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"There's loads of timewasters who are site supporters. There's loads of fake profiles who are site supporters. " I was about to say this, but you beat me to it. | |||
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"I think it would help a lot - anyone can access it now - view anyone and message anyone, interact on the forums. No other site allows you to do that without paying. It would stop people signing up for a wank or whilst their wife was out for the night or fake accounts - if they had to pay there’s a trail then. You should also support the site you use too. K" The thing is, considering the owners of Fab consider monthly billing to be sneaky and refuse to do it, how would you introduce a mandatory fee without compromising that? | |||
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"There's loads of timewasters who are site supporters. There's loads of fake profiles who are site supporters. " Not saying it will completely eliminate time wasting or fake paid profiles but will make a positive step change in improving our site experience | |||
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"I think it would help a lot - anyone can access it now - view anyone and message anyone, interact on the forums. No other site allows you to do that without paying. It would stop people signing up for a wank or whilst their wife was out for the night or fake accounts - if they had to pay there’s a trail then. You should also support the site you use too. K The thing is, considering the owners of Fab consider monthly billing to be sneaky and refuse to do it, how would you introduce a mandatory fee without compromising that?" To join the site you must pay what is currently a Silver subscription with a card and you will receive an account with the basic silver levels of functionality - it’s not difficult | |||
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"The problem I could see is that people would start to leave their guard down and begin to think that everyone that's paid are safe genuine people that aren't time wasters." I don’t know about you but I would prefer that the current situation where anyone can create a free account with a disposable email address and can view your public profile, copy pictures, send messages etc not continue. Having to provide bank / card details to join would significantly improve behaviour and standards and having a level of traceability should law enforcement/ legal issues arise. | |||
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"I think it would help a lot - anyone can access it now - view anyone and message anyone, interact on the forums. No other site allows you to do that without paying. It would stop people signing up for a wank or whilst their wife was out for the night or fake accounts - if they had to pay there’s a trail then. You should also support the site you use too. K The thing is, considering the owners of Fab consider monthly billing to be sneaky and refuse to do it, how would you introduce a mandatory fee without compromising that?" You have basic features but to message someone, view a profile, go on the forums you have to pay. Other sites you have to verify yourself before you can do anything on it - FAB you don’t so anyone can join, view your profile, take screenshots of what you’ve put in the forums, your profile, etc. You’d have more accountability and therefore by it being stricter it would eliminate a lot of profiles set up. K | |||
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"The problem I could see is that people would start to leave their guard down and begin to think that everyone that's paid are safe genuine people that aren't time wasters. I don’t know about you but I would prefer that the current situation where anyone can create a free account with a disposable email address and can view your public profile, copy pictures, send messages etc not continue. Having to provide bank / card details to join would significantly improve behaviour and standards and having a level of traceability should law enforcement/ legal issues arise." I have my filters set so newbies, no photos on profile etc can't view my profile or message me, hopefully this takes care of some of what you mention, although I know filters aren't infallible. | |||
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"I think it would help a lot - anyone can access it now - view anyone and message anyone, interact on the forums. No other site allows you to do that without paying. It would stop people signing up for a wank or whilst their wife was out for the night or fake accounts - if they had to pay there’s a trail then. You should also support the site you use too. K The thing is, considering the owners of Fab consider monthly billing to be sneaky and refuse to do it, how would you introduce a mandatory fee without compromising that? You have basic features but to message someone, view a profile, go on the forums you have to pay. Other sites you have to verify yourself before you can do anything on it - FAB you don’t so anyone can join, view your profile, take screenshots of what you’ve put in the forums, your profile, etc. You’d have more accountability and therefore by it being stricter it would eliminate a lot of profiles set up. K " What basic features would there even be on the site if those were all paid ones? (not being glib, I'm genuinely struggling to think of another thing you could do here for free if you had to pay to message people, look at profiles, or access the forums) | |||
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"I think it would help a lot - anyone can access it now - view anyone and message anyone, interact on the forums. No other site allows you to do that without paying. It would stop people signing up for a wank or whilst their wife was out for the night or fake accounts - if they had to pay there’s a trail then. You should also support the site you use too. K The thing is, considering the owners of Fab consider monthly billing to be sneaky and refuse to do it, how would you introduce a mandatory fee without compromising that? You have basic features but to message someone, view a profile, go on the forums you have to pay. Other sites you have to verify yourself before you can do anything on it - FAB you don’t so anyone can join, view your profile, take screenshots of what you’ve put in the forums, your profile, etc. You’d have more accountability and therefore by it being stricter it would eliminate a lot of profiles set up. K What basic features would there even be on the site if those were all paid ones? (not being glib, I'm genuinely struggling to think of another thing you could do here for free if you had to pay to message people, look at profiles, or access the forums)" You can see how many people are on the site, you can see profile pages but clicking on extra pics or messaging that profile would not take you further unless you were a subscription member, like most sites. Even screenshotting can’t be done on other sites - it can here. We don’t ever get random dick pics on other sites or even randoms messaging as the message has to be accepted by you. FAB has all the features we enjoy for this lifestyle - we are members on other sites but this is easiest the least safest site. As it has all the features it seems daft not to charge for them. K | |||
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"Would this offload a load of timewasters and improve the site? The paywall would be the same cost as a silver subscription - stop those junk accounts! " Stop the dickheads sending unsolicited offers of sucking dick to an account which clearly stated that I am straight. I'm afraid charging is the only way to filter out the dross | |||
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"Would this offload a load of timewasters and improve the site? The paywall would be the same cost as a silver subscription - stop those junk accounts! Stop the dickheads sending unsolicited offers of sucking dick to an account which clearly stated that I am straight. I'm afraid charging is the only way to filter out the dross" Do you not have messages from single men blocked? | |||
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"Would this offload a load of timewasters and improve the site? The paywall would be the same cost as a silver subscription - stop those junk accounts! Stop the dickheads sending unsolicited offers of sucking dick to an account which clearly stated that I am straight. I'm afraid charging is the only way to filter out the dross Do you not have messages from single men blocked?" They are now, but it gets in the way of making friends with single guys. It's annoying considering there is a gay version of fab. Why don't they go there? | |||
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"Would this offload a load of timewasters and improve the site? The paywall would be the same cost as a silver subscription - stop those junk accounts! " No, because so called 'timewasters' also have money to spend. | |||
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"OP if being behind a pay wall is going to give the best online experience; less fakes, timewasters, pic collectors etc then why are you still here?" I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Fabswingers is the most popular Lifestyle site in the U.K. why shouldn’t I be a member? I have to put up with fake / junk profiles like everyone else. I am also a member of another site (behind a paywall) for when I am abroad and there is a noticeable difference in peoples behaviour on the site. I’m asking if Fabswingers would be improved by being behind a paywall. It’s a fact that subscribers who pay to be a member of a site and have to provide personal details are better behaved than those that get access for free…. and have nothing to lose by being trolls, single men pretending to be women or couples, catfishing, timewasters, picture collectors, scammers, stalkers etc. I haven’t said being behind a paywall will completely fix these issues but I believe it would significantly improve the current Fab experience. Everyone complains that things have deteriorated on Fab and eliminating what are effectively disposable anonymous free accounts is one way to improve things. Sure the site may lose certain members who don’t want to or can’t pay but maybe the overall benefits in membership is worth it. | |||
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"OP if being behind a pay wall is going to give the best online experience; less fakes, timewasters, pic collectors etc then why are you still here? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Fabswingers is the most popular Lifestyle site in the U.K. why shouldn’t I be a member? I have to put up with fake / junk profiles like everyone else. I am also a member of another site (behind a paywall) for when I am abroad and there is a noticeable difference in peoples behaviour on the site. I’m asking if Fabswingers would be improved by being behind a paywall. It’s a fact that subscribers who pay to be a member of a site and have to provide personal details are better behaved than those that get access for free…. and have nothing to lose by being trolls, single men pretending to be women or couples, catfishing, timewasters, picture collectors, scammers, stalkers etc. I haven’t said being behind a paywall will completely fix these issues but I believe it would significantly improve the current Fab experience. Everyone complains that things have deteriorated on Fab and eliminating what are effectively disposable anonymous free accounts is one way to improve things. Sure the site may lose certain members who don’t want to or can’t pay but maybe the overall benefits in membership is worth it." You can filter out profiles that aren't site supporters in messages also site supporters have the badge on their profile. Would that make your experience better? | |||
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"OP if being behind a pay wall is going to give the best online experience; less fakes, timewasters, pic collectors etc then why are you still here? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Fabswingers is the most popular Lifestyle site in the U.K. why shouldn’t I be a member? I have to put up with fake / junk profiles like everyone else. I am also a member of another site (behind a paywall) for when I am abroad and there is a noticeable difference in peoples behaviour on the site. I’m asking if Fabswingers would be improved by being behind a paywall. It’s a fact that subscribers who pay to be a member of a site and have to provide personal details are better behaved than those that get access for free…. and have nothing to lose by being trolls, single men pretending to be women or couples, catfishing, timewasters, picture collectors, scammers, stalkers etc. I haven’t said being behind a paywall will completely fix these issues but I believe it would significantly improve the current Fab experience. Everyone complains that things have deteriorated on Fab and eliminating what are effectively disposable anonymous free accounts is one way to improve things. Sure the site may lose certain members who don’t want to or can’t pay but maybe the overall benefits in membership is worth it. You can filter out profiles that aren't site supporters in messages also site supporters have the badge on their profile. Would that make your experience better?" It does improve things - I have the full filter defences in place | |||
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"OP if being behind a pay wall is going to give the best online experience; less fakes, timewasters, pic collectors etc then why are you still here? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Fabswingers is the most popular Lifestyle site in the U.K. why shouldn’t I be a member? I have to put up with fake / junk profiles like everyone else. I am also a member of another site (behind a paywall) for when I am abroad and there is a noticeable difference in peoples behaviour on the site. I’m asking if Fabswingers would be improved by being behind a paywall. It’s a fact that subscribers who pay to be a member of a site and have to provide personal details are better behaved than those that get access for free…. and have nothing to lose by being trolls, single men pretending to be women or couples, catfishing, timewasters, picture collectors, scammers, stalkers etc. I haven’t said being behind a paywall will completely fix these issues but I believe it would significantly improve the current Fab experience. Everyone complains that things have deteriorated on Fab and eliminating what are effectively disposable anonymous free accounts is one way to improve things. Sure the site may lose certain members who don’t want to or can’t pay but maybe the overall benefits in membership is worth it." Everyone doesn't complain that it has deteriorated though. The vast majority of people here don't have to negotiate fake accounts because they are so blatantly obvious they don't have to engage with them and therefore they have zero impact on their fab experience. Timewaster is a very subjective term that people often use to describe those who won't meet them. Asking people on a highly successful site that isn't behind a paywall to give personal details just because some people need their hand held as they navigate the site will never be a popular suggestion. | |||
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"I personally think give site supporters more perks.. maybe take a few features away from non site supporters. Or maybe an even better idea.. you have to be face photo verified before you can search for other members and get meet verified and prohibit them from seeing photos on members accounts.. that would cut out the real cretins " Why be meet verified ? There are any amount of members who never meet, myself included, but like to go in the chat rooms and the forums .... | |||
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"OP if being behind a pay wall is going to give the best online experience; less fakes, timewasters, pic collectors etc then why are you still here? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Fabswingers is the most popular Lifestyle site in the U.K. why shouldn’t I be a member? I have to put up with fake / junk profiles like everyone else. I am also a member of another site (behind a paywall) for when I am abroad and there is a noticeable difference in peoples behaviour on the site. I’m asking if Fabswingers would be improved by being behind a paywall. It’s a fact that subscribers who pay to be a member of a site and have to provide personal details are better behaved than those that get access for free…. and have nothing to lose by being trolls, single men pretending to be women or couples, catfishing, timewasters, picture collectors, scammers, stalkers etc. I haven’t said being behind a paywall will completely fix these issues but I believe it would significantly improve the current Fab experience. Everyone complains that things have deteriorated on Fab and eliminating what are effectively disposable anonymous free accounts is one way to improve things. Sure the site may lose certain members who don’t want to or can’t pay but maybe the overall benefits in membership is worth it. You can filter out profiles that aren't site supporters in messages also site supporters have the badge on their profile. Would that make your experience better? It does improve things - I have the full filter defences in place" The site is working *for you* in the way you want it to? | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled......." Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled....... Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. " The point about the example I quoted is that the meet took place with a different profile to the one being verified. Who is to know that the person/people behind the profile is the same, unless you meet them again on the new profile? This is a slippery slope and an open invitation for the exchange of (to say the least, questionable) verifications between parties who have not actually met, either through misunderstanding or outright intention to deceive. If it is not in contrvention of Fab's current ToS, they should at least be considering it. | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled....... Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. The point about the example I quoted is that the meet took place with a different profile to the one being verified. Who is to know that the person/people behind the profile is the same, unless you meet them again on the new profile? This is a slippery slope and an open invitation for the exchange of (to say the least, questionable) verifications between parties who have not actually met, either through misunderstanding or outright intention to deceive. If it is not in contrvention of Fab's current ToS, they should at least be considering it." I've verified returning members several times. I know it's them because I know them in real life, talk regularly and have met them face to face multiple times over the years. People come and go. Some hide their profiles and some delete for a clean break, a rest from the site and a fresh start. Sometimes they do it to avoid drama from others on here. They're still the same people. | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled....... Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. The point about the example I quoted is that the meet took place with a different profile to the one being verified. Who is to know that the person/people behind the profile is the same, unless you meet them again on the new profile? This is a slippery slope and an open invitation for the exchange of (to say the least, questionable) verifications between parties who have not actually met, either through misunderstanding or outright intention to deceive. If it is not in contrvention of Fab's current ToS, they should at least be considering it. I've verified returning members several times. I know it's them because I know them in real life, talk regularly and have met them face to face multiple times over the years. People come and go. Some hide their profiles and some delete for a clean break, a rest from the site and a fresh start. Sometimes they do it to avoid drama from others on here. They're still the same people. " That's a good point but the key bit is 'know them in real life' i.e. have an onging and current real life friendship and communication. Having myself been solicited to give a fake verification about a year ago and then insulted when I declined, with a message chain visible clearly showing this, only to see the profile concerned still active on Fab 2 weeks after reporting the matter, I'm rather dubious that things are as tightly run as they could and should be. The fact that this thread exists at all says that not everyone is happy with how things are...... | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled....... Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. The point about the example I quoted is that the meet took place with a different profile to the one being verified. Who is to know that the person/people behind the profile is the same, unless you meet them again on the new profile? This is a slippery slope and an open invitation for the exchange of (to say the least, questionable) verifications between parties who have not actually met, either through misunderstanding or outright intention to deceive. If it is not in contrvention of Fab's current ToS, they should at least be considering it. I've verified returning members several times. I know it's them because I know them in real life, talk regularly and have met them face to face multiple times over the years. People come and go. Some hide their profiles and some delete for a clean break, a rest from the site and a fresh start. Sometimes they do it to avoid drama from others on here. They're still the same people. That's a good point but the key bit is 'know them in real life' i.e. have an onging and current real life friendship and communication. Having myself been solicited to give a fake verification about a year ago and then insulted when I declined, with a message chain visible clearly showing this, only to see the profile concerned still active on Fab 2 weeks after reporting the matter, I'm rather dubious that things are as tightly run as they could and should be. The fact that this thread exists at all says that not everyone is happy with how things are......" You reported which was the right thing to do. The site gives tools to help. You can filter out unverified and new profiles from contacting you. You can search for verified only users. No 'system' would be foolproof. A pay wall may deter some but a fiver a month isn't much more than a single coffee at Costa. Do you really think it would deter people? The greatest tool you have is common sense. If you're suspicious someone isn't who they claim, move on. Report if you think necessary. A simple phone call or video chat can easily prove someone is real. Relying purely on messages and verifications is personal choice. | |||
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"There have been loads of 'paywall' swinger sites in the past, Fab grew because it did NOT use that model. Better policing by fab mods would solve many of the problems eg instant ban for putting stuff like 'verify me if you met me on my old profile' and unwanted messaging could be drastically reduced if there had to be a returned wink between parties before messaging between them was enabled....... Fab forum mods and admin can only enforce the rules and currently asking to be verified by someone you've genuinely met isn't in contravention of them. Asking to verified without meeting or camming is though. The point about the example I quoted is that the meet took place with a different profile to the one being verified. Who is to know that the person/people behind the profile is the same, unless you meet them again on the new profile? This is a slippery slope and an open invitation for the exchange of (to say the least, questionable) verifications between parties who have not actually met, either through misunderstanding or outright intention to deceive. If it is not in contrvention of Fab's current ToS, they should at least be considering it. I've verified returning members several times. I know it's them because I know them in real life, talk regularly and have met them face to face multiple times over the years. People come and go. Some hide their profiles and some delete for a clean break, a rest from the site and a fresh start. Sometimes they do it to avoid drama from others on here. They're still the same people. That's a good point but the key bit is 'know them in real life' i.e. have an onging and current real life friendship and communication. Having myself been solicited to give a fake verification about a year ago and then insulted when I declined, with a message chain visible clearly showing this, only to see the profile concerned still active on Fab 2 weeks after reporting the matter, I'm rather dubious that things are as tightly run as they could and should be. The fact that this thread exists at all says that not everyone is happy with how things are......" Profiles aren't suspended for every infringement. Usually they're warned first and suspended if they do it again, either for a short period or permanently. | |||
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