FabSwingers.com forum: TV sand TS in same cat

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together!

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

What's the difference?

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"What's the difference? "

Yes OP..please do tell us.

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By *achel for Group FunTV/TS
over a year ago

Carlisle

I think they should start a message board for this. Seems a thread is started every week saying the same thing. Always a good read tho with the variety of views lol.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Yes. Made me wonder if it's just trolling to make us fight against one another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A transvestite can be either Male or female. A transgender person is not a transvestite I do not and never have classed myself as a transvestite

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories."

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

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By *lackwoodGentMan
over a year ago

Pontllanfraith

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category? "

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?"

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?"

Selena you are legally a woman so quite rightly on here as a woman. A lot of people that transitioning are not legally women and possibly don't have any documentation.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

I have to say I think they should be separate.

I do realise that the general public can often have a very dim and frankly bigoted view of crossdressers, sometimes deservedly so.

A trans person being lumped in with this often gets tarred with the same brush as a guy wearing his wife's knickers for kicks. They are nothing alike at all, one does it for a little pleasure for themselves and the other is trying their hardest to fit in and be accepted by society and the negative views of many hinder them being accepted.

If there was a separate section for trans people I'd be a huge fan of it as I'm not like them, years of thinking I was and the sudden realisation that I'm just a guy in a dress gave me a real appreciation of how hard not just transitioning is but being accepted.

Give trans people their own gender status on here please, they do deserve it.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?"

Not every transgender woman lives full time or has legally changed their name. What we are doing is absolutely right. You are identifying as a woman which is what you are. So how would separate TV and TS (or TG) sections work? x

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?"

If you identify as a woman and you class yourself as a woman on your profile why are you bothered?

Why not do away with Tv/TS and replace it with Trans.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

That's correct and that's why the line blurs as different trans people will always be at very different stages of their journey. I'm trans, I don't identify as a bloke in a dress and hate presenting myself in male mode, but I don't live full time and no desire to transition just yet for private reasons which I won't show here.

I have other very early stage non full time trans friends and other full time trans friends that won't be having the op.

There are just so many blurred lines. Yes, we are all different from those CDs who just put on a pair of stockings or an old pair of knickers and don't present themselves as female in any way. Maybe their should be a separate category for those types?

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I was of the same opinion as I viewed girls who had transitioned as different to me. They have had a totally different emotional journey. Perhaps a category for "trans women" might work.

Having said that I'm sure they would be arguments over who qualified for that.

At the end of the day Fab always ignore these posts anyway so it's all irrelevant.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I have other very early stage non full time trans friends and other full time trans friends that won't be having the op.

This x

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I was of the same opinion as I viewed girls who had transitioned as different to me. They have had a totally different emotional journey. Perhaps a category for "trans women" might work.

Having said that I'm sure they would be arguments over who qualified for that.

At the end of the day Fab always ignore these posts anyway so it's all irrelevant.

You're right Gloria but we are all different stage. For fully transitioned girls then this argument is kind of irrelevant. They are women. No question about it.

But the whole separation of TV/TS is a hard one which is I think the reason that fab ignores it

We should have a separate section for hairy pantie wearers though

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I have other very early stage non full time trans friends and other full time trans friends that won't be having the op.

And where does it end then?

What would really help most is people reading profiles and maybe a set of guidelines for us on here to help us say what we are and where we're at that others may understand more clearly.

Me, I worked out a few years ago that I'm not trans and finally realised i dont want to transition.

It made me a happier guy too.

You'll see me at my most confident dressed for a night out and I love having that but have no desire to be found in Tesco's in full Sophie mode.

I have nothing but admiration and support for anyone who has the guts to be who they are, it can be a hellish journey for some to be themselves and if I can do my bit somehow then I will x

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I have other very early stage non full time trans friends and other full time trans friends that won't be having the op.

And where does it end then?

What would really help most is people reading profiles and maybe a set of guidelines for us on here to help us say what we are and where we're at that others may understand more clearly."

Yep and that's exactly the point Sophie. Where does it end?

But I do love your original and novel idea of people actually reading people's profiles. I wonder if it'll actually catch on one day, solves a lot of confusion doesn't it

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By *.W CPLCouple
over a year ago

PRESTON

Well I'm glad I don't have an opinion in this minefield we are all human apart from that one person who identifies as a genderless alien so I say don't matter what you are to me xx

Ste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always thought they were separate as you cant have a pre-OP or post-op transvestite. I want to become a tv but not identify as a woman as I want to keep my best friend attached

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By *ressed4fun03TV/TS
over a year ago

Midlands

I dont know what to call myself, all I know is i look pretty slutty when im fully dressed as a girl x

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By *lana Honey-LingusTV/TS
over a year ago

bolton

I personally have no thoughts about transitioning due to personal reasons, but I am fully hairless at all times and shop for my own clothes, makeup, heels etc. When I dress, I try to look as feminine as possible because that’s how I want to feel and know that being a female is deep down part of me.

I don’t class myself as a hairy panty wearer, I just class me as me and at the end of the day surely that’s all that matters.

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By *issdanielleroseTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

Yeah would definitely be good to have more categories in my opinion, i personally don’t know exactly how I identify. When I’m in male mode I’m very masculine and when I’m en femme very girly and smooth and feminine. So I don’t think crossdresser or transvestite, but I’m not a trans woman either. I guess maybe bi gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many versions of us are there, what between CD, TV, TS and gender fluid.... the list seems to be endless. Even if admin did think about splitting this lot into separate boxes how would it be regulated, someone has already asked that.

Personally I see less difference between those who live as males but present occasionally as female and transexuals than with crossdressers who have a beard and hairy legs under a pair of holdups they have bought from Tesco. It all seems too much of a minefield

Possibly rather than splitting us all up there could be some extra filters added for the TVS option?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No. The current system is as highly appropriate, as it has been for many years. Our self-identification is a matter for us alone and is not to be done for the benefit of anyone else, such as their convenience.

Cis-gendered people do not face the same harassment, health and other risks that we may do. Our journeys may be fraught with disappointments, barriers and we may have to take decisions that prevent us from gaining our appropriate identity. It's not for us to be pressured to have to disclose anything more publicly than we may at any point choose to do. It is right that our gender is a legal 'protected characteristic' and anyone or any organisation that decides to not respect that is breaking the law.

Fab is continuing to use the appropriate format for us to use its service. For more information and viewpoints, see the many forum posts on this same subject.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"No. The current system is as highly appropriate, as it has been for many years. Our self-identification is a matter for us alone and is not to be done for the benefit of anyone else, such as their convenience.

Fab is continuing to use the appropriate format for us to use its service. For more information and viewpoints, see the many forum posts on this same subject. "

this is pretty much the perfect answer. So succinct. Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

There are some TS's not just on here but elsewhere who choose to stay non op, where would they fit in as they're neither cd nor female?

I agree it's a minefield but surely there should be some separation.

I have other very early stage non full time trans friends and other full time trans friends that won't be having the op.

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By *argaret James200TV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories."

So your advocating what, that a trans lady that has just started transition is in one category until she graduated to a better category or maybe we have Tranny 1, Tranny 2 and then there we go TS. So if you start transition and then can't face surgery your an imposter, how about someone who has lived all there life as a boy but turns out to be a girl a label is for lockers not people, god forbid you should be duel personality maybe label tranny on the front and TS on the back how about breast implants but keep the dick. Narrow minds.

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By *ayde164TV/TS
over a year ago

Manchester

"What's the difference? "

Fuck all tbh the only difference is lifestyle choice. Makes me laugh those who claim to be above that as they are usually more balanced “a chip on both shoulders”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In north of ireland they are just all men in womens clothes not ts at all

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It is unlawful for service providers to provide a service that discriminates or harasses trans people. (See my earlier post, with broader details and points). It is similarly unlawful for others to harass trans people. I would be very angry should anyone dictate that I should use a service in a duscriminatory way, perhaps by forcing public disclosure of my trans journey, for their benefit.

The current fab approach is reasonable and fairly appropriate for me as a transgender woman and it should stay as it is.

I'm here for my benefit, to develop relationships with those that I wish to. I have a simple life and I'm open with those that I choose to be so with.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together! "
what is maddening even more is this old chestnut cropping up time and time again. It's time it was given the old heave ho once and for all The tv/ts gategory is a small minority group anyway so why split it up anymore.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Why not start a gender neutral category then you can basically call yourself whatever you want. Oh yes let's open up a real can of worms shall we. Let's have 76 or more different categories shall we. For God's sake come on. Why is it some ts think they are something special and some tend to look down on a TV. I'm happy to share the category. So what's, the problem. We have shared this category since this site began. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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By *obbie BelleTV/TS
over a year ago

Preston, Lancaster, Blackpool

Oh dear all fallen for it again.

The OP is "straight"

Just ignore.

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By *ervously excitedCouple
over a year ago

perranporth

So happy for the clarification. From the title I thought this was a bestiality post

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By *reedyannaTV/TS
over a year ago

Swaffham

I think the OP was just pissed that his TV/TS date didn’t have a pair of D cup under skin tits, they came in a box and that spoilt his fantasy meet ...

We’re all different and at different points on the trans spectrum; some wear knickers and stockings for a sexual thrill, some of us are femme as much as we can be but not full time for whatever reason and there are those who need to go for the full transition including lower surgery.

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By *amaraBeaverbankWoman
over a year ago

Benidorm Spain

As A straight cis woman I feel it’s not my place to really comment, but my only concern in mixing the category is the way so many bigoted, narrow minded people see trans women as a man in a dress even now, so putting this along side cross dressers who dress femme for their own pleasure and are not TG might blur lines further.

If our trans brothers and sisters here are happy with the category, surely that’s the only thing that matters.

Would help if people actually read profiles though. Might help save a lot of hurt feelings

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Very rarely venture into to Transexual posts. However in my opinion where are we in the modern world ?

When a Man or Woman has fully transitioned they are now the opposite sex. So on here, can class them selves as a woman/man. Obviously they may want to add to their profile they changed their sex.

Who actually goes into this sub category for TS, just pre op guys or girls ? Or TV who are considering changing sex ? Can someone who has changed sex stay within the category ?

Ultimately we are a minority on this website, I have a lot of empathy with anyone who is struggling with their gender issues. Prefer to be allied with them than separate to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very rarely venture into to Transexual posts. However in my opinion where are we in the modern world ?

When a Man or Woman has fully transitioned they are now the opposite sex. So on here, can class them selves as a woman/man. Obviously they may want to add to their profile they changed their sex.

Who actually goes into this sub category for TS, just pre op guys or girls ? Or TV who are considering changing sex ? Can someone who has changed sex stay within the category ?

Ultimately we are a minority on this website, I have a lot of empathy with anyone who is struggling with their gender issues. Prefer to be allied with them than separate to them

That’s why I don’t belong in any category other than a woman.

I’m not “A chick with a dick “ or a “SheMale”..... loads of guys want that fantasy

I’m not in any way part of that so I steer well away. I hate the mixing of TV/ TS as a category on here or any other site.

My passport is for a female. That is what I am.

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

I couldn't agree more!!! Huge difference, although some Tv's think differently....

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

Agreed

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

Brilliantly said babe xx

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

There are, in my oppinion lots of differences. Being a TS we go through so much shit, because we go full time (most) at the end of the day, hormones and ffs makes a big difference in both looks and physically.....I best not say more.!!

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By *S chanel demarTV/TS
over a year ago

peterborough

Well said x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All these forum threads on this subject just cause friction and division,is that what those who start them seek ? After all the op shows no interest in the subject of this thread on profile

Just be yourself,you know who or what you are regardless of what others may think you need to classified as

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By *artyanna16200TV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Yes well maybe that is a possibility , i have immeasurable love and respect for my lbgtq sisters and brothers , and my kind and sensitive straight mates on here and beyond , we are all human beings with love at our core and combat in common. Lets always seek quorum over conflict .

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By *opite 5Man
over a year ago

Bangor

Ts's take hormones to do all they can to be feminine and to look as girlie as possible, hair, tits, soft skin, voice change, hormones so no facial hair can grow etc. Tv's don't do any of these, they throw a wig on, put make up on, throw womans clothes on & a set of high heels, that's it.

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

I as others have said reserve my opinion on the subject as all these topics do is cause arguement and animosity between the various groups. However as a TV I would like to point out that I, and a lot of members like myself, do not throw anything on at all and do make some effort so don't tar all of us with the same brush!

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I have a TV friend who is planning on transitioning so I guess she’s pre trans. I also have a trans female friend who can’t have the operation due to previously having cancer. She lives full time as a female and has done a lot of work within the LGBT community.

To me they are my female friends regardless of anything else. It’s the person that’s important not what is underneath their clothes.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Your ignorance is staggering!

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

These posts are always decisive and cause upset.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category?

Would it need policing or could people self identify?

Yeah. I could just show them my passport Selena is my legal name and I have a female driving licence and passport

My profile is shown as ( Woman) because that is what I am

A tv wont be showing any of that ?

If you identify as a woman and you class yourself as a woman on your profile why are you bothered?

Why not do away with Tv/TS and replace it with Trans."
Yes trans is good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories."

Don't transpeople belong in the woman / man category?

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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Keep your comments to the forum and not send abusive messages!

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Ts's take hormones to do all they can to be feminine and to look as girlie as possible, hair, tits, soft skin, voice change, hormones so no facial hair can grow etc. Tv's don't do any of these, they throw a wig on, put make up on, throw womans clothes on & a set of high heels, that's it. "
you have no idea at all. I walk, talk, sound, act feminine. i don't need bloody hormone treatment for that. I don't have facial or body hair.coming out with thick comments like that really shows just how, stupid some people really are about the TV /ts scene

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im confused!

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By *.A.MGUY55Man
over a year ago

Rochdale

"A transvestite can be either Male or female. A transgender person is not a transvestite I do not and never have classed myself as a transvestite "

110% gorgeous xxxx

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough."

Wow you're very wrong.

I'm a tv cd whatever and the last thing I want is a man..any man.

I like women

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By *amaraBeaverbankWoman
over a year ago

Benidorm Spain

Sophie you beat me to it!

What I’m seeing is a lot of judgement, on a forum we all could well be judged on being part of.

Yes there are parts of tv/ts we don’t understand but please can we all be a little more respectful?

I’ve been a straight woman who has been involved quite heavily with the gay scene and LGBT+ scene for more than 30 years and there are parts of the scene, and subcultures working that, that I don’t fully grasp but I do my best to try.

End of the day, gender, sexuality, belief and religious whatever.. we all bleed, breath and go for a shit!

Let’s just be a wee bit nicer to each other and try to understand other people just are who they are x

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By *andlingswingersCouple
over a year ago

Woodbridge

Exactly. If you're not intending to have sex with someone it's not really anyone else's business what they dress as or what their name used to be.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough."
wrong wrong wrong. I'm not a gay man ignorance is a wonderful virtue for many

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Sophie you beat me to it!

What I’m seeing is a lot of judgement, on a forum we all could well be judged on being part of.

Yes there are parts of tv/ts we don’t understand but please can we all be a little more respectful?

End of the day, gender, sexuality, belief and religious whatever.. we all bleed, breath and go for a shit!

Let’s just be a wee bit nicer to each other and try to understand other people just are who they are x"

This xxx

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough."

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together! "

What worries me is putting them in the woman category

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?"

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay).

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

My post seems to have upset a few, but it needn't have!

Let me rephrase; if you are a male, looking for women, then simply enter that into fab. If you are man seeking men, simply add that. What has TV got to do with it?

Let's say I decide to wear women's clothes, should I change my category? No! I'm still a male looking for women. It's that simple!

If you start adding categories, things can quickly get out of control. Essentially, if you are a guy who's looking for men, that's all fab needs to know. Most people will consider that to be gay. I don't see the need for the TV category at all.

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"My post seems to have upset a few, but it needn't have!

Let me rephrase; if you are a male, looking for women, then simply enter that into fab. If you are man seeking men, simply add that. What has TV got to do with it?

Let's say I decide to wear women's clothes, should I change my category? No! I'm still a male looking for women. It's that simple!

But you can also class yourself as a woman looking for a woman if you identify your self as one

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

Wow you're very wrong.

I'm a tv cd whatever and the last thing I want is a man..any man.

I like women"

So then why are you TV? Why is that necessary? That's what the whole discussion is about.

Are you a man? If so then you're a man! If you're looking for women, then you're the same as me! The TV category isn't necessary. Just write in the description "I like to wear women's clothes". I don't see the problem.

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

Wow you're very wrong.

I'm a tv cd whatever and the last thing I want is a man..any man.

I like women

So then why are you TV? Why is that necessary? That's what the whole discussion is about.

You are just a small fish in the ocean.

Others are

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together!

What worries me is putting them in the woman category"

Why does it worry you?

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"My post seems to have upset a few, but it needn't have!

Let me rephrase; if you are a male, looking for women, then simply enter that into fab. If you are man seeking men, simply add that. What has TV got to do with it?

Let's say I decide to wear women's clothes, should I change my category? No! I'm still a male looking for women. It's that simple!

But you can also class yourself as a woman looking for a woman if you identify your self as one"

Well, I think the situation is much simpler than that. Are you male or female or TS? Simply choose the one which you believe is most accurate. I think TV is daft. My friends for example, they are men seeking men, so in that case, they could simply choose man seeking man. It's not even necessary to choose TV as that's simply regarding clothes! Atleast as far as I'm concerned.

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together!

What worries me is putting them in the woman category

Why does it worry you? "

The thing is, I have every right to put myself down as a female. That's my prerogative. Whether that worries someone else, that's their problem.

The way I see it is like this.

Are you male/female/TS? Choose the appropriate one.

Then what are you looking for?

Anything else, for me is irrelevant and doesn't need to be questioned.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together!

What worries me is putting them in the woman category

Why does it worry you?

The thing is, I have every right to put myself down as a female. That's my prerogative. Whether that worries someone else, that's their problem.

The way I see it is like this.

Are you male/female/TS? Choose the appropriate one.

Then what are you looking for?

Anything else, for me is irrelevant and doesn't need to be questioned."

I wasn't asking you

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together!

What worries me is putting them in the woman category

Why does it worry you?

The thing is, I have every right to put myself down as a female. That's my prerogative. Whether that worries someone else, that's their problem.

The way I see it is like this.

Are you male/female/TS? Choose the appropriate one.

Then what are you looking for?

Anything else, for me is irrelevant and doesn't need to be questioned.

I wasn't asking you "

Please accept my sincerest apologies.

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By *hloevtTV/TS
over a year ago

norwich

Can someone explain to me, and I mean this in the nicest way.

If a person has been through the emotional turmoil and challenges of a full sex change , female driving licence and passport the full works, then surly they have the rite to list on here as female and then the tv/cd/tg tag becomes irrelevant and not needed by them.

Or am I wrong x

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Can someone explain to me, and I mean this in the nicest way.

Or am I wrong x "

The answer for me is I'm really not sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are as different as a cross dressing male is to a trans lady.

I concur with this trans people should have their own separate categories.

I agree they are different but they don't necessarily look any different. How would admin police who was in what category? "

Isn't it how someone identifies. A cross dressing male usually says there gender is male but a trans gender person will use the gender they identify with. No need to police it. If it happens in life it can happen on fab

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Can someone explain to me, and I mean this in the nicest way.

Or am I wrong x "

Exactly...

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay)."

I think you are confusing drag queens with trans, clearly something you dont understand.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Strange how this topic regularly appears in the forums but Fab never address it.

Yet someone asks for a "Games" forum and its up straight away.

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By *emma HoldenTV/TS
over a year ago

Ramsey

We should have a separate section for hairy pantie wearers though

Damn right there should be! We girls don't put in all this effort to be dumped in with "Dave" in his wife's frilly knix looking like a stunt extra from planet of the apes! Fuck that! No obvious effort made, in the "HPW" segment you go for eternity!

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay).

I think you are confusing drag queens with trans, clearly something you dont understand."

I didn't intend on causing any argument and I'm ofcourse not trans by any means, I don't claim to understand the condition, but since you appear to be so keen on telling me what I don't understand, in quite a patronising way - I'm happy to call you out on it.

For the purposes of complete neutrality, here's the dictionary definition of the word 'transvestite';

"A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex."

With all due respect, the definitions of both terms are fairly simple.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay).

I think you are confusing drag queens with trans, clearly something you dont understand.

For the purposes of complete neutrality, here's the dictionary definition of the word 'transvestite';

"A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex."

With all due respect, the definitions of both terms are fairly simple."

With all due respect you haven't got a clue about Tgirls. That's not an insult but it's obvious from your answers that you don't understand us at all. To suggest I'm a "man" looking for sex is far wide of the mark despite what your dictionary may say.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough."

You have no clue.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Why are transvestite and transsexuals in the same category. The difference between the two is maddening so see them pushed together! "

In India its the same some have breasts some don't but they all get along with each other they live as a community

Ts Tv whatever we are humans first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It strikes me as if splitting the category would cause just as much controversy. There would still be people questioning what is the difference and why the two couldn’t be bundled together.

I think the replies to the OP of what’s the difference make it abundantly clear that most people don’t know the difference and a lot don’t care.

If they were split, at what point do we then have to differentiate between transvestism and cross dressing?

Maybe it would be simpler if the categories were male, female and other, or something along those lines. Then you could identify as anything you like rather than shoehorning yourself into one of the existing categories.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Activists will never want to be "other".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Activists will never want to be "other"."

Other... Please enter your choice in the box.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Activists will never want to be "other".

Other... Please enter your choice in the box.

"
other... What!!!!

Why don't people, just read profiles properly. It's not flaming rocket science. Well it is for some on here i suppose. Why do people have to make, things difficult. just leave the groups the way they are. It's worked fine all these years so why create more problems. I'm happy to be in this group and I'd suggest that if anyone is not happy with it maybe it's time to cross the road.stop the tomfoolery and just enjoy your life.

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay).

I think you are confusing drag queens with trans, clearly something you dont understand.

For the purposes of complete neutrality, here's the dictionary definition of the word 'transvestite';

"A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex."

With all due respect, the definitions of both terms are fairly simple.

Well, to start with, I'll agree that I don't understand the phenomenon of it.

However, I'm afraid you seem to be set on making things way more complicated than they need to be! I've shown you the definition - whether you want to come up with your own definition or not, that's entirely up to you, but that definition is the general understanding of the word. Feel free to contact publishers of dictionaries if you feel that it's incorrect.

Like I've said several times on here, there's no need to start being overly specific, for several reasons. Let's just ask two questions which everyone can answer;

Are you a man or a woman? If you have a man's body, choose 'man'. If you have a woman's body, choose 'woman'. If you are unsure, then choose TS.

As far as fab goes, why try to categorise people any more than that? It's a recipe for disaster!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A transvestite can be either Male or female. A transgender person is not a transvestite I do not and never have classed myself as a transvestite "

They didn't say transgender they said transsexual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A transvestite is a person who dresses in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex. At the root of the word is the Latin vestire, meaning to dress. Transsexual means one who wishes to be considered by society as a member of the opposite biological sex. Some transsexuals undergo sex change operations, and some do not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A transvestite can be either Male or female. A transgender person is not a transvestite I do not and never have classed myself as a transvestite

They didn't say transgender they said transsexual"

I don't understand why the op has to make this into a big deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until those who are trans(whatever)stop bickering amongst themselves the status quo will continue.

Having been involved in a kind of activist capacity some years ago it always struck me how the common theme usually was how someone was "not like you" rather than what our simliarites were.

Its an approach which is half glass empty rather than half glass full.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"A transvestite can be either Male or female. A transgender person is not a transvestite I do not and never have classed myself as a transvestite

They didn't say transgender they said transsexual

I don't understand why the op has to make this into a big deal "

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Interesting thread.

My opinion is that TV makes no difference.

Most TV I know are gay males. Men looking for men. Simple as that.

TS, I get it. Someone who is changing or has changed sex. Fair enough.

You are not looking for single guys or TVs...so who are all these TVs you know?

Friends! Or friends of my brother (who is gay).

I think you are confusing drag queens with trans, clearly something you dont understand.

For the purposes of complete neutrality, here's the dictionary definition of the word 'transvestite';

"A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex."

With all due respect, the definitions of both terms are fairly simple."

Sounds a bit like "I'm not a racist but..." best get back under your little bridge and wait for the Billygoats.

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By *orianGrey200Man
over a year ago

birmingham

What they should seperate is the hairy from the smooth. That to me is the big difference. Just my opinion.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"What they should seperate is the hairy from the smooth. That to me is the big difference. Just my opinion. "

It's a good point actually. A well known Tgirl site I'm on does exactly that.

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