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By *hat Bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

Harrogate

Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a strong believer that emotional intelligence opens more doors than intellectual intelligence, but maybe that says a lot about me x

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Not necessarily no

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Not necessarily

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By *0NyorksMan
over a year ago

.......

Not in my experience. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

There can be a huge distinction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats your definition of intelligence OP?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

No, plenty of uneducated people are intelligent and vice versa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a strong believer that emotional intelligence opens more doors than intellectual intelligence, but maybe that says a lot about me x"

I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London


"Whats your definition of intelligence OP? "

Mensa?

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By *anshee99Woman
over a year ago

all over

you can try and educate a thick person.. it doesn't necessarily make them intelligent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After all you can be educated in anything?

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Not necessarily. Intelligent doesn't equal educated either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

Nope. You can educate most people in most things if you try hard enough. Intelligence is innate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, there are plenty of 'well educated people' who have absolutely no common sense.

There are also plenty of people who don't have qualifications or degrees but are much better at their jobs and have an understanding or ability to understand things that their more educated peers cannot as easily if at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely not, I knew a lot of high achievers in school and college but outside of the classrooms they were as thick as two planks.

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

Nope. There are many variations of education, and of intelligence.

Mrs TMN x

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

This question comes up a lot.

I know extremely intelligent people who have limited or no education, those with A levels, degrees or PhDs. I also know some idiots in each of these categories too.

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By *ornsMan
over a year ago

west Midlands

I know some very educated idiots, hell some even run our country lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the most intelligent people I know failed all their exams and became bricklayers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there's innate intelligence and then there's the shit you learn. I've learned a lot of shit that's made me more intelligent not just for knowledge sake but because it makes me think and adjust my behaviour to get a better result in life. Conflict management is an example, I'm the same person I was before I took the course, but I'd say I'm a better person now for the knowledge it gave me and how I so things differently on occasion....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This question comes up a lot.

I know extremely intelligent people who have limited or no education, those with A levels, degrees or PhDs. I also know some idiots in each of these categories too. "

Some very intelligent friends have zero common sense... And zero life skills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely if people excel in stem subjects. There is a level you get to in mathematics that requires all the attributes you would associate with intelligence.

I have always thought of intelligence as being split in the population between intellectual and social.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, there are plenty of 'well educated people' who have absolutely no common sense.

There are also plenty of people who don't have qualifications or degrees but are much better at their jobs and have an understanding or ability to understand things that their more educated peers cannot as easily if at all."

I was just going to say about the common sense thing. Many very well educated people have absolutely no common sense or logic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think of intelligence in its genetic form in the sense that it is the capacity to learn and make sense of things (i.e. what's measured on an IQ test) then education has little impact on intelligence.

Education can however develop skills and give you a knowledge bank from which to use with your intelligence...

But emotional intelligence is a whole other ball game. Raw intelligence alone, without empathy, skills and life experience to compliment it is not really all that useful in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck no!

I know exceptionally well educated people with the common sense and general intelligence of a brick.

Education is nice and can be enriching but in no way is it an indicator of actual intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

If your meaning education in terms of all forms of learning then yes it does.

If your meaning education in terms of academic learning then no, that is just one form of intelligence.

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

No, I've seen graduates in the workplace who have a piece of paper saying they are qualified to do the job but when it comes to actually doing the job they can't tell their arse from their elbow, sometimes with dangerous results.

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By *ussieDaveMan
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

No, however intelligent people usually opt for becoming educated.

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By *iaisonseekerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Absolutely not. Exhibit A: Johnson, Boris.

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum


"No, however intelligent people usually opt for becoming educated."

People with access to adequate finances may opt for becoming educated. Intelligence alone is not enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Absolutely not. Exhibit A: Johnson, Boris."

Intelligence:the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Educated simply means you have been.

Quote all the names you like based on personal prejudice but were all educated and intelligent. Just some more than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, however intelligent people usually opt for becoming educated."

Only if they have the opportunity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Absolutely not. Exhibit A: Johnson, Boris."

Why aren't you prime minister then...? Surely you could outwit such an educated idiot and make the country a better place.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that.... "

I have an honours degree in history. My partner dropped out of university and was in the armed forces for most of his adult life. He is actively the most intelligent person I’ve ever known.

No one is bringing down intelligent or well educated people. We’re simply pointing out that education does not equate to intelligence.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"Absolutely not. Exhibit A: Johnson, Boris.

Intelligence:the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Educated simply means you have been.

Quote all the names you like based on personal prejudice but were all educated and intelligent. Just some more than others."

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By *ussieDaveMan
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

An IQ test is the least worst way we have of intellect measurement.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that.... "

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

No as we know of quite a few educated idiots.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense "

Oh and I'm still paying off my debts for choosing the career I have. My choice and I'd do it again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

I have an honours degree in history. My partner dropped out of university and was in the armed forces for most of his adult life. He is actively the most intelligent person I’ve ever known.

No one is bringing down intelligent or well educated people. We’re simply pointing out that education does not equate to intelligence. "

I disagree and I disagree, but I that's ok my love, were allowed to. In a way that's almost my definition of emotional intelligence....

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

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"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that.... "

I'd agree with this. Reverse snobbery is quite common on the fora isn't it though? Yes, of course you can have educated people who have no emotional intelligence, no street smarts etc. Life and people aren't this dichotomy that's so oft touted on here though is it? You *can* be highly educated and intelligent as well. You don't lose the ability to be intelligent because you gain a few letters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

I have an honours degree in history. My partner dropped out of university and was in the armed forces for most of his adult life. He is actively the most intelligent person I’ve ever known.

No one is bringing down intelligent or well educated people. We’re simply pointing out that education does not equate to intelligence.

I disagree and I disagree, but I that's ok my love, were allowed to. In a way that's almost my definition of emotional intelligence.... "

Of course that’s why we can debate like adults

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By *iaisonseekerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Absolutely not. Exhibit A: Johnson, Boris.

Why aren't you prime minister then...? Surely you could outwit such an educated idiot and make the country a better place..... "

But like Coolio, I'm an educated fool with money on my mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, plenty of uneducated people are intelligent and vice versa"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i've worked with enough privately schooled guys to know that an education does not always buy you intelligence...what it bought them was better access to a better education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense "

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time.

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By *hedark_knightMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Education in what sense though? But I don’t think it does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think education is a method to obtain intelligence but not the only way and being educated does not, in itself, lead to intelligence.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

One of the most intelligent, quick-witted and thoughtful (in the sense of being a deep thinker) people I know had no taste for academia and dropped out after GCSEs. I have multiple degrees and a raft of post grad qualifications, doesn't make me more intelligent it's just that I have a natural taste (and thankfully aptitude) for academia.

Intelligence isn't defined by academic success for a whole raft of reasons.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time."

In all honesty I am more intelligent following gaining my PhD. Yes I would still have been bright had I not gained it. But it taught me how to think, solve problems whilst mid experiment, to critically analyse world class scientists work; it pushed me to my absolute limit of learning. And I'm better for it, all those transferable skills I also use in daily life. This is my own personal experience in education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol I’m educated but not intelligent!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time.

In all honesty I am more intelligent following gaining my PhD. Yes I would still have been bright had I not gained it. But it taught me how to think, solve problems whilst mid experiment, to critically analyse world class scientists work; it pushed me to my absolute limit of learning. And I'm better for it, all those transferable skills I also use in daily life. This is my own personal experience in education. "

Thats because education teaches us to apply our intelligence....states the obvious.

Perhaps the people making sweeping statements about any background ( there's a few digs above) are the ones who should self assess?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are people who are both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time.

In all honesty I am more intelligent following gaining my PhD. Yes I would still have been bright had I not gained it. But it taught me how to think, solve problems whilst mid experiment, to critically analyse world class scientists work; it pushed me to my absolute limit of learning. And I'm better for it, all those transferable skills I also use in daily life. This is my own personal experience in education. "

I managed to be an IT Manager for a large company by 23 and then owned and ran a succesful car tuning company in my early thirties.

Although I'd probably have a better/easier understanding of maths and physics involved in the vehicle tuning world I've never really struggled as I've found the information I've needed or formed my own conclusions (admittedly I have those to thank that did the academic reasearch in the former case).

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral


"No, however intelligent people usually opt for becoming educated.

Only if they have the opportunity?"

Oh yes, and haven't been deterred by poor experiences at school. One of my cousins is dyslexic. Because of our age he was just considered a bit slow and left to his own devices (late 70s, a different era). By the time anyone realised what the issue was it was too late; he hated school and couldn't wait to leave.

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By *hat Bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

Harrogate


"Whats your definition of intelligence OP? "

The innate ability to understand ( in its rawest terms). Whereas educated means you have been taught.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time.

In all honesty I am more intelligent following gaining my PhD. Yes I would still have been bright had I not gained it. But it taught me how to think, solve problems whilst mid experiment, to critically analyse world class scientists work; it pushed me to my absolute limit of learning. And I'm better for it, all those transferable skills I also use in daily life. This is my own personal experience in education.

Thats because education teaches us to apply our intelligence....states the obvious.

Perhaps the people making sweeping statements about any background ( there's a few digs above) are the ones who should self assess?"

You stated it better than me education does unlocked intelligence. I wouldn't want to lay foundations of a house without someone educating me how to do so. We all learn from someone, our parents educate how to speak, use the loo etc. Education is not necessarily a university, education is learning how to do things in the most efficient way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be an advantage to act dumb and watch others who think they are clever screw up.

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By *hat Bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

Harrogate


"No, however intelligent people usually opt for becoming educated."

That I believe is very true

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

No one told Isaac Newton how to calculate the distance from the Earth to the Sun, if anyone here can figure that out for themselves then the answer may be yes otherwise intelligence always wins but intelligent people need to educate

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay


"It can be an advantage to act dumb and watch others who think they are clever screw up.

"

Oh that's very true but doesn't always mean they are demoted though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot if this thread is about what we're comfortable to accept about ourselves and our choices. I'm happy enough knowing I'm not the smartest bloke either on fab or in my friendship groups. I scraped through Uni, mainly because I was too busy enjoying my emotional intelligence in bars and clubs and at house parties. However I know that an education is a good and valuable thing and and it's an ongoing thing, right throughout life. I'm fortunate that my current employer agrees and educates me continuously in every aspect of life and business and I'm still learning things now even at my age that completely challenge my previous learnings and thoughts and improve my relationships with my fellow humans. Education is brilliant and it's not surprising that we all quite rightly strive to provide it for our kids from the moment they're born!

Don't knock it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don’t think it does.

But not everyone with a good education has terrible social skills. I think people assume you either have one or the other which is not true at all. It’s possible to have both. Or in my case, without wanting to brag, neither

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a god, so educated or not my intelligence is immeasurable. Zeus.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

One word answers this: Trump.

Boris is a very close second.

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London

Educated: what's your definition of such?

Intelligent: what's your definition of such?

Can't equate ambiguous variables!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

I know plenty of people who are well educated but not necessarily that intelligent and plenty who are intelligent but not well educated.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Nope!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, most of education it about learning how to write an answer to a guideline. Sad truth of the education system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know plenty of people who are well educated but not necessarily that intelligent and plenty who are intelligent but not well educated. "

But do you know the unicorn in this scenario?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

Simply, no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can be educated but not apply what you have learned. Equally you can be intelligent but have little knowledge.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

I also know people who are intelligent but have little common sense!

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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago

S. Northants

Intelligence is subjective to the task in hand.

Years ago there was an argument that David Beckham was highly intelligent, although maybe not highly educated or academic. However, he knew precisely how to hit the ball, with the correct force and angles needed to get the desired effect. You could study books all day and still not pull off the shots he did.

It comes down to what you're applying your knowledge to and how well you do so for a desired result.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

The general consensus appears to be NO.

I concur with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haaa, nope! Education is great, but will only get you so far until the need for experience shows through.

Intelligence is the combiation of education and experience, in my eyes.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"you can try and educate a thick person.. it doesn't necessarily make them intelligent "

This is true, education comes largely through your family and community - role models, support at school and help navigating and choosing uni, financial support is a small part. Opening up university and giving grants to disadvantaged kids shows this, unless the parents have been through the system the kids don’t really benefit , they often make bad choices and dint progress , but you do get social mobility happening in the next generation as they can advise their own kids better.

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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago

S. Northants


"Haaa, nope! Education is great, but will only get you so far until the need for experience shows through.

Intelligence is the combiation of education and experience, in my eyes."

I can second that. I work in an environment where individuals pass exams on the knowledge to become supervisors, but don't have the intelligence or know how to do what they're supervising, because they mainly lack the experience.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Intelligence is subjective to the task in hand.

Years ago there was an argument that David Beckham was highly intelligent, although maybe not highly educated or academic. However, he knew precisely how to hit the ball, with the correct force and angles needed to get the desired effect. You could study books all day and still not pull off the shots he did.

It comes down to what you're applying your knowledge to and how well you do so for a desired result. "

This argument was dismissed by Gladwell theory of 10000 hours. He detailed many famous examples, including Beckham, proving if you do something for 10,000 hours , in beckhams case playing football around 5 hours a day every day for 10 years , you are almost guaranteed to become world class

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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago

S. Northants


"Intelligence is subjective to the task in hand.

Years ago there was an argument that David Beckham was highly intelligent, although maybe not highly educated or academic. However, he knew precisely how to hit the ball, with the correct force and angles needed to get the desired effect. You could study books all day and still not pull off the shots he did.

It comes down to what you're applying your knowledge to and how well you do so for a desired result.

This argument was dismissed by Gladwell theory of 10000 hours. He detailed many famous examples, including Beckham, proving if you do something for 10,000 hours , in beckhams case playing football around 5 hours a day every day for 10 years , you are almost guaranteed to become world class"

Just because you practice at something doesn't mean you're not intelligent in the subject. You have to process what you did and how to improve on it. If I did something for 10000 hours I'd hope I'd know it inside out and be able explain and share that wisdom. To me that's a form of intelligence.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Intelligence is subjective to the task in hand.

Years ago there was an argument that David Beckham was highly intelligent, although maybe not highly educated or academic. However, he knew precisely how to hit the ball, with the correct force and angles needed to get the desired effect. You could study books all day and still not pull off the shots he did.

It comes down to what you're applying your knowledge to and how well you do so for a desired result.

This argument was dismissed by Gladwell theory of 10000 hours. He detailed many famous examples, including Beckham, proving if you do something for 10,000 hours , in beckhams case playing football around 5 hours a day every day for 10 years , you are almost guaranteed to become world class"

Aren't you talking about a level of profiency in a skill.?id have said a skill proficiency is very different to an education and different again to any form of intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a good education but I’m severely lacking in a number of intelligences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Intelligence is subjective to the task in hand.

Years ago there was an argument that David Beckham was highly intelligent, although maybe not highly educated or academic. However, he knew precisely how to hit the ball, with the correct force and angles needed to get the desired effect. You could study books all day and still not pull off the shots he did.

It comes down to what you're applying your knowledge to and how well you do so for a desired result.

This argument was dismissed by Gladwell theory of 10000 hours. He detailed many famous examples, including Beckham, proving if you do something for 10,000 hours , in beckhams case playing football around 5 hours a day every day for 10 years , you are almost guaranteed to become world class"

When did a theory become fact?

What follow up studies happened, did they come to the same conclusion with measured proof?

To (almost) blindly accept a theory as fact cannot be intelligent can it?

You also need to take into account that pure repeatibility is unlikely to be a factor as he scored goals from all over the pitch with differing parts of his body, he took into account different playing conditions, humidity, wind, playing surface condition/hardness, different specifications of football, etc.

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

Yes, there is a distinction, educated only equal intelligent, when applied, knowing does nothing beside ego boost. But applying brings about other challenges and lessons. You could be as educated in a subject as Albert Einstein and be place in a situation or environment that does not allow you to apply your intelligent.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

Firstly, I think you need to clarify what you define as intelligence.

My personal opinion is that intelligence is fundamentally the ability to work things out, solve problems, and understand "things".

On the other hand though education is the acquisition of knowledge. Although knowledge can give the illusion of intelligence but in the absence of understanding, reasoning and critical thinking knowledge has limited application beyond winning quizzes.

The flip side though to this, is that intelligence also tends to drive the thirst for knowledge so intelligent people are often well educated & knowledgeable too.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple answer.... NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not necessarily. I ve known people with education but no real practicality in life..they just have facts and statistics that rarely serve any use. I like intelligence that is understood. Lets say its someone that has read the Iliad and can quote lines. If they cant discuss its roots etc wheres the enjoyment. Thats just an example. I ve known people that can quote every instruction on the perfect cement mix but actually have no idea about it as an actual practical mix. Whats the point in knowing what first aid is required if you can t actually put a bandage on correctly...get my drift?

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By *irewolffMan
over a year ago

Dublin

2 different things IMO. I am what you would call higher educated, MrD isnt. He is a smart man and knows alot more shit than me.

Intelligence you have in you. Educated is an external source of knowledge.

MsD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No education can be wasted on some people.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Definitely not in my experience..All been said really...

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By *ryingitout19Man
over a year ago

Wales

Nope some of the ‘cleverest’ people I know have no bloody common sense!

For me intelligence is how you use your knowledge, not the knowledge itself!

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Nope some of the ‘cleverest’ people I know have no bloody common sense!

For me intelligence is how you use your knowledge, not the knowledge itself!"

Bit of both really. Some folk can just regurgitate facts, but for me intelligence is the ability to apply them.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

In far distant times I used to play Dungeons and Dragons

Two of the character statistics were Intelligence and Wisdom, quite separate from one another.

Being intelligent didn't make you wise, and to be wise you didn't have to be intelligent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In far distant times I used to play Dungeons and Dragons

Two of the character statistics were Intelligence and Wisdom, quite separate from one another.

Being intelligent didn't make you wise, and to be wise you didn't have to be intelligent "
well said dear chap perfectly summed things up buddy

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By *ibsonVicMan
over a year ago

Minworth


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two."

It depends on the person.

For example, Boris...

Some might be of the opinion:

Well educated - most certainly

Intelligent - no, not really.

I of course have no opionion on the matter

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Also, I'd note that it seems popular to hate on the clever ppl folk, like they're fair game, nobody ever seems to start threads saying are labourers as thick as they seem, look how much smarter than them I really am? Yet were happy to bring ppl down who have somehow climbed a little too far up the ladder for our own comfort. Shame that....

Totally is a reverse snobbery. I wasn't supposed to sit my GCSE's I did, I came from a deprived area. But because I choose to follow my dreams to become a scientist and got a PhD do do the job I wanted to do, I must therefore be either not a people person or lack common sense

I don't think any trait's/aspects are mutually exclusive but educated doesn't necessarily mean you are clever just as being educated doesn't make you a snob or lacking in common sense, would you be any 'less' clever if you hadn't gone on to do you PhD or just less knowledgeable or qualified?

As I believe, I was the only one in my school year in the whole educational region to get an A in my maths GCSE (first year of implementation) but I didn't go onto further education as it was more important for me to earn money at the time.

In all honesty I am more intelligent following gaining my PhD. Yes I would still have been bright had I not gained it. But it taught me how to think, solve problems whilst mid experiment, to critically analyse world class scientists work; it pushed me to my absolute limit of learning. And I'm better for it, all those transferable skills I also use in daily life. This is my own personal experience in education. "

Yes, combining both can lead to a sum greater than that of the parts.

The classic definition of intelligence is the innate ability to apply logic in a novel fashion, but we can learn to learn even more too.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"i've worked with enough privately schooled guys to know that an education does not always buy you intelligence...what it bought them was better access to a better education."

That's some torso btw lol!

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By *offee27Man
over a year ago

Wiltshire

Well I don't have any higher college education but I like to think so. Doing well at TV quizzes helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have often found that well educated or intelligent people have absolutely no common sense!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Just asking opinions as I am thinking there is a slight but distinct difference between the two.

Firstly, I think you need to clarify what you define as intelligence.

My personal opinion is that intelligence is fundamentally the ability to work things out, solve problems, and understand "things".

On the other hand though education is the acquisition of knowledge. Although knowledge can give the illusion of intelligence but in the absence of understanding, reasoning and critical thinking knowledge has limited application beyond winning quizzes.

The flip side though to this, is that intelligence also tends to drive the thirst for knowledge so intelligent people are often well educated & knowledgeable too.

Cal"

Education isn’t just acquisition of knowledge there’s various levels but broadly

Level 1 - knowledge

Level 2 - understanding

Level 3 - application

GCSE - A level type stuff

A good example is a L3 computer science exam question about flight scheduling , it assumes knowledge and understanding of time zones and coding and requires you to apply it and solve a problem

Above level 3 - debate, synthesis, formulation of new ideas and hypothesis , invention, right through to phD level , publishing, patenting ,creating new intellectual property

Education is a framework for developing intelligence , most people put through that system will become intelligent.

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By *iaisonseekerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"

Education isn’t just acquisition of knowledge there’s various levels but broadly

Level 1 - knowledge

Level 2 - understanding

Level 3 - application

GCSE - A level type stuff

A good example is a L3 computer science exam question about flight scheduling , it assumes knowledge and understanding of time zones and coding and requires you to apply it and solve a problem

Above level 3 - debate, synthesis, formulation of new ideas and hypothesis , invention, right through to phD level , publishing, patenting ,creating new intellectual property

Education is a framework for developing intelligence , most people put through that system will become intelligent.

"

I partly agree - education is about more than knowledge. It's also about teaching a method to apply to particular tasks: solving equations, writing an essay etc.

However, mastery of a method is not intelligence per se. If you've ever done jury service and seen a highly learned barrister plodding through the evidence without any insight, the difference is stark.

Often, the better someone is at a particular discipline, the less flexible their thinking is because they are trained to view the world through a particular prism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My definition of an intelligent person is someone who knows the extent of their own ignorance.

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

Theres a massive difference, educated (not always) can mean you can do a job but have no social or everyday knowledge and the other way round

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Theres a massive difference, educated (not always) can mean you can do a job but have no social or everyday knowledge and the other way round"

Yuu wot?

That's a lot of assumption. Pretty much anything in life can mean something, but this looks more opinion than evidence based.... ....so my GP is basically a social jellyfish then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Theres a massive difference, educated (not always) can mean you can do a job but have no social or everyday knowledge and the other way round

Yuu wot?

That's a lot of assumption. Pretty much anything in life can mean something, but this looks more opinion than evidence based.... ....so my GP is basically a social jellyfish then?"

Ohhhhbut you said not always in brackets so that means you can say anything and it's true. Damn that's intelligent! I'm so stupid....

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By *otmale5Man
over a year ago

glasgow

No, not always. I’ve known a few people with academic degrees , doctors .. absolutely no common sense..

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

So let me get this right education does not mean intelligent but common sense does. Now I have common sense in certain scenarios for example DIY but am a bit clueless when it comes to fixing my car. So does this mean I am intelligent or not?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Educated in what ?

To what level ?

I might be educated in shining my shoes before bed and perform that task very well.

If I was intelligent i'd have someone do it for me.

Educated and intelligent are not the same thing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

P.S.......

There is NO such thing as common sense.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"So let me get this right education does not mean intelligent but common sense does. Now I have common sense in certain scenarios for example DIY but am a bit clueless when it comes to fixing my car. So does this mean I am intelligent or not? "

Common sense and intelligence are different - many extremely intelligent people are 'geekily' lacking in common sense.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

A good education can bring out intelligence which otherwise might be hidden.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"So let me get this right education does not mean intelligent but common sense does. Now I have common sense in certain scenarios for example DIY but am a bit clueless when it comes to fixing my car. So does this mean I am intelligent or not?

Common sense and intelligence are different - many extremely intelligent people are 'geekily' lacking in common sense. "

I must be one of the lucky ones then, as I have both

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

Good education feeds an intellect. So regardless of natural capacity an intellect that isn't fed won't grow very well. Conversely an weeker intellect that is well nourished may well outgrow neglected natural ability. Thus why I think the fall out of this Covid-19 thing will be stumped social mobility party affected by educational opportunities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, not always. I’ve known a few people with academic degrees , doctors .. absolutely no common sense.. "

An example? Simply because they didn't fit in with others mindsets? A lot of these comments seem to have their origin in reverse snobbery or insecurities I think.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"No, not always. I’ve known a few people with academic degrees , doctors .. absolutely no common sense..

An example? Simply because they didn't fit in with others mindsets? A lot of these comments seem to have their origin in reverse snobbery or insecurities I think."

I agree I mean a surgeon must have a modicum of common sense, cause if shit goes wrong in theatre it's them who is sorting it out. Everyone has a different skill set and it should be celebrated not looked down upon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought about this more and it is possible to be very sociable and lose that skill. Depression over a long period of time is one way I have witnessed that happen. Just as we learn in class we learn at home.

Intelligence must be the mark of people who adapt and learn quickly be it in a classroom or a new work environment, dynamically different group of people to socialise with. You could be excelling in a classroom but have a very different upbringing, not really developing social skills but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t learn if you wanted to.

I think the thing with intelligence is you can sense it in people. The range of knowledge a human can acquire and the range of social settings and differences in the world make it a very hard thing to assess.

IMO after a little think

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By *reeneggsandsamMan
over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

I once got out of the shower and was drying my legs when I realized that I was standing on the towel. I lifted my foot and punched myself in the bollocks. I've got an education too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I once got out of the shower and was drying my legs when I realized that I was standing on the towel. I lifted my foot and punched myself in the bollocks. I've got an education too. "

We have all gotta learn the hard way 8

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, take a look at Boris.

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By *hat Bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

Harrogate

There have been some great insights and points of view on this thread. Thank you to everyone who has contributed. One thing I am sure of is there are some very intelligent people on this site.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH


"So let me get this right education does not mean intelligent but common sense does. Now I have common sense in certain scenarios for example DIY but am a bit clueless when it comes to fixing my car. So does this mean I am intelligent or not? "

Definitely. You lack knowledge of the workings of a car have but have the intelligence to leave it the fuck alone.

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By *veready69Man
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

Intellect is an innate cognitive skill in reasoning. The ability to understand presented facts and to elaborate logical conclusions from them. Education will give you knowlege and practice will bring experience. The sum effect is wisdom, the application of intellect, knowledge and experience.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No, they are different, as you see well evidenced in our cabinet. Intelligence is poorly understppd still

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"P.S.......

There is NO such thing as common sense."

Common sense litters this thread! Imho it's that bullshit manufactured by the have nots out of insecurity and designed to bring others back to their level if they dare to escape the heard mentality or try to improve themselves..... It's very telling that it rarely seems to be used in reference to someone in that have not group - for example when did you last year someone say "that bin man has no common sense does he, what a twit!", yet those doctors on the other hand, who are clearly ridiculously both intelligent and knowledgeable and have the most amazing social skills to be able to deal with absolutely any member of society and generally put up with unwarranted abuse and prejudice from ppl who don't know yet assume - oh the doctors are idiots with no common sense, right? Coming from the right source that phrase can actually be a compliment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not at all in my opinion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"P.S.......

There is NO such thing as common sense.

Common sense litters this thread! Imho it's that bullshit manufactured by the have nots out of insecurity and designed to bring others back to their level if they dare to escape the heard mentality or try to improve themselves..... It's very telling that it rarely seems to be used in reference to someone in that have not group - for example when did you last year someone say "that bin man has no common sense does he, what a twit!", yet those doctors on the other hand, who are clearly ridiculously both intelligent and knowledgeable and have the most amazing social skills to be able to deal with absolutely any member of society and generally put up with unwarranted abuse and prejudice from ppl who don't know yet assume - oh the doctors are idiots with no common sense, right? Coming from the right source that phrase can actually be a compliment! "

Would ppl use the terms common sexuality, common race, common ability, common weight, common appearance, common state of mental health so freely? Common sense is essentially saying "it's good to think like me and all the others who agree with me" isn't it? And that (to me at least) seems pretty narrow minded and not particularly intelligent....

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

No.

Highly educated people often lack common sense.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Dianne Abbott she’s educated but comes across as a complete dumb fuck

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By *ickdasterdly51Man
over a year ago

Lingfield

Funny, I was just about to say that Boris Johnson went to Eton so is obviously very well educated!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"P.S.......

There is NO such thing as common sense.

Common sense litters this thread! Imho it's that bullshit manufactured by the have nots out of insecurity and designed to bring others back to their level if they dare to escape the heard mentality or try to improve themselves..... It's very telling that it rarely seems to be used in reference to someone in that have not group - for example when did you last year someone say "that bin man has no common sense does he, what a twit!", yet those doctors on the other hand, who are clearly ridiculously both intelligent and knowledgeable and have the most amazing social skills to be able to deal with absolutely any member of society and generally put up with unwarranted abuse and prejudice from ppl who don't know yet assume - oh the doctors are idiots with no common sense, right? Coming from the right source that phrase can actually be a compliment! "

Fanks nippy,saved me having to type similar when I was supposed to be doing something else. Almost fabbed your ass.

There's folk out there way more intelligent and and educated than I.

I look up to them, just like I look up to Geraint Thomas for winning the Tour de France.

Just because someone considering the complexity of treatment for a closed pneumothorax, tries to open an inward opening door outwardly doesn't mean they lack anything. Maybe they were thinking of greater things than Tracey calling michele a slag on Tiktok?

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

This thread reminds me a bit of being called a swot by other kids in school. Because I did do the extra work my teachers set or because I actually liked reading a lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread reminds me a bit of being called a swot by other kids in school. Because I did do the extra work my teachers set or because I actually liked reading a lot "

Aye but you get the last laugh and options?

How many people unhappy with their lot, have formed the possible link with them not taking education seriously and being stuck in life.

Knowledge dispels fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread reminds me a bit of being called a swot by other kids in school. Because I did do the extra work my teachers set or because I actually liked reading a lot "

It's not a great advert for the human race really is it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"P.S.......

There is NO such thing as common sense.

Common sense litters this thread! Imho it's that bullshit manufactured by the have nots out of insecurity and designed to bring others back to their level if they dare to escape the heard mentality or try to improve themselves..... It's very telling that it rarely seems to be used in reference to someone in that have not group - for example when did you last year someone say "that bin man has no common sense does he, what a twit!", yet those doctors on the other hand, who are clearly ridiculously both intelligent and knowledgeable and have the most amazing social skills to be able to deal with absolutely any member of society and generally put up with unwarranted abuse and prejudice from ppl who don't know yet assume - oh the doctors are idiots with no common sense, right? Coming from the right source that phrase can actually be a compliment!

Fanks nippy,saved me having to type similar when I was supposed to be doing something else. Almost fabbed your ass.

There's folk out there way more intelligent and and educated than I.

I look up to them, just like I look up to Geraint Thomas for winning the Tour de France.

Just because someone considering the complexity of treatment for a closed pneumothorax, tries to open an inward opening door outwardly doesn't mean they lack anything. Maybe they were thinking of greater things than Tracey calling michele a slag on Tiktok? "

Michelle probably has no common sense though, she almost certainly deserves it.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I spend most of my time unlearning all the shit I’ve learned over the years. I must be getting less intelligent now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Common sense is not texting whilst driving, not changing a light bulb with wet hands, not using a chop saw with your fingers past the blade, not balancing on an unstable plank to paint a window frame.. Not rocket science or anything much to do with academia...

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By *oreno0969Man
over a year ago

Rugby

I always say to my older brother (which does really annoy him) "dont forget you are the educated one and i am the knowledgable one"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe the two have subtle differences.

For example, my ex husband was an intellectual twit. A very clever man with letters after his name, with a brilliant brain within his field. However he couldn't do even the simplest of DIY tasks or work out how anything in everyday life worked.

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By *argaret James200TV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

Definitely not, common sense is intrinsic, education is acquired knowledge, some of the most stupid people I know have lots of qualifications but not enough sense to keep their fingers out of the fire and some of the biggest millionaires left school early, all a qualification tells you is you can acquire knowledge, intelligence is the ability to use it. The fire burns is education not putting your finger in the second time is intelligence.

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