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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just seen something on this morning about thatcher.

apparently they are selling off some of her personal items off.

ffs!! thought we had seen the last of her shit when they nailed her top down. A lot of good people sufferd because of that twat. Thoughts?

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By *ax-BangingMan
over a year ago

town

Best prime minster we have had in my life time !!

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By *ardiff123Man
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yes a lot of good people did suffer, however she has now passed on & I never feel it is correct to talk disrespectfully of any person who has passed on, it just doesn't sit comfortably with me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As these threads never end well I'm only posting on it once. .agree 100% with max.

Husband.

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

That woman was still someone's loved one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hitler was well loved too, had quite the following, He was a strong leader that stuck to his guns And the damage he did to the valleys didn't last 30 yrs?

But for some reason we should forget about what Thatcher (and Scargil did) because finally she died, people go down in history for what they did when they were alive, and it comes under the heading of history because of the legacy it left, some people are just harder to forget than others! Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!! X

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By *ax-BangingMan
over a year ago

town


"Hitler was well loved too, had quite the following, He was a strong leader that stuck to his guns And the damage he did to the valleys didn't last 30 yrs?

But for some reason we should forget about what Thatcher (and Scargil did) because finally she died, people go down in history for what they did when they were alive, and it comes under the heading of history because of the legacy it left, some people are just harder to forget than others! Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!! X"

Here we go so if a business is losing money you keep it open because to close it will upset a few people... Maggie thatcher had more bollocks than any Prime minster of my life time you're comment is a disgrace to speak ill of the dead is disgusting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a pity that there isn't someone like her now when we need her most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it Thatcher or Hitler I'm speaking ill of? Or is it ok to speak ill of some and not others??

Most mines were not loosing money, and coal is still wildy used as fuel, it was just that she decided it was a better idea to import it and the livelyhood of those dependant on it in Britain did not match up to ideals, this is not just about mines, but as most in those areas worked there, it affected the whole economy of that area,

You question should not be if a business is loosing money should you close it, but!!! If a community is struggling should you ignore it and close it down,

This was never about bricks and mortar, but about human beings and the detrimental effect it had on the health and well being of those within it,

Its unfortunate that there are people that seem to think that money is the most important and best example to use, when those that went through it were denied any while they were struggling to fight for a future!!

The whole thing is about people, humans, children, community, a sence of pride and definitely not about money!!

And I would say that anyone that is narrow minded enough to think of this as a money issue is sadly misguided and wrong

Shame on you??

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh


"Best prime minster we have had in my life time !!"

Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

Margaret Thatcher had an enormous impact on Britain and the world, but her legacy has been a more unequal, less prosperous Britain and world. She championed the wealthy and threw the national income to the wealthy, she systematically undermined the poor and middle classes. She championed neo-militarism and refusal to compromise in world affairs, undermining diplomacy.

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh


"Hitler was well loved too, had quite the following, He was a strong leader that stuck to his guns And the damage he did to the valleys didn't last 30 yrs?

But for some reason we should forget about what Thatcher (and Scargil did) because finally she died, people go down in history for what they did when they were alive, and it comes under the heading of history because of the legacy it left, some people are just harder to forget than others! Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!! X

Here we go so if a business is losing money you keep it open because to close it will upset a few people... Maggie thatcher had more bollocks than any Prime minster of my life time you're comment is a disgrace to speak ill of the dead is disgusting "

Naive and ill informed, people speak ill of the dead all the time, just cos you wanted to fuck Maggie dont make it wrong

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By *ax-BangingMan
over a year ago

town

Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These threads never end well, and I prefer to keep politics of the forums.

Make love, not war

Now, who wants a fuck ?

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh


"Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!! "

Who ties your shoes for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did actually laugh out loud!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!! "

Thatcher was actually what is known in the business sector as a bad example of manager, her style was to shout people down until they either agreed or got sacked, she didn't listen and the economy of the country when she left was crippled, with morgage rates and inflation at a record high of 15% and in resession, the country was in a total mess, and the only people that were happy were the type of Lilly livered people that are now running the country, the same people that idolise and have for some reason put a power crazed woman in a pedastol??

There are some very simple people that think because she said "this lady isn't for turning"think she was right, have you ever thought that if she turned it could have been better for everyone??

As for tithead?? What a debater you are

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By *sprey6Man
over a year ago

Here!

I bet she would have been a great shag! Imagine her as a dom lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I bet she would have been a great shag! Imagine her as a dom lol!

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With john major as her slut??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!!

Thatcher was actually what is known in the business sector as a bad example of manager, her style was to shout people down until they either agreed or got sacked, she didn't listen and the economy of the country when she left was crippled, with morgage rates and inflation at a record high of 15% and in resession, the country was in a total mess, and the only people that were happy were the type of Lilly livered people that are now running the country, the same people that idolise and have for some reason put a power crazed woman in a pedastol??

There are some very simple people that think because she said "this lady isn't for turning"think she was right, have you ever thought that if she turned it could have been better for everyone??

As for tithead?? What a debater you are

"

At least get your facts right. Yes interest rates did peak at 14%, however she left this country with a positive balance of payments, we weren't in hock to china and we could hold our place in the world.

Thatcher defeated Scargill by the simple expedient of democracy....Scargill REFUSED to hold a national vote on the strikes he called, therefore he did NOT have a mandate and the strikes and picketing were illegal.

Not everything was better under Thatcher, but she was a million times better than anything the labour party had to offer.

BTW by my reckoning you were 16 when she left office,and hopefully still in school/c0llege learning.

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh


"Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!!

Thatcher was actually what is known in the business sector as a bad example of manager, her style was to shout people down until they either agreed or got sacked, she didn't listen and the economy of the country when she left was crippled, with morgage rates and inflation at a record high of 15% and in resession, the country was in a total mess, and the only people that were happy were the type of Lilly livered people that are now running the country, the same people that idolise and have for some reason put a power crazed woman in a pedastol??

There are some very simple people that think because she said "this lady isn't for turning"think she was right, have you ever thought that if she turned it could have been better for everyone??

As for tithead?? What a debater you are

At least get your facts right. Yes interest rates did peak at 14%, however she left this country with a positive balance of payments, we weren't in hock to china and we could hold our place in the world.

Thatcher defeated Scargill by the simple expedient of democracy....Scargill REFUSED to hold a national vote on the strikes he called, therefore he did NOT have a mandate and the strikes and picketing were illegal.

Not everything was better under Thatcher, but she was a million times better than anything the labour party had to offer.

BTW by my reckoning you were 16 when she left office,and hopefully still in school/c0llege learning."

Obviously you dont tie his shoes then.

she sold everything off did you notice that? Offcours she done it to so the water/electric/gas/trains would be better run and profits reflect in the price to the people, so affordable now arent they? if you feel the need to re write history be more creative at least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fancying jam.......or noodles?.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No prime minister since, will be as respected as she was. All th sheeple statements. Does anyone thing that mines would be in full production today, especially since gas has just been given a life of 30 years before it's stoped for cooking and heating....

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh

Is english your first language?

None of what you said makes sense to me, not having a go, i just dont understand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing like Maggie Thatcher is get a conversation going certainly in this part of the world, and yes a divisive politician, whether on the right and left.

Firstly, Mrs T was merely a figurehead for a group of ideologues called 'Monetarists' whose sole aim was to restore British capitalism (which in their eyes was failing i.e. Keynesianism and sought to increase the rate of profit.(attck work conditions, de-unionidation) etc..

Secondly, Labour went to the IMF in 1976 who stated that they must carry out swinging public sector cuts and tackle inflation. This led to the winter of discontent and Callaghan went too late for an election,rest is history....

Mrs T was very unpopular in the early 80's only the Falklands rescuing her premiership with Labour divided and an SDP split.

Again rest is history with a trickle up effect rather than a trickle down with an emphasis on cheap credit and debt, continued by 'New' labour..to be cont..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When talking about the Thatcher years, the focus seems to settle on the miner's strike. What happened there was just one part of the Tories destruction of the manufacturing base of this country. They shifted the balance toward a finance and service industry based economy, leaving it wide open to fluctuations caused by other countries economic success or failure. There was no back-up plan, no manufacturing to tide us over. Germany, for example, not only retained, but boosted state support for manufacturing and now have a robust economy, able to stand the boom and bust problems we face every few years.

Yes, Thatcher was single minded, strong and charismatic, but she was wrong! She set this country up for a fall, and the fall will happen again and again until we get back to having a robust, varied economy. The longer we wait for this, the more difficult it will be to achieve.

Let's not forget Thatcher, we must look back on her as a failure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck Maggie get a grip tithead.... we all could do with her now she knew how to run a country and a economy and didn't let those idiot's in the euro tell us what to do we could do with her now instead of the Lilly livered bunch of idiots we got!!

Thatcher was actually what is known in the business sector as a bad example of manager, her style was to shout people down until they either agreed or got sacked, she didn't listen and the economy of the country when she left was crippled, with morgage rates and inflation at a record high of 15% and in resession, the country was in a total mess, and the only people that were happy were the type of Lilly livered people that are now running the country, the same people that idolise and have for some reason put a power crazed woman in a pedastol??

There are some very simple people that think because she said "this lady isn't for turning"think she was right, have you ever thought that if she turned it could have been better for everyone??

As for tithead?? What a debater you are

At least get your facts right. Yes interest rates did peak at 14%, however she left this country with a positive balance of payments, we weren't in hock to china and we could hold our place in the world.

Thatcher defeated Scargill by the simple expedient of democracy....Scargill REFUSED to hold a national vote on the strikes he called, therefore he did NOT have a mandate and the strikes and picketing were illegal.

Not everything was better under Thatcher, but she was a million times better than anything the labour party had to offer.

BTW by my reckoning you were 16 when she left office,and hopefully still in school/c0llege learning.

Obviously you dont tie his shoes then.

she sold everything off did you notice that? Offcours she done it to so the water/electric/gas/trains would be better run and profits reflect in the price to the people, so affordable now arent they? if you feel the need to re write history be more creative at least"

Not rewriting history....just stating the facts. And yes I used to work in the nationalised industry's so saw at first hand the tremendous amount of waste and double manning.

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By *nion boyMan
over a year ago

bajeeh

Yeah you were the only person ever to have worked there

im not saying public owned industry didnt have flaws, but to sell off the best bits and force people on to benefits is just a bit mad like, must be a port talbot trait obedience to government and hatred of the work force, didn't 30 % of the steel workers just vote to get screwed by the government again, the i'm alright jack gene must be passed down the generations there

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By *arrapsMan
over a year ago

port talbot


"Yeah you were the only person ever to have worked there

im not saying public owned industry didnt have flaws, but to sell off the best bits and force people on to benefits is just a bit mad like, must be a port talbot trait obedience to government and hatred of the work force, didn't 30 % of the steel workers just vote to get screwed by the government again, the i'm alright jack gene must be passed down the generations there"

You really do show your ignorance. perhaps you should put down the glass and step away from the keyboard.

My final word on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I bet she would have been a great shag! Imagine her as a dom lol!

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff


"I bet she would have been a great shag! Imagine her as a dom lol!

"

The late, great Christopher Hitchens tells a great story about the time he met Thatcher

Actually, I probably feel similar about Thatcher as he did years after her time as PM.

I hated her when growing up. I can see now the the country was in a mess and radical change was needed.

What I couldn't stomach was the perverse relish which many of her supporters took in seeing the mines closing. I lived in Middle England in her last few years as PM and the ignorance and vileness of some towards ordinary people (not just the left-wing hardliners) and the impact of de-industrialisation was truly shocking.

Personally, I think change was inevitable, but more should have been done to ease the pain of that change. The fact these were Labour heartlands didn't help with attitudes and perceptions.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tower operate successfully for 11 years after been closed by the government for economic reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lot's of lefties here i see, economics has always been a struggle for them hence every time they in power they bankrupt the country please tell me what have they done for wale's(labour)with

education and living standards the worst in the UK Time to wake up and smell the coffee and stop giving them control of Wale's x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whenever, Labour are in office they invariably come into contradiction with capital either to challenge it 'politically' or 'manage' it often betrays the very principles the stand for. As for bankrupting the country,I remember the ERM debacle when the Tories in power 1991-2, moreover, the 2008 crisis it didn't matter who was in power at this time both would have bailed out the failing banks.

As for Welsh Labour(not left-wing enough for me) has presided over an economy short funded from central government with the decrease in the block grant. No lectures from the right (on economics) when they presided over and destroyed the manufacturing base in S.Wales, in which we are currently still suffering from and which historically powered the British Empire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just seen something on this morning about thatcher.

apparently they are selling off some of her personal items off.

ffs!! thought we had seen the last of her shit when they nailed her top down. A lot of good people sufferd because of that twat. Thoughts?"

Controversial my opinion is I Agree

But opinions are like arseholes we all have one and the only one that matters is you own....

#fallout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like a hammer horror mystery monsters often reappear from their interred graves! down with bourgeois petty individualism, solidarity with all arseholes!!!

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By *ir1967Man
over a year ago

in da sticks, london, amsterdam, madrid


"Hitler was well loved too, had quite the following, He was a strong leader that stuck to his guns And the damage he did to the valleys didn't last 30 yrs?

But for some reason we should forget about what Thatcher (and Scargil did) because finally she died, people go down in history for what they did when they were alive, and it comes under the heading of history because of the legacy it left, some people are just harder to forget than others! Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!! X"

As a German born all I can say - this is so inappropriate to compare the both. One may like or dislike the political deeds of M Thatcher but it is in appropriate to compare someone who piled up individual bancruptcies (as bad as it is indeed to get into the situation ) with someone who piled up millions of dead bodies as result of industrialised genocide and worldwide warfare. I am utterly shocked about the lack of piety and the so cultivated British would be the last I would expect to issue such tasteless statement

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