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Anybody who said it is just the flu want to hold their hands up and admit they got it wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

X

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"X"

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it.

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By *ntraditionalwomanWoman
over a year ago

Manchester


"X

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it."

i said its like flu. my point at the time was a high number of people die from flu every year and didnt see how it was different. i was wrong but didnt have the correct info to make that decision. we where just mushrooms

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"X

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it.

i said its like flu. my point at the time was a high number of people die from flu every year and didnt see how it was different. i was wrong but didnt have the correct info to make that decision. we where just mushrooms"

I think what we are seeing and people are missing the point alot.

It's not about how many are actually dying it's about how many need treatment in the hospital.

That's really the issue.

And if they aren't treated then more deaths will become the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I down played it but after knowing someone I went to school with, is now in critical care and is young with no health issues... it's quite shocking.

Even though the worldwide statics of confirmed cases vs death is still a low percentage, it's scary how it effects people so differently.

I really hope people are taking this seriously.

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By *ooskiMan
over a year ago

south coast


"X

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it.

i said its like flu. my point at the time was a high number of people die from flu every year and didnt see how it was different. i was wrong but didnt have the correct info to make that decision. we where just mushrooms

I think what we are seeing and people are missing the point alot.

It's not about how many are actually dying it's about how many need treatment in the hospital.

That's really the issue.

And if they aren't treated then more deaths will become the issue.

"

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a virus that needs to wind its neck in

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"X"

You

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I compared it just flu and to a degree I stand by it in the sense that it's a viral infection like any other, however the rate at which it spreads is fecking scary also the fact that you can be contagious without displaying symptoms is also scary but the scariest part for me at the moment is that the more we learn about it the more questions get raised, it's so difficult to understand which means it will be difficult to beat.

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By *old1974Man
over a year ago

Manchester

It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Yes totally, on many occasions!!!!!!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct."

No, it isn't. Influenza virus is from the family Orthomyxovirdae and is a negative sense single stranded RNA virus. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 of the Coronavirus family. These are positive sense, single stranded RNA viruses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m totally ignorant of what type of virus it is so I just listen to the experts and do ad I’m told. By experts I mean the medical and scientific experts, never the politicians.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland


"I’m totally ignorant of what type of virus it is so I just listen to the experts and do ad I’m told. By experts I mean the medical and scientific experts, never the politicians. "

And who do you think the politicians are getting their advice from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. I remember sending a very rude message to someone that was - almost verbatim - "I don't give a shit".

Now I never shut up about being in isolation and shared a photo of an asthma inhaler I borrowed from mum to social media stories. My chest is NOT happy. And I hate pangolins. And seeing pictures of the virus makes me want to cut one of those poxy crown things off the virus.

Bleck.

I'm worried about others, and myself, and furious with anyone who wanrs to physically meet in this climate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes. I remember sending a very rude message to someone that was - almost verbatim - "I don't give a shit".

Now I never shut up about being in isolation and shared a photo of an asthma inhaler I borrowed from mum to social media stories. My chest is NOT happy. And I hate pangolins. And seeing pictures of the virus makes me want to cut one of those poxy crown things off the virus.

Bleck.

I'm worried about others, and myself, and furious with anyone who wanrs to physically meet in this climate "

If qi could remember who it was I messaged, I would apologise to them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got a lot of shitty messages before being banned from the forums a few days ago when I was pleading with people to stay home when a chap said he’d ventured out and abided by social distancing protocols.

I don’t care whether they disagree with me but when you think your right to do whatever you want then starts to even potentially endanger others you are being selfish.

We live in a civil society because we choose to shed some rights and there’s a social contract. In exchange for the right to be offered protection and enjoy certain privileges that come with engaging and cooperating with others there are trade-offs. I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

All I want is for life to regain some semblance of normality as swiftly as possible but we can only get there if we all do our bit and stay at home.

Alleviate pressure on already struggling NHS and emergency services staff by not leaving your home save for ANY NON-ESSENTIAL journeys no matter how emotive or personally important they may be.

#stayhome

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I've been saying since January this was a pandemic waiting to happen.

Since end Jan I and my family started taking measure to prepare for months and months of self isolation.

Around this time Italy started getting it.

People just weren't heeding my advice. So many seem to be ignorant its unbelievable.

I was wearing gloves everywhere I went and wore masks on my multiple flights. People thought I was being stupid and plainly a hypochondriac.

Since returning back to the UK on 4th March I went into self isolation and lockdown.

I didn't need the government to tell me what was right.

So many still thought I was bonkers and when I started to appeal to people here on the forums most were being so stupid it was shocking!

A few messaged me in their horror and disgust at the behaviour of some.

Last weekend the British public decided to go to parks and beaches putting others at risk thinking only the old and vulernable were at risk.

I couldn't believe that the UK government took so long to implement a lockdown and sadly the UK population will pay the price.

All I can say is finally due to the government the public is in lockdown sadly too too late and so after all of this it is brave of you that have decided to post here and admit you got it wrong.

I have no hope in the intellect of the British people any longer.

You got the Iraq war wrong when the minority said don't do it.

You have certainly got Brexit wrong when the minority voted to stay because we won't leave and guess what we still haven't.

Even when our government has spent millions if not billions on propping up corrupt foreign leaders or arms traders or rogue states we the people have remained quiet because all we care about is paying our mortgages and debt going to work and being in this cycle of tv and sleep.

And now the British people that threw caution to the wind during this Pandemic have got it wrong again.

I really really hope 12 to 18months time or later when and if a vaccine is made available we the British people can say we saved the majority but only time will tell.

Please start educating yourselves and stop relying on the elitist politicians to do the thinking for you.

Sorry for the rant but I'm exhausted by the stupidity of people in this kingdom.

Peace blessings and safe health to all. X

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

I’m still not particularly fussed about it. I still think the government has the right response. However the thing that pisses me off is how clapped out the nhs response is due to lack of forsight and underfunding. It beggars belief the amount of money going on this when we should have been funding better for years. I’m fully expecting a global wipe out in the next 100 years because of poor funding globally for medicine.

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent

5 weeks ago..essex tom..started a corona thread...we got slated..lol

Take a look...

New it was coming..

It man made from Pirbright institute ..

Bill gates funds it..

And he is on record going on about depopulation. ..research is the key..

Next they will tell you it airborne. .even tho a virus needs a host..so cant travel in the air...just in droplets..ie sneezing coughing. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never said it was just Flu, though I did mention how many people die from the Flu each year and that we don't treat it in the same way.

The 1918 Flu pandemic killed approximately 50 million worldwide.

The problem with this thing is how quickly and easily it spreads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

+1 to what AsianManc said.

We are being led by a Prime Minister who first insisted on pressing on with a herd immunity plan (which will only be tenable if a vaccine is available unless he was willing to let society’s most vulnerable succumb to it) despite no one else taking that course of action and then dithering for weeks before finally declaring a lockdown.

His own bloody dad said he’d still be in the pub before he was forced to then ask the British public to stop mingling...

If it wasn’t so tragic it’d be funny.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct."

Um, no, it's not.

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By *eicsbimaleMan
over a year ago

loughborough

I don't care what it is I am just worried for my children and grandchildren, stay safe all

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

"

Nothing comes from negative ! : )

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By *hedevilKTWoman
over a year ago

milton keynes


"5 weeks ago..essex tom..started a corona thread...we got slated..lol

Take a look...

New it was coming..

It man made from Pirbright institute ..

Bill gates funds it..

And he is on record going on about depopulation. ..research is the key..

Next they will tell you it airborne. .even tho a virus needs a host..so cant travel in the air...just in droplets..ie sneezing coughing. ."

There was a difference between alerting and giving HELPFUL advice and shouting wake up ppl that’s what made him a joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity."

The ‘so what’ is that when people were downplaying it they might well have been carrying the virus asymptotically endangering people who were playing by the rules.

It’s selfish, short-sighted and dangerous.

And no one ever learnt anything by not having the humility to admit when they were wrong.

#stayhome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

The ‘so what’ is that when people were downplaying it they might well have been carrying the virus asymptotically endangering people who were playing by the rules.

It’s selfish, short-sighted and dangerous.

And no one ever learnt anything by not having the humility to admit when they were wrong.

#stayhome"

So it was a trick question then because I was only downplaying it before there were any rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs."
Saying it is influenza doesnt make the headlines as much as the other one does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m one of those people who said it’s just a stronger flu , I been in bed since Monday with the symptoms and only now getting better after a online consultation with my gp , he prescribed a script I’m fit and healthy not been doctors in years I train every day and this as wiped me out , the worst part is thinking have I got it as I not been tested , but I’m on the mend now BUT IN ISOLATION stay safe everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" So it was a trick question then because I was only downplaying it before there were any rules "

Then I think you frankly need a crash course in statistics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs."

I don’t quite have the energy to argue with you but whilst this is a virus in the same way that influenza is it is not the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said weeks ago they should close all swingers clubs. The abuse I received saying bareback sex is more dangerous etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"X

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it.

i said its like flu. my point at the time was a high number of people die from flu every year and didnt see how it was different. i was wrong but didnt have the correct info to make that decision. we where just mushrooms"

No one had the correct info! I don’t know why this thread is up and running it could have gone either way! It is what it is!

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

I said it was just flu. A few years ago I have a coughing fit which made me have miny fits - not good!!!!!

This year after 14 days self iso I can get back the really world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" No one had the correct info! I don’t know why this thread is up and running it could have gone either way! It is what it is! "

So having seen a novel virus spring up that was incredibly contagious sweep across the globe from China through Iran and Italy before arriving here you’re telling me you wouldn’t have thought it at least sensible to ban travel from those countries, test people here already to see who had it so we could isolate them from the general population then impose a lockdown to decrease the risk of overwhelming our intensive care units?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" No one had the correct info! I don’t know why this thread is up and running it could have gone either way! It is what it is!

So having seen a novel virus spring up that was incredibly contagious sweep across the globe from China through Iran and Italy before arriving here you’re telling me you wouldn’t have thought it at least sensible to ban travel from those countries, test people here already to see who had it so we could isolate them from the general population then impose a lockdown to decrease the risk of overwhelming our intensive care units?"

Yes the governments should have acted sooner but that’s not the debate! No point shutting the gate after the horse has bolted and do the blame game! At the end of the day this virus looked similar to flu so some people would assume it was another strain! What you gonna do shoot them for being wrong! We just got to get on with a bad job as per bleeding usual! No point wasting energy on bickering about who thought what save that for break time love!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs.

I don’t quite have the energy to argue with you but whilst this is a virus in the same way that influenza is it is not the same thing."
Same here, if you look up coronairus v influenza which is the greatest threat? They said that it is a very difficult question to answer as there is no universal answer for it on the comparison chart influenza had actually more of the so called "often" symptoms than the corona virus had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs.

I don’t quite have the energy to argue with you but whilst this is a virus in the same way that influenza is it is not the same thing.Same here, if you look up coronairus v influenza which is the greatest threat? They said that it is a very difficult question to answer as there is no universal answer for it on the comparison chart influenza had actually more of the so called "often" symptoms than the corona virus had. "

So why is op running g this thread doesn’t help the situation! I don’t understand people like that! Silly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At last the reality is finally setting in for people.

There’s plenty on my social media who downplayed it almost militantly, the same people who went out for one last pint on Friday before the pubs shut, the same people who went out to big public gatherings acting like it was a bank holiday weekend.

They’re now backtracking completely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually give up! Pointless task!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I still say it is like the influenza, it kind of have the same symptoms, both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza a and influenza b viruses) and covid-19 display the same symptoms.

Influenza is a viral infection that affects the nose, throat, bronchi and the lungs.

I don’t quite have the energy to argue with you but whilst this is a virus in the same way that influenza is it is not the same thing.Same here, if you look up coronairus v influenza which is the greatest threat? They said that it is a very difficult question to answer as there is no universal answer for it on the comparison chart influenza had actually more of the so called "often" symptoms than the corona virus had.

So why is op running g this thread doesn’t help the situation! I don’t understand people like that! Silly! "
I think it is because everyone believes in different things, which is good as it causes discussions as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

Nothing comes from negative ! : ) "

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By * and C 123Couple
over a year ago

Delamere

Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fear is the oldest tool of power

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda."
That is right the media want to cause paranoia and hysteria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fear is the oldest tool of power"

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By * and C 123Couple
over a year ago

Delamere

Fek me I'm glad I'm not the only one to see it.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda."

I looked up the WHO for annual deaths from flu. It states between 290,00 and 650,000 annually. So annually is not the same length of time that the coronavirus has been going around and it doesnt appear to be millions.

The coronavirus related death rate is increasing and in some countries at an alarming rate (temporary morgues are not the norm). It seems to early to draw a conclusion either way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No because I have been conscious of the danger of this virus since mid January.

Not patting myself on the back. Just wondering why it took the rest of the world to catch on. Wondering why some people still haven't caught on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"X

Yep, me.

I didn't say it was just flu, but I downplayed it.

i said its like flu. my point at the time was a high number of people die from flu every year and didnt see how it was different. i was wrong but didnt have the correct info to make that decision. we where just mushrooms

I think what we are seeing and people are missing the point alot.

It's not about how many are actually dying it's about how many need treatment in the hospital.

That's really the issue.

And if they aren't treated then more deaths will become the issue.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda."

Right at the beginning I thought that too but looking at the numbers and the science I see now that it is far worse than the flu.

The speed at which this virus has spread shows that it is more contagious than the flu, the number of deaths within a short period also reflect the seriousness of the infection. - Over 25,000 so far and almost as many in serious or critical condition.

Whilst the majority of cases are elderly or people with underlying health conditions there may be some younger who were otherwise healthy, that remains to be seen.

It should also be noted that this virus could be around for a long time, perhaps not infecting at the same rate but as an underlying disease that could become an outbreak again, the severity of that will be determined on how soon a vaccine is created and how effective it is.

Perhaps if it had been named Coronaic Plague instead of the totally mundane Covid people may have taken more notice

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"+1 to what AsianManc said.

We are being led by a Prime Minister who first insisted on pressing on with a herd immunity plan (which will only be tenable if a vaccine is available unless he was willing to let society’s most vulnerable succumb to it) despite no one else taking that course of action and then dithering for weeks before finally declaring a lockdown.

His own bloody dad said he’d still be in the pub before he was forced to then ask the British public to stop mingling...

If it wasn’t so tragic it’d be funny."

Thanks alot bud!

So many are now waking up ....they're becoming aware....it's dawning upon them...

...that things are badly badly messed up.

It's so so sad to see and even harder and frustrating when we tried to warn the naysayers that a storm as coming.

stay safe all. Peace!

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


"I've been saying since January this was a pandemic waiting to happen.

Since end Jan I and my family started taking measure to prepare for months and months of self isolation.

Around this time Italy started getting it.

People just weren't heeding my advice. So many seem to be ignorant its unbelievable.

I was wearing gloves everywhere I went and wore masks on my multiple flights. People thought I was being stupid and plainly a hypochondriac.

Since returning back to the UK on 4th March I went into self isolation and lockdown.

I didn't need the government to tell me what was right.

So many still thought I was bonkers and when I started to appeal to people here on the forums most were being so stupid it was shocking!

A few messaged me in their horror and disgust at the behaviour of some.

Last weekend the British public decided to go to parks and beaches putting others at risk thinking only the old and vulernable were at risk.

I couldn't believe that the UK government took so long to implement a lockdown and sadly the UK population will pay the price.

All I can say is finally due to the government the public is in lockdown sadly too too late and so after all of this it is brave of you that have decided to post here and admit you got it wrong.

I have no hope in the intellect of the British people any longer.

You got the Iraq war wrong when the minority said don't do it.

You have certainly got Brexit wrong when the minority voted to stay because we won't leave and guess what we still haven't.

Even when our government has spent millions if not billions on propping up corrupt foreign leaders or arms traders or rogue states we the people have remained quiet because all we care about is paying our mortgages and debt going to work and being in this cycle of tv and sleep.

And now the British people that threw caution to the wind during this Pandemic have got it wrong again.

I really really hope 12 to 18months time or later when and if a vaccine is made available we the British people can say we saved the majority but only time will tell.

Please start educating yourselves and stop relying on the elitist politicians to do the thinking for you.

Sorry for the rant but I'm exhausted by the stupidity of people in this kingdom.

Peace blessings and safe health to all. X

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Yes, it's shown us up rather this. I think as a nation we've become very selfish & arrogant thinking we're untouchable -us Brits do things different type of thing.

Whenever we get through this, I don't think we'll be taking things for granted anymore, like we used to.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


"I’m still not particularly fussed about it. I still think the government has the right response. However the thing that pisses me off is how clapped out the nhs response is due to lack of forsight and underfunding. It beggars belief the amount of money going on this when we should have been funding better for years. I’m fully expecting a global wipe out in the next 100 years because of poor funding globally for medicine. "

Yes, we're now reaping the results of over 10 years of austerity.

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By *ovegames42Man
over a year ago

london

Clearly some individuals still think this way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let’s be clear: you can tell me influenza kills X number of people per year but you all do realise that a) there’s no vaccine for coronavirus yet (it’s at least a year away best case scenario) and b) this has only just started.

Given coronavirus appears far more contagious AND deadly than influenza you do understand that year-on-year it will have killed more people between January 2020 and January 2021 than common influenza, right? The number of dead will grow unabated at an exponential rate.

Do I need to draw a diagram in crayon to explain this or something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was one of these. And did a hard 180

When I started reading some of the data extrapolations a few weeks back. Managed to get my aged father to self isolate nice and early fortunately!

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda.

Right at the beginning I thought that too but looking at the numbers and the science I see now that it is far worse than the flu.

The speed at which this virus has spread shows that it is more contagious than the flu, the number of deaths within a short period also reflect the seriousness of the infection. - Over 25,000 so far and almost as many in serious or critical condition.

Whilst the majority of cases are elderly or people with underlying health conditions there may be some younger who were otherwise healthy, that remains to be seen.

It should also be noted that this virus could be around for a long time, perhaps not infecting at the same rate but as an underlying disease that could become an outbreak again, the severity of that will be determined on how soon a vaccine is created and how effective it is.

Perhaps if it had been named Coronaic Plague instead of the totally mundane Covid people may have taken more notice"

There is something big you're missing in your evaluation of the speed it spreads and how contagious this coronavirus is compared to influenza - the annual vaccination program for flu. Against SARS-CoV-2 we have no current immunity.

I was involved with the H1N1 pandemic and the numbers of infections was somewhere around 1B people but the mortality rate was quite low. Aside from the health reasons, we have had a lot of personal freedoms removed whilst spread is contained, something that didn't happen in 2009. So just keep calm, wash your hands for 20s, and stay at home for as long as necessary. Science has this, we know what it is, where it came from and our ability to understand the next steps is better, even than in 2009.

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By *ncubus XMan
over a year ago

midlands - glasgow - islands

I’m a big dickhead through ignorance, now my educated opinion is “oh shit I was wrong”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was involved with the H1N1 pandemic and the numbers of infections was somewhere around 1B people but the mortality rate was quite low. Aside from the health reasons, we have had a lot of personal freedoms removed whilst spread is contained, something that didn't happen in 2009. So just keep calm, wash your hands for 20s, and stay at home for as long as necessary. Science has this, we know what it is, where it came from and our ability to understand the next steps is better, even than in 2009. "

You sound sensible and I actually think you’ve a very valid point about the lockdown measure being a tool in the battle.

People must realise the virus doesn’t spread - people spread it.

How confident are you though of a vaccination being found in a timely manner? What’s behind your optimism?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I down played it but after knowing someone I went to school with, is now in critical care and is young with no health issues... it's quite shocking.

Even though the worldwide statics of confirmed cases vs death is still a low percentage, it's scary how it effects people so differently.

I really hope people are taking this seriously.

"

Sorry for the personal question, but I was wondering do they just have coronavirus? Or do they have something else that's developed as well such as a chest infection?

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By *utecontradictionMan
over a year ago

Malvern


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda.

Right at the beginning I thought that too but looking at the numbers and the science I see now that it is far worse than the flu.

The speed at which this virus has spread shows that it is more contagious than the flu, the number of deaths within a short period also reflect the seriousness of the infection. - Over 25,000 so far and almost as many in serious or critical condition.

Whilst the majority of cases are elderly or people with underlying health conditions there may be some younger who were otherwise healthy, that remains to be seen.

It should also be noted that this virus could be around for a long time, perhaps not infecting at the same rate but as an underlying disease that could become an outbreak again, the severity of that will be determined on how soon a vaccine is created and how effective it is.

Perhaps if it had been named Coronaic Plague instead of the totally mundane Covid people may have taken more notice

There is something big you're missing in your evaluation of the speed it spreads and how contagious this coronavirus is compared to influenza - the annual vaccination program for flu. Against SARS-CoV-2 we have no current immunity.

I was involved with the H1N1 pandemic and the numbers of infections was somewhere around 1B people but the mortality rate was quite low. Aside from the health reasons, we have had a lot of personal freedoms removed whilst spread is contained, something that didn't happen in 2009. So just keep calm, wash your hands for 20s, and stay at home for as long as necessary. Science has this, we know what it is, where it came from and our ability to understand the next steps is better, even than in 2009. "

This is one of the things that has convinced me how bad things could have been if the world had not imposed lockdowns of varying measures in each country.

I am a big believer in doing your own research online from reputable sources and had almost forgotten about Swine Flu in 2009, although official figures were fairly low in terms of infections and deaths for Swine Flu the WHO and other recognised bodies estimate the figures to be around 1.4billion infected and over 250,000 dead...in case you didn't get that it was a quarter of a million people who died and yet the world didn't miss a beat, no lockdowns,no panic,even schools stayed open yet it was mostly under 20's who were at risk of dying.that tells me that the medical and scientific communities told governments that if we did nothing the deaths world wide would have been in the millions. Estimates have been an 80% infection rate with a 5%mortality rate. That would have been 300million dead.

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By *69BANMan
over a year ago

Reading


"

How confident are you though of a vaccination being found in a timely manner? What’s behind your optimism?

"

I now work in clinical trials, but your definition of timely may not be what we consider timely My work is now bacterial rather than viral, but you're most likely looking at next year before an effective vaccine is available. We have to get it through the phases of trials so not until we get to phase III will we know more (we're currently in the very early stages of phase I).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I now work in clinical trials, but your definition of timely may not be what we consider timely My work is now bacterial rather than viral, but you're most likely looking at next year before an effective vaccine is available. We have to get it through the phases of trials so not until we get to phase III will we know more (we're currently in the very early stages of phase I). "

That’s what I initially feared. I don’t know anything about pharma development save that it takes a year AT BEST to get anywhere.

People like you are the real value adders to society though so keep it up and thanks from all of us who don’t see your crucial work day-to-day

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"5 weeks ago..essex tom..started a corona thread...we got slated..lol

Take a look...

New it was coming..

It man made from Pirbright institute ..

Bill gates funds it..

And he is on record going on about depopulation. ..research is the key..

Next they will tell you it airborne. .even tho a virus needs a host..so cant travel in the air...just in droplets..ie sneezing coughing. .

There was a difference between alerting and giving HELPFUL advice and shouting wake up ppl that’s what made him a joke "

A joke ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"5 weeks ago..essex tom..started a corona thread...we got slated..lol

Take a look...

New it was coming..

It man made from Pirbright institute ..

Bill gates funds it..

And he is on record going on about depopulation. ..research is the key..

Next they will tell you it airborne. .even tho a virus needs a host..so cant travel in the air...just in droplets..ie sneezing coughing. .

There was a difference between alerting and giving HELPFUL advice and shouting wake up ppl that’s what made him a joke

A joke ? "

If anyone was a joke Tom is wasn't you, trust me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A joke ? "

People would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces than admit to being wrong so ignore them.

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By *akedduo66Couple
over a year ago

Near Bordon


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome"

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

..

I took it seriously from the first time I heard a bit of something about it. Lots of people have downplayed this, some continue to do so.

I have found some of the comments and mocking quite unpleasant.

There’s no point in pointing the finger now though is there? People just need to unite to protect everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

"

I think you are actually, yes. You don’t have the right to flaunt your naked self in front of people who didn’t ask to see it.

But that’s off-topic.

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By *astledking19TV/TS
over a year ago

buckingham


"I’m totally ignorant of what type of virus it is so I just listen to the experts and do ad I’m told. By experts I mean the medical and scientific experts, never the politicians. "

Isnt it ironic how we perceive politicians as liars......and how many doctors that now take their seats in the House of Commons.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

"

On a side issue I have always wondered how many women get turned on when riding a bicycle ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isnt it ironic how we perceive politicians as liars......and how many doctors that now take their seats in the House of Commons."

How many doctors are MPs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cheers for that .

Y'know each time we come back onto Fabs I promise myself we won't go back onto the Forums .

It's the domain of pompous self righteous bigots and yet again I'm proved right .

I'll just enjoy talking to my broad minded friends that we've accumulated after thirty odd years of naturism .

You keep wanking into your sock in your sad little life .

Toodle pip."

Cheerio!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

I think you are actually, yes. You don’t have the right to flaunt your naked self in front of people who didn’t ask to see it.

But that’s off-topic."

There is absolutely nothing wrong with naturism. This is exactly the place where people who enjoy naturism should feel safe, not attacked. For a site supposedly devoted to swinging and liberalised sexual fun, there are a hell of a lot of incredibly repressed and close minded people on here.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Anyone like me , read the title , then scroll to the very last comment and wonder what happened ?

Here’s my 2c , it’s just a bad cold, and naturists are alright, especially disabled ones, they are super cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but roaming naked in front of the public who have expressly not asked or given consent is not ok to me.

Do what you will but keep it behind closed doors or expressly among consenting adults - don’t expose it to people who’ve not asked.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Anyone like me , read the title , then scroll to the very last comment and wonder what happened ?

Here’s my 2c , it’s just a bad cold, and naturists are alright, especially disabled ones, they are super cool.

"

We're not naturists (apart from in our own home)

But we have no issues with those who are and find it bizarre that they would garner such negative comments on a site like this. I wondered if I'd stumbled across Catholic Church Weekly or something.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

"

This completely

Whilst I never said "It's just the flu" and acknowledged that there was a concern but we needed to monitor and see how it unfolded - there were just as many people playing the "headless chicken" scaremongering act based on very little actual information as there were those who wrote it off as "just the flu" - but point scoring is, well, pointless, it is what it is and we are where we are.

Yes people got it wrong on both sides of the equation but back patting and self-congratulation serves no purpose whatsoever

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"X"

Ask the question in 5 years time.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

This completely

Whilst I never said "It's just the flu" and acknowledged that there was a concern but we needed to monitor and see how it unfolded - there were just as many people playing the "headless chicken" scaremongering act based on very little actual information as there were those who wrote it off as "just the flu" - but point scoring is, well, pointless, it is what it is and we are where we are.

Yes people got it wrong on both sides of the equation but back patting and self-congratulation serves no purpose whatsoever "

Not you again.. hang your head in shame..just flu you said .

and disrespected and bullied others for being concerned..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Isnt it ironic how we perceive politicians as liars......and how many doctors that now take their seats in the House of Commons.

How many doctors are MPs?"

Lots of doctors are in the two houses but often not doctors of medicine ...or doctors of common sense for that matter

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

"

I wouldn't want my young nieces and nephew seeing a bunch of naked people riding their bikes, if you want to do it on private land, that's fine, but not on public roads.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

I wouldn't want my young nieces and nephew seeing a bunch of naked people riding their bikes, if you want to do it on private land, that's fine, but not on public roads. "

But do the women get turned on doing it? I heard that some women can orgasm riding a bike.. is that true or false ?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

I wouldn't want my young nieces and nephew seeing a bunch of naked people riding their bikes, if you want to do it on private land, that's fine, but not on public roads. "

My own personal belief is this..

Naked in public as a lifestyle to feel at one with nature.. naturism

Naked in public to feel sexual is exhibitionism..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

I wouldn't want my young nieces and nephew seeing a bunch of naked people riding their bikes, if you want to do it on private land, that's fine, but not on public roads.

But do the women get turned on doing it? I heard that some women can orgasm riding a bike.. is that true or false ?"

False.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"

I’d love to walk about stark bollock naked and some might argue there’s nothing wrong with it but if I did so and a child saw me I’d be seen, rightly, as a pervert.

#stayhome

An interesting logic !.

Why ?.

We've participated in quite a few World Naked Bike Rides in London, York and Brighton , many kids would of seen us and so by your strange logic we are perverts of a massive magnitude .

I wouldn't want my young nieces and nephew seeing a bunch of naked people riding their bikes, if you want to do it on private land, that's fine, but not on public roads.

My own personal belief is this..

Naked in public as a lifestyle to feel at one with nature.. naturism

Naked in public to feel sexual is exhibitionism.. "

But doing it in front of people who don't share your love of naturism is wrong.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I sort of agree Keeley..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I sort of agree Keeley..

"

Crikey, are you OK?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"I sort of agree Keeley..

Crikey, are you OK? "

Yes.. you talk sense..

Naturism is fine but please don't inflict it on others who do not share your interest..

In my humble opinion..

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

This completely

Whilst I never said "It's just the flu" and acknowledged that there was a concern but we needed to monitor and see how it unfolded - there were just as many people playing the "headless chicken" scaremongering act based on very little actual information as there were those who wrote it off as "just the flu" - but point scoring is, well, pointless, it is what it is and we are where we are.

Yes people got it wrong on both sides of the equation but back patting and self-congratulation serves no purpose whatsoever

Not you again.. hang your head in shame..just flu you said .

and disrespected and bullied others for being concerned..

"

My head is held perfectly high thank you very much and if you can find one instance where I said "It's just flu" I will be extremely surprised.

What you call "disrespected and bullied" I call providing perfectly rational and reasoned counterpoints to some of what was being said by others and again if you can find a single instance where I *actually* bullied anyone (as opposed to offering reasoned counter points, even if some of them may have turned out to be wrong) I will again be very surprised - in fact if you actually go back and read some of what was said I think you'll find my posts actually acknowledged what some of the more reasoned posters (as opposed to the chicken littles) were saying, even if I didn't agree with it at the time.

Regardless of how things have transpired I stand by every word I said at the time, based on what we knew back then, too.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

This completely

Whilst I never said "It's just the flu" and acknowledged that there was a concern but we needed to monitor and see how it unfolded - there were just as many people playing the "headless chicken" scaremongering act based on very little actual information as there were those who wrote it off as "just the flu" - but point scoring is, well, pointless, it is what it is and we are where we are.

Yes people got it wrong on both sides of the equation but back patting and self-congratulation serves no purpose whatsoever

Not you again.. hang your head in shame..just flu you said .

and disrespected and bullied others for being concerned..

My head is held perfectly high thank you very much and if you can find one instance where I said "It's just flu" I will be extremely surprised.

What you call "disrespected and bullied" I call providing perfectly rational and reasoned counterpoints to some of what was being said by others and again if you can find a single instance where I *actually* bullied anyone (as opposed to offering reasoned counter points, even if some of them may have turned out to be wrong) I will again be very surprised - in fact if you actually go back and read some of what was said I think you'll find my posts actually acknowledged what some of the more reasoned posters (as opposed to the chicken littles) were saying, even if I didn't agree with it at the time.

Regardless of how things have transpired I stand by every word I said at the time, based on what we knew back then, too. "

No humility, no humbleness, narcissistic as always..

Not worth a hand job as Nigel Benn once said..

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By *hythmic DriverMan
over a year ago

Croydon

Yeah me too. I was very blaise about it but held my hands up 2 weeks ago and admitted I was wrong.

So wish it was just a regular flu

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Yeah me too. I was very blaise about it but held my hands up 2 weeks ago and admitted I was wrong.

So wish it was just a regular flu"

It's not about being wrong or right. You are honest.. salute you sir

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By *hythmic DriverMan
over a year ago

Croydon

Thank you Sir


"Yeah me too. I was very blaise about it but held my hands up 2 weeks ago and admitted I was wrong.

So wish it was just a regular flu

It's not about being wrong or right. You are honest.. salute you sir"

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Thank you Sir

Yeah me too. I was very blaise about it but held my hands up 2 weeks ago and admitted I was wrong.

So wish it was just a regular flu

It's not about being wrong or right. You are honest.. salute you sir"

Others not so humble

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"Now isn't the time to be trying to score "I'm better than you points" by rubbing peoples noses in it.

So what if people underestimated it, they know now how serious it is and that's all that matters.

Negative posts just breed more negativity.

This completely

Whilst I never said "It's just the flu" and acknowledged that there was a concern but we needed to monitor and see how it unfolded - there were just as many people playing the "headless chicken" scaremongering act based on very little actual information as there were those who wrote it off as "just the flu" - but point scoring is, well, pointless, it is what it is and we are where we are.

Yes people got it wrong on both sides of the equation but back patting and self-congratulation serves no purpose whatsoever

Not you again.. hang your head in shame..just flu you said .

and disrespected and bullied others for being concerned..

My head is held perfectly high thank you very much and if you can find one instance where I said "It's just flu" I will be extremely surprised.

What you call "disrespected and bullied" I call providing perfectly rational and reasoned counterpoints to some of what was being said by others and again if you can find a single instance where I *actually* bullied anyone (as opposed to offering reasoned counter points, even if some of them may have turned out to be wrong) I will again be very surprised - in fact if you actually go back and read some of what was said I think you'll find my posts actually acknowledged what some of the more reasoned posters (as opposed to the chicken littles) were saying, even if I didn't agree with it at the time.

Regardless of how things have transpired I stand by every word I said at the time, based on what we knew back then, too.

No humility, no humbleness, narcissistic as always..

Not worth a hand job as Nigel Benn once said..

"

None needed, as I said I stand by everything I said at the time based on how things stood at the time - but as I said further up it's not about who was wrong or right, or even any need for apology for however we may have viewed it back then, and it certainly shouldn't be about chest thumping - it is what it is and we each have to deal with it as it currently stands

I suggest you look up the definitions of some of those words you are bandying about though

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Yawn... MBMIB..

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"I've been saying since January this was a pandemic waiting to happen.

Since end Jan I and my family started taking measure to prepare for months and months of self isolation.

Around this time Italy started getting it.

People just weren't heeding my advice. So many seem to be ignorant its unbelievable.

I was wearing gloves everywhere I went and wore masks on my multiple flights. People thought I was being stupid and plainly a hypochondriac.

Since returning back to the UK on 4th March I went into self isolation and lockdown.

I didn't need the government to tell me what was right.

So many still thought I was bonkers and when I started to appeal to people here on the forums most were being so stupid it was shocking!

A few messaged me in their horror and disgust at the behaviour of some.

Last weekend the British public decided to go to parks and beaches putting others at risk thinking only the old and vulernable were at risk.

I couldn't believe that the UK government took so long to implement a lockdown and sadly the UK population will pay the price.

All I can say is finally due to the government the public is in lockdown sadly too too late and so after all of this it is brave of you that have decided to post here and admit you got it wrong.

I have no hope in the intellect of the British people any longer.

You got the Iraq war wrong when the minority said don't do it.

You have certainly got Brexit wrong when the minority voted to stay because we won't leave and guess what we still haven't.

Even when our government has spent millions if not billions on propping up corrupt foreign leaders or arms traders or rogue states we the people have remained quiet because all we care about is paying our mortgages and debt going to work and being in this cycle of tv and sleep.

And now the British people that threw caution to the wind during this Pandemic have got it wrong again.

I really really hope 12 to 18months time or later when and if a vaccine is made available we the British people can say we saved the majority but only time will tell.

Please start educating yourselves and stop relying on the elitist politicians to do the thinking for you.

Sorry for the rant but I'm exhausted by the stupidity of people in this kingdom.

Peace blessings and safe health to all. X

Yes, it's shown us up rather this. I think as a nation we've become very selfish & arrogant thinking we're untouchable -us Brits do things different type of thing.

Whenever we get through this, I don't think we'll be taking things for granted anymore, like we used to. "

Thank you.

I agree however will we as a nation learn no I don't think so.

The bankers got us into major recession but the poor paid.

The Tories kept funds away from the NHS who paid those that cannot pay for private healthcare.

We always allow the elite to do as they please and the general public pays.

How do they get away with this? Well simple every 4 year a new leader a new election a new party a new manifesto and the previous walk away Scott free.

A new generation comes and they never know of the goodness of people of the past or the horrors of evil from the past instead a new bogeyman is formed once it was communism or the blacks now the beard growing turban wearing folk of desserts and caves lol

Will the public wake up no but surely this Pandemic would ney should have been enough and even now so many live with their heads in the sand.

Why?

Stay safe! Peace!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


" No one had the correct info! I don’t know why this thread is up and running it could have gone either way! It is what it is!

So having seen a novel virus spring up that was incredibly contagious sweep across the globe from China through Iran and Italy before arriving here you’re telling me you wouldn’t have thought it at least sensible to ban travel from those countries, test people here already to see who had it so we could isolate them from the general population then impose a lockdown to decrease the risk of overwhelming our intensive care units?"

I think if you want to know how to defeat this virus then you need to look at the countries that have had the most success in beating it so far and those that have had the least.

The countries that have had the most success in beating this virus are South Korea and Taiwan. In those two countries they have not used travel bans or lockdowns. What they have used is testing, tracking and isolating, and only when we and other countries start doing that will we get ahead of this thing.

The countries that have been the least successful in defeating this virus are Italy, Spain and Iran. All those three countries have tried using travel bans and lockdowns and they simply haven't worked. Lockdown may eventually work as it has in China but at a very high economic cost. Travel bans are just a total waist of time and seem to have no effective affect on the number of cases.

The choice is simple, we waist time, money and lives doing what people hopes works but actually doesn't work well at all (travel bans and lockdowns) or do now what has actually worked successfully else where and what we'll end up doing eventually anyhow as it's the only strategy that actually works (testing, tracking, isolating).

It's just a matter of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it goes without saying that testing is one of the tools at our disposal to fight the spread.

Testing takes time, however, because we simply don’t have the kits available which require development hence during the lag we should lockdown to limit transmission.

Remember that South Korea and Taiwan also have strong incidences I’d mask-wearing.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


" No one had the correct info! I don’t know why this thread is up and running it could have gone either way! It is what it is!

So having seen a novel virus spring up that was incredibly contagious sweep across the globe from China through Iran and Italy before arriving here you’re telling me you wouldn’t have thought it at least sensible to ban travel from those countries, test people here already to see who had it so we could isolate them from the general population then impose a lockdown to decrease the risk of overwhelming our intensive care units?

I think if you want to know how to defeat this virus then you need to look at the countries that have had the most success in beating it so far and those that have had the least.

The countries that have had the most success in beating this virus are South Korea and Taiwan. In those two countries they have not used travel bans or lockdowns. What they have used is testing, tracking and isolating, and only when we and other countries start doing that will we get ahead of this thing.

The countries that have been the least successful in defeating this virus are Italy, Spain and Iran. All those three countries have tried using travel bans and lockdowns and they simply haven't worked. Lockdown may eventually work as it has in China but at a very high economic cost. Travel bans are just a total waist of time and seem to have no effective affect on the number of cases.

The choice is simple, we waist time, money and lives doing what people hopes works but actually doesn't work well at all (travel bans and lockdowns) or do now what has actually worked successfully else where and what we'll end up doing eventually anyhow as it's the only strategy that actually works (testing, tracking, isolating).

It's just a matter of time.

"

If you go YouTube there's a great video on how South Korea dealt with it. Just type in 'South Korea Channel 4 news'

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By *ohn8210tCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

Perhaps the government could hold its hands up too when we all had it in October and November time. People we know tested positive having had it cira November .

Don’t get us wrong, we agree it’s very very serious. So please abide by advice as we and our friends and family are.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

This thread does seem to be full of Cassandras. Those cursed to prophecie the truth but never be believed.

And also full of the people, who continually ignored and condemned Cassandra for her proficiencies but then would go into panic as the prophecies started to come true and consequently totally mishandle the situation.

I never said that this virus was like flu. I always said it would be serious and that a reasonable worst case scenario if we did nothing was 500,000 directly dead from the virus and possibly as many again from those not being able to be treated for other conditions because the health service would be totally overwhelmed.

I also said that, whilst this was bad, there was no need to panic as for most people (80%) it would be no worse than a bad case of the flu and that, if we wanted to keep the death rate as low as possible, we needed to prepare.

Unfortunately Cassandra wasn't listened to again we didn't prepared enough. So now everyone is running around like headless chickens saying we should have done this then and we must do that now or we're all doomed.

We're not all doomed. Most of us will be absolutely fine, although many won't. What we need to do now is, as calmly as possible, look at what actually works and start implementing it and not waist any more time on baning stupid irrelevant things like whether people should be allowed to drive out to the country side for a damb walk with their dogs.

The solution to this crisis is out there in South Korea and Taiwan. All we have to do is stop panicking and pick it up and run with it.

It is that simple.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I think I've said previously I wasn't personally worried about it and it would be a nasty flu.

I've had it and yup it was a nasty flu.

My flu jab didn't help me but I guess my pneumococcal jab did help.

As yet most the experts seem to believe that some sort of immunity should stay so fingers crossed that is true.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"I think I've said previously I wasn't personally worried about it and it would be a nasty flu.

I've had it and yup it was a nasty flu.

My flu jab didn't help me but I guess my pneumococcal jab did help.

As yet most the experts seem to believe that some sort of immunity should stay so fingers crossed that is true."

Hope you ok Moderator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"X"

It is. We just dont have the correct vaccine for this strain.. i read that flu had killed or 5k americans onethis year.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does it make sense there is more deaths in Italy than China yet it origatated there very strange dont you all think .??

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I think I've said previously I wasn't personally worried about it and it would be a nasty flu.

I've had it and yup it was a nasty flu.

My flu jab didn't help me but I guess my pneumococcal jab did help.

As yet most the experts seem to believe that some sort of immunity should stay so fingers crossed that is true."

I believe I have it at the moment, and at the moment, it's incredibly mild for me. Just like a heavy cold. Main symptoms is the loss of smell and taste - absolutely cannot smell or taste anything at all. I briefly had a temp of 38.1 but it went away in hours without paracetamol. I don't have a cough (yet). I have a very congested nose and swollen glands and a headache that comes and goes. Whatever was doing the rounds at Christmas/January for me was much worse, I got a chest infection and was ill for a good fortnight.

Note, this is my experience of my symptoms and does not mean that I think everyone experiences the same.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct."

Not a strain of flu

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct.

No, it isn't. Influenza virus is from the family Orthomyxovirdae and is a negative sense single stranded RNA virus. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 of the Coronavirus family. These are positive sense, single stranded RNA viruses. "

Absolutely correct, thank you

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct.

No, it isn't. Influenza virus is from the family Orthomyxovirdae and is a negative sense single stranded RNA virus. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 of the Coronavirus family. These are positive sense, single stranded RNA viruses.

Absolutely correct, thank you

"

You're welcome, fellow science-types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I believe I have it at the moment, and at the moment, it's incredibly mild for me. Just like a heavy cold. Main symptoms is the loss of smell and taste - absolutely cannot smell or taste anything at all"

Maybe it’s a coincidence but I had a really bad cough a few weeks ago with a couple of days of crazy fever/chills, chills to the point I couldn’t get out of bed I was so cold.

I just put it down to a bad cold but for the first time in my life I also completely lost my sense of taste and smell. I couldn’t even taste things like garlic.

I’m not saying I definitely had it, but I’d like to get a test if possible to find out, I believe one to test for antibodies is being developed.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock


"It is a strain of flu so everyone was correct.

No, it isn't. Influenza virus is from the family Orthomyxovirdae and is a negative sense single stranded RNA virus. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 of the Coronavirus family. These are positive sense, single stranded RNA viruses. "

Absolutely correct, thank you

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"

I believe I have it at the moment, and at the moment, it's incredibly mild for me. Just like a heavy cold. Main symptoms is the loss of smell and taste - absolutely cannot smell or taste anything at all

Maybe it’s a coincidence but I had a really bad cough a few weeks ago with a couple of days of crazy fever/chills, chills to the point I couldn’t get out of bed I was so cold.

I just put it down to a bad cold but for the first time in my life I also completely lost my sense of taste and smell. I couldn’t even taste things like garlic.

I’m not saying I definitely had it, but I’d like to get a test if possible to find out, I believe one to test for antibodies is being developed. "

It seems to be that data is being gathered worldwide and several professional bodies relating to ENT believe that loss of smell/taste should be included as symptoms. My loss of both is currently total. I normally have a keen sense of smell but can smell absolutely zero at the moment. Every single food, drink and even cum (yes, I know!) tastes the same. It all tastes of nothing, which I didn't even realise was possible!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/coronavirus-loss-of-smell-and-taste-reported-as-early-symptoms-of-covid-19-134564

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I believe I have it at the moment, and at the moment, it's incredibly mild for me. Just like a heavy cold. Main symptoms is the loss of smell and taste - absolutely cannot smell or taste anything at all

Maybe it’s a coincidence but I had a really bad cough a few weeks ago with a couple of days of crazy fever/chills, chills to the point I couldn’t get out of bed I was so cold.

I just put it down to a bad cold but for the first time in my life I also completely lost my sense of taste and smell. I couldn’t even taste things like garlic.

I’m not saying I definitely had it, but I’d like to get a test if possible to find out, I believe one to test for antibodies is being developed.

It seems to be that data is being gathered worldwide and several professional bodies relating to ENT believe that loss of smell/taste should be included as symptoms. My loss of both is currently total. I normally have a keen sense of smell but can smell absolutely zero at the moment. Every single food, drink and even cum (yes, I know!) tastes the same. It all tastes of nothing, which I didn't even realise was possible!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/coronavirus-loss-of-smell-and-taste-reported-as-early-symptoms-of-covid-19-134564"

I wasn’t even aware the loss of taste/smell was a symptom until earlier this week.

I remember being very pissed off I couldn’t taste anything at all

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"

I believe I have it at the moment, and at the moment, it's incredibly mild for me. Just like a heavy cold. Main symptoms is the loss of smell and taste - absolutely cannot smell or taste anything at all

Maybe it’s a coincidence but I had a really bad cough a few weeks ago with a couple of days of crazy fever/chills, chills to the point I couldn’t get out of bed I was so cold.

I just put it down to a bad cold but for the first time in my life I also completely lost my sense of taste and smell. I couldn’t even taste things like garlic.

I’m not saying I definitely had it, but I’d like to get a test if possible to find out, I believe one to test for antibodies is being developed.

It seems to be that data is being gathered worldwide and several professional bodies relating to ENT believe that loss of smell/taste should be included as symptoms. My loss of both is currently total. I normally have a keen sense of smell but can smell absolutely zero at the moment. Every single food, drink and even cum (yes, I know!) tastes the same. It all tastes of nothing, which I didn't even realise was possible!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/coronavirus-loss-of-smell-and-taste-reported-as-early-symptoms-of-covid-19-134564

I wasn’t even aware the loss of taste/smell was a symptom until earlier this week.

I remember being very pissed off I couldn’t taste anything at all

"

I'm starting to think I'll just scrap food and drink till it comes back. There's zero joy in it at all, it just has differing texture and I can distinguish hot or cold. That's it. S didn't put sugar in my coffee - couldn't tell. Stopped actually having tea or coffee today because hot water tastes identical and it's too good to waste condiments. I found myself putting salt on chips earlier and wondering why the heck I bothered!! S is just about tolerating my sarcastic "compliments to the chef" comments anyway

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By *ntheswingCouple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

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By *ntheswingCouple
over a year ago

middlesbrough


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda.

I looked up the WHO for annual deaths from flu. It states between 290,00 and 650,000 annually. So annually is not the same length of time that the coronavirus has been going around and it doesnt appear to be millions.

The coronavirus related death rate is increasing and in some countries at an alarming rate (temporary morgues are not the norm). It seems to early to draw a conclusion either way"

Part of it that not all countries record deaths in the same way. Italy and China for example record corona deaths in different ways. In Italy say, you go into hospital after falling out of a tree resulting in terminal brain damage, but also have a mild case of corona 19, you are classed as dying from corona 19. In China you would be classed as dying from brain damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How does it make sense there is more deaths in Italy than China yet it origatated there very strange dont you all think .??"

The Chinese locked down. Fast. Tested and isolated anyone found to have contracted the virus and insisted on social distancing and mask-wearing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda."

Sorry, but can we just kick this theory in the proverbial arse.

If anyone believes it is propaganda, then their paranoia is clearly more enhanced than their abilities at basic maths, the kind of which the average 14 year old is expected to have a grip on in schools.

An average of 17,000 people die from flu each year in the UK. The HIGHEST year recently we had about 28,000 deaths. Keep that in mind.

So far going on the curve there will have been over 2,500 deaths in the UK by midnight on the 31st March (2352 reported up to 5pm) That's 2,500 deaths minimum in 26 days. Now increase that number proportionately to all 366 days in 2020 and you get 35,192 deaths for a year's period. A good bit in excess of our worst recent year of flu and that's with all the lockdown measures imposed towards the end of the month.

Oh and that's also the rate from zero, which technically would see the least increase in deaths.

Dismissing this virus as propaganda is not only an uneducated view to have, it's also a harmful one.

B

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Less than 20,000 worldwide have died of corona. Flu has killed millions in the same time.

Much less dangerous than flu, it's all properganda.

Sorry, but can we just kick this theory in the proverbial arse.

If anyone believes it is propaganda, then their paranoia is clearly more enhanced than their abilities at basic maths, the kind of which the average 14 year old is expected to have a grip on in schools.

An average of 17,000 people die from flu each year in the UK. The HIGHEST year recently we had about 28,000 deaths. Keep that in mind.

So far going on the curve there will have been over 2,500 deaths in the UK by midnight on the 31st March (2352 reported up to 5pm) That's 2,500 deaths minimum in 26 days. Now increase that number proportionately to all 366 days in 2020 and you get 35,192 deaths for a year's period. A good bit in excess of our worst recent year of flu and that's with all the lockdown measures imposed towards the end of the month.

Oh and that's also the rate from zero, which technically would see the least increase in deaths.

Dismissing this virus as propaganda is not only an uneducated view to have, it's also a harmful one.

B"

The 5g/man made/new world order brigade cannot be reasoned with.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"How does it make sense there is more deaths in Italy than China yet it origatated there very strange dont you all think .??

The Chinese locked down. Fast. Tested and isolated anyone found to have contracted the virus and insisted on social distancing and mask-wearing."

They also lie about everything including that the virus existed so perhaps not to use those data / results in anything

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Could a foreign power planted the virus in Wuhan?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Could a foreign power planted the virus in Wuhan?"

Lay it on us Tom what do you know?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Could a foreign power planted the virus in Wuhan?

Lay it on us Tom what do you know?"

I know nothing.. I think it mutated across species ..

Bat, Snake, Cat I don't know but it is worrying..

More to this than meets the eye..

Boris and Charles will have mild symntoms.. wonder if they have access to drugs that the commoners don't..

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