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"A joke until they come across the border on their days out or to travel to work." Yes there should be the same rules through the country it's simply political scoring with Welsh and Scottish parliaments to announce they're plans a day or two before this evening. | |||
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"A joke until they come across the border on their days out or to travel to work. Yes there should be the same rules through the country it's simply political scoring with Welsh and Scottish parliaments to announce they're plans a day or two before this evening." Political scoring? They're taking different approaches. | |||
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"It’s quite simple really... If you can go to work, you can. But don't, if you can't. But if you can't get there, then don't. But you should. But not on public transport. But cycle if you can. But only near people in your own house. And if you can do that then maybe you can go to work L x" your absolutely right its notconfusing one little bit and i wish he'd comb his fucking hair | |||
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"Without getting to political, the national gov. Started the process of closing pubs and then the lockdown, since then the devolved areas, have tried to get in there first on any extension and IMO try to undermine Westminster. " Undermine? How? They're taking subtly different approaches based on what they feel is best for their countries. | |||
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"By announcing there will be no changes in Wales or Scotland prior to the PM making his speech, they knew what he was going to say as it had been discussed before hand with them." Can you prove it had been discussed with the devolved governments? They are saying it hadn't. Given the 50 pager only got written last night I doubt there was meaningful conversation last week. | |||
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"Very dangerous to diverge from the United front we had before the weekend, this will cause utter confusion and lead to many more unnecessary infections and ultimately deaths. I hope I'm wrong but there will be loads of people who live in England coming over the border for their excersise now, the countryside will be full of visitors who will then be confused when they receive a fine from the police. Boris has shown he couldn't give a shit about anyone outside the South East by saying we are passed the peak, some areas of Wales are nowhere near passed the peak yet. Why do we put ourselves through this? Being constantly undermined by the UK government is doing nothing for the prosperity of Wales in good times and now we are in crisis he's signing death warrants with his noncense. Not once did he mention that the rules apply only in England, social media is full of people thinking their kids are going back to school on June the 1st but they are not in Wales! We will always have to put up with this type of shit if we don't vote with our feet and leave the union. Annibyniaeth yw'r ffordd ymlaen" This guy gets it  | |||
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"Matt Lucas summer it up perfectly. Check social media for his take on it " Saw it on Twitter He sounds more like Boris than Boris does  | |||
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"Very dangerous to diverge from the United front we had before the weekend, this will cause utter confusion and lead to many more unnecessary infections and ultimately deaths. I hope I'm wrong but there will be loads of people who live in England coming over the border for their excersise now, the countryside will be full of visitors who will then be confused when they receive a fine from the police. Boris has shown he couldn't give a shit about anyone outside the South East by saying we are passed the peak, some areas of Wales are nowhere near passed the peak yet. Why do we put ourselves through this? Being constantly undermined by the UK government is doing nothing for the prosperity of Wales in good times and now we are in crisis he's signing death warrants with his noncense. Not once did he mention that the rules apply only in England, social media is full of people thinking their kids are going back to school on June the 1st but they are not in Wales! We will always have to put up with this type of shit if we don't vote with our feet and leave the union. Annibyniaeth yw'r ffordd ymlaen This guy gets it "In leaving 'The Union' presumably you have a plan to reduce the net fiscal deficit for Wales of some £13bn. The big numbers are healthcare, schools and social services - got a list of what you are going to axe first? Alternatively leave the Union and keep your fingers crossed you can persuade enough voters for us to rejoin the EU and ask them for a handout. Might take a few years but hey, those mothballed hospitals can be re-opened again right?  | |||
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"Very dangerous to diverge from the United front we had before the weekend, this will cause utter confusion and lead to many more unnecessary infections and ultimately deaths. I hope I'm wrong but there will be loads of people who live in England coming over the border for their excersise now, the countryside will be full of visitors who will then be confused when they receive a fine from the police. Boris has shown he couldn't give a shit about anyone outside the South East by saying we are passed the peak, some areas of Wales are nowhere near passed the peak yet. Why do we put ourselves through this? Being constantly undermined by the UK government is doing nothing for the prosperity of Wales in good times and now we are in crisis he's signing death warrants with his noncense. Not once did he mention that the rules apply only in England, social media is full of people thinking their kids are going back to school on June the 1st but they are not in Wales! We will always have to put up with this type of shit if we don't vote with our feet and leave the union. Annibyniaeth yw'r ffordd ymlaen This guy gets it
In leaving 'The Union' presumably you have a plan to reduce the net fiscal deficit for Wales of some £13bn. The big numbers are healthcare, schools and social services - got a list of what you are going to axe first?
Alternatively leave the Union and keep your fingers crossed you can persuade enough voters for us to rejoin the EU and ask them for a handout. Might take a few years but hey, those mothballed hospitals can be re-opened again right? "£13bn includes monies spent on infrastructure projects that have no benefit to Wales, like HS2. We spend a disproportionate amount of our GDP on defence too. Talking of GDP, an independent Wales would be better placed to increase GDP and the tax take. Look at Ireland. They had a tiny GDP in the 60s (smaller than Wales'), now look at them. Why are brit nats always so obsessed with a fiscal deficit anyway. Have you seen the size of the UK deficit? How does the UK survive? I'm sure it wouldn't be easy (nothing worth doing ever is) but I don't believe the 'too small, too poor, too stupid' argument. It's sad that many of us Welsh lack the confidence in Wales and its people. | |||
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"Ok let's start by scrapping the military in Wales - £1.8bn, cut transport expenditure entirely - £1.3bn And yes I already know that the UK is run on borrowed money. Wales' debt interest contribution is £2.1bn, let's give the UK government the big finger on that one....we're still £8bn short. Until there is sufficient private enterprise in Wales to pay for our public sector economy then leaving is not an option no matter how optimistic we are. " Why does an independent Wales have to balance the books when the UK doesn't? There will never be sufficient private enterprise in Wales whilst under Westminster rule. We are an irrelevance to Westminster and will never benefit from specific wealth generation activities. How many countries have gained independence from the UK? And how many have want to come back? The ratio is quite clear. | |||
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"Ok let's start by scrapping the military in Wales - £1.8bn, cut transport expenditure entirely - £1.3bn And yes I already know that the UK is run on borrowed money. Wales' debt interest contribution is £2.1bn, let's give the UK government the big finger on that one....we're still £8bn short. Until there is sufficient private enterprise in Wales to pay for our public sector economy then leaving is not an option no matter how optimistic we are. Why does an independent Wales have to balance the books when the UK doesn't? There will never be sufficient private enterprise in Wales whilst under Westminster rule. We are an irrelevance to Westminster and will never benefit from specific wealth generation activities. How many countries have gained independence from the UK? And how many have want to come back? The ratio is quite clear. " You're right, we don't, but I'm wondering who is going to lend us up to £13bn each year until we sort ourselves out? UK banks perhaps? | |||
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"Ok let's start by scrapping the military in Wales - £1.8bn, cut transport expenditure entirely - £1.3bn And yes I already know that the UK is run on borrowed money. Wales' debt interest contribution is £2.1bn, let's give the UK government the big finger on that one....we're still £8bn short. Until there is sufficient private enterprise in Wales to pay for our public sector economy then leaving is not an option no matter how optimistic we are. Why does an independent Wales have to balance the books when the UK doesn't? There will never be sufficient private enterprise in Wales whilst under Westminster rule. We are an irrelevance to Westminster and will never benefit from specific wealth generation activities. How many countries have gained independence from the UK? And how many have want to come back? The ratio is quite clear. You're right, we don't, but I'm wondering who is going to lend us up to £13bn each year until we sort ourselves out? UK banks perhaps?" I'd like to think we can reduce that deficit significantly. To do so we would need a cultural and demographic change though. Not easy but possible. The Welsh govt would borrow from a variety of sources I'd imagine. Issuing bonds would be the primary source I'd imagine but and would depend on credit rating. It's an interesting subject to me and one I like reading up about. And for other readers - it's not about Wales v England. I've no time for that. | |||
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit. "Boris is hilarious I love watching him He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit.
Boris is hilarious
I love watching him
He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold
That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit.
Boris is hilarious
I love watching him
He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold
That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
I get that but what about drakefords stay at home bit?"Watched both speeches. Both reasonably clear but I'd say Drakeford edged it. Where Boris really loses the game is the change in headline message. Like it or not, people want/need clear, concise messaging and the 'Stay Alert' message has confused people. Drakeford has been clear and consistent here. If you communicate something and people don't understand you then you've not communicated clearly enough. | |||
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit.
Boris is hilarious
I love watching him
He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold
That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
I get that but what about drakefords stay at home bit?
Watched both speeches. Both reasonably clear but I'd say Drakeford edged it.
Where Boris really loses the game is the change in headline message.
Like it or not, people want/need clear, concise messaging and the 'Stay Alert' message has confused people. Drakeford has been clear and consistent here.
If you communicate something and people don't understand you then you've not communicated clearly enough. "I personally think both are as bad as each other but also accept they are both under intense pressure and doing a job no one would want at this time but Drakefords stay at home and only essential travel messages make no sense if he then tells you that it's ok to travel to a golf course. The worst part of Boris Johnson's bit in my humble opinion is the it's ok to travel for recreational reasons, seaside resorts in the south west for instance must be dreading it as so far they haven't been heavily hit. | |||
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit.
Boris is hilarious
I love watching him
He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold
That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
I get that but what about drakefords stay at home bit?
Watched both speeches. Both reasonably clear but I'd say Drakeford edged it.
Where Boris really loses the game is the change in headline message.
Like it or not, people want/need clear, concise messaging and the 'Stay Alert' message has confused people. Drakeford has been clear and consistent here.
If you communicate something and people don't understand you then you've not communicated clearly enough.
I personally think both are as bad as each other but also accept they are both under intense pressure and doing a job no one would want at this time but Drakefords stay at home and only essential travel messages make no sense if he then tells you that it's ok to travel to a golf course.
The worst part of Boris Johnson's bit in my humble opinion is the it's ok to travel for recreational reasons, seaside resorts in the south west for instance must be dreading it as so far they haven't been heavily hit. "I don't understand the golf thing either. I think individuals have a duty now to do some research and make sure they minimise risk as much as possible. But people are people... | |||
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"Interesting that people thought Johnsons speech was confusing. What do people think of Drakefords speech about stay at home etc and keep to essential travel only but you can go for as many walks as you like and you can drive to a garden centre or a golf course, I'd hate to be a policeman trying to police this stay at home bit.
Boris is hilarious
I love watching him
He makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and doesn't seem to give a flying fuck how many English people die/have died, but he is pure entertainment, comedy gold
That new slogan thing is absolutely unbeatable in the comedy stakes
I get that but what about drakefords stay at home bit?
Watched both speeches. Both reasonably clear but I'd say Drakeford edged it.
Where Boris really loses the game is the change in headline message.
Like it or not, people want/need clear, concise messaging and the 'Stay Alert' message has confused people. Drakeford has been clear and consistent here.
If you communicate something and people don't understand you then you've not communicated clearly enough.
I personally think both are as bad as each other but also accept they are both under intense pressure and doing a job no one would want at this time but Drakefords stay at home and only essential travel messages make no sense if he then tells you that it's ok to travel to a golf course.
The worst part of Boris Johnson's bit in my humble opinion is the it's ok to travel for recreational reasons, seaside resorts in the south west for instance must be dreading it as so far they haven't been heavily hit.
I don't understand the golf thing either. I think individuals have a duty now to do some research and make sure they minimise risk as much as possible.
But people are people..."Golf courses were never on the list of places that had to close And the guideance is that you can walk to a golf course to use one but not drive there I think the only addition (for whatever reason) of places you can drive to is garden centres (and then libraries/recycling centres as and when they reopen). Unless attending one of the above places or undertaking daily exercise locally, then stay at home (barring for the original exceptions of work, medical needs, food shopping etc) If I lived in England I'd interpret it as do whatever the fuck I wanted, but be alert for the virus (whatever that may mean) so that if I did catch it it would be my own fault for not following the advice and not being alert enough
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"I think the MSM scaremongering has played a huge part in adding to the nation's anxieties. Shameful journalism" I definitely second that mate. The flu has a higher death rate than Corona but yet we're locked down. They're admitting that they have exaggerated the actually numbers of this virus. All these mobile hospitals built and none of them been used. People need to start questioning stuff and not believe what the media are telling you as gospel | |||
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"I think the MSM scaremongering has played a huge part in adding to the nation's anxieties. Shameful journalism I definitely second that mate. The flu has a higher death rate than Corona but yet we're locked down. They're admitting that they have exaggerated the actually numbers of this virus. All these mobile hospitals built and none of them been used. People need to start questioning stuff and not believe what the media are telling you as gospel " Well take your chances and ignore lockdown then Plenty of space in ICU for you atm | |||
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"A joke until they come across the border on their days out or to travel to work. Yes there should be the same rules through the country it's simply political scoring with Welsh and Scottish parliaments to announce they're plans a day or two before this evening." | |||
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"I think the MSM scaremongering has played a huge part in adding to the nation's anxieties. Shameful journalism I definitely second that mate. The flu has a higher death rate than Corona but yet we're locked down. They're admitting that they have exaggerated the actually numbers of this virus. All these mobile hospitals built and none of them been used. People need to start questioning stuff and not believe what the media are telling you as gospel Well take your chances and ignore lockdown then Plenty of space in ICU for you atm " | |||
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