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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton

I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Dont research to much. I did the other night and the conspiracy theories start to sound very appealing

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton

These were figures from the govt website so no conspiracy theories just actual numbers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share "

Was this weekly death rate caused by one single thing, or every death cause put together?

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share

Was this weekly death rate caused by one single thing, or every death cause put together?"
every recorded death

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share

Was this weekly death rate caused by one single thing, or every death cause put together?"

Thats what I was wondering

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

The government figures can be found in excel here

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

The top row shows weekly deaths from jan to march. The seconds shows the average from the last five years

The actual numbers for this year look down on previous years

But I would say you need to understand the underlying data to interpret the stats correctly

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton

All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

This thread confuses me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi

But other than the possible drop in road deaths

Due to less traffic etc

The virus numbers will be on top of the usual things

N xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi

But other than the possible drop in road deaths

Due to less traffic etc

The virus numbers will be on top of the usual things

N xx

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

Little experts popping up all the place

It's not helpful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share "

Thanks OP, in the case that a loved family member or friend of mine dies I will take great comfort in this fact.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause. "

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton


"it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share

Thanks OP, in the case that a loved family member or friend of mine dies I will take great comfort in this fact. "

Well if a loved one or friend died from any cause my level of grief would be the same!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths."
its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share

Thanks OP, in the case that a loved family member or friend of mine dies I will take great comfort in this fact.

Well if a loved one or friend died from any cause my level of grief would be the same! "

In the lack of an emoji please picture me doing the hand slapping my head one

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

The problem is that no one is recording if people die "from Corvid-19" or "with Corvid-19" they are very different things. Also there is very little standardisation of how things are being recorded (across the world) thus most comparative statistics are useless.

If someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection is not usually recorded, unless the illness is a rare ‘notifiable disease’. So the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK are recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation. We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections. If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections.

Now look at what has happened since the emergence of Covid-19. The list of notifiable diseases has been updated. This list — as well as containing smallpox (which has been extinct for many years) and conditions such as anthrax, brucellosis, plague and rabies (which most UK doctors will never see in their entire careers) — has now been amended to include Covid-19. But not flu. That means every positive test for Covid-19 must be notified, in a way that it just would not be for flu or most other infections.

In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes. Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.

If we take drastic measures to reduce the incidence of Covid-19, it follows that the deaths will also go down. We risk being convinced that we have averted something that was never really going to be as severe as we feared. This unusual way of reporting Covid-19 deaths explains the clear finding that most of its victims have underlying conditions — and would normally be susceptible to other seasonal viruses, which are virtually never recorded as a specific cause of death.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share "

Think you figure may be incorrect. Wonder where it came from?

I did some fag packet number crunching as few day ago based on govt. stats and came up with a figure nearer 1500 PER DAY. That was based in 2018 stats for GB. Covered all deaths, no matter what cause, accidents etc...

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Oh, just noted your is a weekly figure: we are in the same "ball park"...""!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone told me an 82 year old was bought in after falling down the stairs, he died 3 hours later due to internal injuries. But he was tested for the virus and found to have it. He was then booked in as dying with the virus,and pick up by the media as dying because of the virus. If you test positive you go on to the figures so not a true picture. What the government playing at makes you think.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Someone told me an 82 year old was bought in after falling down the stairs, he died 3 hours later due to internal injuries. But he was tested for the virus and found to have it. He was then booked in as dying with the virus,and pick up by the media as dying because of the virus. If you test positive you go on to the figures so not a true picture. What the government playing at makes you think. "

I'd say they were underestimating the number if anything

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing. "

On the official figures the number of cases where patient has recovered has been shown at 135 every day for the past 10 days.can't believe that to be right.What are the Government holding back?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I think the true number of those that have had it vastly underestimated... and to be fair I think had we tested like in some other countries there wouldn't be the panic surrounding it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing. "

I agree. Imagine how the country would be booming if the media didn't focus on negative news.

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By *ornyhappyCouple
over a year ago

perth

The way death certificates work in the UK doctors have to specify the immediate cause of death and also the pathway to death so details of any underlying health issues plus other contributing factors.

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton

All I was trying to say is that since the covid 19 virus deaths have been getting reported as of last night around 1700 deaths theres been over 20000 people who have died anyway. And the govt figures show all deaths for 2020 5 year average deaths from influenza and deaths from pneumonia and covid 19. In week 2 of 2020 for example just over 14000 people died. I'm not saying this virus isn't deadly or that it's not killing people but if you look at the graphs and figures it is still a small percentage of overall deaths in england and wales.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone told me an 82 year old was bought in after falling down the stairs, he died 3 hours later due to internal injuries. But he was tested for the virus and found to have it. He was then booked in as dying with the virus,and pick up by the media as dying because of the virus. If you test positive you go on to the figures so not a true picture. What the government playing at makes you think. "

this is what I said before. People who test positive and die from the virus are another statistic, it doesn't always mean the virus killed them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"All I was trying to say is that since the covid 19 virus deaths have been getting reported as of last night around 1700 deaths theres been over 20000 people who have died anyway. And the govt figures show all deaths for 2020 5 year average deaths from influenza and deaths from pneumonia and covid 19. In week 2 of 2020 for example just over 14000 people died. I'm not saying this virus isn't deadly or that it's not killing people but if you look at the graphs and figures it is still a small percentage of overall deaths in england and wales. "

But look what's happening in italy and Spain?

Plus the virus is adding to the other diseases

Are you saying we shouldn't be worried?

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By *ornyhappyCouple
over a year ago

perth

We are also nowhere near the peak yet, factor in exponential growth and the numbers very quickly get terrifying

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton


"All I was trying to say is that since the covid 19 virus deaths have been getting reported as of last night around 1700 deaths theres been over 20000 people who have died anyway. And the govt figures show all deaths for 2020 5 year average deaths from influenza and deaths from pneumonia and covid 19. In week 2 of 2020 for example just over 14000 people died. I'm not saying this virus isn't deadly or that it's not killing people but if you look at the graphs and figures it is still a small percentage of overall deaths in england and wales.

But look what's happening in italy and Spain?

Plus the virus is adding to the other diseases

Are you saying we shouldn't be worried?"

I'm not saying dont be worried just practice the recommendations and we will be ok. One more thing to talk about the spanish influenza pandemic killed up to 50000000 people and population then was 1.8 to 1.9 billion

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

I agree. Imagine how the country would be booming if the media didn't focus on negative news. "

The newspaper industry was suffering from falling sales and falling advertising revenue, they needed a blockbuster to survive, along came Coronavirus and boy are they milking it.

Heard someone today call Facebook the Coronavirus of social media.Can't really comment as I am not on any social media sites

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

I agree. Imagine how the country would be booming if the media didn't focus on negative news. "

...and everyone would be ignoring the distancing/socialising advice which would result in new cases sky rocketing.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"All I was trying to say is that since the covid 19 virus deaths have been getting reported as of last night around 1700 deaths theres been over 20000 people who have died anyway. And the govt figures show all deaths for 2020 5 year average deaths from influenza and deaths from pneumonia and covid 19. In week 2 of 2020 for example just over 14000 people died. I'm not saying this virus isn't deadly or that it's not killing people but if you look at the graphs and figures it is still a small percentage of overall deaths in england and wales.

But look what's happening in italy and Spain?

Plus the virus is adding to the other diseases

Are you saying we shouldn't be worried?

I'm not saying dont be worried just practice the recommendations and we will be ok. One more thing to talk about the spanish influenza pandemic killed up to 50000000 people and population then was 1.8 to 1.9 billion "

Well the ones who have died havent been ok?

I'm frankly quite worried

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

I agree. Imagine how the country would be booming if the media didn't focus on negative news.

The newspaper industry was suffering from falling sales and falling advertising revenue, they needed a blockbuster to survive, along came Coronavirus and boy are they milking it.

Heard someone today call Facebook the Coronavirus of social media.Can't really comment as I am not on any social media sites"

Its probably been in the biggest story in decades.

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By *errymark2020 OP   Couple
over a year ago

sutton

No one who does is ok!!!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

On the official figures the number of cases where patient has recovered has been shown at 135 every day for the past 10 days.can't believe that to be right.What are the Government holding back? "

Lots I suspect and not to do with coronavirus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6% "

Can you quote a source for your 0.6%?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way death certificates work in the UK doctors have to specify the immediate cause of death and also the pathway to death so details of any underlying health issues plus other contributing factors. "
I understand that but we need to know how many people are dying from the virus and not just with it. If the government did that maybe they would lose some control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems some people, from their armchairs have some surprisingly accurate data on cases which have not been reported. By it's very definition the quantity of unreported data is itself unknown.

Using what is known.

229,420 Cases which had an outcome

185,208 (81%) Recovered / Discharged

44,212 (19%) Deaths

Of course the data is skwewed by those who become infected but it is not tested or diagnosed. This quantity is unknown.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6%

Can you quote a source for your 0.6%?"
it was from a report from the imperial college London

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is like a normal influenza rate with the stats there.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6%

Can you quote a source for your 0.6%? it was from a report from the imperial college London "

The death rate from confirmed COVID-19 cases is estimated in the study at 1.38%, while the overall death rate, which includes unconfirmed cases, is estimated at 0.66%. Death rates vary substantially, ranging from 0.0016% in 0 to 9-year-olds to 7.8% for people aged 80 and above.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share "

I read on the WHO 190,000-290,00 deaths to flue.

Coronavirus is a 20,000 or so.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

It's not about the deaths it's about the volume of sick people requiring hospital admission the more of those the greater chance of deaths increasing for many reasons not just Corona.

But at what point do these people focusing negatively on deaths start to take it seriously how many people have to die to make you think it's serious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu."
More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

I agree. Imagine how the country would be booming if the media didn't focus on negative news.

...and everyone would be ignoring the distancing/socialising advice which would result in new cases sky rocketing."

I'm not just talking about the virus but news in general. I think we all have to heed the advice about covid 19.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu."

With 2000 people per day death rate this gives us 730 000 per year.

I have yet to hear of one single strain of flu that's currently killing this many people per year.

This figure becomes larger every day. Who knows where it will end.

But hey if Donald Trump said it, it's gotta be true!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6%

Can you quote a source for your 0.6%? it was from a report from the imperial college London

The death rate from confirmed COVID-19 cases is estimated in the study at 1.38%, while the overall death rate, which includes unconfirmed cases, is estimated at 0.66%. Death rates vary substantially, ranging from 0.0016% in 0 to 9-year-olds to 7.8% for people aged 80 and above.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/"
still much less than 10%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed. "

563 people died with COVID-19 in the UK today.

If this happened every day it would kill 205,495 people per year.

This is one virus killing over 10 times more people than all the flu strains combined.

Maybe the news feeds find that significant...

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over a year ago

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

563 people died with COVID-19 in the UK today.

If this happened every day it would kill 205,495 people per year.

This is one virus killing over 10 times more people than all the flu strains combined.

Maybe the news feeds find that significant..."

And it’s going to go up. But hey yeah just flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed. "

WHO (world health Organisation)

Worldwide figures.

My bad I should have explained myself better.

Sorry about that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are alot of fake news about the stats to cause paranoia and hysteria.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It is like a normal influenza rate with the stats there."

Exactly.

Also 3.5 million die a year from respiratory disease.

9 million a year die from hunger.

3.1 million of that is children (and whilst we may not have a cure for covid 19, we most definitely do for starvation its called food).

Were told that the worlds being put on hold, to save lives (how many nobody knows for sure).

The inbalance between the stats and the reaction put in place dont add up.

If the higher ups really cared about saving lifes why isnt or hasnt anything been done for the milllions that die from starvation which is completely preventable.

Why isnt there 3 month flu season lock downs every year to stop the spread of influenza which kills hundreds of thousands and infects millions every flu season.

They surely arnt doing this to save lifes, its going to ruin more lifes than it saves.

One other thing that scratches my head is the number of CEOs that cashed in on shares and stepped down all within 6 months prior to this (some kind of insider kmowledge?) And thats not a conspiracy by the way thats a fact that CEOs from disney, google, gates foundation, microsoft, and hundreds of other companys where the top brass stepped down.

Somthings going on, whether we will ever know the truth or not is another story.

But people are all distracted that no one even knew of the 360 page covid19 bill that got passed through parliament the other day.

Talk about giving away our rights pftt

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"There are alot of fake news about the stats to cause paranoia and hysteria."

So the gmnt are making this out to be worse than it actually is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are alot of fake news about the stats to cause paranoia and hysteria.

So the gmnt are making this out to be worse than it actually is?"

https://youtu.be/aKTwBbge4lQ

Here is a doctor who is saying exactly what I have been saying since January.

Johnson is not the hero in this story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.its no where near 10% mortality rate.. think the latest figures 0.6%

Can you quote a source for your 0.6%? it was from a report from the imperial college London

The death rate from confirmed COVID-19 cases is estimated in the study at 1.38%, while the overall death rate, which includes unconfirmed cases, is estimated at 0.66%. Death rates vary substantially, ranging from 0.0016% in 0 to 9-year-olds to 7.8% for people aged 80 and above.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/ still much less than 10% "

Also not 0.6

Mortality rate can only be determined once an epidemic is over and antibody tests confirm how many people had the virus.

The CFR currently stands at 19%.

A just do the math. If 44 000 people have died how can that be 0.6 %. The calculation is based on unconfirmed cases. That is to say everyone who has phoned in with symptoms is assumed to test positive. Is this science?

Another factor to consider is data collected amongst all age groups. It means it also includes large numbers of children who water down the stats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is like a normal influenza rate with the stats there.

Exactly.

Also 3.5 million die a year from respiratory disease.

9 million a year die from hunger.

3.1 million of that is children (and whilst we may not have a cure for covid 19, we most definitely do for starvation its called food).

Were told that the worlds being put on hold, to save lives (how many nobody knows for sure).

The inbalance between the stats and the reaction put in place dont add up.

If the higher ups really cared about saving lifes why isnt or hasnt anything been done for the milllions that die from starvation which is completely preventable.

Why isnt there 3 month flu season lock downs every year to stop the spread of influenza which kills hundreds of thousands and infects millions every flu season.

They surely arnt doing this to save lifes, its going to ruin more lifes than it saves.

One other thing that scratches my head is the number of CEOs that cashed in on shares and stepped down all within 6 months prior to this (some kind of insider kmowledge?) And thats not a conspiracy by the way thats a fact that CEOs from disney, google, gates foundation, microsoft, and hundreds of other companys where the top brass stepped down.

Somthings going on, whether we will ever know the truth or not is another story.

But people are all distracted that no one even knew of the 360 page covid19 bill that got passed through parliament the other day.

Talk about giving away our rights pftt

"

You’ve given me chills.

That’s some scary stuff right there.

I’m of the opinion that what the government give now (or soon) will be paid back a hundred fold to the generations to come in taxes

We/they will be told ‘it was to save us’

That money could/should have been invested into the NHS prior to this pandemic in the hope of controlling it hopefully better maybe?

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"I thin they should also publish the number of survivors to rebalance things and give people some accurate figures all round. Too much negative news is not a good thing.

On the official figures the number of cases where patient has recovered has been shown at 135 every day for the past 10 days.can't believe that to be right.What are the Government holding back? "

We know that this figure has altered even if it’s only Boris and Charles .... but yes the figure has remained at 135 ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem is that no one is recording if people die "from Corvid-19" or "with Corvid-19" they are very different things. Also there is very little standardisation of how things are being recorded (across the world) thus most comparative statistics are useless.

If someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection is not usually recorded, unless the illness is a rare ‘notifiable disease’. So the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK are recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation. We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections. If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections.

Now look at what has happened since the emergence of Covid-19. The list of notifiable diseases has been updated. This list — as well as containing smallpox (which has been extinct for many years) and conditions such as anthrax, brucellosis, plague and rabies (which most UK doctors will never see in their entire careers) — has now been amended to include Covid-19. But not flu. That means every positive test for Covid-19 must be notified, in a way that it just would not be for flu or most other infections.

In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes. Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.

If we take drastic measures to reduce the incidence of Covid-19, it follows that the deaths will also go down. We risk being convinced that we have averted something that was never really going to be as severe as we feared. This unusual way of reporting Covid-19 deaths explains the clear finding that most of its victims have underlying conditions — and would normally be susceptible to other seasonal viruses, which are virtually never recorded as a specific cause of death."

Spot on well ssid and written

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By *illerpinsMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Since last Thursday to todays figures (which is 7 days) there have been 1,889 deaths in the UK (yes im including scotland and Northern Ireland)

but look at the figures

its almost up to 20% increase of deaths in the Uk every week and the death toll is increasing every day

so i have no idea what the original message is all about here....

Delusional

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Since last Thursday to todays figures (which is 7 days) there have been 1,889 deaths in the UK (yes im including scotland and Northern Ireland)

but look at the figures

its almost up to 20% increase of deaths in the Uk every week and the death toll is increasing every day

so i have no idea what the original message is all about here....

Delusional"

I'm confused are you saying 1889 deaths per week is more than normal? The norm is around 1400 per day.

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

That the data released by the government isn't showing the whole picture....

How many of the deaths are "from" Covid 19?

How many deaths are "with" Covid 19?

At present if you drop dead from a heart attack and you have Covid 19 in your body, even without symptoms, you would be counted in the Covid death figures.

The figures published by UK Govt are not in addition to the normal death rate there is expected to be s big overlap.

The death figures are not the full picture, we need to concentrate on how many are being admitted to hospital as a result of Covid 19 symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths."

10% of those tested positive. Not those who catch ut...most self-isolate at home. But UK are testing sod all other than those taken into hospital with serious symptoms. A larger % of those will sadly die...90% of those with serious symptoms are surviving.

As others have said....beware how you interpret statistics....

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.

With 2000 people per day death rate this gives us 730 000 per year.

I have yet to hear of one single strain of flu that's currently killing this many people per year.

This figure becomes larger every day. Who knows where it will end.

But hey if Donald Trump said it, it's gotta be true!"

Though the Worldometer says 122000 deaths from seasonal flu this year.... which is a pretty significant number

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause. "

This is misinterpretation of statistics. You may be correct with the figure, but that's death by All Causes.

The covid-related mortality is single cause and is currently increasing at an exponential rate.

.

Extrapolating the current trend, we might expect to see ~1000 deaths per day by next week.

In the last 7 days, we've had over 1800 deaths covid-related deaths.

.

Do you still regard this virus as a "small %" of the norm?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths."

This is factually untrue. You mistake those dying of Covid 19 and those dying WITH.

Public Health England are caputuring covid 19 data based on ANY mention of covid 19 9n death certificates.

The vast majority of deaths are occuring where a patient has 2-3 morbidity issues already. A morbidity issue is a health issue that can cause death in and of itself.

It is important to keep in mind covid 19 has a low morbidity rating as set by uk gov scientists - the links are available in the forum already.

The idea of the isolation principle is to stop the virus spreading and there by overwhelming the health service.

Take care all

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

As the effect of the lockdown starts to kick in, I would expect the rate of infections to reduce and accordingly, the daily deaths

What we are seeing now in daily deaths is not from the virus having been infected this week, possibly not even last week.

We must continue to stay indoors and everyone keep washing hands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.

This is factually untrue. You mistake those dying of Covid 19 and those dying WITH.

Public Health England are caputuring covid 19 data based on ANY mention of covid 19 9n death certificates.

The vast majority of deaths are occuring where a patient has 2-3 morbidity issues already. A morbidity issue is a health issue that can cause death in and of itself.

It is important to keep in mind covid 19 has a low morbidity rating as set by uk gov scientists - the links are available in the forum already.

The idea of the isolation principle is to stop the virus spreading and there by overwhelming the health service.

Take care all

"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-young-americans-covid-19

Nearly 40% of patients who were hospitalized in the US were under 55 and 20% were between 20 and 44 – experts weigh the evidence

Interesting article...

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"All I was saying is that on average 10,500 people die every week in england and wales from whatever the cause.

The current crisis though is due to a virus which is easy to contact, with no known cure, which is managing to kill around 10% of the people who catch it.

Unchecked it could account for the majority of weekly UK deaths.

This is factually untrue. You mistake those dying of Covid 19 and those dying WITH.

Public Health England are caputuring covid 19 data based on ANY mention of covid 19 9n death certificates.

The vast majority of deaths are occuring where a patient has 2-3 morbidity issues already. A morbidity issue is a health issue that can cause death in and of itself.

It is important to keep in mind covid 19 has a low morbidity rating as set by uk gov scientists - the links are available in the forum already.

The idea of the isolation principle is to stop the virus spreading and there by overwhelming the health service.

Take care all

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-young-americans-covid-19

Nearly 40% of patients who were hospitalized in the US were under 55 and 20% were between 20 and 44 – experts weigh the evidence

Interesting article..."

I did actually watch an American epidemiologists predict it would hit the US harder due to greater health issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?"

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?"

I've been using Worldstatistics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?

I've been using Worldstatistics"

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?"
You will only find numbers of people who died with the virus and not of it.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?You will only find numbers of people who died with the virus and not of it. "

Thats all im looking for...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html"

That's Johns Hopkins I should add

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed. "

Actually your post regarding UK flu deaths last year is inaccurate, by some margin.

UK flu deaths in 2018/9 — 312

(England 273)

Source;

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im struggling to find a day by day account of covid19 related deaths. Googling just brings up news sites and latest figures but i wanted to see a daily list - not in chart form.

Can anyone point me in the direction of one please?You will only find numbers of people who died with the virus and not of it.

Thats all im looking for..."

Am understanding that we have two categories of COVID-19 deaths.

One where people die because they were infected with the virus and people who coincidentally died whilst having the virus.

Are people making that distinction?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

Actually your post regarding UK flu deaths last year is inaccurate, by some margin.

UK flu deaths in 2018/9 — 312

(England 273)

Source;

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

"

And did they die of flu or die with flu?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

Actually your post regarding UK flu deaths last year is inaccurate, by some margin.

UK flu deaths in 2018/9 — 312

(England 273)

Source;

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

And did they die of flu or die with flu?"

It's a very nuanced distinction - probably some of the Doctors didn't even know.

Nonetheless, these are the official figures.

Significantly lower than those who will die from or with Covid19, sadly.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"I was doing a little research yesterday and the average weekly deaths in england and wales over the last 5 years is 10,500. So although this virus is a new phenomenon, it's a relatively small % compared to what normally happens every week. Just thought I'd share "

Wait... what? You are saying that the average weekly death toll is 10,500 people, and that adding an extra 3500 (at today's rate... growing) is not a "big deal"? In what way is a 33% increase in weekly deaths (and growing) "relatively small"?! What school did you go to?!

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

Actually your post regarding UK flu deaths last year is inaccurate, by some margin.

UK flu deaths in 2018/9 — 312

(England 273)

Source;

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

And did they die of flu or die with flu?"

If I randomly have a heart attack next month and then subsequently die due to the fact that there are no ICU beds available because they are overflowing with Covid-19 cases, what would you count that as?

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm staggered people still think this is no worse than the flu.More people was dying ever day last year because of the flu, so nothing like the flu that's a really was bad killer. But for some reason governments are treating this different not sure why yet? By the way over 20,000 in the UK died of the flu last year must have missed that news feed.

Actually your post regarding UK flu deaths last year is inaccurate, by some margin.

UK flu deaths in 2018/9 — 312

(England 273)

Source;

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

And did they die of flu or die with flu?

If I randomly have a heart attack next month and then subsequently die due to the fact that there are no ICU beds available because they are overflowing with Covid-19 cases, what would you count that as?

-Matt"

Unlucky? (please don’t tho)

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

Eddie large another covid victim rip X

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