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"Admin do see every suggestion that's posted. This is the right place in the forums to post any suggestions or ideas. Not every change requested will happen though. People often have a tendency to think that site changes will magically change their experience and suddenly increase their 'success', when the fact often is that a few tweaks of their own profiles, and change in how they engage with others and how they utilise the existing tools available would solve many of the issues they think exist. It's not always the site and it's design that prevents people meeting. " As has been said in this thread and countless others, the site needs a lot of TLC. Many modern sites that have active forums/communities actually have ownership that enages with said users regarding changes, a lot of them also discuss changes and allow the userbase to vote on upgrades/changes. The OP of this thread raises a very valid point though, what is the actual point of this section of the forum?! | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() Admin need better communication with the community. How about a list of planned changes and their ETA, a road-map? As an example people have been asking for a body type filter for years and absolutely nothing has been acknowledged/changed. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() If your saying improvements are made and implemented do you not think it a good idea to people know Maybe a monthly update in the section or somewhere else on the site of what suggestions have been upgraded No point in implementing even small improvements if we don't actually know what has been tweaked | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() "Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know" To be fair I said this and not that improvements have been made but not been announced.^^^ I answered the post asking people to say what improvements they would like as that would help Admin when they read the threads. I can't personally implement anything but you are in the right section for suggestions for Admin ![]() | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() Agreed, there need to be more interaction and openness. The mention of 'admin' in various ways in this thread suggests a mystical overload, glancing upon the forums from afar, ever present but moving in the shadows 😅 | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() Body type filter Search for specific kinks or fetishes More specific locations for meets Etc. These shouldn't be hard to implement as they follow existing functionality. They just need additional categories adding. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() Sorry to disagree. Many of the threads like this have been very specific. eg change TV to CD, search by body type, change/correct the regions eg Norfolk is not in the East Midlands. A new club being added etc. These have all been requested for years and nothings been done about it. Each year the site say 'watch this space... new functionality' or words to that effect and nothing, or as makes any difference, changes. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() We have seen dozens of suggestions over the years and have even made some ourselves, but nothing ever happens. I think FAB actually requested members send them suggestions a while back, but again, the site remains essentially the same as it was 5+ years ago. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() It's worth bearing in mind that there are usually circa 30,000 logged in at any given time. Only a tiny minority actually use the forums and only a smaller minority of those will ever make a suggestion. The site would be unlikely to make changes based on individual requests, much like any site or business. We all have 'ideal world' ideas but as the Stones said...you can't always get what you want. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() I might have to start covering all bases when I answer ![]() ![]() | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() If there were more engagement with regard to changes and if people could see they were happening, the community may be more inclined to get involved. If you do not provide the means, people cannot use. Ultimately it appears the site and userbase are neglected. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() I get what you're saying, but it seems the 'community' in general have been happily using the site as it's been offered for nearly two decades. My early comment about 30,000 people on average being logged in? It's currently at 40,000. People seem willing to use the site as it stands. People meet every day. I've often noticed that the profiles tending to make suggestions on 'improvements' and new services/systems are often either long standing profiles with single verifications that don't appear that active, or are new and unverified profiles. Almost as if any changes they suggest will open the floodgates to them getting meets with others. Yet the majority of users just utilise the tools on offer and manage to engage with others and enjoy their swinging lives sufficiently. 🤷♂️ Suggestions and ideas are great. Any expectation that the majority of others either want or would welcome any of them though are going to be swayed by individual personal opinion and experience on the the site. People have often commented on what other sites/apps have available and how they find them in some way 'better'. And yet they're still on Fab. 🤔🤷♂️ | |||
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"I've often noticed that the profiles tending to make suggestions on 'improvements' and new services/systems are often either long standing profiles with single verifications that don't appear that active, or are new and unverified profiles. Almost as if any changes they suggest will open the floodgates to them getting meets with others. Yet the majority of users just utilise the tools on offer and manage to engage with others and enjoy their swinging lives sufficiently. 🤷♂️ And yet they're still on Fab. 🤔🤷♂️" Mate, it shows you don't work and have no clue about Product Management. Time and time again, even highly engaged couples will openly admit they get to know new people at clubs. Then use Fab as the afterparty social network, to keep in touch. If that's what you envisaged for Fab, brilliant. | |||
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"Also, another sacrosanct rule in Product Management: please do away with the snobbery. Comments like "and yet they're still on Fab" while missing the elephant in the room shows how tonedeaf the admin/mods are." Or that they just have different opinions. 🤷♂️ Mine is my own. I'm a volunteer here, not staff with no powers to enact change any more than any other user. But I've been here almost since the beginning. I've seen many changes. I've seen many 'competitor' sites spring up. There's no monopoly on swinging, which sites people have to use, nor how they choose to use the sites they do or how they engage with others. I'm curious what the 'elephant in the room' is? Snobbery is thinking you're above others. The site is, and always has been, open to anyone, free to use and there to utilise how you wish within site rules. Anyone can join. People can use as much or as little of the site as they choose. It's for all, not just for any one segment of swinging society, and as such it'll never cater to every request, need or wish of person that uses it. And as someone who's run his own business for a decade I get suggestions and requests from clients all the time. Few are acted on for a variety of reasons, be they practical, financial, economically viable or because they wouldn't benefit or appeal the majority of my customers base. Anyone who really believes that any business/organisation/website can cater for all and adopt every suggested change is being optimistic at best, and delusional at worst. | |||
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"And as someone who's run his own business for a decade I get suggestions and requests from clients all the time. Few are acted on for a variety of reasons, be they practical, financial, economically viable or because they wouldn't benefit or appeal the majority of my customers base. Anyone who really believes that any business/organisation/website can cater for all and adopt every suggested change is being optimistic at best, and delusional at worst. " This is a digital platform. The dynamics might work a tad differently, you'll find. Average number of users at any one time is one metric. Maybe they're here to perv on the amateur photos, who knows? Point being, there are many people saying Fab is stuck in the past and it needs improving. You don't respond to that by dismissing that user feedback. | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() I thought that's what the Update tab did. Give the users the info on what's about to change | |||
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"Ouf, i cannot say that the Mod's are coming across great here, despite numerous posts in this thread alone, with some extremely well put points, there has not been a single, positive response; quite the opposite actually, defensive and negative. At the very least i would expect a level of understanding. I guess the question posed by the OP of this thread has been answered." I've repeatedly said suggestions and ideas are a good idea. Nobody has said otherwise. What some don't seem to be understanding is that the site can't be all things to all people and offer everything that each individual wants, or feels would somehow enhance their own personal experience. Life, and websites don't work like that. The Site feedback forum wasn't here when I first joined. It was added to provide a platform for people to make suggestions. But it's existence will never mean that everything suggested will at any point happen. And as I said before. Views and opinions expressed by mods are our own, not the sites. We're Fab users too. Unless you see something posted by the admin profile then it's just another viewpoint. | |||
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"And as someone who's run his own business for a decade I get suggestions and requests from clients all the time. Few are acted on for a variety of reasons, be they practical, financial, economically viable or because they wouldn't benefit or appeal the majority of my customers base. Anyone who really believes that any business/organisation/website can cater for all and adopt every suggested change is being optimistic at best, and delusional at worst. This is a digital platform. The dynamics might work a tad differently, you'll find. Average number of users at any one time is one metric. Maybe they're here to perv on the amateur photos, who knows? Point being, there are many people saying Fab is stuck in the past and it needs improving. You don't respond to that by dismissing that user feedback." You assume I don't work online then. OK. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Ouf, i cannot say that the Mod's are coming across great here, despite numerous posts in this thread alone, with some extremely well put points, there has not been a single, positive response; quite the opposite actually, defensive and negative. At the very least i would expect a level of understanding. I guess the question posed by the OP of this thread has been answered. I've repeatedly said suggestions and ideas are a good idea. Nobody has said otherwise. What some don't seem to be understanding is that the site can't be all things to all people and offer everything that each individual wants, or feels would somehow enhance their own personal experience. Life, and websites don't work like that. The Site feedback forum wasn't here when I first joined. It was added to provide a platform for people to make suggestions. But it's existence will never mean that everything suggested will at any point happen. And as I said before. Views and opinions expressed by mods are our own, not the sites. We're Fab users too. Unless you see something posted by the admin profile then it's just another viewpoint. " Unfortunately, however you may wish to paint it, by moderating this forum you are a representative of the company that owns Fab. Your attitude and repsonses have been borderline hostile, if a representative of mine communicated with any of my clients in that way, i would not be happy. As i said before; negative and defensive. You might aswell lock this thread, ultimately, and from your POV it's a classic 'like it or lump it' take. | |||
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"Ouf, i cannot say that the Mod's are coming across great here, despite numerous posts in this thread alone, with some extremely well put points, there has not been a single, positive response; quite the opposite actually, defensive and negative. At the very least i would expect a level of understanding. I guess the question posed by the OP of this thread has been answered. I've repeatedly said suggestions and ideas are a good idea. Nobody has said otherwise. What some don't seem to be understanding is that the site can't be all things to all people and offer everything that each individual wants, or feels would somehow enhance their own personal experience. Life, and websites don't work like that. The Site feedback forum wasn't here when I first joined. It was added to provide a platform for people to make suggestions. But it's existence will never mean that everything suggested will at any point happen. And as I said before. Views and opinions expressed by mods are our own, not the sites. We're Fab users too. Unless you see something posted by the admin profile then it's just another viewpoint. Unfortunately, however you may wish to paint it, by moderating this forum you are a representative of the company that owns Fab. Your attitude and repsonses have been borderline hostile, if a representative of mine communicated with any of my clients in that way, i would not be happy. As i said before; negative and defensive. You might aswell lock this thread, ultimately, and from your POV it's a classic 'like it or lump it' take." I think you misunderstanding what mods do. We're here to simply monitor the forums to make sure rules aren't broken, and act when they are. We don't make the rules. We don't have any say in what they are. Likewise we have no ability to enable changes to the site any more than any other user. There's no reason to close the thread. If you really want to see what changes have happened over time, see other suggestions made and whether they were implemented, see the views of others and opinions/thoughts given, then I'd personally suggest switching to the desktop site and viewing this forum there. You'll see the archive of every post made since 2009. You'll also see the volume of threads (the number in the brackets next to each month) and be able to see that it's actually one of the quietest sections of the forums. If huge numbers of users were vocalising the same ideas, suggestions and views and had the same complaints then it would probably be more likely that change might happen. But that doesn't seem to be the case. This forum isn't hidden away. It's there for anyone to use, whenever they choose and to suggest anything they wish. People may agree with ideas and equally others may disagree. My opinions carry no more weight than yours. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Unfortunately, however you may wish to paint it, by moderating this forum you are a representative of the company that owns Fab. Your attitude and repsonses have been borderline hostile, if a representative of mine communicated with any of my clients in that way, i would not be happy." ![]() | |||
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"regardless of your view, most people on this site agree its massively outdated, i mean jesus the little emoticons havent changed in a decade atleast for example haha, but given apps like …. we cant say its against the rules etc, this site generates a massive income, surely the site can adapt and modernise and yes i get, if its not broken dont fix it, but an app would be nice, user friendly etc rather then safair, web and feeling like im on windows 98 ![]() Adult site apps aren't allowed on play store or the app store, so it's unlikely that would ever happen. The mobile site was introduced to provide an alternative to the original desktop site when the majority of users began to access the site via phones. It's not an app, but acts like one and can be added to any phones home screen as an icon. Re emojis - there were always more available than just what you saw, you just had to know how to type them (there's many an old thread with huge lists of the hidden ones), but last year it became possible to use any emoji on your phone. All of them. Hope that info helps. | |||
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"regardless of your view, most people on this site agree its massively outdated, i mean jesus the little emoticons havent changed in a decade atleast for example haha, but given apps like …. we cant say its against the rules etc, this site generates a massive income, surely the site can adapt and modernise and yes i get, if its not broken dont fix it, but an app would be nice, user friendly etc rather then safair, web and feeling like im on windows 98 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Could the site add a page to say “you said, we did” and just list a change log for each release and update. May help with some of the comments on this thread where people don’t see or feel the change" But a forum search would show the previous new features And for someone who has been on the site for a very long time, only by that would know that when suggestions have been made and at a later date these features have been implemented and the site works well tbh | |||
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"The fake blank profiles on these apps are now at record levels With stalking cases rising in the UK All genuine would welcome a more stringent verification process Something has to change as it's way past the tolerable stage now for the genuine user! " The filters are there to use | |||
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"The fake blank profiles on these apps are now at record levels With stalking cases rising in the UK All genuine would welcome a more stringent verification process Something has to change as it's way past the tolerable stage now for the genuine user! " I'm not aware of any online site (including the likes of Facebook, Tinder or any other app) that has a system requiring the submission of user ID. Fab offers the option of photo verification to confirm gender (not identity) but whilst I'd personally have no issue with it as I've provided my details to many swingers clubs over the years for membership, many 'genuine' swingers have repeatedly said they'd never use the site if such a system was introduced. There are filters to prevent contact from those you don't wish to engage with, be that just gender or age, or those with neither photo or physical verification. The site also gives great advice re safe meets and contact with others, but I suspect many will never read it. https://m.fabswingers.com/content/safer-meets.html | |||
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"The fake blank profiles on these apps are now at record levels With stalking cases rising in the UK All genuine would welcome a more stringent verification process Something has to change as it's way past the tolerable stage now for the genuine user! " I trust my common sense more than any verification flag or tick | |||
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"Have you seen anything change then ? Assuming it’s actually managed professionally like ? A “like” button would be advantageous, at least, especially when there are so many on here that use the site like social media and never leave their bedrooms " I'm guessing that you mean in the forum, but doesn't someone's comment do just that | |||
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"If you scroll down the list of forum headers and look at when they were last viewed, it kind of answers the question. 🤷" But what was the question reply+quote helps | |||
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"If you scroll down the list of forum headers and look at when they were last viewed, it kind of answers the question. 🤷" The timings in the forum lists relate to when the last comment was posted, not when it was last viewed. You can view any forum post at any time and there'll be no trace. | |||
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"Just one suggestion that we and others have mentioned over the years is the club section having the Gran Canaria etc under the Channel Islands which is a little strange.. would it improve our experience on here if changed.. no but it'll look a little less amateurish. " ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Just one suggestion that we and others have mentioned over the years is the club section having the Gran Canaria etc under the Channel Islands which is a little strange.. would it improve our experience on here if changed.. no but it'll look a little less amateurish. ![]() ![]() Closest geographical UK location to them maybe? Still baffling | |||
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"Our experience of the site has been generally positive over the years. However as a couple who enjoy playing we both find immense frustration at the number of couples profiles who despite verification turn out not actually to be players. Would it not be possible to refine the verification system so as to be able to distinguish between purely social meetings and meets where couples actually play? Given that photo verification for couples establishes the existence of any given couple, is there any point in social only verification?" I follow what you're saying. But many couples approach Fab life with a view that they want a social meet first before anything physical. On our couples profile there are purely social veris showing for people we've subsequently got naked with. But we don't feel the need to add a second more graphic one every time that happens. A verification is purely someone confirming you're real, look like your photos (otherwise one would hope they'd run a mile in minutes), not confirmation that sex took place. Many don't even leave them, will hide them, or won't include any reference to physical contact. And just because people do play, it doesn't mean they will with anyone and everyone. So it may show that they're not just socially active and are looking for sex, but won't offer any additional guarantees. The presence of social veris is a useful tool to show people are out and about and active, and don't just rely on online contact for meets. Trust me. People who meet at socias most definitely have a fair bit of sex, just not necessarily there and then. 😉 | |||
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"Seems a lot of the time it's "my suggestion hasn't been implemented". It could just be most suggestions wouldn't improve the site, from the point if view of the admin, given the cost of implementing them. As for things like refreshing the look of the site, yeah that would be nice. But working on site code that is over 15 years old is very complex (ie expensive) & risks breaking things. I'd rather a working site than a broken site that looks flashy" I've seen lots of threads with people asking for the TV/TS category to be sorted. Or rename the virus section as covid was over two yrs ago etc. Or sort the locations out. It's not one person saying my suggestion hasn't been implemented. If that's the case the site might as well not bother with this section. As someone else above said the site even asked for suggestions but what would be the point? | |||
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"Seems a lot of the time it's "my suggestion hasn't been implemented". It could just be most suggestions wouldn't improve the site, from the point if view of the admin, given the cost of implementing them. As for things like refreshing the look of the site, yeah that would be nice. But working on site code that is over 15 years old is very complex (ie expensive) & risks breaking things. I'd rather a working site than a broken site that looks flashy I've seen lots of threads with people asking for the TV/TS category to be sorted. Or rename the virus section as covid was over two yrs ago etc. Or sort the locations out. It's not one person saying my suggestion hasn't been implemented. If that's the case the site might as well not bother with this section. As someone else above said the site even asked for suggestions but what would be the point?" The owners do read all suggestions, so anything that's likely a phenomenal business success is more probably going to be accepted. But it's their site and budget, so their priorities are going to prevail. Currently, adult sites are going to have to implement age restrictions, so legally imposed changes will come before any user ideas. It doesn't take much time to suggest ideas - it's substantially easier than managing the operational demands, whilst adding new features. Perhaps forum users spend an hour a year making suggestions. We're not forced to do so but it ensures the owners get them readily. Better than not having them | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() put that forward too ... more specific search for body type etc. This would help alot as if you know exactly what you are looking for it saves so much time! | |||
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"When threads like this are posted I ask what would they like Admin to make improvments on and the OP's normally don't specify. If you add what improvments you would like to see to the thread Admin will be able to see what they are.Suggestions are always read and if they are going to implement anything they let us all know ![]() it won't happen 😅 | |||
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