FabSwingers.com forum: Hypothetical new club

By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

Purely hypothetical, I have and commit to no plans! However...

I've lived in rural places, or places that don't have a big central population all my life. Trying to find or join any alt sex communities is nigh on impossible. We know why, and this isn't a spoon feeding exercise.

So, if a new club were to succeed - what would it need? Beyond a permanent(ish) space, beyond the obvious. Obviously there needs to be continued interest to justify its ongoing operation. And I think there lies the issue. What would a new club need to keep renewed interest and attract regular and new folk alike?

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By *ubAMasterTCouple
over a year ago

Gorseinon

There was one in Swansea a few years ago. It had a very good following with regular opening times. It closed due to the building going to be redeveloped but that has never happened. The one thing that lacked was that it did not havethe full sex club licence, penetrative sex was not allowed. It had a good selection of equipment available.

Think that the demand is there, just need a place and someone with money to fund it.

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli

"Purely hypothetical, I have and commit to no plans! However...

Not big like chams -

Good central area / bar

Good hosts

Wet area - hot tub

Good showers

Good change facilities

TV or cinema room ..

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By *heoriginalCJMan
over a year ago

mystic valley

"Purely hypothetical, I have and commit to no plans! However...

Not big like chams -

Good central area / bar

Good hosts

Wet area - hot tub

Good showers

Good change facilities

TV or cinema room ..

Maybe trying to ensure Good attendance by putting on theme nights to cater for all tastes ?

A good deongen goes a long way

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By *ananaNoDramaMan
over a year ago

Caerdydd

If you ever get the chance, visit Rio’s in London. If I were ever to start a club, I’d copy their model as they have what appears to be a very successful business. However, this is obviously also helped by having such a large population in easy public transport reach but it must surely be possible to scale it down to some extent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I second all of the above, good luck in the venture if the hypothetical does one day turn into a reality x

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By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"If you ever get the chance, visit Rio’s in London. If I were ever to start a club, I’d copy their model as they have what appears to be a very successful business. However, this is obviously also helped by having such a large population in easy public transport reach but it must surely be possible to scale it down to some extent."

This is the crux of it isn't it. Not having those factors works against any venture. So to counter that there has to be something to continually draw a smaller crowd. Or increase the potential pool of people who'd be interested.

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By *3xymamaWoman
over a year ago

Uptown Top Ranking

It would be good to have another club in Wales. Not necessarily a dress down or wet club as such... Chams in Newport isn't a patch on the Darlaston Chams

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By *orky2Man
over a year ago

visiting Stevenage

Something along the lines of the Garden of Eden which was in Nevern. Secluded, remote and good fun!

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By *efByOrgasmsMan
over a year ago

Heads of the Valleys

Route 69 normally host a greedy girl day on a Wednesday.

If you was thinking of the location. I think a rural club would be hard unless there's plenty of hotels or something like that nearby.

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By *trueceltMan
over a year ago

Bristol

I've been wrestling with the same knotty problem since I moved to Wales. Have you considered a resort rather than a club? That way the location can be rural and a desirable destination in itself. Something akin to a Welsh Hedonism.

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli

The closed down corran spa and hotel near laugharne would be perfect

Need deep pockets tho

Make a great resort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd definitely attend if you get one up and running

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I offered a couple who wanted to open one in west wales advice early this year including my alcohol license they were so stuck up and brain dead I wouldn’t waste my time again won’t happen ever down here sadly

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By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"I offered a couple who wanted to open one in west wales advice early this year including my alcohol license they were so stuck up and brain dead I wouldn’t waste my time again won’t happen ever down here sadly "

While I appreciate you not wanting to waste your time again, as I said this is entirely hypothetical to ensure no hopes were pinned.

Things won't happen if they aren't talked about and there's no common interest. It won't be me, or the next person who reads this. But it may resonate with someone who is able to push something forwards.

The negativity is understandable, but even if this all make believe for now - let's be positive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t of been more positive at time to offer a license holder to push through sales and my own money but hey ho if that’s negative we are already in different ball park

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By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

At the sure that was an amazing gesture, and if it was offered here in a situation where something real could be done with it I'd bite your hand off for it!

But this is now, and not that situation. All this is is sharing on ideas on what it would take to make something successful. Not investing into the next big thing in Wales!

I'm sorry you had a shit experience with your generosity, but that really shouldn't be projected here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just being honest has anyone else offered more then? No and it’s why it will never happen if so it would have before we are going to experience tough times next few years and would be even harder to start a new club now just don’t see the drive and vision elsewhere sorry babe

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By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"Just being honest has anyone else offered more then? No and it’s why it will never happen if so it would have before we are going to experience tough times next few years and would be even harder to start a new club now just don’t see the drive and vision elsewhere sorry babe "

Babe, haha. Just nope. Anyway, moving on to the next good suggestion!

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By *ovis and GreeneyesCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Babe, haha. Just nope. Anyway, moving on to the next good suggestion!

Somewhere with space to camp/caravan or motorhome would be a huge bonus especially in rural areas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever happened to the place in Swansea that was cunningly disguised as a terraced house..??

Just up around the Uplands it was if memory serves and I’m sure it was called Fanny’s of all things..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fanny's was awful, seedy, felt dirty. Went once. You have to think about business ventures from different angles. Not just what you think it needs but also what it doesn't. So your market, from Carmarthen in say a 40 mile radius you have well over half a million people. There will be plenty of potential swingers out there. What stops them going. Well many many people won't go to a club. They are shy, body conscious, newbies, worried about stories of mass fucking that is out of control. They may not want to have to undress just to go in. They really want the security of a pub social where sex is permitted. Half a fully blown fuck fest, half pub. Dress to make them comfortable not embarrassed. Obviously a dress code of some sorts. Licensed Obviously. Theme nights incudes non sex meet and intro, like happy hour. Creative pricing. Must have an upmarket clean feel. Some people fear the hygiene factor. Don't make it to big, not enough people will make it feel forbidding. Good local area lifestyle awareness and education. De stigmatise it. One in four adults is thought to want to or are currently swingers. Picking the right business partners that bring something to the table. Free thinkers who challenge the norm and bring energy, positive creativity, drive. Resilience. Its going to take a while for your reputation to build. But, when all is said and done. The market demand is definitely there, you just got to package the supply in a way that most customers find it easier th explore.

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By *imply mikeMan
over a year ago

Barry

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By *imply mikeMan
over a year ago

Barry

Good clean facilities, showers, out of the city to keep prices low, a group of people to run it where the work is carried out by members and therefore keeping costs down, take in turns behind bar, this runs well for yacht clubs where the members run it and take turns doing tasks and definately keeps upkeep costs low.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good clean facilities, showers, out of the city to keep prices low, a group of people to run it where the work is carried out by members and therefore keeping costs down, take in turns behind bar, this runs well for yacht clubs where the members run it and take turns doing tasks and definately keeps upkeep costs low."

All good feedback x

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By *affygt61Man
over a year ago

rhondda

What about going to your local social meetings and talking to people to see how they feel about it. Some people prefer social meets to full on. It's a starting point. Good luck

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By *ackwoody11Man
over a year ago

swansea

I never heard anything good about fanny's so never went best club I have been to is Adfabs it's a great facility but don't think it would suit Wales because of numbers and its size

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli

We used to go to a club in Leics called new paradise. ( sadly adjoining unit burnt down and took club with it )

Industrial estate out of town

Not imposing like chams etc

Run on a rota basis by members

BYOB but all soft drinks and Snaks purchased at club

Pool table / dungeon/ big playroom and a small playroom / jacuzzi and lockers / cinema room

Few nice tucked away areas to chat …

Even on quiet night lots of fun ….

A great model especially area as industrial estates usually quiet at night …

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By *unshine500Man
over a year ago

west wales

Living also in a rural area, i think if one was open im sure the local area would pull people from further afield to visit and maybe stay?

Even if it is only something small to start off as,

But as many have mentioned you will have to have a bar, showers etc

I know if one was opened in the local area a few couples, females and myself would attend

Its a lot to think about, and many will have different opinions what is needed l, but a great topic to bring up in the forum

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By *hiversMan
over a year ago

Dinas Powys

Everything everyone else has mentioned, but decent parking, especially if remote. Somewhere near(ish) to stay depending on exactly where it is...

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli

"I never heard anything good about fanny's so never went best club I have been to is Adfabs it's a great facility but don't think it would suit Wales because of numbers and its size

Abfabs/kestrels is class

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By *ackwoody11Man
over a year ago

swansea

"I never heard anything good about fanny's so never went best club I have been to is Adfabs it's a great facility but don't think it would suit Wales because of numbers and its size

Abfabs/kestrels is class "

Went to pleasures in Kent as well nowhere near as good the nearest we ever had was in Tredegar but that was more of a party than a venue that happened every month in a massive bungalow

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By *ac711Man
over a year ago

south Wales

"Something along the lines of the Garden of Eden which was in Nevern. Secluded, remote and good fun! "

I enjoyed going there on a few occasions until the documentary came out on the telly

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By *idyn Mawr 87Man
over a year ago

Swansea

All the suggestions I've read sound good. I'd love another one in Wales. Not had the chance to go to Chams but I'd like to. Would prefer one closer to Swansea though trips can get expensive when you don't have a driving license

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli

It doesn’t have to be a permanent club

Could be a ‘monthly takeover ‘ at a

Hotel

Spa

Massage parlour

Large house

As long as you get exclusivity and advertise it well..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slow burner approach will be needed this neck of woods alcohol Free bring your own to begin with and gain credibility has to be in my opinion until

Confidence and reputation grows and then sustainable growth achieved sorry if boring but only way I can see one take off here

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By *mber and Fire OP Couple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

So West Wales really does seem to be screaming out for some sort of regular event beyond socials.

This is still hypothetical, but if the issue were to be addressed this is what I think needs to be considered to get something going...

Events are tricky to manage, even just house parties - though I'd imagine they become easier to host through time, experience and reputation. Given that there are regular and successful private parties, I think that's what needs to be emulated on a larger scale.

So, if I were an organising sort of person I'd pull together people I know either through reputation or personally to make it a group endeavour. There's a wealth of experience and connections to draw from, and absolutely no reason to go it alone when it's for the benefit of everyone.

The location isn't as tricky as I first considered, but it could be complex. It needs to be somewhere remoteish or at least very private with good transport links. Beyond that, with permission most places could be turned into something more than functional. With connections, equipment and resources could be lent - making it a real community led effort. Involvement brings ownership - and people commit more when they have a vested interest. We've been to bdsm house parties that if you didn't know, you'd swear were professional events.

I don't think going a permanent club route would be the best way to start. Temporary but organised breeds interest but also stops short of a full commitment if long term interests begins to wane. Build a strong, vibrant community so a permanent club becomes an inevitability rather than a risk.

Just some late night thoughts. Pull apart, tear away. Maybe it'll be of use to someone out there who has the ability to do it.

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By *ehindcloseddoors81Man
over a year ago

South/Mid Wales

"I never heard anything good about fanny's so never went best club I have been to is Adfabs it's a great facility but don't think it would suit Wales because of numbers and its size

Abfabs/kestrels is class

Went to pleasures in Kent as well nowhere near as good the nearest we ever had was in Tredegar but that was more of a party than a venue that happened every month in a massive bungalow "

Was it a bungalow or huge cottage in the town centre?

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By *unshine500Man
over a year ago

west wales

"So West Wales really does seem to be screaming out for some sort of regular event beyond socials.

This is still hypothetical, but if the issue were to be addressed this is what I think needs to be considered to get something going...

Just some late night thoughts. Pull apart, tear away. Maybe it'll be of use to someone out there who has the ability to do it."

Well said there!

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