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"I am hoping we get out of the EU. And are free to Make our own laws again, Run our own Industry and NHS. 40 years of being ruined by the Prats in Brussells will hopefully end tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts ?" What makes you believe that the NHS is run by Brussels? | |||
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"I am hoping we get out of the EU. And are free to Make our own laws again, Run our own Industry and NHS. 40 years of being ruined by the Prats in Brussells will hopefully end tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts ? What makes you believe that the NHS is run by Brussels?" 40 years? the EU came into existance in 1993 | |||
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"I am hoping we get out of the EU. And are free to Make our own laws again, Run our own Industry and NHS. 40 years of being ruined by the Prats in Brussells will hopefully end tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts ?" Yes How on earth is Brussels to blame for the NHS? The fault for problems with it lie at the door of the UK government. Before someone says it - do you really think that the £350 million (which is a lie anyway) will be spent on the NHS? If we exit, you are handing power to people who will do more to destroy the NHS than anyone who has gone before. Do you seriously think the likes of Johnson, Farage and other right-wing demagogues care about it? Or the struggling communities of Wales, for that matter. I'm saying this and I'm not even a bloomin socialist! Wales has been a net beneficiary of Europe - we get back more than we pay in. Far from "ruining us" It's provided billions in funding to the poorest areas. This has helped to offset the lack of concern shown by our own UK politicians and the worst excesses of market forces. Those dual carriageways, those industrial estates, those environmentally enhanced former industrial sites. Who paid for them? Far from calling them "prats", people in Wales should be shaking their hand and saying thank you for helping us. If we vote out, in no time people will be moaning about politicians still, particularly once employment rights etc are threatened. Seriously - the fault for the things you identify lie far closer to home and won't be sorted by leaving. In fact, it'll make things worse I'd wager. | |||
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"I am hoping we get out of the EU. And are free to Make our own laws again, Run our own Industry and NHS. 40 years of being ruined by the Prats in Brussells will hopefully end tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts ? Yes How on earth is Brussels to blame for the NHS? The fault for problems with it lie at the door of the UK government. Before someone says it - do you really think that the £350 million (which is a lie anyway) will be spent on the NHS? If we exit, you are handing power to people who will do more to destroy the NHS than anyone who has gone before. Do you seriously think the likes of Johnson, Farage and other right-wing demagogues care about it? Or the struggling communities of Wales, for that matter. I'm saying this and I'm not even a bloomin socialist! Wales has been a net beneficiary of Europe - we get back more than we pay in. Far from "ruining us" It's provided billions in funding to the poorest areas. This has helped to offset the lack of concern shown by our own UK politicians and the worst excesses of market forces. Those dual carriageways, those industrial estates, those environmentally enhanced former industrial sites. Who paid for them? Far from calling them "prats", people in Wales should be shaking their hand and saying thank you for helping us. If we vote out, in no time people will be moaning about politicians still, particularly once employment rights etc are threatened. Seriously - the fault for the things you identify lie far closer to home and won't be sorted by leaving. In fact, it'll make things worse I'd wager. " Spot on. | |||
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"I am hoping we get out of the EU. And are free to Make our own laws again, Run our own Industry and NHS. 40 years of being ruined by the Prats in Brussells will hopefully end tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts ? Yes How on earth is Brussels to blame for the NHS? The fault for problems with it lie at the door of the UK government. Before someone says it - do you really think that the £350 million (which is a lie anyway) will be spent on the NHS? We pay £350 million, but get some back... why not just keep the whole £350 million? If we exit, you are handing power to people who will do more to destroy the NHS than anyone who has gone before. Do you seriously think the likes of Johnson, Farage and other right-wing demagogues care about it? Or the struggling communities of Wales, for that matter. I'm saying this and I'm not even a bloomin socialist! Wales has been a net beneficiary of Europe - we get back more than we pay in. Far from "ruining us" It's provided billions in funding to the poorest areas. This has helped to offset the lack of concern shown by our own UK politicians and the worst excesses of market forces. Those dual carriageways, those industrial estates, those environmentally enhanced former industrial sites. Who paid for them? Wales will lose out to poorer countries who are joining the EU, we will be pushed out of the funding queue, and get less money. The EU will not let the UK govt help the steel industry. The EU GIVES MONEY (our own money!!) to companies who are based in the UK to close factories here, and set them back up in other EU countries, we lose jobs, tax income etc. Far from calling them "prats", people in Wales should be shaking their hand and saying thank you for helping us. If we vote out, in no time people will be moaning about politicians still, particularly once employment rights etc are threatened. Most employment rights legislation was raised, and put through, by the UK govt, not the EU. Seriously - the fault for the things you identify lie far closer to home and won't be sorted by leaving. In fact, it'll make things worse I'd wager. " Vote leave, or risk the EU taking us staying as a green light for close integration, something they have made no secret of for more than a decade.  | |||
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"A very passionate debate for a lot of people. My view is. Don't listen to the scaremongering on either side. As we all know politicians and journalists just manipulate the facts to suit their own agenda. Just think long and hard and make a decision on what you think is best for you. But make sure you vote. This isn't a general election. There are no constituencies. Everyone's vote is equal. Don't be one of those people who can't be bothered to vote and then moans like fuck after. "  | |||
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"the eu started as the eec in 1957 and then the ec in 1980's then eu in 2009 and with each step more power was handed to brusels " Or do you mean the current EU was born from the ECSC (1951), EEC (1958), but wasn't the EU (as it stands now) untill 1993. Give it some thought | |||
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"the eu started as the eec in 1957 and then the ec in 1980's then eu in 2009 and with each step more power was handed to brusels Or do you mean the current EU was born from the ECSC (1951), EEC (1958), but wasn't the EU (as it stands now) untill 1993. Give it some thought " That's all a moot point anyway, the UK won't be leaving the EU the day after the referendum no matter which way the vote goes it will take time, probably lots of time in which the fictitious intergrators can run amok with all the lovely civil rights that our government have blessed us with, before long we'll all be speaking Esperanto, the monarcht replaced with fruit trees, and our national flag will be Mr Blobby. All as factual as the op | |||
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"Have you read the Lisbon Treaty regarding the Health Service and our Military?? " Yup. See the mistake Brexiters often make is tonthinknthat Remainers love everything about the EU. We don't - I think it's done a hell of a lot of good, but is flawed in many ways. Like you, I worry about the future of the NHS given things like TTIP. However, I worry more about placing it in the hands of Farage, Gove, Johnson and their market-obsessed ilk. The NHS is definitely finished then. | |||
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"Have you read the Lisbon Treaty regarding the Health Service and our Military?? Yup. See the mistake Brexiters often make is tonthinknthat Remainers love everything about the EU. We don't - I think it's done a hell of a lot of good, but is flawed in many ways. Like you, I worry about the future of the NHS given things like TTIP. However, I worry more about placing it in the hands of Farage, Gove, Johnson and their market-obsessed ilk. The NHS is definitely finished then." Yes we are Free of the EU or will be as it wont happen overnight. It is scary that we have Boris, Nigel and Gove lining up to lead the UK. As after the Referendum disaster for the Government. Cameron cannot remain as PM, and he resigned.People think that Boris or Nigel will just walk into No10 and take over. Not correct, whoever takes over from Moron as the Leader of the Tories will become defacto PM, until a General Election is called. Or the Lib dem deputy PM may wrest control and take up the reins. Who knows, but its going to be interesting. The United Kingdom will be strong again. And under the right Leadership flourish. | |||
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" The United Kingdom will be strong again. And under the right Leadership flourish. " I disagree | |||
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" The United Kingdom will be strong again. And under the right Leadership flourish. I disagree" We all now have little choice BUT to work to make the country flourish. | |||
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" The United Kingdom will be strong again. And under the right Leadership flourish. I disagree We all now have little choice BUT to work to make the country flourish." I do work Always have since leaving college | |||
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