR is brutal and it can result in broken ribs and / or sternum. So it can be traumatic for both the recipient and giver. Doing it on a human is not the same as on a resus Annie. | |||
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"But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Yes “what 3words” should be installed on every mobile phone by default. I have used it many times, both requesting help and responding. It’s a real time / life saver, especially in remote areas or areas you don’t know. Going back to the original question, yes as many people as possible should learn CPR. However it needs to be borne in mind the, done properly, CPR is brutal and it can result in broken ribs and / or sternum. So it can be traumatic for both the recipient and giver. Doing it on a human is not the same as on a resus Annie." Pretty certain I broke some ribs, as you say it needs to be quite brutal. Another guy gave me a break but after 2 or 3 compressions I knew he wasn't applying enough pressure so took over again. Paramedics said I'd done a great job but sadly not enough. I guess we all have our expiry date. | |||
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"But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Yes “what 3words” should be installed on every mobile phone by default. I have used it many times, both requesting help and responding. It’s a real time / life saver, especially in remote areas or areas you don’t know. Going back to the original question, yes as many people as possible should learn CPR. However it needs to be borne in mind the, done properly, CPR is brutal and it can result in broken ribs and / or sternum. So it can be traumatic for both the recipient and giver. Doing it on a human is not the same as on a resus Annie. Pretty certain I broke some ribs, as you say it needs to be quite brutal. Another guy gave me a break but after 2 or 3 compressions I knew he wasn't applying enough pressure so took over again. Paramedics said I'd done a great job but sadly not enough. I guess we all have our expiry date." We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! | |||
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"I have done both adult and child first aid training... just hope I remember it, if it was ever arise. But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Also there's an app called save a life... which lets you know where the nearest defibrillator is located. Inside each defib is amazing simple instructions on how to use it. I do think more people should learn basic first aid, but obv I know there may be restrictions in some cases... but what a feeling knowing you may help save a life. " Those two apps are brilliant. Great advice. If only more people knew about them, especially the defib one. Access to a defib increases the patients chances of survival. Quite a few people will have been taught CPR in the past. But its forever being changed and updated, as is first aid. Some will remember the 5 chest compressions to 1 breath. (Or 15 to 2 if on your own). Its now 30 to 2, whether on your own or with others. With Covid, CPR face masks are advised. Or, no breaths at all. Chest compressions are taught as the most important. Ive done CPR on multiple casualties, (the youngest being 14months old). Unfortunately out of all of them, only 2 survived. But as more and more businesses, bus/train stations, emergency services now have them, hopefully the number of lives saved will increase | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill." Not had a course for decades l had to use what a learned a couple of yrs back ,the person did not survive but the paramedics said l did fine ,in the panic it came back to me , most people were glad l tried, so am l ,the op's post right in my view. | |||
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"But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Yes “what 3words” should be installed on every mobile phone by default. I have used it many times, both requesting help and responding. It’s a real time / life saver, especially in remote areas or areas you don’t know. Going back to the original question, yes as many people as possible should learn CPR. However it needs to be borne in mind the, done properly, CPR is brutal and it can result in broken ribs and / or sternum. So it can be traumatic for both the recipient and giver. Doing it on a human is not the same as on a resus Annie. Pretty certain I broke some ribs, as you say it needs to be quite brutal. Another guy gave me a break but after 2 or 3 compressions I knew he wasn't applying enough pressure so took over again. Paramedics said I'd done a great job but sadly not enough. I guess we all have our expiry date. We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! " There’s not a “need” to break ribs but when doing CPR on the elderly it’s almost inevitable. | |||
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"But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Yes “what 3words” should be installed on every mobile phone by default. I have used it many times, both requesting help and responding. It’s a real time / life saver, especially in remote areas or areas you don’t know. Going back to the original question, yes as many people as possible should learn CPR. However it needs to be borne in mind the, done properly, CPR is brutal and it can result in broken ribs and / or sternum. So it can be traumatic for both the recipient and giver. Doing it on a human is not the same as on a resus Annie. Pretty certain I broke some ribs, as you say it needs to be quite brutal. Another guy gave me a break but after 2 or 3 compressions I knew he wasn't applying enough pressure so took over again. Paramedics said I'd done a great job but sadly not enough. I guess we all have our expiry date. We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! " He was 88, and we were at it for 15 minutes. Apparently its quite common. Anyhow, academic now, we did our best. Paramedics had a machine doing it which was massive pressure. | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " Early Bystander CPR has a statistically proven benefit in increasing the odds of surviving a cardiac event, second only to early defibrillation in importance. A refresher course will certainly help give you confidence you’re doing things correctly, but the ambulance service call handler will also coach you through what and how to do it if the worst should ever happen. | |||
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"I have done both adult and child first aid training... just hope I remember it, if it was ever arise. But there are 2 apps ... what 3 words, where if you were to call emergancy services you can give them the 3 words and its a exact location... amazing stuff I think. Also there's an app called save a life... which lets you know where the nearest defibrillator is located. Inside each defib is amazing simple instructions on how to use it. I do think more people should learn basic first aid, but obv I know there may be restrictions in some cases... but what a feeling knowing you may help save a life. Those two apps are brilliant. Great advice. If only more people knew about them, especially the defib one. Access to a defib increases the patients chances of survival. Quite a few people will have been taught CPR in the past. But its forever being changed and updated, as is first aid. Some will remember the 5 chest compressions to 1 breath. (Or 15 to 2 if on your own). Its now 30 to 2, whether on your own or with others. With Covid, CPR face masks are advised. Or, no breaths at all. Chest compressions are taught as the most important. Ive done CPR on multiple casualties, (the youngest being 14months old). Unfortunately out of all of them, only 2 survived. But as more and more businesses, bus/train stations, emergency services now have them, hopefully the number of lives saved will increase " As you say compressions are the priority. I would only ever consider doing “mouth to mouth” with close family members or a close friend, even then I would think twice. I would only do the breaths on an adult using a BVM or other adjunct. I carry an AED and resuscitation kit in my car, fortunately have never needed to use either. | |||
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" We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! " Id disagree. Annie shows you the basics, especially the ideal depth of the compressions, checking airways, and doing the chin lift/spine stretch. But nothing like real life. And we've always been told if you hear the ribs crack, you are doing it right. The only time ive never cracked ribs was when performing CPR toddlers (thankfully ive never had to do it on a baby). The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering. | |||
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" The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering." It’s either a LUCAS or AutoPulse not sure which one LAS use | |||
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" The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering. It’s either a LUCAS or AutoPulse not sure which one LAS use" Ive never actually asked. I will next time im working with them....if its appropriate | |||
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" We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! Id disagree. Annie shows you the basics, especially the ideal depth of the compressions, checking airways, and doing the chin lift/spine stretch. But nothing like real life. And we've always been told if you hear the ribs crack, you are doing it right. The only time ive never cracked ribs was when performing CPR toddlers (thankfully ive never had to do it on a baby). The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering." But it keeps people 'alive' indefinitely. The fact they xan now transport someone to hospital and perform a cardio- angiogram with CPR on going is phenomenonal. | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " Only if they can mental deal with the out come.. | |||
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"Absolutely! It’s a life skill. Most people would like to help someone if the situation arose but without regular training on what to do a lot of people will simply not try due to panic or for fear of making things worse - if the patient’s heart is not beating anything you do is unlikely to make things worse" mmm | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? Only if they can mental deal with the out come.." I've heard it described as fight or flight. Even though you have received some training many people don't implement it at the point of need. It's a scary situation when you are faced with it. | |||
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"It occurred to me that it has been quite a long time since I've refreshed my CPR training and I don't feel at all confident if a situation arose where I would need it. I will of course be looking into how to change that. Do you think every adult should know CPR? " I was an advanced first aider. Every time I went on refresher training the procedure for CPR had changed. | |||
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"Should be taught on schools along with swimming Both life skills I had to do an intense first aider course for work, feel more confident than any one day course I’ve done prior. Also have to do yearly tests/exams. I whole heartedly feel confident to help someone on need until the professionals arrive " I was surprised at how many people froze or behaved really strangely yesterday. Not a criticism at all, just an observation that even those with some first aid training didn't deal at all with a real life situation | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? " You simply follow the instructions, not only written instructions but the machine Also talks you through it and tells you when to stand clear. | |||
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"Should be taught on schools along with swimming Both life skills I had to do an intense first aider course for work, feel more confident than any one day course I’ve done prior. Also have to do yearly tests/exams. I whole heartedly feel confident to help someone on need until the professionals arrive I was surprised at how many people froze or behaved really strangely yesterday. Not a criticism at all, just an observation that even those with some first aid training didn't deal at all with a real life situation " 4 fs stress response Most people’s first response is freeze | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? " They are designed for people who don’t know how to use them. There’s also a video demo from St. John’s ambulance on YouTube which is pretty good if you want to have a look 
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"Should be taught on schools along with swimming Both life skills I had to do an intense first aider course for work, feel more confident than any one day course I’ve done prior. Also have to do yearly tests/exams. I whole heartedly feel confident to help someone on need until the professionals arrive I was surprised at how many people froze or behaved really strangely yesterday. Not a criticism at all, just an observation that even those with some first aid training didn't deal at all with a real life situation 4 fs stress response Most people’s first response is freeze " Totally, I never expected to ever have to use the training but proud I got stuck in. Had a lovely call from the family today thanking me for everything which was a really hard call as I'd do it for anyone. | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? " The good thing is they are incredibly easy to use. Visual instructions where to place the pads. Advice to check for piercings or possible heart surgery. Then it talks you through it....even providing a tempo for the chest compressions. But, i think most people would like to use a training Defib first. Unfortunately, at a lot of incidents, especially in the street, a lot of onlookers will give conflicting advice...in a lot of cases from things they've seen on TV. But i believe still the most important thing is to dial 999. You'd be surprised how often, despite everyone having mobile phones, no one calls. Too many people gawking/filming/rubber necking....or assuming someone else must have done it. | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill." So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill. So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side..." So do you just let someone die? What if they have a full recovery and lead a great life for years after? | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill. So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... So do you just let someone die? What if they have a full recovery and lead a great life for years after? " I wish I hadn't don't know if I would do it again. Strange how every one is saying about defibrillators but how meny people caries a cheep face shield. | |||
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"That's where the training helped yesterday. Within 10 secs of me realising hebwas unresponsive I got someone to call the ambulance. The call handler also offered advice on CPR." Top job, fella. Im glad the training kicked in, and you kept a cool head. | |||
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"That's where the training helped yesterday. Within 10 secs of me realising hebwas unresponsive I got someone to call the ambulance. The call handler also offered advice on CPR. Top job, fella. Im glad the training kicked in, and you kept a cool head." cheers, really appreciate that, have to confess to feeling really emotional and upset in the immediate aftermath, but OK now. | |||
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"That's where the training helped yesterday. Within 10 secs of me realising hebwas unresponsive I got someone to call the ambulance. The call handler also offered advice on CPR." Top job glad for you it all went well. | |||
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"That's where the training helped yesterday. Within 10 secs of me realising hebwas unresponsive I got someone to call the ambulance. The call handler also offered advice on CPR. Top job glad for you it all went well. " Sadly not enough. He didn't make it. If I'm honest I think he was gone the moment he collapsed, maybe we should have just left it there but you just never know, between me and the paramedics we tried but it was obviously his time, painless, quick and in the middle of having a great time, not a bad way to sign off. | |||
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"That's where the training helped yesterday. Within 10 secs of me realising hebwas unresponsive I got someone to call the ambulance. The call handler also offered advice on CPR. Top job glad for you it all went well. Sorry to hear that .. Sadly not enough. He didn't make it. If I'm honest I think he was gone the moment he collapsed, maybe we should have just left it there but you just never know, between me and the paramedics we tried but it was obviously his time, painless, quick and in the middle of having a great time, not a bad way to sign off." | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs " Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? " The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week. | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. " Without being gruesome there was blood yesterday and also food in the airways but for some reason I didn't even think about it, got the food out and didn't hesitate to do mouth to mouth, maybe easier because I knew him. | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. " Totally agree! Personally, I’ve always had one to hand as always been at work. However, I (obviously) don’t carry one. I may pop one in my handbag as you never know. Or perhaps we should make them available in with AED’s in the locked boxes | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week." Well done and kudos to you. Hopefully you had support after? | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. Totally agree! Personally, I’ve always had one to hand as always been at work. However, I (obviously) don’t carry one. I may pop one in my handbag as you never know. Or perhaps we should make them available in with AED’s in the locked boxes " So I guess you work in care. Wife is a nurse she is use to it. | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill. So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... So do you just let someone die? What if they have a full recovery and lead a great life for years after? " You can live with 1 lung and transplants are option. When, you're dead: you're dead, take that risk and break a rib! The family will always appreciate effort "I did my best, but I tried", is much better than "Sorry, I didn't bother learning 1st aid". | |||
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" Without being gruesome there was blood yesterday and also food in the airways but for some reason I didn't even think about it, got the food out and didn't hesitate to do mouth to mouth, maybe easier because I knew him." Nothing really prepares you for the tastes, sounds or smells.....depending on the reason for the CPR. Blow back from mouth to mouth, the casualty defacating themselves, the casualty being sick, food, the noise of ribs cracking.. So, how would you answer the question above, re Resus Annie being like the real thing? Genuine enquiry. | |||
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"When I did my refresher Emergency First Aid at Work course we were told that statistically most casualties requiring CPR unfortunately never make it. If you made no attempt to perform CPR or didn't know what to do to help the casualty then the casualty would die and you would have that on your conscience. However if you attempted CPR and they didn't make it you could at least console yourself that you did everything possible that you could do. And that's why learning CPR was such a vital skill. So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... So do you just let someone die? What if they have a full recovery and lead a great life for years after? You can live with 1 lung and transplants are option. When, you're dead: you're dead, take that risk and break a rib! The family will always appreciate effort "I did my best, but I tried", is much better than "Sorry, I didn't bother learning 1st aid"." So I guess you do you 3 year ILS and as I have said carry a face shield as trained you might need it. If the services can't get to you. | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. Totally agree! Personally, I’ve always had one to hand as always been at work. However, I (obviously) don’t carry one. I may pop one in my handbag as you never know. Or perhaps we should make them available in with AED’s in the locked boxes So I guess you work in care. Wife is a nurse she is use to it." Yes, for many years! No longer front facing and now office based, but you still never know, a colleague could become ill or a visitor! | |||
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" Without being gruesome there was blood yesterday and also food in the airways but for some reason I didn't even think about it, got the food out and didn't hesitate to do mouth to mouth, maybe easier because I knew him. Nothing really prepares you for the tastes, sounds or smells.....depending on the reason for the CPR. Blow back from mouth to mouth, the casualty defacating themselves, the casualty being sick, food, the noise of ribs cracking.. So, how would you answer the question above, re Resus Annie being like the real thing? Genuine enquiry." Was not my first but at work I'm was asked to go back to being a First Aider but declined. I'm also now have a DNR in place. | |||
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"Absolutely! CPR and BSL should be taught as standard from Primary age (obviously age appropriate). My own mother, unfortunately passed away at 36 years old from an out of hospital cardiac arrest. I highly doubt effective CPR immediately would have changed the outcome, however, with advances in medicine, I do believe we should all be able to have a go. I’ve unfortunately had to carry out CPR a number of times in my profession, and it’s not nice, so definitely think we should only be teaching it if we can also offer support/debriefing to individuals after the event. (Sorry for the long comment, I’m extremely passionate about this, as you can tell) Mrs Total agree with the support/debriefing to individuals after the event. But it still amazes me you do an ILS course or CPR training and they don't even give you a 40p face shield for CPR find it hard to believe condoms are free to stop a life but a face shield is not to save one I know it now recommend compression is enough but that depends how long you at it. Totally agree! Personally, I’ve always had one to hand as always been at work. However, I (obviously) don’t carry one. I may pop one in my handbag as you never know. Or perhaps we should make them available in with AED’s in the locked boxes So I guess you work in care. Wife is a nurse she is use to it. Yes, for many years! No longer front facing and now office based, but you still never know, a colleague could become ill or a visitor! " Wife is in Mental Health and even when they cut some one down they have to do CPR until paramedics get there even if they are cold. | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week. Well done and kudos to you. Hopefully you had support after?" The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too | |||
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" So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... " Im by no means an expert, or qualified medical professional..but i dont think ive ever heard of someone getting brain damage from receiving CPR. Its usually from not receiving CPR..the brain being denied oxygen (And medical professionals/ELS instructors, feel free to correct me). Broken ribs?? Yeah, pretty unavoidable. But never heard of the ribs puncturing lungs (again, feel free to correct me). Surely its better to do something, than nothing. | |||
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" The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too " Absolutely brilliant. That is so good to hear. Well done. Its safe to say we are all proud of you. Doing ELS to a child is especially worrying. There seems to be more urgency...im not sure how to describe it. But you did it. And the debrief and aftercare was spot on. And the best bit....you will have so much more confidence in yourself, especially if required to do it again. | |||
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" So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... Im by no means an expert, or qualified medical professional..but i dont think ive ever heard of someone getting brain damage from receiving CPR. Its usually from not receiving CPR..the brain being denied oxygen (And medical professionals/ELS instructors, feel free to correct me). Broken ribs?? Yeah, pretty unavoidable. But never heard of the ribs puncturing lungs (again, feel free to correct me). Surely its better to do something, than nothing. " Correct on the first point. Theoretically a broken rib could puncture a lung but in all probability it would only be one lobe of one lung which would be the least of the patients worries. It’s not a reason not to do CPR. | |||
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" So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... Im by no means an expert, or qualified medical professional..but i dont think ive ever heard of someone getting brain damage from receiving CPR. Its usually from not receiving CPR..the brain being denied oxygen (And medical professionals/ELS instructors, feel free to correct me). Broken ribs?? Yeah, pretty unavoidable. But never heard of the ribs puncturing lungs (again, feel free to correct me). Surely its better to do something, than nothing. Correct on the first point. Theoretically a broken rib could puncture a lung but in all probability it would only be one lobe of one lung which would be the least of the patients worries. It’s not a reason not to do CPR." Thank you. I wanted to be sure. | |||
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" The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too Absolutely brilliant. That is so good to hear. Well done. Its safe to say we are all proud of you. Doing ELS to a child is especially worrying. There seems to be more urgency...im not sure how to describe it. But you did it. And the debrief and aftercare was spot on. And the best bit....you will have so much more confidence in yourself, especially if required to do it again." Debriefing is very important, more so for those who don’t normally do CPR (it’s also important for those who do it more regularly, most times I was fine but on a couple of occasions I found it useful, even when it’s been successful) Certainly when I worked for the ambulance service we made a point of making sure any members of the public who assisted were properly debriefed, not only immediately but we made sure they had follow up support if needed. | |||
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" The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too Absolutely brilliant. That is so good to hear. Well done. Its safe to say we are all proud of you. Doing ELS to a child is especially worrying. There seems to be more urgency...im not sure how to describe it. But you did it. And the debrief and aftercare was spot on. And the best bit....you will have so much more confidence in yourself, especially if required to do it again." Thank you, like I say you don't think, instinct and training kicks in, like I say the crucial stage was after I administered the midazolam because there was nothing else I could do other than monitor her breathing which ironically a side effect of midazolam is breathing problems, hence the cpr, my colleague was on the phone to the ambulance crew and they were relaying instructions as well and giving updates on ambulance ETA I was annoyed with the parents because when they dropped her of that morning, I asked if any medication had been administered to her, they said no. We called the parents straight after the ambulance and were there when the ambulance crew came, they asked Mum if she had any medicine other than her midazolam and Mum said yes, calpol at 2am for a high temp  she should of said so we were aware of the meds and of possible illness which could of been a trigger for the seizure
And yes the aftercare by my employers was spot on.
It's strange now because the little girl makes a beeline for me when she sees me, it's like she knows
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" So how would you feel if you do the CPR and the person is left with damaged lungs from the broken ribs and is Brain damaged to the point some one has to wipe their back side... Im by no means an expert, or qualified medical professional..but i dont think ive ever heard of someone getting brain damage from receiving CPR. Its usually from not receiving CPR..the brain being denied oxygen (And medical professionals/ELS instructors, feel free to correct me). Broken ribs?? Yeah, pretty unavoidable. But never heard of the ribs puncturing lungs (again, feel free to correct me). Surely its better to do something, than nothing. Correct on the first point. Theoretically a broken rib could puncture a lung but in all probability it would only be one lobe of one lung which would be the least of the patients worries. It’s not a reason not to do CPR. Thank you. I wanted to be sure." It was 10am the guy had a drug indused fit. Draged him out of a van side of the road. | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week. Well done and kudos to you. Hopefully you had support after? The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too " I'm so glad you were able to get support from your boss. Support is so important and I don't think people appreciate how much it can be needed. I've done CPR many times though thank God yet to do so on a child, and where I work we can talk to colleagues and that helps immeasurably. Don't blame you on the Gin either. | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week. Well done and kudos to you. Hopefully you had support after? The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too I'm so glad you were able to get support from your boss. Support is so important and I don't think people appreciate how much it can be needed. I've done CPR many times though thank God yet to do so on a child, and where I work we can talk to colleagues and that helps immeasurably. Don't blame you on the Gin either. " I didn't think it would have such an effect but when you wake up in a cold sweat thinking about it before remembering that all is well you realise what an effect it has. I went with it because I knew I had to process and yes colleague support is everything and I know who I would want by my side in a crisis. Stuff like that bonds a team, I'm very lucky x | |||
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"Yes and so should teenagers, we are seeing defibrillator machines popping up everywhere, but what if we don’t know how to use them? The machines are designed for unknowledgable people and will instruct you. There are different sized pads depending on whether it's a child or adult I have done CPR on a child who went unconcious and not breathing during an epileptic seizure, 5 minutes is a long wait before you administer midazolam and the danger is after you administer it because you aren't allowed to give anymore....You think you won't remember the procedure but you do. I was a mess afterwards, the what ifs float around your head, took me a few days to process the events. Luckily the child was fine and was back in Nursery the next week. Well done and kudos to you. Hopefully you had support after? The first night I had gin, despite being a none drinker 2nd day I spent the day writing up the report with my boss which really helped process it. The college offered me counselling but I refused because my boss was so supportive and let me cry when I needed it. Seeing the little girl again was very emotional. I would do it 100 times over if I needed too I'm so glad you were able to get support from your boss. Support is so important and I don't think people appreciate how much it can be needed. I've done CPR many times though thank God yet to do so on a child, and where I work we can talk to colleagues and that helps immeasurably. Don't blame you on the Gin either. I didn't think it would have such an effect but when you wake up in a cold sweat thinking about it before remembering that all is well you realise what an effect it has. I went with it because I knew I had to process and yes colleague support is everything and I know who I would want by my side in a crisis. Stuff like that bonds a team, I'm very lucky x " Certainly sounds like you have a great team I always remember the first time I did CPR, a guy collapsed at the end of a run and my colleagues and I were called over. We got his heart going but not breathing and I travelled to hospital assisting the Para in the back of the the truck. Sadly he died a few days later. Big debrief after which I was grateful for x | |||
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"I think it’s a great thing for everyone to have… and I will be eternally grateful to my local B&M store manager who performed CPR on me 2 years ago after I collapsed after suffering a sudden cardiac arrest whilst out shopping… one minute up pushing my trolley and the next, I was gone. For 20 mins he done what he did whilst waiting for the paramedics… I was clinically dead for a total of 27 mins before the paramedics got me back. I spent a month in a coma and my prognosis was not good… but miraculously I beat all the odds to wake up and be home within 4 days with just some short term memory loss. Took 44 years before an unknown heart condition reared it’s ugly head…and I’m just so happy it done so whilst I was out because I live alone and would certainly not be here now if I was at home…. So every cloud and all that! " So pleased someone was there for you when it mattered x | |||
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" We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! Id disagree. Annie shows you the basics, especially the ideal depth of the compressions, checking airways, and doing the chin lift/spine stretch. But nothing like real life. And we've always been told if you hear the ribs crack, you are doing it right. The only time ive never cracked ribs was when performing CPR toddlers (thankfully ive never had to do it on a baby). The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering."
Will beat that in mind if ever I need to use it. I think it’s very rare a member of public would need to. But knowing recovery position and checking/ clearing the airways is essential these days with young ones , I’ve done that 4-5 times on kids (not my own!) while waiting for an ambulance. | |||
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" We were told doing it on Annie is fairly realistic in terms of pressure & that you shouldn’t need to break ribs ??! Id disagree. Annie shows you the basics, especially the ideal depth of the compressions, checking airways, and doing the chin lift/spine stretch. But nothing like real life. And we've always been told if you hear the ribs crack, you are doing it right. The only time ive never cracked ribs was when performing CPR toddlers (thankfully ive never had to do it on a baby). The LAS (London Ambulance Service) have a machine that does chest compressions for them (i cant remember its correct name). Watching that thing work is brutal. The rib cage really does take a battering." It's called the Luca device. Used 1 today with critical care Dr's. Used for 90 mins. Sadly still not a good outcome. | |||
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