FabSwingers.com forum: Let nature run its course

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection.

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By *ustfun 1984Man
over a year ago

exeter

So let's Go with your outlook and god forbid one of your loved ones ie a parant/spouse/child contacted this and was one of the weakest and didnt survive would your view still be the same???? Interesting??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humanity at its finest

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. "
This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm guessing this is a wind up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know a fair few of those people still need hospital treatment, right? It's more about the NHS not coping with it... Not us!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man"

Even if a vaccine is developed?

Also, if we flatten the curve by dint of measures like testing, isolation and lockdown we give the NHS a chance to avoid being overwhelmed so enabling the vulnerable a better chance of survival as they can get effective treatment without the NHS having to make decisions about who to treat and where to allocate resources.

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

People are going to die from this, they already are & we are powerless to prevent that. What we are trying to do is prevent unnecessary deaths by not letting the health service become totally swamped.

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity

You will lose workers on the front line who are fit, especially if they are overwhelmed.

Would you want one of your loved ones to die, with no one they know there to comfort them at the end? Because that’s the reality of it.

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity

Oh and a hidden profile kind of says this is one of those threads!

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By *rettyLittleThingWoman
over a year ago

Swansea

" With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion "

Thank you for this op, nearly spat out my coffee laughing

Cant be a serious post surely

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. "
What!!!!!!!!! This sort ofcomment makes me v v angry. I'm all right fuck anybody else attitude has to stop

Close this thread down. For God's sake this has to stop. Go and say that to a, relative who has died from this virus

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By *ornykinkycouple84Couple
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Wow.... just wow... there are no words, well no polite words anyway... wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wonder - if you’re so ready to let nature run it’s course then fancy signing something to say you’d refuse NHS treatment if you do fall ill?

Maybe if you’re so committed to such a eugenic agenda you’d be willing to put your money where your mouth is and let others take your place in the queue for help?

Easier said than done...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Following this principle, op will never use any medical treatment whatsoever, for the rest of their life, of course.

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By *esireXposedMan
over a year ago

East sussex

Such kind words, your country thanks you, well those that survive.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Its clearly a wind up

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Why don’t we apply this across the board.

Health issues

Poverty issues

Accidents.

Think of all the money the survivors could save

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

Posts like this one are becoming a really useful filter

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Our block button is on fire.

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By *wholeLotOfRosieWoman
over a year ago

Pontypridd

OP would you like to volunteer to join us NHS staff doing long hours with limited protective equipment?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Our block button is on fire."

Just curious...... What does that achieve ??

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By *ornyhappyCouple
over a year ago

perth

So OP, do you suggest that rather than put themselves at risk dealing with covid19 patients every day, the front line workers just don't bother treating anyone with the virus & let nature take it's course?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

At the start of this pandemic this attitude was common, many, many people said even on these forums "oh but it is only dangerous for the elderly and people with underlying health issues" the government had a (quickly abandoned) herd immunity policy. I think the op makes for a useful discussion point and an opportunity to consider opinions that many held not long ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the start of this pandemic this attitude was common, many, many people said even on these forums "oh but it is only dangerous for the elderly and people with underlying health issues" the government had a (quickly abandoned) herd immunity policy. I think the op makes for a useful discussion point and an opportunity to consider opinions that many held not long ago"

Unfortunately too many still hold these mistaken opinions

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

Perhaps we should just stop all medical interventions and vaccinations in that case?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Unfortunately too many still hold these mistaken opinions

Maybe, but its OK to hold and discuss opinions respectfully even if the majority disagree.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors."

There still are.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors.

There still are. "

Is this not down to the gmnt to get this message across?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe, but its OK to hold and discuss opinions respectfully even if the majority disagree. "

I don’t personally think that when misinformation can lead to a loss of life (see the gentleman who ingested chloroquine in the US after hearing Trump advocate it as a treatment) we should tolerate it.

Opinions are all good and well but there’s a line between subjectivity and outright mistakes of which I see far too often online under the thin veil of discourse.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Our block button is on fire.

Just curious...... What does that achieve ??"
no

Abuse also no chance ever of arranging a meet.

Simple filtering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately too many still hold these mistaken opinions

Maybe, but its OK to hold and discuss opinions respectfully even if the majority disagree. "

It’s not mistaken. It’s just a different opinion.

Let’s be honest, it’s what happened in the Spanish Flu pandemic. It’s not something I’d like to see in a developed society.

However in a world that is struggling with population pressures- this is what reduction looks like. Just no one wants to consider it when it’s close to home.

If this was confined to Africa no one would really give a monkeys.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Following this principle, op will never use any medical treatment whatsoever, for the rest of their life, of course. "

Ops strangely silent on never making use of any medical services ever again. This would include NEVER using STI facilities from now

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors.

There still are.

Is this not down to the gmnt to get this message across?"

The conspiracy theorists would say they are deliberately distributing false news.

The current situation is showing human nature in all its many aspects. Its quite interesting to observe how people react in a crisis. Some take action to help themselves and the wider community, some refuse to believe its happening, some blame other people for it, some see it as an opportunity to exploit and others make up stories about why its happened ranging from God punishing us to the illuminati having a master plan. It's fascinating

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Maybe, but its OK to hold and discuss opinions respectfully even if the majority disagree.

Opinions are all good and well but there’s a line between subjectivity and outright mistakes of which I see far too often online under the thin veil of discourse."

The op is an opinion though, it isn't misinformation and it isn't something that we're seeing in action. As I said a lot of people were prepared for survival of the fittest until they realised that this would be unlikely to happen

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors.

There still are.

Is this not down to the gmnt to get this message across?

The conspiracy theorists would say they are deliberately distributing false news.

I think by not being completely truthful they are allowing the conspiracies gain credencrm

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

There did seem to be quite a lot of myths floating around early doors.

There still are.

Is this not down to the gmnt to get this message across?

The conspiracy theorists would say they are deliberately distributing false news.

I think by not being completely truthful they are allowing the conspiracies gain credencrm"

I'd agree with you there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The op is an opinion though, it isn't misinformation and it isn't something that we're seeing in action. As I said a lot of people were prepared for survival of the fittest until they realised that this would be unlikely to happen"

My contention lay with sentiments like "oh but it is only dangerous for the elderly and people with underlying health issues".

OP can hold an opinion I disagree with but until they exhibit skin in the game by really buying into the natural selection theory they’re posturing.

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By *adiesman090Man
over a year ago

funky town

I think that at the moment it will take its course there is no treatment, government policy is to slow the spread not stop it. I find it very frightening but I don’t see any other option

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

My contention lay with sentiments like "oh but it is only dangerous for the elderly and people with underlying health issues".

OP can hold an opinion I disagree with but until they exhibit skin in the game by really buying into the natural selection theory they’re posturing."

Ah, I see.

Skin in the game, I've never heard that one before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do some people think it’s only about those suffering with Covid 19.

If your local ITU is at capacity due to the Covid 19 victims you’ve decided to sacrifice and you or a family member has a heart attack, or a stroke and need a ITU bed, what then ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think that at the moment it will take its course there is no treatment, government policy is to slow the spread not stop it. I find it very frightening but I don’t see any other option "

Hope we develop a vaccine soon.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"I think that at the moment it will take its course there is no treatment, government policy is to slow the spread not stop it. I find it very frightening but I don’t see any other option "

And that is the right way to fight it, the scientists need as much time as possible to find a vaccine that works and the field hospitals need time to be finished ready to accept patients. we all need to responsibly do our part to slow it down as much as we can.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

You may have a point, that might work but,,,,what kind of 'human race' would be left? What kind of 'human race' do we want to be?

Personally, I feel that part of being 'human' is being 'humane'.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

You may have a point, that might work but,,,,what kind of 'human race' would be left? What kind of 'human race' do we want to be?

Personally, I feel that part of being 'human' is being 'humane'."

The kind they had in germany in 1945.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Also I think what a lot of people miss is that nature is running its course. It's natural for humans to be empathetic, compassionate and caring (there is evidence of that even in prehistory) and to develop more and better ways of caring for the sick.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

You may have a point, that might work but,,,,what kind of 'human race' would be left? What kind of 'human race' do we want to be?

Personally, I feel that part of being 'human' is being 'humane'.

The kind they had in germany in 1945."

Personally, I'd prefer to be a member of a society that doesn't throw it's vulnerable under the train in difficult times.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

You may have a point, that might work but,,,,what kind of 'human race' would be left? What kind of 'human race' do we want to be?

Personally, I feel that part of being 'human' is being 'humane'.

The kind they had in germany in 1945.

Personally, I'd prefer to be a member of a society that doesn't throw it's vulnerable under the train in difficult times."

I agree.

Hospitals are not at capacity yet, we aren’t in a situation where we have to choose who to help and who to leave.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

It is a matter of steering a middle course. Reckon our Govt is doing it's best. Some mistakes? Yes, of course.

Trying to keep enough of the economy going so we can start the recovery.

The slightly more relaxed so "called lockdown" may have the beneficial spin off of a growing herd immunity. No magic solutions, no "silver bullets" Just a matter of working our way through it.

WELL DONE TO EVERYONE, YOU ARE DOING WELL, KEEP IT UP......

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man"

So in your life you've never had any form of medical intervention, inoculations or treatments at all?

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

The OP has been very active on the forums during this lockdown, often throwing in controversial comments to get a reaction. I simply wouldn't rise to it.

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

I wonder if OP’s family get infected they would still be saying this crap

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

Plus they have hidden their profile brave people

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

Don't feed the troll..

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Plus they have hidden their profile brave people "

It's probably Dominic Cummings from his self isolation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just wonder - if you’re so ready to let nature run it’s course then fancy signing something to say you’d refuse NHS treatment if you do fall ill?

Maybe if you’re so committed to such a eugenic agenda you’d be willing to put your money where your mouth is and let others take your place in the queue for help?

Easier said than done..."
well said my thoughts exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh dear it would appear I have touched a nerve by rasing what is actually a valid point.

This isn't personal, nature doesn't account for things like human emotion. What it does account for is balance. The planet has got where it is today though evolution and which is survival. You might not like it but it is true, read Darwin. We as a species have over grown which has allowed for unbalance. We aren't about to cull ourselves so nature has to.

As I say this isn't personal it's just nature and my point was should we allow nature to do its thing. And as it happens I have 2 vulnerable people in my close family and of course on a personal level I don't want to see any harm come to them or anyone else for that matter but we can't always focus on what is standing Infront of us without looking at the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be honest, have you actually read On the Origin of Species?

Are you sufficiently educated in biology to go around making statements like yours?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Oh dear it would appear I have touched a nerve by rasing what is actually a valid point.

I'm no expert..survival of the fittest tends to apply to animals.

And whilst there are, I suppose,reasons why it could apply to humans I'm not sure we are at critical extinction yet.

A sign of a compassionate society Is known its treats its most vulnerable members.If we were just let them die we are on a very slippery slope imo.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Be honest, have you actually read On the Origin of Species?

Are you sufficiently educated in biology to go around making statements like yours?"

Indeed

Evolution at it's most fundamental would be a species survives if it can reproduce

The fittest surviving is only one of many natural selection methods

Survival of that which has most offspring is another

Survival of the most caring or survival such as ants of the best symbiotic community

I will note however I do not like the unsophisticated suggestion from the OP

However

A I would certainly not want an opinion censored

And

B I feel 60 percent of the UK had a vaguely similar outlook regarding the UK and the rest of the savages in the world when it took the best alone stance of Brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will probably be abused just as much as the OP but this my take on things...

there is an argument that says the world should let the current virus take it's course, given that a long term "lockdown" could well cause a global recession that will impact the lives of the younger generation for many years to come is it worth it ? I am not of the "younger generation" but I would take my chances if it meant my grandchildren could get back to a normal life and my son (who suffers badly from depression) could continue his long road to wellbeing. I'm am simply expressing my opinion, I am not flouting the rules and am staying at home so no abuse please especially from those acting like the Stasi and reporting neighbours for having visitors or going out, have we really come to this !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think that is the way to go before been in lockdown for 6 months i wont survive the lockdown

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity

"Oh dear it would appear I have touched a nerve by rasing what is actually a valid point.

The issue with your thought process is, those on the front line. They would have to decide to an extent , who to treat and who not to. That would be a heavy burden to carry. Don’t you think? Would you want to make those kind of decisions?

It’s happening now in other countries without just letting the virus do its own thing.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

"The OP has been very active on the forums during this lockdown, often throwing in controversial comments to get a reaction. I simply wouldn't rise to it. "

This virus seems quite strange. Yes it seems to harm those in the high risk group but it also harms unlikely candidates. Perhaps the OP is one of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The virus escaped the lab... More like let "humans" reshape humanity

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I refer you all to my previous words on this topic

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/998238#message_22961568

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The virus escaped the lab... More like let "humans" reshape humanity

If we let them control our lives for something that kills less than hunger(8 million) and tuberculosis (1.18 million), suicide(794000), malaria(619000), diarrhea(1.57 million), meningitis(288000), cancer(9 milion), HIV/AIDS(418000), alcohol abuse(185000), cardiovascular diseasis(17 million)...per year (2017).

2.7 million this year died of hunger alone... And we here locked down to wait bill gates for digitalise our lives and get his vaccinations? Ye wake up...

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I have been "flamed" on here for one or views I have expressed. Yes. of course it is a catastrophic, unprecedented situation.

My points generally relate to the fact humanity has undergone hardship in the past and has recovered. Secondly we need to do all we can keep the economy going as best as possible. At a basic level people need money to buy food. Finally, this time, we need to guard, our democracy, our rights and citizenship.

Once given up they will be VERY difficult to recover. You need to look no further than China to see an alternative model. Take a look at some of my other posts to see my thought.

I am a moderate middle of the road guy with an independent out look. Oh, yes, short-termism rarely brings about good results...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sweet baby Jesus. We’ve only been locked down a week. Some are really going to lose their shit when people keep telling these snowflakes NO for once in their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are going to die from this, they already are & we are powerless to prevent that. What we are trying to do is prevent unnecessary deaths by not letting the health service become totally swamped. "

Exactly, we will have a better picture soon. I hate these restrictions and can't see them as being viable at all the length of time we are talking about but for the moment if it even saved one life ( and it will ) it will have been the right decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Click bait

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I'm pretty sure that some little Austrian guy tried this a few years ago, getting rid of anyone with imperfections and seen as being weak.

Are you suggesting that we should follow his idealogy?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Ideology

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

We can't stop nature doing it's thing but we can slow it down.

This virus is very contagious and left alone doubling every 3 days it would take about 78 days for it to infect 80% of the population. That's 52,000,000.

If 10% of those cases are serious that would mean 5,200,000 people would require hospitalisation. Even if any health service was resilient enough to deal 5,200,000 cases in just over 2 months the fatality rate would be about 10% of those or 1% of those infected; that's 520,000. But it would actually be a lot more because with 5,200,000 serious cases in a short time period most simply wouldn't get the care they needed so we could actually be looking at 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 deaths directly from the virus, if we left nature to run its course. You would then also have to on all the people who die from non corona conditions because the hospitals were so over run they couldn't be treated; that could be another 200,000 to 500,000.

I think its a perfectly valid question to ask whether the price we're paying to safe lives is a price worth paying and, if the number of lives being saved was a few thousand, it might not be a price worth paying. But, as the number of lives being saved is by this action is 100s of 1000s to possibly 1,000,000s of lives then the answer has to yes, it is a price worth paying.

However the question we should be asking is not whether the price we're paying is a price worth paying to save possibility millions of lives, it definitely is, but whether we have to pay THIS price to save all those lives, and I'm not so sure that we actually do.

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By *reeman76Man
over a year ago

oldbury

Are you friends with Boris Johnson and his eugenicist father?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Yet there's people who still claim it's just the flu!

Slaps forehead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully it be over in. No time. Dublin. Ireland is so so quite las 3 weeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is not whether we should let nature take its course - the problem is and continues to be - we do not listen.

We did not listen to the WHO telling us back in 2007 that horse shoe bats carrying a host of Coronavirus’s that could be dangerous to people.

We do not listen to the WHO telling us for years that we need to do something about hygiene practices, bush meat and wet markets all around the world.

We did and still are not listening to scientists telling us we need to prepair for worse pathogens like Nipah or Hendra like virus’s affecting humans- ideally looking at developing vaccines.

The Uk had plenty time to prepare for this and wasted time not ordering test kits or PPE.

This will be horrible but it will pass- there are far worse pathogens out there- we just need to become more aware that we need to take emerging viruses a lot more seriously.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The OP has been very active on the forums during this lockdown, often throwing in controversial comments to get a reaction. I simply wouldn't rise to it. "

It's a hit and run, without substance. No information from them on what medical interventions they've given up for life, such as STI screening and treatment services.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The problem is not whether we should let nature take its course - the problem is and continues to be - we do not listen.

We did not listen to the WHO telling us back in 2007 that horse shoe bats carrying a host of Coronavirus’s that could be dangerous to people.

We do not listen to the WHO telling us for years that we need to do something about hygiene practices, bush meat and wet markets all around the world.

We did and still are not listening to scientists telling us we need to prepair for worse pathogens like Nipah or Hendra like virus’s affecting humans- ideally looking at developing vaccines.

The Uk had plenty time to prepare for this and wasted time not ordering test kits or PPE.

This will be horrible but it will pass- there are far worse pathogens out there- we just need to become more aware that we need to take emerging viruses a lot more seriously. "

A head of nursing was on the news yesterday saying they were still waiting for equipment.

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By *abriellajackCouple
over a year ago

Newport

The other problem we will face is that we are a week in to this lockdown and people are already starting to crumble. Even those who aren't are finding it much tougher than they first thought.

Unfortunately the human race, especially large sections of the British public, are too pampered and spoilt and all have a breaking point.

It won't be long before many of the staunch 'we need to save lives brigade' start to turn and think it's not worth the cost of their own lives being destroyed in the form of unemployment, lost businesses, unpaid mortgage etc etc.

Enough people start to feel that way and this whole thing collapses anyway.

Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"The other problem we will face is that we are a week in to this lockdown and people are already starting to crumble. Even those who aren't are finding it much tougher than they first thought.

Unfortunately the human race, especially large sections of the British public, are too pampered and spoilt and all have a breaking point.

Enough people start to feel that way and this whole thing collapses anyway.

Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best. "

Us Brits don't like being told what to do!! lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The other problem we will face is that we are a week in to this lockdown and people are already starting to crumble. Even those who aren't are finding it much tougher than they first thought.

Unfortunately the human race, especially large sections of the British public, are too pampered and spoilt and all have a breaking point.

Enough people start to feel that way and this whole thing collapses anyway.

Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best. "

What if you dont believe in what they say?

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By *oldsteadyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best. "

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

So what do you suggest??

Look there's fuck all we can do now and just wait it out and hope they do the right thing.

The next election don't vote for them, perhaps another election may be called for next year.

Then you can make a difference.

Unless you plan on storming parliament taking control and sorting everything out?

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

I'm guessing this is a wind up"

1st of April tomorrow

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By *oldsteadyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

So what do you suggest??

Look there's fuck all we can do now and just wait it out and hope they do the right thing.

The next election don't vote for them, perhaps another election may be called for next year.

Then you can make a difference.

Unless you plan on storming parliament taking control and sorting everything out?"

We can ask questions of them.

I'm glad to see they're being held to account on TV tonight.

Germany are doing seven times as many tests as the UK.

Of course we have a Prime Minister who caught the virus by shaking hands with infected patients.

He revealed that just after he'd removed our right to protest.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

So what do you suggest??

Look there's fuck all we can do now and just wait it out and hope they do the right thing.

The next election don't vote for them, perhaps another election may be called for next year.

Then you can make a difference.

Unless you plan on storming parliament taking control and sorting everything out?"

Gove caught lying today (check out Robert Preston on Twitter)

Nurses leader still saying they dont have enough equip (5 live yesterday)gmnt denying.it

You are right..what can we do?

But people have a right to voice their concerns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the greatest virtues of humanity that justifies our existence on this planet is compassion for our fellow man. Therefore if the creators of sociopathic posts such as yours OP were taken from us then I feel the world woild be a better place. You would not be missed.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

So what do you suggest??

Look there's fuck all we can do now and just wait it out and hope they do the right thing.

The next election don't vote for them, perhaps another election may be called for next year.

Then you can make a difference.

Unless you plan on storming parliament taking control and sorting everything out?

We can ask questions of them.

I'm glad to see they're being held to account on TV tonight.

Germany are doing seven times as many tests as the UK.

Of course we have a Prime Minister who caught the virus by shaking hands with infected patients.

He revealed that just after he'd removed our right to protest.

The only presser I saw was the matt Hancock one and I dont think he answered a single question.

I believe gove evaded a question today about essential workers.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Be honest, have you actually read On the Origin of Species?

Are you sufficiently educated in biology to go around making statements like yours?

Indeed

Evolution at it's most fundamental would be a species survives if it can reproduce

The fittest surviving is only one of many natural selection methods

Survival of that which has most offspring is another

Survival of the most caring or survival such as ants of the best symbiotic community

I will note however I do not like the unsophisticated suggestion from the OP

However

A I would certainly not want an opinion censored

And

B I feel 60 percent of the UK had a vaguely similar outlook regarding the UK and the rest of the savages in the world when it took the best alone stance of Brexit

Fittest is a very loose word in evolutionary biology, ask Richard Dawkins.

Fittest refers not to athletic prowess and maximum efficiency, the if-it-works-it'll-do. You wouldn't call a sloth fit would you? A cheetah, yes. An eagle yes: but a slug, leech or maggot. They are fit enough to survive, eat, breed later in life and are able enough to pass on their chromosomes , to the next generation. We just don't class them as fit, in every day parlance.

Fit also includes the ability to overcome, life's extreme obstacles. Look at what a tardigrade can survive...makes the common-or-garden cockroach positively amateur.

Lecture over class

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Check out toby young today.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Nature may have no say in the outcome if it is discovered that the virus is a biological weapon.

No one knows what the long term after effects could be yet.

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By *oldsteadyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Hospices are now running out of soap and washing-up liquid, but the government's top priority is manipulating the news and blaming the UK population for spreading the virus.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Check out toby young today."

When Toby Young was born they slapped his mother.

I bet you people who make these crass statements have never experienced death and suffering at close quarters. It's something they see on TV then switch it off.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698

It’s not biological, there from horse shoe bats and worryingly they carry many SARS like Coronavirus’s.

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By *ich HardMan
over a year ago

Saffron Walden

Playing devils advocate, some belief systems are based on the 'what will be will be' attitude...

For what it's worth, i believe the day we pick and choose who to help we lose our very essence of 'human' being x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow...just absolutely wow!! There really is no accounting for stupid is there

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

" Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

How can we trust a government that failed to prepare for this pandemic?

A government that decided to go for herd immunity and then - too late - changed their minds.

A government that has failed to get enough chemicals for testing.

A government that has failed to get enough ventilators or protection equipment for front-line NHS workers.

They're a disgrace.

So what do you suggest??

Look there's fuck all we can do now and just wait it out and hope they do the right thing.

The next election don't vote for them, perhaps another election may be called for next year.

Then you can make a difference.

Unless you plan on storming parliament taking control and sorting everything out?

Gove caught lying today (check out Robert Preston on Twitter)

Nurses leader still saying they dont have enough equip (5 live yesterday)gmnt denying.it

You are right..what can we do?

But people have a right to voice their concerns.

Oh absolutely agree with that

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

I wonder if the OP would have survived to this point in their life if nature had been left to run its course....

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By *abriellajackCouple
over a year ago

Newport

"The other problem we will face is that we are a week in to this lockdown and people are already starting to crumble. Even those who aren't are finding it much tougher than they first thought.

Unfortunately the human race, especially large sections of the British public, are too pampered and spoilt and all have a breaking point.

Enough people start to feel that way and this whole thing collapses anyway.

Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

What if you dont believe in what they say?"

Of course we have the right to question them. I just wonder whether it's the right time. What will it change or improve?

Is it helpful to the government and the people that need them to act when they have to spend large chunks of their day answering to people who scrutinise their every move?

Im all for the government being accountable when it comes to normal daily business. I feel that this is not normal daily business though and every single country in the world has been completely taken by surprise here and understandably so as its unprecedented.

It was very much a guessing game and some countries, such as Germany, appear to have made better decisions at the beginning. That's not necessarily someones fault...the idea just didn't work out so they have chosen a different approach.

I just find it sad that even in these times we are incapable of pulling together. There is a very clear divide and I feel that a large percentage of it is tory bashing and the rest is made up of the new British mentality of wanting to complain regardless of the situation just to have a different opinion and be heard. None of which is helpful.

We are both key workers, provided with absolutely no ppe as of yet either so believe me we arent thrilled with lots of how this has been handled and the risk we are at. I just don't feel anyone is necessarily to blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mention "compassion for our fellow man" then end your post stating that the poster would not be missed if they die, an observation based base solely on on the fact they posted a differing point of view, a view that until recently was held by our own government and one that is still supported by many scientists. I am hazarding a guess that you know absolutely nothing about this person and as such have no knowledge of them and how much they would be missed. Having seen your post and the venom in it I could say that you would not be missed either but I am not that sort of person. There are arguments for and against letting this virus run its course and they are based around "herd immunity" and not "survival of the fittest". To start comparing people to Hitler and his eugenics program or calling them sociopaths who would not be missed if they were to die is deplorable. Do you you know if the poster is suffering mental health issues excaccerbated by the current situation ? I am not saying they are but if that were the case your disgraceful post could well have disasterous consequences but then again you plainly have no compassion and would not miss them.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698

It’s not biological, there from horse shoe bats and worryingly they carry many SARS like Coronavirus’s.

Aren't bats biological then

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Rob Clarke..... Good to read some sensible "middle of the road" stuff.... Man after my own heart. Building "herd" immunity will help to protect us in the longer term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Rob Clarke..... Good to read some sensible "middle of the road" stuff.... Man after my own heart. Building "herd" immunity will help to protect us in the longer term.

We are all entitled to an opinion and to see someone posting about compassion in a "holier than thou" manner then going on to say the world may be a better place if someone with a differing opinion dies and that person would not be missed is both hypocritical and nasty. I really find it hard to believe the attitude of some on here.

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By *merald Eyes XWoman
over a year ago

Can you find me….

WHAT?!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WHAT?!!! "

You are having trouble reading ??

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over a year ago

"The other problem we will face is that we are a week in to this lockdown and people are already starting to crumble. Even those who aren't are finding it much tougher than they first thought.

Unfortunately the human race, especially large sections of the British public, are too pampered and spoilt and all have a breaking point.

Enough people start to feel that way and this whole thing collapses anyway.

Personally, I think we elected this government and need to trust in whatever they... When guided by the experts... decide we need to do for the best.

What if you dont believe in what they say?

Of course we have the right to question them. I just wonder whether it's the right time. What will it change or improve?

Is it helpful to the government and the people that need them to act when they have to spend large chunks of their day answering to people who scrutinise their every move?

Completely taken by surprise? Absolutely not. A global pandemic was a case of when not if. We would have been better prepared (though not fully) if the NHS hadn't been stretched to its limit and every winter being a crisis.

That aside, we do need to get behind the govt and accountability can take place when the dust settles.

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By *assy211279Woman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere Cornwall

Brazil agrees. I wish we could stop being so silly. Once we would have beat this in days now we just clean away all the good bacteria and germs that will stop this. Well everyone else does. Here it is not so often so we will beat it easier than most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hidden profile so that people can’t message them to tell them what they really think

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I wonder if the government knows that the secret to beating this virus is on Fab?

Someone get Boris on the line and tell him to contact Fabs greatest minds. He will have this nipped in the bud by supper time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hidden profile so that people can’t message them to tell them what they really think "

That's not true but that's irrelevant - you can post here (unless you were hoping to be abusive which is reportable).

People are entitled to non-popular opinions.

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By *assy211279Woman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere Cornwall

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

I will sacrifice a few people I know. Mum would at least stop her back fully crumbling and a wheelchair that she refuses. Stepfather needs going any. Sister would be released from her pain. Sad for a little while but the after life can't be as bad as this hell

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

It's all fun and games till it hits home. That was the biggest mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

Yea its sheer hell having to stay indoors

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"I have been "flamed" on here for one or views I have expressed. Yes. of course it is a catastrophic, unprecedented situation.

Once given up they will be VERY difficult to recover. You need to look no further than China to see an alternative model. Take a look at some of my other posts to see my thought.

I am a moderate middle of the road guy with an independent out look. Oh, yes, short-termism rarely brings about good results... "

Moderate...

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"I wonder if the government knows that the secret to beating this virus is on Fab?

Someone get Boris on the line and tell him to contact Fabs greatest minds. He will have this nipped in the bud by supper time. "

Don’t be daft Katie from Facebook has the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no compassion for the compassionless. The world does not need robots, it needs human beings. As human beings we help one another. OP is alive because when was born he was cared for an fed and clothed. He was not left in a field for nature to take it's course.

Part of nature is that communities help each other. That means that when it is YOUR turn to be the helper and not the helped, you do not shirk out of that call to duty by letting nature take it's course.

And yes if the host of people who come to these forums to make crass, cruel and insensitive remarks were to diassapear I would not miss them.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Trouble is fit people are succumbing to it. Fit people who could have reproduced more fit people. Und zee master race vould fail.....sorry got carried away.

This herd immunity theory not such a good idea. Also lung damage is extremely difficult to repair if at all so survivors might not necessarily come out as good as before.

The future's so bright

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes if the host of people who come to these forums to make crass, cruel and insensitive remarks were to diassapear I would not miss them. "

You do not seem to realise that by making the comments you did towards a person with a differing opinion to yours you were yourself being "crass, cruel insensitive". The poster was not saying they did not care if people die they were asking if it was a price worth paying, in my lifetime we have seen people dying terrible deaths in their hundreds of thousands through war, famine and genocide and nearly every one of us has done nothing about it so why is everyone so passionate about death now, I guess it's simply because it's you and your family and not them and theirs.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Trouble is fit people are succumbing to it. Fit people who could have reproduced more fit people. Und zee master race vould fail.....sorry got carried away.

This herd immunity theory not such a good idea. Also lung damage is extremely difficult to repair if at all so survivors might not necessarily come out as good as before.

The future's so bright

I read just 3 countries initially adopted it..us the states and Switzerland.Even trump is now saying it was a terrible plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP I am not responding in the was I am because "disagree with your opinion". When you casually suggest that we let people die when we could save them, then you are wishing death on peoples loved ones.

Don't expect a favourable response. Lots of people are going to die and you with your careless words are making things worse.

If you wamt to pin a target on your back. Don't be surprised if people take shots at you.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

Of course there will be many personal tragedies...inevitable. However one also has to consider the over all impact on society. I know in some quarters I am not popular for being more concerned about the long term impact on our economy, our democracy, our civil rights and our general way of life... Just take look at China, saying no more...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is fit people are succumbing to it. Fit people who could have reproduced more fit people. Und zee master race vould fail.....sorry got carried away.

This herd immunity theory not such a good idea. Also lung damage is extremely difficult to repair if at all so survivors might not necessarily come out as good as before.

The future's so bright

It's nice to see someone making light of genocide, it so refreshing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Governments must always be held to account and open for dialogue. This especially when long-fought for liberties are removed from the people that they serve.

The herd immunity, let them die, approach was swiftly removed as the governments priority, due to critical feedback, including from academics who made it patently clear that it was not sustainable, due to the effects it would have upon the population and services of the NHS. We're now switched to protecting the NHS, by the same people who ran it down for 10 years and cancelled the 2019 pandemic evaluation and readiness work, due to their brexit and general election priority, which was largely an attempt to get Johnson in power for 5 more years.

There is likely to be a shift towards further divide and conquer, so that people put their anger etc on to each other - it's stupidity to be swayed by such tactics.

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By *wholeLotOfRosieWoman
over a year ago

Pontypridd

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

Because China had such great human rights policies and political freedom before this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes if the host of people who come to these forums to make crass, cruel and insensitive remarks were to diassapear I would not miss them.

Actually my parents are both deaf. All my grandparents are dead. Personally I am in no danger. So this a conclusion based purely on ignorance.

OP is suggesting the death of millions of people, statistically hundreds of millions of people if we just let nature take it's course.

Sorry if I'm not nominating OP for philanthropist of the year award.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

people always say this until it is someone close to them.... so ask them this...

you prepared to sacrifice your mum/dad/daughter/son for this????

really..........

Because China had such great human rights policies and political freedom before this? "

Exactly.....!!

Not everything is perfect in Western Europe but, by golly, I am glad to be living here....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes if the host of people who come to these forums to make crass, cruel and insensitive remarks were to diassapear I would not miss them.

Actually my parents are both deaf. All my grandparents are dead. Personally I am in no danger. So this a conclusion based purely on ignorance.

OP is suggesting the death of millions of people, statistically hundreds of millions of people if we just let nature take it's course.

Sorry if I'm not nominating OP for philanthropist of the year award.

If you read carefully I said it was a guess, you may not realise it but this is different to making an "ignorant conclusion". You seem to be unable to be civil in even the briefest of exchanges. I am hazarding a guess (you see what I said there, "guess") that as you are in no personal danger you have already had the virus in which case please enlighten us as to your symptoms and the care you received.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Rob Clarke..... Good to read some sensible "middle of the road" stuff.... Man after my own heart. Building "herd" immunity will help to protect us in the longer term.

No, finding a vaccine will help to protect us in the longer term.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Rob Clarke..... Good to read some sensible "middle of the road" stuff.... Man after my own heart. Building "herd" immunity will help to protect us in the longer term.

No, finding a vaccine will help to protect us in the longer term."

As I understand it, it will lead to the same place. We, as a race, will become more immune, or at least many of us will.....

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over a year ago

And yes if the host of people who come to these forums to make crass, cruel and insensitive remarks were to diassapear I would not miss them.

Actually my parents are both deaf. All my grandparents are dead. Personally I am in no danger. So this a conclusion based purely on ignorance.

OP is suggesting the death of millions of people, statistically hundreds of millions of people if we just let nature take it's course.

Sorry if I'm not nominating OP for philanthropist of the year award.

Please show me where I have not been civil?

I have no compassion for Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussain, Ted Bundy... etc does that make me a sociopath, or does it make me a person who chooses good over evil.

You are defending a person who suggests the needless death and suffering of millions of of people. You don't get to take the moral high ground here.

I work from home and have for the last 18 months. I have bought provisions from a wholesaler long before this panic buying started so I have no need to leave the house. As safe as one gets... except...

I have volunteered to help both the NHS and my local parish, putting myself at risk to help others. I am the opposite of your OP. I am prepared to risk my life to save people. It is far from encouraging to be reminded that some of the people who receive help wouldn't lift a finger in turn when their turn came.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I’m not advocating the OP’s approach, there’s truth in there being an element of this which cannot be controlled; only reacted to and motivated as much as possible.

There are already two strains of SARS-Cov-2; if it’s anything like Influenza, there will be more as viruses mutate. The vast majority of these mutations end up being no worse than the original strain and may well be covered by any original vaccine; or they may require yearly updates, as per Flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mitigated, not motivated.....bloody iPhone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps we should look at what 'letting nature take its course' entails.

With no quarantine, no action, business as usual... one can expect 80% of the 7.7 billion on the planet to become infected. With 3.4% mortality rate you are talking about the deaths of:

209 440 000

people.

I have no further comment for anyone supporting this. Just glad they aren't the ones making the decisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Rob Clarke..... Good to read some sensible "middle of the road" stuff.... Man after my own heart. Building "herd" immunity will help to protect us in the longer term.

No, finding a vaccine will help to protect us in the longer term.

As I understand it, it will lead to the same place. We, as a race, will become more immune, or at least many of us will....."

It will lead to the same place, however a vaccine will do so without the loss of life that letting it run it's course would incur.

If 80% of the population were to contract the virus as originally hypothesised, then that would mean 52,800,000 people with Covid-19 symptoms. If 20% of those went on to develop severe symptoms requiring hospitalisation, then that's 10,560,000 very sick people. With a mortality rate of roughly 1% then 105,600 people could be expected to succumb. Acceptable figure maybe? Except that it would actually be far higher than that because the NHS would be swamped and unable to cope, meaning people who would normally recover with treatment will also die, pushing up the mortality rate to what? 4%, 5%, possibly even more. A 4% mortality rate would be 422,400 deaths.

Nearly half a million dead in this country alone should not be an acceptable figure when a vaccine could do the same job without massive loss of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please show me where I have not been civil?

I have no compassion for Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussain, Ted Bundy... etc does that make me a sociopath, or does it make me a person who chooses good over evil.

You are defending a person who suggests the needless death and suffering of millions of of people. You don't get to take the moral high ground here.

You chose to say that I had come to an ignorant conclusion, you could have used the terms misinformed, incorrect or unsubstantiated but you settled on ignorant, the definition of which is "lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated" I would class this as not being civil and is in itself an ignorant response but good on you for risking your life for others...me ? I'm just about to go out and do my normal humdrum job as part of the big machine that keeps the lights on and the water flowing.

I would also point out that you are completely wrong (note I did not say ignorant) about me when you insinuate that I would not risk myself to help others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please show me where I have not been civil?

I have no compassion for Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussain, Ted Bundy... etc does that make me a sociopath, or does it make me a person who chooses good over evil.

You are defending a person who suggests the needless death and suffering of millions of of people. You don't get to take the moral high ground here.

I would also point out that you are completely wrong (note I did not say ignorant) about me when you insinuate that I would not risk myself to help others.

At the risk of diving into a debate on semantics I have labelled you guesswork as being based on ignorance. It is an assumption based on something you have no knowledge of. To say something is ignorant of someone else's circumstances is not to call that person an ignorant person.

But sorry I didn't not choose a word that wouldn't trigger your heightened sensitivity while you are defending some who suggested the needless death of hundreds of millions of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lmfao x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But sorry I didn't not choose a word that wouldn't trigger your heightened sensitivity while you are defending some who suggested the needless death of hundreds of millions of people."

Fun as it would be to continue this exchange with you I have to, as I said earlier, go out and contribute to the very thing that keeps our civilised society on the rails, it is risky out there but I'll take my chances for the greater good of this country.

Keep safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They keep saying this is a war, well it's been run like the 1st world war.

Let's all dig in and hope it's saves lives, foot note to history it didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hence the most vulnerable to this virus are the same one controling our lives. The very same ones who let the university and lab make mutations with the virus. The very same ones who let people die of hunger, the very same ones who let your rent skyrocketing, the very same ones who let inflation skyrocketing and your salary is still the same. The very same ones how increase their own salaries every few years while yours keep stuck in the mud, the very same ones who increased the education fees but your salary is still the same... they are just protecting their old fart ass... But thanks, at least we are protecting our families too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But sorry I didn't not choose a word that wouldn't trigger your heightened sensitivity while you are defending some who suggested the needless death of hundreds of millions of people.

Keep safe."

Thank you for doing that. I do appreciate those who are unable to to work from home. You guys are heroes.

And just what you say. The day we step back and let nature run its course when it comes to treating the ill, is the day we cease to be a civilised society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no doubt that that there is a certain irony in the fact that the same demographic likely to be severely affected by medical cutbacks are the same demographic who voted for the cutbacks in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I might add that the same irony exists that in time to come when the oxygen content in our atmosphere makes it impossible for old people to breathe.... it is we, the climate change denier generation, who will be those old people suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven’t read all the comments but as someone who has just lost a family member to this awful virus, I can’t agree at all.

I have been amazed at people’s kindness and show of humanity during this.

I’ve also been appalled. This is one of those times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven’t read all the comments but as someone who has just lost a family member to this awful virus, I can’t agree at all.

I have been amazed at people’s kindness and show of humanity during this.

I’ve also been appalled. This is one of those times."

I am very sorry to hear your sad news. My heart goes out to you in your time of loss

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I haven’t read all the comments but as someone who has just lost a family member to this awful virus, I can’t agree at all.

I have been amazed at people’s kindness and show of humanity during this.

I’ve also been appalled. This is one of those times."

Our deepest sympathy and condolences.

I keep telling myself to stop reading all these negative comments and conspiracy theories people trying to belittle what's happening.

But I just can't believe some of the insensitive and frankly unbelievable stuff that people are saying I am finding myself commenting when I know I should stay away.

I wish you and your family the best in what must be a very difficult time.x

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By *omfilthMan
over a year ago

Gloucester

Yeah fucking great idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah fucking great idea"

Tough guy huh?

So what about the 60 doctors in Italy who lost their lives fighting this virus? Are they dead because they weren't the fittest or are they dead because they put others lives before their own?

Does this mean that in your evolution the most selfish and self serving will survive? I'm not sure I would want to exist in your new world with your new masterrace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just imagine your surprise when it’s either you or a loved one that’s in A and E and the nurse switches off the machine with the phrase ‘sometimes you win...... sometimes you don’t ‘

Shut up....... leave the ethics to the professionals than Daily mail readers

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over a year ago

Just imagine your surprise when it’s either you or a loved one that’s in A and E and the nurse switches off the machine with the phrase ‘sometimes you win...... sometimes you don’t ‘

Shut up....... leave the ethics to the professionals than Daily mail readers "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man"

I'm somewhat minded to agree, to an extent. We're certainly starting to reach breaking point with the global population, though I do also appreciate the comments of those who have mentioned about loved ones etc.

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over a year ago

Just imagine your surprise when it’s either you or a loved one that’s in A and E and the nurse switches off the machine with the phrase ‘sometimes you win...... sometimes you don’t ‘

Shut up....... leave the ethics to the professionals than Daily mail readers "
I agree it's up to the doctors who lives and who dies they are the professionals. But watching the news and all the crap and figures,we need to know who died with the virus and who died of the virus so we know what's going on.

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over a year ago

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man

The solution to the overpopulation problem is for us not to have so many children.

I am so glad that so many of the people on this forum are not practicing swingers. I wouldn't wamt to play with someone who gleefully viewed the death of thousands of people as population control.

This forum is providing a good filtering platform. So guys keep posting your macabre posts. Our couples block list is growing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just imagine your surprise when it’s either you or a loved one that’s in A and E and the nurse switches off the machine with the phrase ‘sometimes you win...... sometimes you don’t ‘

Shut up....... leave the ethics to the professionals than Daily mail readers I agree it's up to the doctors who lives and who dies they are the professionals. But watching the news and all the crap and figures,we need to know who died with the virus and who died of the virus so we know what's going on. "

All the medical staff are fighting this bloody thing; they’re not deciding on who lives or dies!!! Politicians aren’t answering any questions about testing. Members of my family are signed up to get back into nursing and they aren’t sure whether they are going to get the correct PPE to do their jobs........I’d be more concerned why the Chief medical officer is having to answer questions like a political party broadcast when the head of the BMA is still asking for the right kit

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over a year ago

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man

The solution to the overpopulation problem is for us not to have so many children.

I am so glad that so many of the people on this forum are not practicing swingers. I wouldn't wamt to play with someone who gleefully viewed the death of thousands of people as population control.

This forum is providing a good filtering platform. So guys keep posting your macabre posts. Our couples block list is growing. "

You and all your family members were a child one day(and still is)... True we must mind the way we procreate...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would appear that far more people survive this than die from it. With this in mind maybe we should let it run its course and allow evolution and survival of the fittest be the natural conclusion. Yes some will die but far more will live on with a natural inbuilt protection. This will happen in long run anyway,it is allways about survival of the fittest fact of life.We can interfere to a point but nature is more powerfull than man

The solution to the overpopulation problem is for us not to have so many children.

I am so glad that so many of the people on this forum are not practicing swingers. I wouldn't wamt to play with someone who gleefully viewed the death of thousands of people as population control.

This forum is providing a good filtering platform. So guys keep posting your macabre posts. Our couples block list is growing.

You and all your family members were a child one day(and still is)... True we must mind the way we procreate..."

All the people who are dying were once children. At what age does it become acceptable to cheer on their demise as welcomed population control?

Personally I think this is just sick.

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By *ootleCouple
over a year ago

Romford, Essex

This is April 1st.....it is a joke, isn't it ?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Just for the record, I have NOT advocated a "leave it, do nothing approach". What I am saying is herd immunity will be building all the time the virus is around. Every day that passes we, as a species, whether we want it or not, will be acquiring herd immunity.

Just to be quite clear, I will repeat, I am NOT advocating a "leave it, do nothing approach". The controlled approach is almost certainly working. Neither am an advocate of "lock everyone in their houses". At some state we do have to start venturing back into life....

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Just for the record, I have NOT advocated a "leave it, do nothing approach". What I am saying is herd immunity will be building all the time the virus is around. Every day that passes we, as a species, whether we want it or not, will be acquiring herd immunity.

I wouldnt say this appyroach is working in the slightest tbh.

And havent we now rejected this approach?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Well I hope that anyone in favour of letting nature take its course will make a Do Not Resusitate statement before they get the virus. They should encourage their immediate family to do likewise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question."

Firstly, they left it too late to impose a lockdown insisting they were on the right track with the herd immunity plan which they have now abandoned (all the meanwhile the international community were scratching their heads)

Secondly, why are we not testing and isolating? The government have said that there’s a reagent shortage yet industry then came out and said it wasn’t true... smells like Whitehall has fucked it and they’re lying to cover their arses.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question."

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

I think we massively underestimated it and are still no where near ready.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We’re all biological.

I think you were suggesting that Covid was man made where most evidence suggests that it jumped naturally from bats to pangolins/ snakes mutating every so slightly.

There are far worse pathogens ( including SARS like viruses) that could be released by mankind such as variants of Nipah or Hendra viruses.

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over a year ago

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

I think we massively underestimated it and are still no where near ready."

The truth of the matter is that Johnson has fluffed it all up as badly as he possibly could have.

What is pure genius is the way he has convinced the UK public that it is somehow their fault not his.

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over a year ago

"The truth of the matter is that Johnson has fluffed it all up as badly as he possibly could have.

What is pure genius is the way he has convinced the UK public that it is somehow their fault not his."

And isn’t it funny that the likes of Alok Sharma are being thrown to the lions when the going gets tough to face the difficult questions as things go down the pan and it transpires that it didn’t have to be inevitable when we look over at the likes of Germany who have handled this far better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only reason why we are in lockdown is because of Johnson's failure to take the correct action when it was necessary.

For us to acknowledge this is to acknowledge we put the cross in the wrong box. Not ever going to happen. We'd rather die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

I think we massively underestimated it and are still no where near ready.

The truth of the matter is that Johnson has fluffed it all up as badly as he possibly could have.

What is pure genius is the way he has convinced the UK public that it is somehow their fault not his."
Name any country that has this under control, when are people going to wake up we can't beat this just hope it goes away. Ffs we have to stop blaming everyone and just hope it's goes away we are not god.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

I think we massively underestimated it and are still no where near ready.

The truth of the matter is that Johnson has fluffed it all up as badly as he possibly could have.

What is pure genius is the way he has convinced the UK public that it is somehow their fault not his.Name any country that has this under control, when are people going to wake up we can't beat this just hope it goes away. Ffs we have to stop blaming everyone and just hope it's goes away we are not god. "

South Korea.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/south-korea-rapid-intrusive-measures-covid-19

"South Korea took rapid, intrusive measures against Covid-19 – and they worked"

Your turn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Name any country that has this under control, when are people going to wake up we can't beat this just hope it goes away. Ffs we have to stop blaming everyone and just hope it's goes away we are not god. "

No one has anything under control but the likes of Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and Germany are doing far, far better to manage things than our government are.

We can mitigate the number of deaths associated with the virus by mass testing and then isolating anyone found to be carrying the virus (we’re not doing this and can’t find a satisfactory answer as to why not given the Chemical Industries Association contradicted government assertions of reagent shortages)

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over a year ago

"You feel the present advise and controls are not working??. I would have said they were. What suggestions do you have...?? Serious question.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.

I think we massively underestimated it and are still no where near ready.

The truth of the matter is that Johnson has fluffed it all up as badly as he possibly could have.

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