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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy!" She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy! She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well " We have to cooperate with police, whether we agree or not. | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy! She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well " Why wouldn't she cooperate? If I have to go out the police can pull me over all day long, I'd be out for a valid reason, food or medication. I don't want to go out. | |||
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"I only go out when I have to they can pull me every time " Me too  | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy! She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well " | |||
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"It was 8am on Saturday morning. I presume they had good cause to think she'd been out all night. That might explain her silly reaction too." She was very silly not to cooperate. If she was out for a valid reason, she shouldn't have a problem. | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy! She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well We have to cooperate with police, whether we agree or not." | |||
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"My local force has a covid task force..they haven't fined anybody yet..trying the persuade, advise, warn, route of 'we're all in this together'" I think that is fair  | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. " Well done you for looking after others. Some of the police, I would imagine, are a bit over the top. | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy!" she, was, given 4 opportunities to explain her actions. The police, ar3znot being heavy handed. If you are, going to be a complete fool what more can you expect. Magistrates, gave her this fine for breaking the law. So for all the smart arses who think they know better think again. Personally I think £660 was light in the current circumstances. | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. " that is within the reasons given to be allowed out. He was being a jobs worth. | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy! She refused to say who she was and whet her journey was for and was probably belligerent as well We have to cooperate with police, whether we agree or not." Would be good , saves a lot of hassle wouldn’t it | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. " This is the behaviour that will cause civil unrest. Your allowed to go shopping ffs. You even had the food there to show them, What more do they want ? | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy!she, was, given 4 opportunities to explain her actions. The police, ar3znot being heavy handed. If you are, going to be a complete fool what more can you expect. Magistrates, gave her this fine for breaking the law. So for all the smart arses who think they know better think again. Personally I think £660 was light in the current circumstances. " | |||
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"As much as people may resent the police, the reason they are stopping people is to help take pressure off the NHS... don’t go out unless necessary and all will be fine I’m sure " Hear hear sir | |||
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"This legislation has been rushed in, and unlike a lot of well established legislation I imagine that the police officers have not been given the opportunity to have comprehensive instruction in it. Also, as brand new legislation there will be “teething problems “ with its application (as there is with all new legislation - one of the biggest pieces of legislation that the police in the UK operate under is the Police and Criminal Evidence Act. That came into being in 1984, yet there are still mistakes made, misinterpretations etc, and amendments made to it because of stated cases in court. No doubt, as in any walk of life of profession , some officers may be a tad “gung ho” in their application. Maybe it’s that they haven’t really received training in the legislation (likely with how quickly I has come into operation), maybe they’re on a power trip, or maybe if they are a bit dogged in their approach to you it’s because unfortunately you’re the 100th person they’ve had to speak to about the same thing that day , and a large number of the people they spoke to have been boorish , over entitled idiots who have reeled out the classic “why aren’t you out catching real criminals” rhetoric, and as human beings , who probably have loved ones of their own that they are worried about, as people who are putting their own welfare and health at risk to try to protect and help others, they’re reaching the end of their tether and so they slip slightly. I think that’s one thing we keep forgetting - the police, like our other amazing emergency services , put themselves in harms way, both physically and mentally , to try to help and protect others. And they don’t actually get a lot of money for it. I’m not saying the person who was stopped was boorish or obstructive - but perhaps , just as we are expecting understanding and compassion from the police , we should all take a second to understand and be compassionate to them as well ? At the very least, we’d be able to look in the mirror and know we had been decent human beings , even if the courtesy isn’t returned. " 100% and police Officer are still human and are worried about themselves and their families | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy!she, was, given 4 opportunities to explain her actions. The police, ar3znot being heavy handed. If you are, going to be a complete fool what more can you expect. Magistrates, gave her this fine for breaking the law. So for all the smart arses who think they know better think again. Personally I think £660 was light in the current circumstances. "Especially as she was stopped in a Newcastle railway station when she lives in York! | |||
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"The police are going to be busier, today's government transport graph showed a sharp rise in car traffic "perhaps because people got paid and are all doing their shopping ? | |||
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"This legislation has been rushed in, and unlike a lot of well established legislation I imagine that the police officers have not been given the opportunity to have comprehensive instruction in it. Also, as brand new legislation there will be “teething problems “ with its application (as there is with all new legislation - one of the biggest pieces of legislation that the police in the UK operate under is the Police and Criminal Evidence Act. That came into being in 1984, yet there are still mistakes made, misinterpretations etc, and amendments made to it because of stated cases in court. No doubt, as in any walk of life of profession , some officers may be a tad “gung ho” in their application. Maybe it’s that they haven’t really received training in the legislation (likely with how quickly I has come into operation), maybe they’re on a power trip, or maybe if they are a bit dogged in their approach to you it’s because unfortunately you’re the 100th person they’ve had to speak to about the same thing that day , and a large number of the people they spoke to have been boorish , over entitled idiots who have reeled out the classic “why aren’t you out catching real criminals” rhetoric, and as human beings , who probably have loved ones of their own that they are worried about, as people who are putting their own welfare and health at risk to try to protect and help others, they’re reaching the end of their tether and so they slip slightly. I think that’s one thing we keep forgetting - the police, like our other amazing emergency services , put themselves in harms way, both physically and mentally , to try to help and protect others. And they don’t actually get a lot of money for it. I’m not saying the person who was stopped was boorish or obstructive - but perhaps , just as we are expecting understanding and compassion from the police , we should all take a second to understand and be compassionate to them as well ? At the very least, we’d be able to look in the mirror and know we had been decent human beings , even if the courtesy isn’t returned. 100% and police Officer are still human and are worried about themselves and their families " | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. " What's the problem? He was wrong and probably confused. He didn't arrest you and no fine would have been enforced. So no real harm done. | |||
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason." Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. Even more so is that as a football fan your treat like shit the old bill don’t know the law and when you questioning them politely they throw there toys out the pram or loose the footage | |||
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason. Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. Even more so is that as a football fan your treat like shit the old bill don’t know the law and when you questioning them politely they throw there toys out the pram or loose the footage " I’m sure some police would agree that dealing with some football fans is no walk in the park but hey there you go | |||
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"I agree, only a question of time. Top lawyers and NPCC expressing concerns about Police behaviour. Lancs Police have handed out more fines than any other force but I fear they will pay the price for the heavy handed approach, I can already hear the adverts from legal firms "received a fine during lockdown, we can help you claim compensation...."" Not generally a great fan of the compensation culture but on this issue I hope as many as possible take Police to Court and win. | |||
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"I do not wish to see Britain made into a police state. We should be very careful to guard our rights. Will need our freedom and democracy long after this poxy little virus has gone on it's way way... Many seem far to willing to give up their rights. Authority will be very reluctant to hand these freedoms back. Don't listen to me....Listen to Lord Sumption. All in favour of them advising and persuading....." It's a bit late parliament passed a 360 page bill to control us in the lockdown, but it has a 2 year life on it why. We are sleep walking into a police state and everyone is just looking at the virus news. | |||
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"The police are as shit scared of catching this as the rest of us.. Like many key workers, they are having to get involved with the general public.. Unlike key workers, they are dealing with the dregs of society (as they did before) and now have to do the same job not knowing if the person they may have to struggle with; the person that may spit at them (as many do) and now cough at them, may have Covid 19 and could infect them. So if you think the police are being heavy handed, maybe consider what they have to do and think if you had to do the same, dealing with fuck wits, cockwombles and crack heads, if you wouldn't get a little narked at those unwilling to comply. We are not being asked to do much, just stay in doors and away from others.. it's that simple.." | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary" If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way | |||
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason. Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. " So are some football fans ! | |||
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"I agree, only a question of time. Top lawyers and NPCC expressing concerns about Police behaviour. Lancs Police have handed out more fines than any other force but I fear they will pay the price for the heavy handed approach, I can already hear the adverts from legal firms "received a fine during lockdown, we can help you claim compensation...." Not generally a great fan of the compensation culture but on this issue I hope as many as possible take Police to Court and win. " It could well be the next PPi as far as the legal profession goes......... | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way " In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " Not when new powers were brought in to protect those at risk because some people won’t listen ... the police job right now in this pandemic is to make sure the NHS is not inundated.... unless people listen then they will be | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " Right now it’s explain why you are out or face a fine or prosecution. That’s the new law... some will happily explain others won’t... | |||
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"I agree, only a question of time. Top lawyers and NPCC expressing concerns about Police behaviour. Lancs Police have handed out more fines than any other force but I fear they will pay the price for the heavy handed approach, I can already hear the adverts from legal firms "received a fine during lockdown, we can help you claim compensation...." Not generally a great fan of the compensation culture but on this issue I hope as many as possible take Police to Court and win. " Honestly.. why would you think this? What is it with some people that feel the police have it in for them personally and therefore hate the police. They are doing a shitty job for not a great wage.. why? Because they believe they can make difference for those that want to feel safe in their homes, want to be able to walk in the street without fear of being attacked or robbed... The police have enough to deal with without the money grabbers looking for the next quick way to rob the tax payer.. | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " Police dont seem to understand the difference between government advice and law, even the newly passed ones. | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. Not when new powers were brought in to protect those at risk because some people won’t listen ... the police job right now in this pandemic is to make sure the NHS is not inundated.... unless people listen then they will be " Well said.. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday..." If it's a choice between watching my child die or stopping in for a few weeks, I'm happy with the choice I've made. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday..." I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen | |||
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"I agree, only a question of time. Top lawyers and NPCC expressing concerns about Police behaviour. Lancs Police have handed out more fines than any other force but I fear they will pay the price for the heavy handed approach, I can already hear the adverts from legal firms "received a fine during lockdown, we can help you claim compensation...." Not generally a great fan of the compensation culture but on this issue I hope as many as possible take Police to Court and win. Honestly.. why would you think this? What is it with some people that feel the police have it in for them personally and therefore hate the police. They are doing a shitty job for not a great wage.. why? Because they believe they can make difference for those that want to feel safe in their homes, want to be able to walk in the street without fear of being attacked or robbed... The police have enough to deal with without the money grabbers looking for the next quick way to rob the tax payer.. " Police also need to be accountable for overstepping the mark, its their errors in judgement that cost the taxpayer, not the person claiming compo for wrongdoing by our boys in blue | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. Police dont seem to understand the difference between government advice and law, even the newly passed ones. " Unfortunately and more worrying is that some of the public don’t understand by not taking advice more people will die ... simple as that | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen" You seem to see no dangers in this at all.... | |||
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"I do not wish to see Britain made into a police state. We should be very careful to guard our rights. Will need our freedom and democracy long after this poxy little virus has gone on it's way way... Many seem far to willing to give up their rights. Authority will be very reluctant to hand these freedoms back. Don't listen to me....Listen to Lord Sumption. All in favour of them advising and persuading.....It's a bit late parliament passed a 360 page bill to control us in the lockdown, but it has a 2 year life on it why. We are sleep walking into a police state and everyone is just looking at the virus news. " There is more chance of me winning the lottery on Friday and Saturday and being named Pope on Sunday 99.999999 recurring of police officers do not want to work in such an apparatus. Many times in recent years when the subject of police officers being routinely armed with firearms the rank and file have made it clear they would oppose it. It is only recently that the issuing of Tasers to officers has been increased - initially the only officers authorised to carry Tasers were authorised firearms officers - and they would have to have the authority of a senior officer to arm/use them. This all in an environment where the user of firearms on the streets by criminals/gangs etc has increased exponentially. They regularly have to face people armed with knives/firearms/ possible suicide vests equipped with nothing but a baton and a tin of pepper spray - and then are under immense scrutiny about any actions they take in those situations. Bottom line - if you aren’t an arsehole then you generally don’t have anything to worry about with our police officers. And for those people who would welcome a trend of law suits raised against police officers for trying to enforce legislation that has been brought in to try to safeguard people - I bet you’d not hesitate to go bleating to the police if you got burgled/assaulted/robbed. They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Amazing that swingers, who would kick up Merry hell if they were judged for their lifestyle choices , are so hypocritical as to be quick to judge others. What’s the old adage - before you judge someone - try walking a mile in their shoes? How many would have the balls and selflessness to fulfil that role ? I’d hazard a guess that it would be very few! Personally I’m glad to have the police service we do. It’s not perfect by any stretch of the imagination - but it’s a LOT better than many others around the world. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen You seem to see no dangers in this at all...." I do see dangers... I see danger of more people dying unless people listen to medical experts... for me that’s the only danger that’s important right now... so the police have my support in what must be a difficult time for them | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " That's just being a bit arsey under the circumstances | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen You seem to see no dangers in this at all.... I do see dangers... I see danger of more people dying unless people listen to medical experts... for me that’s the only danger that’s important right now... so the police have my support in what must be a difficult time for them" This ! | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " Actually there was already legislation in place which means that there can be a requirement to do just that, and failing to do so is a criminal offence. | |||
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"I agree, only a question of time. Top lawyers and NPCC expressing concerns about Police behaviour. Lancs Police have handed out more fines than any other force but I fear they will pay the price for the heavy handed approach, I can already hear the adverts from legal firms "received a fine during lockdown, we can help you claim compensation...." Not generally a great fan of the compensation culture but on this issue I hope as many as possible take Police to Court and win. Honestly.. why would you think this? What is it with some people that feel the police have it in for them personally and therefore hate the police. They are doing a shitty job for not a great wage.. why? Because they believe they can make difference for those that want to feel safe in their homes, want to be able to walk in the street without fear of being attacked or robbed... The police have enough to deal with without the money grabbers looking for the next quick way to rob the tax payer.. Police also need to be accountable for overstepping the mark, its their errors in judgement that cost the taxpayer, not the person claiming compo for wrongdoing by our boys in blue" Let’s not go into the realms of the taxpayers money being wasted - how many people have never worked a day in their lives but will quite happily take the “tax payers money” ? | |||
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"Some forces are going over the top, reminds me of the school bully suddenly becoming milk monitor. Both Tracey and I are key workers so still going out every day to do our bit, neither of us have been pulled over yet as we are on the boarder of Lancs who have been like little Hitlers and GMP who havent handed out a single fine yet. If we do get pulled and we think the Police have overstepped the mark we will take them to task, through the courts if necessary If you are only going out to your work then why wouldn't you just tell them this if you get stopped and let them let you go on your way In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. Police dont seem to understand the difference between government advice and law, even the newly passed ones. " Do you understand the difference ? | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday..." Then surely the issue should be with the politicians who made the legislation - not the poor buggers who have the thankless task of trying to apply it ? | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen You seem to see no dangers in this at all.... I do see dangers... I see danger of more people dying unless people listen to medical experts... for me that’s the only danger that’s important right now... so the police have my support in what must be a difficult time for them" Exactly you only look at now.....not the legacy we may hand on to our children and grandchildren... Remember this a first and foremost medical problem not a law and order issue. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen You seem to see no dangers in this at all.... I do see dangers... I see danger of more people dying unless people listen to medical experts... for me that’s the only danger that’s important right now... so the police have my support in what must be a difficult time for them Exactly you only look at now.....not the legacy we may hand on to our children and grandchildren... Remember this a first and foremost medical problem not a law and order issue. " Oh dear god children and grandchildren are dying... people were asked not to go out in groups... they didn’t listen... so tell me... what would be the next step you would take when people ignore being asked | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... Then surely the issue should be with the politicians who made the legislation - not the poor buggers who have the thankless task of trying to apply it ?" Right in one....!! It would appear some forces are looking and thinking before they jump in with their large boots... They do well to remember they are our servants and only police with our consent. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... Then surely the issue should be with the politicians who made the legislation - not the poor buggers who have the thankless task of trying to apply it ? Right in one....!! It would appear some forces are looking and thinking before they jump in with their large boots... They do well to remember they are our servants and only police with our consent. " I asked what would you do if it’s not given police powers to tell if they won’t listen to being asked | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... I refer you to the new law. Up to you if you want to adhere to it or not. Unfortunately the police are trying to make people see the dangers of this. And some people don’t seem to want to listen You seem to see no dangers in this at all.... I do see dangers... I see danger of more people dying unless people listen to medical experts... for me that’s the only danger that’s important right now... so the police have my support in what must be a difficult time for them Exactly you only look at now.....not the legacy we may hand on to our children and grandchildren... Remember this a first and foremost medical problem not a law and order issue. " Without the drastic measures how many of those children and grandchildren would survive to see their legacy? Would you prefer we were all allowed to do whatever we wanted? Remember, the government tried that and it failed because the public can't be trusted to do what's needed. | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... Then surely the issue should be with the politicians who made the legislation - not the poor buggers who have the thankless task of trying to apply it ? Right in one....!! It would appear some forces are looking and thinking before they jump in with their large boots... They do well to remember they are our servants and only police with our consent. " Fuck off are they our servants, they are human beings with rights and wants and needs like the rest of us, they deserve our respect for doing a difficult job during a very scary time. They are putting their own lives and their families lives at risk in order to protect ours. | |||
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"I'm all for giving police more powers but 360 pages of new law's to be reviewed in 2 year's is over the top. " Maybe half a page of confusion ? Legislation needs to cover as many eventualities as possible | |||
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"I'm all for giving police more powers but 360 pages of new law's to be reviewed in 2 year's is over the top. " They have to be reviewed in six months... | |||
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason. Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. So are some football fans ! " I can give you a number of stories were the police have taken a liberty. Inviting fans for a chat at the station then charging them without a solicitor present The problem is the guidance and the law esp in this case don’t marry up and the problem is that police have been using guidance rather than law If it doubt say you will only go if you can get your solicitor to go with you and ask for the officers number and name. Respect the police but they should not overstep powers | |||
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"In Britain we do not have to explain ourselves. Awkward for some I know but that is the price of having a free and democratic country. " Well, at the moment, you do have to explain yourself due to The Coronavirus Act. It's not really a hardship, is it? | |||
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"I'm all for giving police more powers but 360 pages of new law's to be reviewed in 2 year's is over the top. " Just take a look over to China and see what giving more power to the Police results in.... Just do not understand how many seem quite willing to surrender their rights.... | |||
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason. Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. So are some football fans ! I can give you a number of stories were the police have taken a liberty. Inviting fans for a chat at the station then charging them without a solicitor present The problem is the guidance and the law esp in this case don’t marry up and the problem is that police have been using guidance rather than law If it doubt say you will only go if you can get your solicitor to go with you and ask for the officers number and name. Respect the police but they should not overstep powers " Respect the laws and don’t break any | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men...." We could ask doctors and nurses to stop cars but I think they are busy .... who do you think has given the government the advice btw ? | |||
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"Oh dear god children and grandchildren are dying... people were asked not to go out in groups... they didn’t listen... so tell me... what would be the next step you would take when people ignore being asked " The old and those with certain health conditions are the more vulnerable. Yes, young people have died but very few. Much more important to make sure the vulnerable are protected. | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men.... We could ask doctors and nurses to stop cars but I think they are busy .... who do you think has given the government the advice btw ?" I am sure you are going to tell me....!! | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men...." Bloody hell, is this some kind of April Fools joke? If not, I'm concerned about your understanding of the situation. It's people like you that are causing the issues by thinking they are above the rules and that they shouldn't have to follow them. Shame on you. | |||
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"Oh dear god children and grandchildren are dying... people were asked not to go out in groups... they didn’t listen... so tell me... what would be the next step you would take when people ignore being asked The old and those with certain health conditions are the more vulnerable. Yes, young people have died but very few. Much more important to make sure the vulnerable are protected. " Isn't that what the lockdown is doing? Keeping people away from the vulnerable? | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men.... We could ask doctors and nurses to stop cars but I think they are busy .... who do you think has given the government the advice btw ? I am sure you are going to tell me....!!" Watch the daily updates and the Chief Medical Officer is there providing the advice | |||
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"Now that’s me out. Do what you think is best for you... I think it’s best to listen to expert opinion ... and I’ll take Mark Twain’s advice about who bit to argue with "*who not | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men.... We could ask doctors and nurses to stop cars but I think they are busy .... who do you think has given the government the advice btw ? I am sure you are going to tell me....!! Watch the daily updates and the Chief Medical Officer is there providing the advice " Yes....I have done. I find them mostly quite measured and calculating. It is the politicians who set off in "panic mode". Should also point out that there is even some disagreement among the scientific community. | |||
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"Resources to fight this virus are woefully inadequate. So, the police would be better deployed transporting personal protection equipment to front-line NHS workers. Of course, at this particular time, we expected them to break up large gatherings or parties, but to have them stopping individuals who are socially isolated in a car, is quite absurd. It is a waste of time and energy. " Ah....the voice of reason returns...!! Use the police constructively, not harassing people... | |||
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"Still concerned at the way many seem willing to hand over their rights and can see no dangers in it... I refer you back to Lord Sumption's words on Radio 4 on Monday... Then surely the issue should be with the politicians who made the legislation - not the poor buggers who have the thankless task of trying to apply it ? Right in one....!! It would appear some forces are looking and thinking before they jump in with their large boots... They do well to remember they are our servants and only police with our consent. " I think to refer to them as “servants” is derogatory and outdated. Do you hold the same opinion of people in the “service” industry? How is “downstairs “ in your household - one presumes that they know their place, deferring to you in all matters and doff their cap to their “master” whenever you deign them worthy of your presence ? And the consent you mention is enshrined in legislation - that same legislation (in this case due to EXTRAORDINARY circumstances has been cobbled together and released in a very short time) that they are trying to uphold. And that legislation in which the consent is enshrined is set out by politicians who the voters, including police officers who have seen their numbers cut massively due to budgetary constraints, and who are still doing their best to provide the same performance whilst understaffed , with one hand tied behind their back by the same politicians who bring in the legislation , and with constant criticism and very rare appreciation or praise. Think you could do better - step out of your Manor House and go and do it. But before you retort - when was the last time a 28 year old office worker who had only been married two weeks run over, dragged along the road by the vehicle , and died ? Apart from the risk of physical harm there is a massive percentage of people who work for the emergency services who suffer terribly from mental health issues. They have a higher than national average when it comes to relationship breakdowns, often miss out on time with their families , have holiday cancelled at short notice - it’s a long list. And they don’t want their arses kissed for doing it - but maybe once in a while it would be nice if people refrained from criticising. But then I guess it’s like Football - there are millions of armchair “managers “ who are legends in their own imaginations and believe they’d do a better job. Your fixation on a police state suggests that you should buy a cape and a guy fawkes mask a la V for Vengance and start your campaign to free the country from oppression. Oh - by the way - if you were a victim of crime , would you call the police ? And if someone close to you died from contracting Covid-19, will you then be on your soapbox criticising the police for not taking a firmer stance to prevent people from moving around? | |||
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"I'm all for giving police more powers but 360 pages of new law's to be reviewed in 2 year's is over the top. Just take a look over to China and see what giving more power to the Police results in.... Just do not understand how many seem quite willing to surrender their rights...." That’s a totalitarian regime - only one political party , no democratic elections - you would struggle to make a more inappropriate comparison. | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men...." Inept ? Can you quantify that sweeping statement ? You must be speaking from a position of expertise? Panicking politicians ? You think this situation isn’t worthy of a little bit of distress ? What is the weather like on your planet at the moment ? | |||
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"Resources to fight this virus are woefully inadequate. So, the police would be better deployed transporting personal protection equipment to front-line NHS workers. Of course, at this particular time, we expected them to break up large gatherings or parties, but to have them stopping individuals who are socially isolated in a car, is quite absurd. It is a waste of time and energy. Ah....the voice of reason returns...!! Use the police constructively, not harassing people..." So take a thinly stretched Police force working at around 20% sickness rates. Get them to then take Over what the army are doing already. Lol reason.
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"I dont understand people who dont co-operate with Police. I have no problem being stopped, if I am out I would have a valid reason, and explain it. If they didn't believe me that's up to them. I dont believe they are issuing fines or locking people up who are clearly out with a reason. Try being a football fan!!!! Tbh whist I respect the police; some are complete wankers. So are some football fans ! I can give you a number of stories were the police have taken a liberty. Inviting fans for a chat at the station then charging them without a solicitor present " A solicitor does not HAVE to be present. An arrested person has a right to legal advice IF THEY WANT IT”. If they opt not to have a solicitor present , or to talk to one on the phone, then that is their legal right. Their decision would be recorded. If a persons rights are not observed , then not only would they walk free, they’d have grounds to sue the police , and the police would get in a lot of trouble. But hey - let’s not let the facts get in the way of a statement with no substance  | |||
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"Follow the guidelines and the Feds won't bother you.. lock down as much as you can and stay safe.. " not that simple | |||
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"I do not wish to see Britain made into a police state. We should be very careful to guard our rights. Will need our freedom and democracy long after this poxy little virus has gone on it's way way... Many seem far to willing to give up their rights. Authority will be very reluctant to hand these freedoms back. Don't listen to me....Listen to Lord Sumption. All in favour of them advising and persuading.....It's a bit late parliament passed a 360 page bill to control us in the lockdown, but it has a 2 year life on it why. We are sleep walking into a police state and everyone is just looking at the virus news. " | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men...." Logic isn't a strong point with you, is it? | |||
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"Follow the guidelines and the Feds won't bother you.. lock down as much as you can and stay safe.. not that simple " The feds where are we the USA ? | |||
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"Follow the guidelines and the Feds won't bother you.. lock down as much as you can and stay safe.. not that simple The feds where are we the USA ? " Sorry... I forgot in Norfolk they are still called the Bow Street Runners or Peelers .. | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men.... Logic isn't a strong point with you, is it? " Just for the record I can confirm that Planet Mike is not me in disguise.. 
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"The heavy handed action of some Police have brought it on themselves. Advice and persuasion is what is needed, not fines. Not doubt some sort of target has been set for them. Will also be seen as a source revenue. " You mean like speeding cameras? Follow the rules, don't pay a fine. | |||
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"The heavy handed action of some Police have brought it on themselves. Advice and persuasion is what is needed, not fines. Not doubt some sort of target has been set for them. Will also be seen as a source revenue. " This just shows how you are speaking from a position of ignorance. There are not “targets” set for levying fines. And any fines that ARE assessed (I.e. speeding) go to the centre (government) , not the force issuing the fine. And as for one of your previous posts about this “poxy little virus” - perhaps do a tally up of how many lives it has taken/contributed to the taking of - little ? This has the potential to mirror/supersede the Spanish Flu pandemic of the early 20th century. And one thing to consider re Human rights etc - they only apply to the living ! At the moment , nobody really knows if this thing will go away, and what the actual potential for the loss of human life is. Perhaps prioritise worrying about people actually being alive - then worry about rights and freedoms ? | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. Such consistancy!she, was, given 4 opportunities to explain her actions. The police, ar3znot being heavy handed. If you are, going to be a complete fool what more can you expect. Magistrates, gave her this fine for breaking the law. So for all the smart arses who think they know better think again. Personally I think £660 was light in the current circumstances.
Especially as she was stopped in a Newcastle railway station when she lives in York! "Nor could British Transport Police find any tickets on her! She'd been loitering around the station, not on any specific platform, and despite repeated requests, refused to comply and say why she was on railway premises. The action taken was actually within BTP permits which they deal with normally across the UK and for which BTP would deal with as usual. It was only because of heightened publicity due to lockdown measures that this particular incident became known in national media. | |||
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"This is a medical problem, we need scientists and medical personnel: not panicking politicians and inept heavy handed police men.... Bloody hell, is this some kind of April Fools joke? If not, I'm concerned about your understanding of the situation. It's people like you that are causing the issues by thinking they are above the rules and that they shouldn't have to follow them. Shame on you." I am with Keeley. Go girl.. Oops sorry if Go Girl is an amercanism ... | |||
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"I would like to know If I drive 1.5 hrs to a place I know there will be zero humans How am I endangering anyone? As it happens I'm frightened and very law abiding and thus would not I'd still like to know for what exact purpose I'm being punished I was under the impression we want to prevent deaths and help the NHS Not punish ? Just a side note Staying at home Every bank holiday hospital a and e units have an increase in particular DIY injuries People at home do not practice adequate health and safety I say this a because some argue stay home to stay safe that's a poor argument Sadly yesterday I had a slight DIY mishap dont worry I'm safe however I'm home totally alone IF anything did happen I will most likely bleed to death and die alone
So I still cannot see a moral justification why I cant go to a beach in a high wind and surf ? (Seriously no one else would be damn fool enough they like sun )"Or, just follow the fecking rules, why is it so hard? People were begging for a lockdown and now that it's here they are bitching about it. The logic behind it is that it's non essential travel, increasing the risk of you having an accident and needing an ambulance/multiple emergency services/doctors/nurses etc that are already needed for the virus. Why do you need to go for a walk 1.5 hours away? Why do you need to go surfing? Go for a walk near your house. It's not vital that you go so far away or use surfing as your exercise. Do what the experts are saying is best for the country and stop whining about it! | |||
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"I would like to know If I drive 1.5 hrs to a place I know there will be zero humans How am I endangering anyone? As it happens I'm frightened and very law abiding and thus would not I'd still like to know for what exact purpose I'm being punished I was under the impression we want to prevent deaths and help the NHS Not punish ? Just a side note Staying at home Every bank holiday hospital a and e units have an increase in particular DIY injuries People at home do not practice adequate health and safety I say this a because some argue stay home to stay safe that's a poor argument Sadly yesterday I had a slight DIY mishap dont worry I'm safe however I'm home totally alone IF anything did happen I will most likely bleed to death and die alone
So I still cannot see a moral justification why I cant go to a beach in a high wind and surf ? (Seriously no one else would be damn fool enough they like sun )
Or, just follow the fecking rules, why is it so hard? People were begging for a lockdown and now that it's here they are bitching about it.
The logic behind it is that it's non essential travel, increasing the risk of you having an accident and needing an ambulance/multiple emergency services/doctors/nurses etc that are already needed for the virus.
Why do you need to go for a walk 1.5 hours away? Why do you need to go surfing? Go for a walk near your house. It's not vital that you go so far away or use surfing as your exercise.
Do what the experts are saying is best for the country and stop whining about it!"Sorry to go the guy I quoted, I wasn't meaning you in particular, in general, I was just responding to what you said. | |||
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"I would like to know If I drive 1.5 hrs to a place I know there will be zero humans How am I endangering anyone? As it happens I'm frightened and very law abiding and thus would not I'd still like to know for what exact purpose I'm being punished I was under the impression we want to prevent deaths and help the NHS Not punish ? Just a side note Staying at home Every bank holiday hospital a and e units have an increase in particular DIY injuries People at home do not practice adequate health and safety I say this a because some argue stay home to stay safe that's a poor argument Sadly yesterday I had a slight DIY mishap dont worry I'm safe however I'm home totally alone IF anything did happen I will most likely bleed to death and die alone
So I still cannot see a moral justification why I cant go to a beach in a high wind and surf ? (Seriously no one else would be damn fool enough they like sun )
Or, just follow the fecking rules, why is it so hard? People were begging for a lockdown and now that it's here they are bitching about it.
The logic behind it is that it's non essential travel, increasing the risk of you having an accident and needing an ambulance/multiple emergency services/doctors/nurses etc that are already needed for the virus.
Why do you need to go for a walk 1.5 hours away? Why do you need to go surfing? Go for a walk near your house. It's not vital that you go so far away or use surfing as your exercise.
Do what the experts are saying is best for the country and stop whining about it!
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"we should count ourselves like that the police do not point guns at you when you do not do as they ask. when you are looking down a barrel of a gun you shit yourself. I don't care who you are. the police don't like the situation anymore than you do, but if you are cocky, rude or just being plain difficult when asked a question you get what you deserve. and hopefully bang your head on the cell floor to knock some sense into you. " | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. that is within the reasons given to be allowed out. He was being a jobs worth." But that's my point I have no choice but to go out . like today I made a large cottage pie and cut it into 3 one for myself one for brother and someone else. Then I had to pick up needles for brother and his sensor bits. Aswell as trying to figure out how to buy shopping for 3 households as people think that am panic buying. I need 3 tins of soup or I buy the largest pack of eggs and put them into 3 box's and past them around. It's a pain but I am a trained care worker and chef. | |||
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"we should count ourselves like that the police do not point guns at you when you do not do as they ask. when you are looking down a barrel of a gun you shit yourself. I don't care who you are. the police don't like the situation anymore than you do, but if you are cocky, rude or just being plain difficult when asked a question you get what you deserve. and hopefully bang your head on the cell floor to knock some sense into you. "Every single one of our police officer's have pistols | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. that is within the reasons given to be allowed out. He was being a jobs worth. But that's my point I have no choice but to go out . like today I made a large cottage pie and cut it into 3 one for myself one for brother and someone else. Then I had to pick up needles for brother and his sensor bits. Aswell as trying to figure out how to buy shopping for 3 households as people think that am panic buying. I need 3 tins of soup or I buy the largest pack of eggs and put them into 3 box's and past them around. It's a pain but I am a trained care worker and chef." Stacy, you are doing nothing wrong. You are out under 3 of the allowed reasons: 1) To shop for food 2) To deal with medical matters (the sensors/needles) 3) To provide care for the vulnerable I cannot see how you are breaching any rules or regulations, so long as you keep the social distancing. | |||
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"Coronavirus: Police ordered not to check every car after 'overreach' claims (Search using the text here to find on Google) While in another story Magistrates give a woman a £660 for not engaging with Police about why she was out. I think they should be checking everybody Sorry but there is clearly an ever increasing amount of people now out and about . In cars too. Traffics increased this few days. Such consistancy!" | |||
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"I was stopped 1hr ago. And was told that I could have been given a fine because they didn't think I was out buying important shopping. As meat from the butcher wasn't important shopping.?? And I tried to explain that it was meat for 3 households and I also had spuds carrots and other snacks from the shop next door. I can't win brother doctor sent him a letter not to leave the house. And he was the one doing the shopping for his mother in-law. So am now shopping for 3 houses. But the young police officer just went on and on I should have stayed home. that is within the reasons given to be allowed out. He was being a jobs worth. But that's my point I have no choice but to go out . like today I made a large cottage pie and cut it into 3 one for myself one for brother and someone else. Then I had to pick up needles for brother and his sensor bits. Aswell as trying to figure out how to buy shopping for 3 households as people think that am panic buying. I need 3 tins of soup or I buy the largest pack of eggs and put them into 3 box's and past them around. It's a pain but I am a trained care worker and chef." As kinky said, you are doing nothing wrong, well done you for looking after people you care for. I am in the same position, if I don't do it, no one else will | |||
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