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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally dont think it is a good thing. The EU has bought good changes to my area. These changes could take at least 5 to 10 years to come into place. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Think its a big mistake!!!

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By *ilthyjackcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong."

Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can't believe that anyone could hold stock with all that shit. Our country is fucked. Our children's futures are fucked.

It's a great win for the far right and Farage. That makes it a sad day in my eyes.

I despair of our country and I'm ashamed to be British.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well the majority in Scotland did not think so. A clean sweep wanting to remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What an absolute disaster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong.

Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can't believe that anyone could hold stock with all that shit. Our country is fucked. Our children's futures are fucked.

It's a great win for the far right and Farage. That makes it a sad day in my eyes.

I despair of our country and I'm ashamed to be British. "

The leave campaign was only ever an excuse for the racist facsist right wingers to try and cause havoc in our country

Those of you who see it some kind of freedom etc are sadly mistaken

You have played right into the hands of these fuckwits

Well done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted out

If we had stayed in and turkey had joined out boarded would have been move to Syria

We then opened ourselves up to having terrorists coming here

Great news I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dark,Dark day for Britain. Wales in particular, we have no ways and means of standing alone. If people had listened to the trade unions,they told us to remain or face job loses and further deprivation.And sure enough Aston Martin and Ford's already contemplating their futures here.

How can a Labour strong country slip so far right???

But hey,everyone has their opinion. Mine is only one. Good luck all,your gonna need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage is backtracking on his bullshit already

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By *OWN AND COUNTY SOCIALSMan
over a year ago

CARMARTHEN

Well the last general election was largely a conservative victory based on a EU referendum promise and subsequently the majority voted to leave in what can be called a good turnout,surely that is democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All these people celebrating, you had one argument...immigration.

The arguments to stay far out weighed that.

Maybe it's time to move back home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these people celebrating, you had one argument...immigration.

The arguments to stay far out weighed that.

Maybe it's time to move back home

Some people havent got a clue hun. It will affect the workers of the UK xx

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By *OWN AND COUNTY SOCIALSMan
over a year ago

CARMARTHEN

Well David Cameron has resigned

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

Garage back tracking. Same as Cameron has done by fighting to stay I when before he was prime minister he wanted out. On bbc this morning and mp who wanted to stay in has back tracked in what he said before vote. They are all as bad as each other, but if you lived further north of the m4 corridor then the arguments for job losses etc doesn't really come into it as these jobs when years ago.

Other countries outside EU seem to do very well with trade and we are now free to expand our trade to non EU countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish i understood all the politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all going to suffer. This will be catastrophic

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

If he resigned last month the vote may of been different

So the country just spent millions on the EU campaign so now may have to spend millions more on new prime minister

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By *tsallaroundMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Holland are now saying they may leave. Then another then another

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you actually know how much European Funding was directed into Wales ?

Through the EU Structural Funds, Wales has benefited from just over £4bn since 2000, supporting business, research and innovation, helping people into work, increasing skills, improving transport and digital networks, regenerating our communities, and enhancing our environment.

Achievements

Since 2007, EU projects have created 11,925 enterprises and 36,970 (gross) jobs, assisted 72,700 people into work, 229,110 to gain qualifications, and 56,055 into further learning.

That is money that we're now not going to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong.

Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can't believe that anyone could hold stock with all that shit. Our country is fucked. Our children's futures are fucked.

It's a great win for the far right and Farage. That makes it a sad day in my eyes.

I despair of our country and I'm ashamed to be British. "

Farage on this morning saying that the money saved on the EU will not go toward the NHS, big surprise there like, the pound sinking like a stone, stock/financial markets going mental, Boris probably for next pm, IDS back in government, Scotland and Ireland making noises about leaving the UK.

Panic everywhere, will it last? Probably not long term, but it's gonna sting for a bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you actually know how much European Funding was directed into Wales ?

Achievements

Since 2007, EU projects have created 11,925 enterprises and 36,970 (gross) jobs, assisted 72,700 people into work, 229,110 to gain qualifications, and 56,055 into further learning.

That is money that we're now not going to see

A lot of people were so blinded by the immigration debate that they couldn't see furher than the ends of their noses unfortunately and the issues that truely matter to the Welsh people at ground level have been completely ignored. A very negative day for Wales undeed

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By *ilthyjackcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

It really is horrendous.

This just opens the floodgates for Boris Johnson - who I expect to be the next PM - to ride roughshod over the little people.

I fear for my childrens future, I really do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you actually know how much European Funding was directed into Wales ?

Achievements

Since 2007, EU projects have created 11,925 enterprises and 36,970 (gross) jobs, assisted 72,700 people into work, 229,110 to gain qualifications, and 56,055 into further learning.

That is money that we're now not going to see

Don't worry mun Missp, you have children, the pits will probably open back up so that they'll have jobs, they may be able to start at 13, failing that there could probably be employed as chimney sweeps, see not all negative

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By *ay rickMan
over a year ago

cardiff

Missp on the ball again lol spot on babe---personally as I guy who hates politics with a passion and doesn't care who leads as they just fuck us in a different position pms I can't see how giving these idiots more power to decide!!!-how anyone can say it's a win when I really don't think we were given the information to vote correctly either way!!!i do think it only got through on the asylum issues and it just proves the country we all love just doesn't know how to stand together and say no that's enough!!!-our capital city is an incredible place to wander around-MULTI cultured exciting and quite beautiful to be around!!!-

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

"Holland are now saying they may leave. Then another then another"

France also said they are going to look into the possibility of a referendum.

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

"Do you actually know how much European Funding was directed into Wales ?

Achievements

Since 2007, EU projects have created 11,925 enterprises and 36,970 (gross) jobs, assisted 72,700 people into work, 229,110 to gain qualifications, and 56,055 into further learning.

That is money that we're now not going to see

That's the money we aren't going to see hmm but isn't that the money back we already give EU in membership fees. £350 million we give each week with a return of £180million meaning we lose £170million a week in funding EU.... so in theory we will now have more money leaving EU basically means now that people have to get off their butt and actually earn their money in needing to negotiate trade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you actually know how much European Funding was directed into Wales ?

Achievements

Since 2007, EU projects have created 11,925 enterprises and 36,970 (gross) jobs, assisted 72,700 people into work, 229,110 to gain qualifications, and 56,055 into further learning.

That is money that we're now not going to see

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By *OWN AND COUNTY SOCIALSMan
over a year ago

CARMARTHEN

I totally agree with Tallmidwales and there is the benefit of Cameron resigning but it is to be in October unfortunately but that will give him time to complete his memoirs.

Casanova

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like or or dislike it. We are decided and we ALL have to live with the consequences. Good OR bad!

May we live in interesting times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted to stay in but the people have spoken so we are out.

I only found out yesterday that David Cameron could have ignored the referendum result and kept us in (which I didnt think he should of been allowed to do). He has decided to step down instead.

It could also be years before we actually leave the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like or or dislike it. We are decided and we ALL have to live with the consequences. Good OR bad!

May we live in interesting times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fewer politicians ruling over us is a good thing, thank fuck for that. The European gravy train has ended hoorah. The EU will now collapse in the coming years and the UK will become a world superpower again. Short term pain for long term gain. Best of all the people we vote into power will now be able to carry out the elctorates wishes rather than pandering to non elected self serving European career politicians like our very own windbag Neil Kinnock and his wife who have made personal fortunes out of Europe since being slung out of office here in the UK many years ago.

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By *_James80Man
over a year ago

Newport

"I voted out

If we had stayed in and turkey had joined out boarded would have been move to Syria

We then opened ourselves up to having terrorists coming here

Great news I think

my thoughts exactly! "

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

"I voted to stay in but the people have spoken so we are out.

I only found out yesterday that David Cameron could have ignored the referendum result and kept us in (which I didnt think he should of been allowed to do). He has decided to step down instead.

I can take up to 2 years once the application to leave has been made

It could also be years before we actually leave the EU."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fewer politicians ruling over us is a good thing, thank fuck for that. The European gravy train has ended hoorah. The EU will now collapse in the coming years and the UK will become a world superpower again. Short term pain for long term gain. Best of all the people we vote into power will now be able to carry out the elctorates wishes rather than pandering to non elected self serving European career politicians like our very own windbag Neil Kinnock and his wife who have made personal fortunes out of Europe since being slung out of office here in the UK many years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A very bad bad day as it was put we are totally fucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This "letting tertorists in" argument is all well and good but most terrorists who have commited or plotted to commit atrocious acts against the U.K in recent years have been born in this country. People seem to foget that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the UK is on the highest terrorist alert and has been for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This "letting tertorists in" argument is all well and good but most terrorists who have commited or plotted to commit atrocious acts against the U.K in recent years have been born in this country. People seem to foget that. "

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

I just feel that far right scaremongering and propaganda over immigration has blinded some people to other issues that certainly seems the case where I live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

The very fact that the majority of Wales voted to leave should be one hell of a wake up call for the politicans. They have not taken the welsh people seriously in a long time. Maybe now they will!

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

It says that people understandably felt disenfranchised by the political elite.

Sadly, their decision will lead to us being governed by an even more powerful elite, full of exactly the types of people they profess to despise. They won't be able to vote them out either, because Scotland will be gone.

I find it utterly astonishing that the area of the UK that has benefitted from more EU funding more than any other has ignored that help.

Its a classic example of biting the hand that feeds.

I suspect that people will soon change their tune when they realise how expensive it is to buy Euros for their holiday to Spain, how their pension has shrunk, when they realise there's not a new hospital built every week (see what Farage said this morning?) and when Boris starts chipping away at employment rights.

The EU will drive a hard bargain - look what they are saying to Switzerland right now - effectively "want to be be part of our economic club. Fine - accept free movement of people". Staying outside the single market will cost Welsh jobs - lots of them.

I hope things will stabilise, but exiting the EU immensely complicated and fraught with difficulty.

For the Brexiters - I'm pleased for you. I hope things work out OK. Let's come back in five years time and see honestly where we are. I'll happily say I'm wrong. I think this a massive disaster though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The statistics show that the majority of areas in Wales that voted to leave. Have high unemployment rates. Lets see what will happen if their benefits are stopped.

As for immingration where i live they are all hard working people and deserve as do many people from Wales who have immingrated aboard etc. Sad day indeed!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

It says that people understandably felt disenfranchised by the political elite.

I find it utterly astonishing that the area of the UK that has benefitted from more EU funding more than any other has ignored that help.

Its a classic example of biting the hand that feeds.

I hope things will stabilise, but exiting the EU immensely complicated and fraught with difficulty.

I hope it works out ok too for the sake of my childrens future. I fear sadly, however, that it will not

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

Just watched the news and it gave a breakdown of which areas supported staying in.... areas that wanted to stay in were either cities or richer areas. Poor and rural areas voted out because they do not really benefit from being in the EU to any where the same degree as London, Cardiff, Manchester etc

People still going on about EU funding like it is a big thing. It isn't for every pound we pay EU we on get 50p back would it be better to keep the whole pound for ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Illegal immigration is only going to get worse. What deterrent does France now have from stopping people reaching our country through the channel tunnel for example?

I certainly wouldn't want to be a farmer right now either.

This isn't a victory for democracy. Its a victory for the fascist right.

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By *rumph650Man
over a year ago

Cardiff

There is a compelling argument for staying in the EU and undoubtedly there will be repercussions for leaving. That said are there any ladies in the Cardiff area fancy an afternoon of uninhiberted sex before Europe strikes us all down? X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all voted the way we thought was right for us as individuals... The way people do when ever they vote.

What I find estonishing is the amount of people on here abusing others for voting the opposite to them. Talk about a you are wrong and I am right attitude...you seems to think all who voted yes are uneducated, miss informed, scared fools and racist fascists! No we just all voted for our own reasons!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We all voted the way we thought was right for us as individuals... The way people do when ever they vote.

To be fair I cannot see anyone abusing anyone on this thread, which is actually a refreshing change on here. Debate is healthy I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

It says that people understandably felt disenfranchised by the political elite.

I find it utterly astonishing that the area of the UK that has benefitted from more EU funding more than any other has ignored that help.

Its a classic example of biting the hand that feeds.

I hope things will stabilise, but exiting the EU immensely complicated and fraught with difficulty.

I'd agree with 99% of what you said, however I'd like to add that we do have a general election every 5 years or so, as for our Scotish friends I can understand their knee jerk reaction, I do however believe/hope they shall reconsider when the dust settles.

The EU funded infrastructre in Wales is going nowhere, we can still use the road improvemnets/industrial area's to our benefit, here's hoping we use them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We all voted the way we thought was right for us as individuals... The way people do when ever they vote.

To be fair I cannot see anyone abusing anyone on this thread, which is actually a refreshing change on here. Debate is healthy I think

I'll abuse you if that's what you really reall really want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We all voted the way we thought was right for us as individuals... The way people do when ever they vote.

To be fair I cannot see anyone abusing anyone on this thread, which is actually a refreshing change on here. Debate is healthy I think

I'll abuse you if that's what you really reall really want

Dyw dyw

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By *uddsWoman
over a year ago

st athans

"I personally dont think it is a good thing. The EU has bought good changes to my area. These changes could take at least 5 to 10 years to come into place. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Think its a big mistake!!!"

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By *uddsWoman
over a year ago

st athans

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay

thstrong."

this so called extra money will only line the pockets of the mp's

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By *alleycplCouple
over a year ago

gobblers knob

why so negative?,lets wait and see,switziland and norway seem to be doing ok

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"why so negative?,lets wait and see,switziland and norway seem to be doing ok"

That'd be the Norway model where, in return for access to the single market, they have to accept product standards, financial regulations, employment regulations, and pay a membership. All without being able to influence decision making.

I'm sure the newly emboldened Brexiters will be happy to go along with that model.

Especially the free movement of people bit.

You have to remember that Norway is a far more resource-rich country, especially through oil.

Oh, and go and ask the Swiss about their model. The EU has recently restated that they can only access the single market if they accept free movement of trade.

Again, how do the Brexiters feel about that?

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

You'll have guessed I think this is a dark day in the history of Wales and the UK.

I actually did laugh at this though. Here's some light relief:

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/24/thousands-of-british-refugees-make-dangerous-journey-across-the-irish-sea/

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By *ax-BangingMan
over a year ago

town

So sad to see how this has divided so many, all i have to say is voting with my head and heart and still thinking it's in the best for our future generations to be out of Europe doe's not make me or any others who voted out racist,xenophobic or thick.

It's time to pull together and build a better future and a better britain!!

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By *jcmjcCouple
over a year ago

Newport

In the way things are going on around the world it wouldn't be long before more started coming here

I for one don't think it's worth the risk

And we are all entitled to our own opinion this is just mine

The majority of Wales voted to leave so what does that say

None of these people know what they are talking about ?

It says that people understandably felt disenfranchised by the political elite.

I find it utterly astonishing that the area of the UK that has benefitted from more EU funding more than any other has ignored that help.

Its a classic example of biting the hand that feeds.

I hope things will stabilise, but exiting the EU immensely complicated and fraught with difficulty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So sad to see how this has divided so many, all i have to say is voting with my head and heart and still thinking it's in the best for our future generations to be out of Europe doe's not make me or any others who voted out racist,xenophobic or thick.

It's time to pull together and build a better future and a better britain!! "

We are with you on this, not racists or bigots, we have many other reasons to want out other than immigration which seems to be a bit of a sore subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why so negative?,lets wait and see,switziland and norway seem to be doing ok

I'm sure the newly emboldened Brexiters will be happy to go along with that model.

Especially the free movement of people bit.

You have to remember that Norway is a far more resource-rich country, especially through oil.

Oh, and go and ask the Swiss about their model. The EU has recently restated that they can only access the single market if they accept free movement of trade.

Again, how do the Brexiters feel about that?"

IMO a tad unfair drawing comparisons, both are physically in the continent, whilst we are seperated by a bit of water that even the strongest of swimers see as a hurdle. Both have significantly higher immigration, and more foreign born nationals, their economies outperform ours too, hopefully we can redress this, strong visionary leadership is required now more than ever

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"It's time to pull together and build a better future and a better britain!! "

All very lovely Max, and I'd love to agree with you, but there's been little more than these vague messages of hope on the leave side for years.

How the hell is this going to work on the ground when you need to negiotiate multiple trade agreements which can take years?

In the meantime, if you a large company deciding to invest in Wales or a EU country and the latter offers guaranteed access to a single market of many million (500?) people, which are you going to choose?

I'm afraid there are thick people on both sides of this. I had to point out to someone voting leave that the organisation they work in an admin role gets 100% of it.'a project funding from the EU. You'd think the plaque on the wall would have given a clue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's time to pull together and build a better future and a better britain!!

All very lovely Max, and I'd love to agree with you, but there's been little more than these vague messages of hope on the leave side for years.

How the hell is this going to work on the ground when you need to negiotiate multiple trade agreements which can take years?

So somebody that wants out is a little thick because their project/company they work for are funded by the EU?

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By *kip123Man
over a year ago

Barry

Jesus Christ people. Get a grip. The vote out is not compulsory. Get the facts right. The referendum was not an official law abiding vote. Cameron has indeed said he is standing down but, The government in power does not have to adhere to the vote. It can overrule the decision. Nothing is going to happen for two years if Britain does pull put. YOu can still go on holiday in Europe wherever you want. You will still get your pensions and benefits. Trade will still be done with Europe, both ways and the rest of the world. Originally, the voters to enter the Eu was taken by the generation of people who served in the last war to ensure another didn't happen in Europe. How many people who were in there 20s/30s actually voted all those years ago. We will still be in NATO. We can still work in Europe, As for trade, Countries from all over the world want to trade with us. We have just got through a recession that lasted 2 years. Man up and except the vote. Stop whinging and get your arses into gear and make Gt Britain great again in the eyes of the world.

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over a year ago

Love the people who moan about the result. Face it.

It was democratic and voted in by over 70 million people. So I would say that's fair.

Your day didn't change did it ?

Yes there will be ups and downs on the markets as they settle down but nothing much will change right away. We have 2 years to leave and alot can happen in that space of time.

Everyone worring on the back of media headlines shold keep call and carry on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus Christ people. Get a grip. The vote out is not compulsory. Get the facts right. The referendum was not an official law abiding vote. Cameron has indeed said he is standing down but, The government in power does not have to adhere to the vote. It can overrule the decision. Nothing is going to happen for two years if Britain does pull put. YOu can still go on holiday in Europe wherever you want. You will still get your pensions and benefits. Trade will still be done with Europe, both ways and the rest of the world. Originally, the voters to enter the Eu was taken by the generation of people who served in the last war to ensure another didn't happen in Europe. How many people who were in there 20s/30s actually voted all those years ago. We will still be in NATO. We can still work in Europe, As for trade, Countries from all over the world want to trade with us. We have just got through a recession that lasted 2 years. Man up and except the vote. Stop whinging and get your arses into gear and make Gt Britain great again in the eyes of the world."

Couldnt agree with you more. Well said

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"It's time to pull together and build a better future and a better britain!!

All very lovely Max, and I'd love to agree with you, but there's been little more than these vague messages of hope on the leave side for years.

How the hell is this going to work on the ground when you need to negiotiate multiple trade agreements which can take years?

So somebody that wants out is a little thick because their project/company they work for are funded by the EU? "

Well thick may be harsh, but it does seem a bit "turkeys voting for Christmas" if your job is reliant on EU funding and you vote out.

In fairness, I wasn't making a partisan point - I did say that there were plenty on the remain side who were just as bad - saying they're voting Remain so they can still go on holiday in Europe etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.

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By *all Mid WalesMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

Shot pain and work for long term benefits yes there UK will have negotiate with EU and non EU countries. But so what at least we are frr to negotiate with none EU countries.

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By *estwardboundCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

There were so many variables to this 'simple' question - and the consequences both maybe great and also disasterous.

I think there will be a general election very soon in November - the LibDems, Labour, SNP will run on one manifesto of rejoining the EU.

Add on top of that an EU that clearly did not listen the concerns of its citizens.

Interesting times we live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Roll on the next recession anytime soon!!

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"There were so many variables to this 'simple' question - and the consequences both maybe great and also disasterous.

I think there will be a general election very soon in November - the LibDems, Labour, SNP will run on one manifesto of rejoining the EU.

Add on top of that an EU that clearly did not listen the concerns of its citizens.

Interesting times we live in. "

Certainly interesting times.

I still think it was a disastrous, ill-conceived decision, but I'm feeling much brighter tonight.

It's clear that we've handed the nation over to Johnson and Gove, who have no idea where to go with this.

Add in Hannan (the supposed star of the leave campaign) and his words about the free movement of people on Newsnight. He'd said them before, but once they gain traction there's going to be huge swathes of leave campaigners who'll realise they're getting nothing like they expected.

Oh yeah, add in the lie about spending the $350 million on the NHS which has already fallen apart.

A general election could potentially be very interesting.

There's a long way to go on this. I think there's a decent chance there's going to be a lot of outraged leave supporters when all this plays out and it's clear what deal we end up with.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark,Dark day for Britain. Wales in particular, we have no ways and means of standing alone. If people had listened to the trade unions,they told us to remain or face job loses and further deprivation.And sure enough Aston Martin and Ford's already contemplating their futures here.

How can a Labour strong country slip so far right???

But hey,everyone has their opinion. Mine is only one. Good luck all,your gonna need it.

The People of Wales Voted overwhelmingly to Leave so how is it a dark day for Wales?

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over a year ago

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong.

Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can't believe that anyone could hold stock with all that shit. Our country is fucked. Our children's futures are fucked.

It's a great win for the far right and Farage. That makes it a sad day in my eyes.

I despair of our country and I'm ashamed to be British. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It was great news to wake up and find we are Out of the EU. We now have the freedom to trade with anyone we choose to. The money we sent to the EU can be re invested back into the UK.

More NHS funding. Education, Law and Border Enforcement, and Industry. The people of Wales cast their vote and it was a resounding Leave.

We are free from Brussels. We stood on our own before, we can do it again.

There is a big wide world out there. Not just the European Union. Our economy which is crap anyway, Thanks to Osborne. will flourish. Yes it may falter for a short time. But we will stay strong.

Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I can't believe that anyone could hold stock with all that shit. Our country is fucked. Our children's futures are fucked.

It's a great win for the far right and Farage. That makes it a sad day in my eyes.

I despair of our country and I'm ashamed to be British. "

Quite simple if your ashamed to be British. Revoke your citizenship and leave. As you are free to do so.

I am proud to be British and Scottish, and I am Proud to have Served this Great Country of Ours

Bye bye

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I am proud to be British and Scottish, and I am Proud to have Served this Great Country of Ours

Bye bye"

I served my country too and now spend my time helping others encouraging others to visit learn and learn about its history, landscapes and people.

There isn't a more passionate lover of Wales and the U.K out there than me.

I'm genuinely trying to be sanguine about this and hoping it'll work out fine. It's a monumental decision though, so it's inevitable that people are going to pour over this decision. Farage himself said 52:48 was unfinished business.

Aries, I can tell you're a decent guy. Most folk are. The leave voters don't have a monopoly on pride and love for their country though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are already coming regardless of the boarders....Wales is fucked it gpt the most funding from the EU and leople voted jist on tje grounds of immigration.....which isnt a problem in wales!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tipical british people will moan what ever the outcome was it just means hopfuly people will get off there lazy asses get a job and start putting into the system

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By *punkyhelmet5Man
over a year ago

Weston-super-mare

As far as immigration is concerned why not do as in Australia Canada etc if you have a job to come to and somewhere to.live your welcome if you havent fuck off your not welcome. If your already here and you havent put at least 12 months salary back into the economy zero benefits entitlement for you now wudnt that make life fairer?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As far as immigration is concerned why not do as in Australia Canada etc if you have a job to come to and somewhere to.live your welcome if you havent fuck off your not welcome. If your already here and you havent put at least 12 months salary back into the economy zero benefits entitlement for you now wudnt that make life fairer?"

It would make things so much easier indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I think I dont really get it.

I think its all just a peculiar game.

And soon Ill wake up and Ill forget it.

And everyone will know me by a different name.

I just wanted to be stronger

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