FabSwingers.com forum: Govt snooping?

By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

brecon

So, the security services have admitted something that most people already at least suspected, which is that they have been snooping on landline calls for the last 10 years.

It's also a fairly open secret that they have been monitoring mobiles and the internet too for the last few years, so, does it bother you?

Are you of the opinion that "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"... or would you rather they minded their own business?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely ... nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

They can have a good laugh watching my phone and Internet use if they like, but I really think, and hope, that they have far more important and serious issues to monitor than swingers sex lives lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think you have anything to worry about, they know who to watch.

if it's keeping this country safe, I say carry on.

We got nothing to hide other than coming on here

and I don't think they be intrested in this site to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are snooping on us far more than ordinary Joe realises. Research it and it would scare you to death lol. Windows 10 is a big new tool for them avoid it like the plague. If you have nothing to hide or couldn't care less don't worry about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm of the opinion its big bro being nosey ...but then again if you have nothing to hide then there's nothing to fear.

But my internet usage is all t girl porn lately is that a crime ..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm afraid the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument doesn't work for me.

The right to privacy - private communications, thoughts etc is a basic human right.

Anyone who doesn't think we need privacy, please feel free to post your bank details, email credentials, change your screen names to your legal names, tell us your national insurance numbers etc.

The removal of privacy is a form of control, like a modern version of the panopticon.

Orwell's 1984 was meant to be a warning, not a goal.

So there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument doesn't work for me.

The right to privacy - private communications, thoughts etc is a basic human right.

Anyone who doesn't think we need privacy, please feel free to post your bank details, email credentials, change your screen names to your legal names, tell us your national insurance numbers etc.

The removal of privacy is a form of control, like a modern version of the panopticon.

Orwell's 1984 was meant to be a warning, not a goal.

So there. "

Totally agree with Mike.

Anyone that believes this is solely for the good of the country is being naïve. It will be used for a plethora of tax investigation purposes, health & general insurance, etc etc.

It is now all about control and limiting free will, making us believe we need what they have to offer.

Does anyone seriously think that social media is unmonitored or that we need cameras on country roads?????

Do nothing wrong and we have nothing to fear...rubbish. We all have skeletons, this will only allow them to dig deeper.

Mike for Global Leader

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

What are you on about? Bank details? do you think the government give a shit about ordinary peoples bank details or screen names, or whether they look at adult porn??? This is about paedophiles and terrorists and other very unsavoury dangerous people. Get off that human rights bus and get into the real world.

I personally want them to have the right to keep us safe anyway they can

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By *STAXxMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

Sky net is becoming self aware

Judgement day will be soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What are you on about? Bank details? do you think the government give a shit about ordinary peoples bank details or screen names, or whether they look at adult porn??? This is about paedophiles and terrorists and other very unsavoury dangerous people. Get off that human rights bus and get into the real world.

I personally want them to have the right to keep us safe anyway they can "

I fully agree, as someone who has served this country for over 23 years, I find it odd that people talk about the right to have freedom and privacy, yet forget was is needed to keep this country safe and free. You have human rights because others protect them, whether as part of the forces or as government security. Security isn't free, it comes at cost.

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By *ax-BangingMan
over a year ago

town

"I'm afraid the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument doesn't work for me.

The right to privacy - private communications, thoughts etc is a basic human right.

Anyone who doesn't think we need privacy, please feel free to post your bank details, email credentials, change your screen names to your legal names, tell us your national insurance numbers etc.

The removal of privacy is a form of control, like a modern version of the panopticon.

Orwell's 1984 was meant to be a warning, not a goal.

So there.

Totally agree with Mike.

Anyone that believes this is solely for the good of the country is being naïve. It will be used for a plethora of tax investigation purposes, health & general insurance, etc etc.

It is now all about control and limiting free will, making us believe we need what they have to offer.

Does anyone seriously think that social media is unmonitored or that we need cameras on country roads?????

Do nothing wrong and we have nothing to fear...rubbish. We all have skeletons, this will only allow them to dig deeper.

Mike for Global Leader

Nail on head

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

I have a friend who works in this field for the old bill. I really don't think they have either the time or resources to be interested in what us lot do on here to be perfectly honest, unless you happen to be viewing child porn and cut up your step sister then hide her body parts in suit cases.

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By *elshwallMan
over a year ago

swansea

The problem isn't what they planning to use the power for Now, it's just a small step towards using it for anything they feel like in the future...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem isn't what they planning to use the power for Now, it's just a small step towards using it for anything they feel like in the future...

Absolutely. Giving the ability to retrospectively persecute people for what are established to be crimes after the fact (whether it is used or not) is the thin end of the wedge.

You know who used to keep in depth files on "innocent" people who had nothing to hide? The Stasi and the KGB.

And of course, they only used their powers to protect the people.

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Your living in a George Orwell, Joseph Stalin dream world, thin end of what wedge? If they collect all my data now and keep it for the next 50 years, as long as I keep within the law, watch a bit of adult porn, and indulge in a bit of swinging now and again, Tell me? Do you think the government will give a toss?? Your trying to protect the rights of the wrong people.

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

Everyone is entitled to an opinion remember people!

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By *STAXxMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Your living in a George Orwell, Joseph Stalin dream world, thin end of what wedge? If they collect all my data now and keep it for the next 50 years, as long as I keep within the law, watch a bit of adult porn, and indulge in a bit of swinging now and again, Tell me? Do you think the government will give a toss?? Your trying to protect the rights of the wrong people. "

To quote George "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf".

I whole heartedly agree but you'll never please everyone n one cleverly written news article has people change there opinion

For instance it was an outrage to lots that the drone strike took out the cardiff isis guy that they obviously had a lot of Intel on

But if he'd of succeeded in a attack over here the outrage would of been why didn't we do something about it when we had the chance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It isn't just about looking at porn or swinging though. Is that all you use the Internet and your phone for? Really? No banking, no shopping, no social stuff like Facebook and Twitter? No photos? Videos?

It's about using a combination of telephone, Internet and other records and metadata to create profiles of innocent citizens.

Programs like PRISM et al (not imaginary, and neither for that matter was Stalin) are used for exactly this and are happening right now.

We're talking about government programs that know who you are, where you are, who your friends and family are, the contents of your conversations, your travel arrangements, what you buy and where from.

Who handles that data? How is it stored? Who has access to it? What is it used for - not just now, but in the future? What happens if idiots come to power and start abusing it (please don't tell me that I'm living in a dream world - the rise of the right in 1930's Germany happened. And if that's not enough, look at the more recent rise of the right in countries like Greece).

I have no problem with surveillance of individuals where there is probable cause, or justifiable, legal reasons for it.

But blanket capture and storage of data of the entire nation just doesn't sit right with me.

An absence of privacy destroys freedom of thought and speech. And with no free speech, any chance of effective democracy goes down the pan.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

our data is being collected and linked all the time, only yesterday I looked at something on my mobile, and later I had ads for it on FB, on my laptop. Everything is now linked.. thankfully links to Fab dont yet show in my FB.. god forbid ever they did. Then again if 'they' are going to bombard me with ads, I'd at least rather be exposed to ones I am interested in, rather than not.

And when it comes to spying on other things, it's about time 'they' did something about those in power who are corrupt or not paying taxes. But then, it is 'they' who are the ones doing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said Mike. A large majority of the population are foolishly accepting this intrusion into all our private lifes, without understanding how bad it currently is and how much worse it could get. The minority of us who research this issue have an almost impossible task convincing the remainder of the population how vital all our personal freedoms are. Wakey, wakey people!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get what you lot are saying ... honest I do (except when you're using long words) .... but I still don't feel violated or in danger by the government knowing where I go on holiday, what I talk to my family about and that I usually have fuck all in my bank account? ??

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By *roggMan
over a year ago

haverfordwest

"I get what you lot are saying ... honest I do (except when you're using long words) .... but I still don't feel violated or in danger by the government knowing where I go on holiday, what I talk to my family about and that I usually have fuck all in my bank account? ??"
a straight talking woman who tells it as it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

same here Rosie xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I've said before, unless they like pug videos, travelling a lot or pouty selfies, they'd be bored shitless looking at mine. Best of luck to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does the government have the money, time, people or any other resources needed to keep check on every person that uses the internet in Britain then ?

Just asking like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does the government have the money, time, people or any other resources needed to keep check on every person that uses the internet in Britain then ?

Just asking like

Yep. In fact our collection mechanisms are more wide ranging than those in the US (according to Mr Snowden). Google Tempora, and watch docs like Citizenfour if you want to know how bad it really is.

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By *itenDaysCouple
over a year ago

Vale of Glamorgan

This has been going on for longer than 10 years ever since the ability to communicate has happened. Chinese whispers and idle gossip were around well before the technology. Nowadays it seems that people have a lot of time on their hands with little better to do. Come on a group of teenagers hacked a multimillion pound business with ease, selling all their details for as little as 20p nothing is safe nowadays be alert and be safe people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok but who reads all this information to see who is up to no good ?

Or am I just simplifying things ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok but who reads all this information to see who is up to no good ?

Or am I just simplifying things ?"

A little. It's too complicated to explain fully here, but Citizenfour is extremely accessible and explains it very well. It's an excellent starting point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok Ill take a look

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By *itenDaysCouple
over a year ago

Vale of Glamorgan

The crazy thing is every government is at it but why is ours being so open, when others are very cagey about what they get up to and as they say if you open a door others will look into it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spying.....or collecting peoples data if you like....was used extensively to over throw striking miners in the seventies...we have no mines anymore ...just memories....your data is collected on key word analysis..I.e. you type in the leader of parliaments name you score 3.....type in the utensil for cutting bread in the same sentence and your score shoots up to 10....the worse thing is only people who are naturally suspicious get to analyse it all

Sleep safe fabsters xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It pisses me off, but all theyd find is fab and pages and pages of porn lol. My social media profile is more or less non existent and I dont do internet banking

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Some of you are missing the point, i don't agree with giving Private companies or the like any information about me. This is our British government keeping us safe, by collecting as much information as possible, so we can get on a bus, the tube, a plane without being blown up, or hacked to death in the street by some crazy that's been led astray by chatting online with another crazy hundreds of miles away. The likes of Shami Chakrabarti and some who commented on here are worried about these deluded peopls human rights. So for me!! I give my government permission to use every thing in their power to keep me and my family safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think anyone is missing the point, the concern is how much this is open to abuse...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not missing the point. I'm just accepting that my life isn't that interesting to be worried about it being scrutinised .... after all ... I spend far too much time on this site, commenting on forum threads and chatting to other sex crazy peeps!

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Everything in life is open to abuse?? Let's all be insular then and hope for the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously, *they* say they're doing it for your own good and the majority of the public believe *them* and let them slowly chip away at your liberties and your right to privacy...

But you don't care because they're keeping you safe and anyway these things don't affect you because you've got nothing to hide, right?

But what if it is affecting you?

This is the government that quietly banned a load of things in the porn industry last year:

"Three banned acts were deemed life threatening: strangulation, facesitting and fisting.

Other acts banned included spanking beyond a gentle level, full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) and - bizarrely - female ejaculation."

Theresa May frankly scares the crap out of me and it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that she could be the next conservative prime minister. What happens if she decides to do worse - now she's got all our information!?

It is the thin end of the wedge, and plenty of people in Germany in the '30s and '40s thought they had nothing to hide or weren't doing anything wrong - until they got carted off to the concentration camps...

Or what's happening in Turkey today, for example, all in the interests of 'security' - not to mention all the many cases of mistaken identity where innocent members of the public are being banged up in jail without proper recourse to justice.

It's a bad thing getting worse. We can still stop it now, we don't want to get to a point where we wake up one day in a police state and realise that we can't do anything any more because we slowly gave away our freedoms to those that claimed they were protecting us...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously, *they* say they're doing it for your own good and the majority of the public believe *them* and let them slowly chip away at your liberties and your right to privacy...

But you don't care because they're keeping you safe and anyway these things don't affect you because you've got nothing to hide, right?

But what if it is affecting you?

This is the government that quietly banned a load of things in the porn industry last year:

"Three banned acts were deemed life threatening: strangulation, facesitting and fisting.

Other acts banned included spanking beyond a gentle level, full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) and - bizarrely - female ejaculation."

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Ohh...We've just made a date for tonight off this forum. You can't beat a bit of debate sex lol xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ohh...We've just made a date for tonight off this forum. You can't beat a bit of debate sex lol xxxx

Ha ha!

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Well Sir Gal

I'm going to be spanked beyond a gentle level, definitely full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) will be involved and ending (I hope) female ejaculation.

We're going so be thrown in jail for this if the snoopers are on to us haha x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well Sir Gal

I'm going to be spanked beyond a gentle level, definitely full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) will be involved and ending (I hope) female ejaculation.

We're going so be thrown in jail for this if the snoopers are on to us haha x

Good for you ... vive la revolution!!

(Just don't film it hun ... just in case! )

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By *nlyfun77Couple
over a year ago

valleys

Your right Rosie, I've changed my mind now. The government are just nosey bastards. x

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By *bw queen of spadesWoman
over a year ago

neath

the simple truth is the majority of people who are doing the stuff that the powers that be are supposed to use the monitoring eavesdropping software to monitor and catalogue are not using what us as the general population use to communicate smatter people doing things they shouldn't use anonymize and un traceable routers vpn's and search through deep web applications and use anonymous pay as you go

knowing all this nothing to hide nothing to fear isn't the personal liberties argument if I remember there was just 12 months ago a massive scandal that the government turned over the national medical documents with the reason that it was to benefit the country after it went through the info was sold on to information company's while this is nothing that bothers me personally imagine failing an interview because your considered a risk due to having a fully controlled condition that you legally do not need to declare but the employer can simply purchase from a broker again legally I think earlier references to 1985 arnt far off tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many phone cals are made in this country? Millions probably. Same goes for website visits, millions of them. How many people do you think are monitoring this? Get real people! The government is not interested in the vast majority of people, they will monitor the comms of people and organisations 'of interest' to the security services and quite rightly so.

Let's not stress over this, just get on and live your lives.

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