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"That should do it. The dirty spreaders." Say what now? | |||
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"That should do it. The dirty spreaders. Say what now?" glad it wasnt just me. And police can't ban anything by themselves | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all" how do you work that out. So what are people meant to do with their dogs | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all how do you work that out. So what are people meant to do with their dogs " Eat them the way shoppings going! (Just kidding) | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all" You can't quarentine da family pet I walk my hound still and try my best to maintain distance garantee I'm one of the few here going out in n95 masks unlike you spreaders. | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all" Did not know that "draconian laws" were an antidote to Corona Virus. Think the Police would be well advised to keep the public on their side and not antagonise people. Even today policing in Britain is by the consent of the public. We are not China... | |||
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"I've no problem dog owners walking their dog ... But please Clean the dogs mess up for grate sake ! " Yes, yes, yes,........ | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. " Phew that's ok then. | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. Phew that's ok then. " well yes and no. Not everyone has a park on their doorstep or somewhere nice to walk around. I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets " I'm lucky and back on to fields and the back end of a country park x | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets " Hope you don't drive there | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets I'm lucky and back on to fields and the back end of a country park x " You're one of the lucky ones aren't you, some don't have that luxury and can't now By the way people will be reporting people for walking the dogs | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets Hope you don't drive there" just taking the dog out again | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets I'm lucky and back on to fields and the back end of a country park x You're one of the lucky ones aren't you, some don't have that luxury and can't now By the way people will be reporting people for walking the dogs" you are allowed to walk the dog. What they have said is that if you can.. try to make it part of your exercise. And possibly get individual members of the family to take the dog out. IF NOT you are still allowed to walk the dog. People reporting people for walking dogs seriously need to have a word with themselves | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. Phew that's ok then. well yes and no. Not everyone has a park on their doorstep or somewhere nice to walk around. I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. " Neither do I..... | |||
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"I find just walking down the road with just a lead with a secret wire in it in comedy fashion so it looks like I am walking an invisible dog, keep calling its name and throwing invisible tennis balls, usually ensures social distancing people give you lots of room, especially if I wear my moose hat and the jumper my nana knitted me with a giant fluffy kitten on it." haha sorry mental image in my head is now hilarious | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. Phew that's ok then. well yes and no. Not everyone has a park on their doorstep or somewhere nice to walk around. I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Neither do I....." Look at like this, this virus is transmitted by people and the movement of people. The less you move from your corner the better. There is also the additional risk of an RTA when you use a car. Off course people are going want make exceptions for their own circumstances. | |||
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"Dogs can't spread it and are immune to the virus it's cats and humans that can spread it, Just proves about all scare mongering and how ignorant folk are on the virus and the laws what the police can and cant do ! FACT roves" cats dont get and spread it either | |||
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"Dogs can't spread it and are immune to the virus it's cats and humans that can spread it, Just proves about all scare mongering and how ignorant folk are on the virus and the laws what the police can and cant do ! FACT roves cats dont get and spread it either " Did you read the rest of it? | |||
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"Dogs can't spread it and are immune to the virus it's cats and humans that can spread it, Just proves about all scare mongering and how ignorant folk are on the virus and the laws what the police can and cant do ! FACT roves cats dont get and spread it either Did you read the rest of it?" yes but as with most things like people saying dog walking is illegal.. people tend to only read the start. So before people go on and on I thought I would point out that cats dont. In fact animals are not spreading this version of the virus at all. | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets Hope you don't drive there" yes as I said previously I do drive there.1hr walk with my dogs away from everyone else.total bliss. | |||
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"Oh dear. Hope no one grasses you up and you get named and shamed on Facebook and reported to the police Good luck " Far more important things for people to be worrying about.. I'm sure people have better things to do with their time rather than moaning at people for walking their dogs. People are in their cars.. not mixing with other people. Hardly a risk of spreading it . | |||
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"Oh dear. Hope no one grasses you up and you get named and shamed on Facebook and reported to the police Good luck Far more important things for people to be worrying about.. I'm sure people have better things to do with their time rather than moaning at people for walking their dogs. People are in their cars.. not mixing with other people. Hardly a risk of spreading it . " People are bored at home. I’m sure some neighbours with ill perceived grudges are going to have a field day. | |||
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"Oh dear. Hope no one grasses you up and you get named and shamed on Facebook and reported to the police Good luck Far more important things for people to be worrying about.. I'm sure people have better things to do with their time rather than moaning at people for walking their dogs. People are in their cars.. not mixing with other people. Hardly a risk of spreading it . People are bored at home. I’m sure some neighbours with ill perceived grudges are going to have a field day. " of that I have no doubt .. but really people should give their heads a wobble | |||
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"Oh dear. Hope no one grasses you up and you get named and shamed on Facebook and reported to the police Good luck Far more important things for people to be worrying about.. I'm sure people have better things to do with their time rather than moaning at people for walking their dogs. People are in their cars.. not mixing with other people. Hardly a risk of spreading it . People are bored at home. I’m sure some neighbours with ill perceived grudges are going to have a field day. of that I have no doubt .. but really people should give their heads a wobble " This is the new way.Buckle up If you don't conform you will be named and shamed and reported to the police.Just like the poor family out having a picnic. | |||
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"I was a little dumbfounded by the news of that today. As a NHS worker when not in work I am trying to stay away from others- much further away than the 2 metres (apart from when delivering care packages) So I had chosen to drive my dog for his walk away to a empty field just a 10 min drive away where we will not be in contact with anyone else at all this to me was the safest option and meant my dog could run. If I have to exercise him nearer home on a lead he won't be getting enough exercise on one walk and I have more chance of being close to others " This is far too sensible to even be considered real ! Why does it matter if you get in your own car with your own dog and drive 10 minutes to walk the dog ? where I live there are loads of people walking their dogs along the canal towpath, surely driving to a more remote common or moor would make more sense. I have not read the article, nor do I have a dog but really, some people need to think before they try to impose rules that make no sense. We all know what situation we are in (or should do by now). | |||
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"I was a little dumbfounded by the news of that today. As a NHS worker when not in work I am trying to stay away from others- much further away than the 2 metres (apart from when delivering care packages) So I had chosen to drive my dog for his walk away to a empty field just a 10 min drive away where we will not be in contact with anyone else at all this to me was the safest option and meant my dog could run. If I have to exercise him nearer home on a lead he won't be getting enough exercise on one walk and I have more chance of being close to others This is far too sensible to even be considered real ! Why does it matter if you get in your own car with your own dog and drive 10 minutes to walk the dog ? where I live there are loads of people walking their dogs along the canal towpath, surely driving to a more remote common or moor would make more sense. I have not read the article, nor do I have a dog but really, some people need to think before they try to impose rules that make no sense. We all know what situation we are in (or should do by now)." I disagree with this new rule as it doesnt really make sense. But i believe it to be somthing to do with uneccesasy driving because eventually you will need to go garage and get petrol. Theres only roads by me and my dog needs a good run on a field in the park. | |||
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"Oh dear. Hope no one grasses you up and you get named and shamed on Facebook and reported to the police Good luck Far more important things for people to be worrying about.. I'm sure people have better things to do with their time rather than moaning at people for walking their dogs. People are in their cars.. not mixing with other people. Hardly a risk of spreading it . People are bored at home. I’m sure some neighbours with ill perceived grudges are going to have a field day. of that I have no doubt .. but really people should give their heads a wobble This is the new way.Buckle up If you don't conform you will be named and shamed and reported to the police.Just like the poor family out having a picnic." it is conforming. You are allowed to walk your dog .. | |||
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"Keep telling yourselves that it's better to drive for 10 minutes to somewhere quiet to walk your dog, go for a run etc and they will eventually put in a stricter lockdown as there will be so many people with what they see as a reasonable excuse for going for a drive." Absolutely a fair point and just looked online to clarify and we will be forthwith only be locally walking which we did today.. | |||
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"Its local police enforcing this is certain places... not the actual government guidelines. You can drive to get to somewhere. What they are saying is.. you cant drive miles from home to walk your dog. " Don't think they have enough manpower to put a road block at the end of every street.!! | |||
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"Amazing how they bring in punitive measures for dog walkers when only a few weeks ago they allowed the Cheltenham festival to go ahead, because someone walking a dog is such a threat l " | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. " This may have already been answered, but what's the issue with this? If you live in a busy town, getting in a car and going out to the country where there's no one nearby to infect or infect you has to be better than walking from your house around a neighborhood with other people walking around it, passing you close by on narrow pavements. They think it's beneficial to get out and exercise but in cities there's not many places to go walk without being near other people out walking. | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame" I just watched loads of people on telly out chatting and clapping.....isnt that agaisnt what we are all being advised not to do.....? | |||
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"so if they walking the dog by themselves. and meet no one. who are they giving the virus too?" | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame" did you tell them what you thought of them | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them " Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it. | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it. " but maybe you should of told the disgusting selfish dog walkers what you thought maybe then they’d get the message | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame" if they live in the same house then that's perfectly fine | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it." I bet you feel so much better for doing that.. I would never report anyone or "name and shame them", just wouldn't do it.. Live and let live... | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it. I bet you feel so much better for doing that.. I would never report anyone or "name and shame them", just wouldn't do it.. Live and let live..." I'm fucking with you. There was actually 7 and a dog. I'm just demonstrating where we are at now! People are checking how far they can walk their dog FFS. Yes allowed /no not allowed Reminding people where we are heading. And yes just like here and all over facebook naming and shaming is the new social norm and I wouldn't steep so fucking low. It started with the club goers but I wasn't a club goer Then it was the dog walker. People are naming and shaming and reporting groups of three on a bench. People fucking scare me not the virus | |||
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"Amazing how they bring in punitive measures for dog walkers when only a few weeks ago they allowed the Cheltenham festival to go ahead, because someone walking a dog is such a threat l " Except that they haven't!! | |||
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"I've just googled it.. firstly they havent banned it. What they are saying is people cant drive out to take the dog somewhere for a walk.... they also are saying the same to people looking to drive somewhere to exercise. Phew that's ok then. well yes and no. Not everyone has a park on their doorstep or somewhere nice to walk around. I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue " Seriously... | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it. I bet you feel so much better for doing that.. I would never report anyone or "name and shame them", just wouldn't do it.. Live and let live... I'm fucking with you. There was actually 7 and a dog. I'm just demonstrating where we are at now! People are checking how far they can walk their dog FFS. Yes allowed /no not allowed Reminding people where we are heading. And yes just like here and all over facebook naming and shaming is the new social norm and I wouldn't steep so fucking low. It started with the club goers but I wasn't a club goer Then it was the dog walker. People are naming and shaming and reporting groups of three on a bench. People fucking scare me not the virus " indeed. | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame did you tell them what you thought of them Did my good Samaritan bit and spread the news on Facebook. People loved me for it. I bet you feel so much better for doing that.. I would never report anyone or "name and shame them", just wouldn't do it.. Live and let live... I'm fucking with you. There was actually 7 and a dog. I'm just demonstrating where we are at now! People are checking how far they can walk their dog FFS. Yes allowed /no not allowed Reminding people where we are heading. And yes just like here and all over facebook naming and shaming is the new social norm and I wouldn't steep so fucking low. It started with the club goers but I wasn't a club goer Then it was the dog walker. People are naming and shaming and reporting groups of three on a bench. People fucking scare me not the virus " | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets I'm lucky and back on to fields and the back end of a country park x You're one of the lucky ones aren't you, some don't have that luxury and can't now By the way people will be reporting people for walking the dogs you are allowed to walk the dog. What they have said is that if you can.. try to make it part of your exercise. And possibly get individual members of the family to take the dog out. IF NOT you are still allowed to walk the dog. People reporting people for walking dogs seriously need to have a word with themselves " Dogs in big families loving it getting several walks a day | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets Hope you don't drive thereyes as I said previously I do drive there.1hr walk with my dogs away from everyone else.total bliss. " You aren't allowed to do that. Please show respect and thknk of other people. | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame if they live in the same house then that's perfectly fine " No more than 2 people are allowed out together. | |||
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"That should do it. The dirty spreaders." over your age limit but had to tell you your photos have brightend my day up x | |||
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"I know I do to a nature trail so that we are alone and not likely to be in contact with anyone. Much better than walking the streets Hope you don't drive thereyes as I said previously I do drive there.1hr walk with my dogs away from everyone else.total bliss. You aren't allowed to do that. Please show respect and thknk of other people." I am...that's why i drive there so I'm not in contact with anyone. | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all" Idiotic comment. More likely to get it in a supermarket. | |||
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"I just saw a group of 6 people walking their dog. Disgusting and selfish. They have no shame if they live in the same house then that's perfectly fine No more than 2 people are allowed out together." unless they are a family unit from the same house. | |||
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"Friends of ours asked a Police officer about this and her reply was that it was OK to travel a shirt distance to then dog walk.. " A shirt distance isn’t very far, even from cuff to cuff. | |||
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"The thread title and opening post reads like a daily mail headline " It was actually from an ITV headline "Police ban driving anywhere to walk your dog or exercise" Seemed a bit long | |||
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"I couldn't think of anything more boring than walking a dog in a park everyday and watching it shit." | |||
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"Friends of ours asked a Police officer about this and her reply was that it was OK to travel a shirt distance to then dog walk.. A shirt distance isn’t very far, even from cuff to cuff." At least she didn't get her collar felt.. | |||
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"so if they walking the dog by themselves. and meet no one. who are they giving the virus too?" My guess woukd be no one? | |||
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"Not allowed to take your dog out in the car to an open space to git it a run but you can go shopping in a confined space touch trolleys and basket handles speed the virus also I see people out on there push bike everywhere so what a load of crap. " Local supermarket had best part of 200 people stood outside and queueing (resembles a waiting line for alton towers ) and people are moaning about dog walkers.....and people passing briefly.... I know which id prefer....quick passing of people in fresh air or stood in a car park with an amount of people hardly moving... | |||
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"So much dissent on this thread. Measures like this are not dreamt up just for a laugh! The reasoning is to prevent large amounts of people at beauty spots and country parks like last weekend. Yeah, of course there are those her are responsible and go somewhere quiet, but this is a one size fits all time, for the greater good, just do as you're told" And what have we been told exactly to do.... if you read the full goverment spec...... If you can work from home then do......if you cant then go to work as the economy has to keep tirning ....unless you work in specific catergorys .....i.e ....resturants, pubs, clubs, theatres...... | |||
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"So much dissent on this thread. Measures like this are not dreamt up just for a laugh! The reasoning is to prevent large amounts of people at beauty spots and country parks like last weekend. Yeah, of course there are those her are responsible and go somewhere quiet, but this is a one size fits all time, for the greater good, just do as you're told And what have we been told exactly to do.... if you read the full goverment spec...... If you can work from home then do......if you cant then go to work as the economy has to keep tirning ....unless you work in specific catergorys .....i.e ....resturants, pubs, clubs, theatres...... " With regard to this thread, the instruction is to excercise and walk your dog from your home, NOT travel to a location to fo it. I think that's pretty clear, don't you?? | |||
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"So much dissent on this thread. Measures like this are not dreamt up just for a laugh! The reasoning is to prevent large amounts of people at beauty spots and country parks like last weekend. Yeah, of course there are those her are responsible and go somewhere quiet, but this is a one size fits all time, for the greater good, just do as you're told And what have we been told exactly to do.... if you read the full goverment spec...... If you can work from home then do......if you cant then go to work as the economy has to keep tirning ....unless you work in specific catergorys .....i.e ....resturants, pubs, clubs, theatres...... With regard to this thread, the instruction is to excercise and walk your dog from your home, NOT travel to a location to fo it. I think that's pretty clear, don't you?? " Its clear no large numbers of people in one place.......if you were to go and look at any reasonable size supermarket car park right now.....thats exactly what youll find | |||
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"I’ve noticed that the police are still going out in twos and are sat in the same vehicles are they immune or have they all been tested" They work in pairs for safety, putting themselves at risk yo carry on doing thier jobs and protect the community. The attitudes on this thread are pretty odd, and Ivm pretty sure most of those who are complaining and whinging will also have been making themselves feel proud by giving a round of applause to the NHS. We'll do your part too, follow the guidance and shut up!! | |||
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"I’ve noticed that the police are still going out in twos and are sat in the same vehicles are they immune or have they all been tested They work in pairs for safety, putting themselves at risk yo carry on doing thier jobs and protect the community. The attitudes on this thread are pretty odd, and Ivm pretty sure most of those who are complaining and whinging will also have been making themselves feel proud by giving a round of applause to the NHS. We'll do your part too, follow the guidance and shut up!!" shut up ? | |||
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"I’ve noticed that the police are still going out in twos and are sat in the same vehicles are they immune or have they all been tested They work in pairs for safety, putting themselves at risk yo carry on doing thier jobs and protect the community. The attitudes on this thread are pretty odd, and Ivm pretty sure most of those who are complaining and whinging will also have been making themselves feel proud by giving a round of applause to the NHS. We'll do your part too, follow the guidance and shut up!! shut up ?" Yes. I'm sorry if my language is a little harsh, but if you think "clap for the NHS" is tbe limit of your responsibility in this, that any of the measures put in place to fight the spread of this virus shouldn't apply to you, or that the emergency services that are putting themselves at risk to enforce those measures are to be pilloried, then yes, shut up, you are the problem | |||
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"Apparently cats can now catch the virus so are people now going to isolate cats and stop them shitting in other peoples gardens ." They cant catch it. It's fake news | |||
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"Laughable . It's the tossers that clear the shelves in shops in there hundreds pushing each other out of the way that are the problem . What the fuck have toilet rolls got to do with the virus ffs.i really cant get my head round that one .I live close to aldi and even now the car park is full and idiots still cant see how fast the virus is travelling .dog walkers to blame ffs get real people." Apparantly cat owners too as well now. There's some scaremongering idiots around at the moment. | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you?" But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. | |||
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"I really can't see how a person or members of the same household, getting in their own car to go for a walk somewhere that is as far away as reasonably possible from other people could possibly be a major risk of spreading the virus. In fact I think they'd be far more likely to spread the virus walking around their more crowded local neighbourhood, whether they have a dog with them or not. Yes I guess it's possible they could have an RTA which would mean that responders may have to called out and there's an increased risk of spread then but they could equally have an accident at home that might require responders to attend. And I can't see that going the filling station once a fortnight or month is any more risky than going to the supermarket for food; probably a lot less. I think we should all concentrate are efforts on hand hygiene and social distancing and stop worrying ourselves about where people are walking, how they're getting there or how long they spend doing it. " It's to stop large numbers of people gathering at certain locations. You did see the pictures over the weekend of hundreds of cars at local beauty spots? The guy driving to a forest in the middle of nowhere isn't doing any harm, but is unfortunately collateral damage, but a small price to pay to save lives is it not? | |||
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"The trouble is some people are stupid ! like many things in life the government are trying to deal with those stupid people who think a day out in Snowdonia or at the seaside is a good idea at the moment; as well as trying to allow the more reasonable people to do sensible things. OMG I am sounding as if I am a tory or a Boris fan …. I must be ill. my car moves now for one reason to go to work, which I would not do if I didn't have to ! shopping happens in my lunch hour or after work to save an extra trip on days I am not working. anti tory I may be, stupid I am not ! (yeh I know some of you blues think the two things are synonymous ) " Exactly this, and I'm a socialist! | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you? But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. " Are your figures from ROSPA? They claim that more than two million of them are children under 15, and there are varied figures on how many are made up from the older generation through falls where they have difficulty looking after themselves. Generally these aren't going to be the ones sat behind the wheel so the statistics being compared isn't really balanced. People being in their homes, keeping an eye on their kids and teaching them about safety and also checking up on older family members could bring those figures down and help the NHS even further. It's got to be more helpful than clapping on the doorstep. | |||
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"I really can't see how a person or members of the same household, getting in their own car to go for a walk somewhere that is as far away as reasonably possible from other people could possibly be a major risk of spreading the virus. In fact I think they'd be far more likely to spread the virus walking around their more crowded local neighbourhood, whether they have a dog with them or not. Yes I guess it's possible they could have an RTA which would mean that responders may have to called out and there's an increased risk of spread then but they could equally have an accident at home that might require responders to attend. And I can't see that going the filling station once a fortnight or month is any more risky than going to the supermarket for food; probably a lot less. I think we should all concentrate are efforts on hand hygiene and social distancing and stop worrying ourselves about where people are walking, how they're getting there or how long they spend doing it. It's to stop large numbers of people gathering at certain locations. You did see the pictures over the weekend of hundreds of cars at local beauty spots? The guy driving to a forest in the middle of nowhere isn't doing any harm, but is unfortunately collateral damage, but a small price to pay to save lives is it not? " If I thought it would actually save even one life then it might be worth it but as I believe that both the walkers, their dogs and other people around are more safe if they are spread out as much as possible, I actually believe that this banning of people being allowed to walk in deserted countryside and forcing them to only walk in crowded towns, cities and urban parks is actually far more likely to increase spread and with it death than not. | |||
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"I really can't see how a person or members of the same household, getting in their own car to go for a walk somewhere that is as far away as reasonably possible from other people could possibly be a major risk of spreading the virus. In fact I think they'd be far more likely to spread the virus walking around their more crowded local neighbourhood, whether they have a dog with them or not. Yes I guess it's possible they could have an RTA which would mean that responders may have to called out and there's an increased risk of spread then but they could equally have an accident at home that might require responders to attend. And I can't see that going the filling station once a fortnight or month is any more risky than going to the supermarket for food; probably a lot less. I think we should all concentrate are efforts on hand hygiene and social distancing and stop worrying ourselves about where people are walking, how they're getting there or how long they spend doing it. It's to stop large numbers of people gathering at certain locations. You did see the pictures over the weekend of hundreds of cars at local beauty spots? The guy driving to a forest in the middle of nowhere isn't doing any harm, but is unfortunately collateral damage, but a small price to pay to save lives is it not? If I thought it would actually save even one life then it might be worth it but as I believe that both the walkers, their dogs and other people around are more safe if they are spread out as much as possible, I actually believe that this banning of people being allowed to walk in deserted countryside and forcing them to only walk in crowded towns, cities and urban parks is actually far more likely to increase spread and with it death than not. " I’m not sure on this but if the virus stays on clothing & people does it stay on fur? Person A drives to field 20 miles away but is infected Person B lives next to field but whole area is not infected for 15 miles around field. Person A dog has a good run around then owner & dog leave. Person B walks dog in same field, smells where dog A has scented, had a good rummage as dogs do. Owner pets dog, contracts virus from fur, passes it around there otherwise uninflected area. Isn’t this why we’re socially distancing? Don’t get me started on cats! | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you? But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. Are your figures from ROSPA? They claim that more than two million of them are children under 15, and there are varied figures on how many are made up from the older generation through falls where they have difficulty looking after themselves. Generally these aren't going to be the ones sat behind the wheel so the statistics being compared isn't really balanced. People being in their homes, keeping an eye on their kids and teaching them about safety and also checking up on older family members could bring those figures down and help the NHS even further. It's got to be more helpful than clapping on the doorstep. " I agree and the whole comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I don't really think that stopping people isolating at home would help anything. But I also think things should only be banned or prohibited on the real risk of what they are doing, not some hypothetical risk of what might happen in an unlikely worst case scenario. In that regard, as I've said else were, I don't believe that people getting in their own cars to take a quiet walk as far away from other as is reasonably possible is a particular high spread risk, and that it's probably less of a risk than taking a walk around a more crowded neighbourhood of park, whether they actually have a dog with them or not. | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you? But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. Are your figures from ROSPA? They claim that more than two million of them are children under 15, and there are varied figures on how many are made up from the older generation through falls where they have difficulty looking after themselves. Generally these aren't going to be the ones sat behind the wheel so the statistics being compared isn't really balanced. People being in their homes, keeping an eye on their kids and teaching them about safety and also checking up on older family members could bring those figures down and help the NHS even further. It's got to be more helpful than clapping on the doorstep. I agree and the whole comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I don't really think that stopping people isolating at home would help anything. But I also think things should only be banned or prohibited on the real risk of what they are doing, not some hypothetical risk of what might happen in an unlikely worst case scenario. In that regard, as I've said else were, I don't believe that people getting in their own cars to take a quiet walk as far away from other as is reasonably possible is a particular high spread risk, and that it's probably less of a risk than taking a walk around a more crowded neighbourhood of park, whether they actually have a dog with them or not. " Yes, some people do that, other people go to very popular spots, where there ends up being a lot of other people doing the same! This is in direct response to the scenes all over the news of crowds in countdy parks and cars jamming roads. Like I said, the responsible guy going to the middle of nowhere is going to be collateral damage, but a small price yo par I think. And yes, I'm a dog owner | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you? But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. Are your figures from ROSPA? They claim that more than two million of them are children under 15, and there are varied figures on how many are made up from the older generation through falls where they have difficulty looking after themselves. Generally these aren't going to be the ones sat behind the wheel so the statistics being compared isn't really balanced. People being in their homes, keeping an eye on their kids and teaching them about safety and also checking up on older family members could bring those figures down and help the NHS even further. It's got to be more helpful than clapping on the doorstep. I agree and the whole comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I don't really think that stopping people isolating at home would help anything. But I also think things should only be banned or prohibited on the real risk of what they are doing, not some hypothetical risk of what might happen in an unlikely worst case scenario. In that regard, as I've said else were, I don't believe that people getting in their own cars to take a quiet walk as far away from other as is reasonably possible is a particular high spread risk, and that it's probably less of a risk than taking a walk around a more crowded neighbourhood of park, whether they actually have a dog with them or not. Yes, some people do that, other people go to very popular spots, where there ends up being a lot of other people doing the same! This is in direct response to the scenes all over the news of crowds in countdy parks and cars jamming roads. Like I said, the responsible guy going to the middle of nowhere is going to be collateral damage, but a small price yo par I think. And yes, I'm a dog owner" Same here, and as much as I'd love to take the pooch to our usual walking spots, I'm happy to compromise in the meantime if it helps the people who need us off of the road. Less traffic helps the emergency services and key workers get to where they "NEED" to be. Someone driving around just to walk about is the equivalent to driving to the gym and then walking on a treadmill. If you live somewhere built up, there will still be quieter times of the day when there will be less people. I spoke to a guy the other day who is boarding 3 dogs for his NHS friends, so they don't have to fret about the long hours that they're now being asked to do. On the flip side, how many pets are thrilled to have their owners around a lot more these days. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. " Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! | |||
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"According to the Department of Transport, in 2018 there was 25,511 serious road traffic accidents, resulting in 1784 deaths. Maybe the reason they are trying to keep people of off the road is to alleviate the NHS of around 2000 casualties each month By all means, go for a drive, but if you end up in an accident, do you promise you won't ask the NHS to help you? But almost 6,000 people die in home accidents and 2.7million visit their local accident and emergency departments seeking help. Maybe on the basis of relieving the burden on the NHS we should ban people from isolating in their own homes too. Are your figures from ROSPA? They claim that more than two million of them are children under 15, and there are varied figures on how many are made up from the older generation through falls where they have difficulty looking after themselves. Generally these aren't going to be the ones sat behind the wheel so the statistics being compared isn't really balanced. People being in their homes, keeping an eye on their kids and teaching them about safety and also checking up on older family members could bring those figures down and help the NHS even further. It's got to be more helpful than clapping on the doorstep. I agree and the whole comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I don't really think that stopping people isolating at home would help anything. But I also think things should only be banned or prohibited on the real risk of what they are doing, not some hypothetical risk of what might happen in an unlikely worst case scenario. In that regard, as I've said else were, I don't believe that people getting in their own cars to take a quiet walk as far away from other as is reasonably possible is a particular high spread risk, and that it's probably less of a risk than taking a walk around a more crowded neighbourhood of park, whether they actually have a dog with them or not. Yes, some people do that, other people go to very popular spots, where there ends up being a lot of other people doing the same! This is in direct response to the scenes all over the news of crowds in countdy parks and cars jamming roads. Like I said, the responsible guy going to the middle of nowhere is going to be collateral damage, but a small price yo par I think. And yes, I'm a dog owner" I don't think anyonw deliberately put theirs or anyone elses lives at risk last weekend. The messaging up until Monday on outdoor gatherings was unclear. Only the week before people were being told that gathering in groups or 10s of 1000s at sporting events was safer than a few 10s gathering in an indoor pub to watch it on TV. If I'd gone out to the park last weekend and seen other people wondering around it I wouldn't have been too worried on the advice I had at the time. If a went now and there were more than a few dozen well spaced out I would definitely turn around and go back home. People aren't suicidal. If you give them the right information most will make the right choices. If the government and the authorities want the good will of the people, which they do need to make this work, then they most not force people to do things that are clearly more dangerous for them (such as having to walk in a crowded neighbourhood or park) than other alternatives (such walking in the empty countryside). | |||
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"The less cars on the road less car crashes and in a nice day dog walking hot spots get 100s off people " Not as many as tescos car park currently have and all stood in nice lines........360 degrees of germs......if your unfortunate enough to be in one of the middle lines........ | |||
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"That should do it. The dirty spreaders." Where did you find out such a nonsensical theory. Dogwalking is not, never has been and never will be banned. Your wilfulness to poop a party is admirable. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? " I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? " I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? " Let's look at this sensibly. You have to live somewhere be it a house, flat, boat, camper van. So you can't totally stop people from having accidents in the home but if you stop people driving you have removed the chance of people having an accident in their cars or on their motorcycle. You have to eat, so you have to shop, home delivery is very difficult to arrange at the moment, so you have to go to the supermarket or shops, most are putting a limit on the number of people in their store and are asking people to observe the 2 meter rule. If you go out in your car, you need fuel, you could also break down or get a puncture which then causes unnecessary interaction. You should go out as little as possible whether it's walking, shopping etc. Obviously I understand that Dave the forklift truck driver has an argument against every reason to do as he is asked and knows better than every expert and scientist on the plant. Exactly the same way as he should be running the English football team even though the last exercise he did was at school 35 years ago. It's simple, follow the rules or suffer the consequences... | |||
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"Dog walkers spreading the virus. Shame on them. Glad more Draconian laws are being introduced to save us all" I suspect my dog is much more cleaner than you and I am at much less risk due to my location than the majority who live in towns and cities although having 3 acres of Garden means the dog can run as free as he wishes | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good." You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not." | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not." Because as could be seen last weekend you are not the only one driving there. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not. Because as could be seen last weekend you are not the only one driving there." If there are more people there than you thought there would be you can simply turn around and either go home or go somewhere else. The whole point of these rules is to implement social distancing not to implement personal immobility. Everyone who seems to think that forcing people to walk in a place where they are putting themselves and everyone else at easily 100 times more risk than if they walked somewhere where there is few or no people needs to give their head a wobble. Your trying to force people to put their's and other people's lives at risk. We should be doing everything we can to ensure people stay as far apart from each over as possible. Getting in your own car to then walk in the empty countryside rather than glibly walking around a more crowded neighborhood or park is definitely social distancing and therefore the right thing to do. The police should not be putting their's and other people's lives at risk trying to stop it. | |||
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"Not a problem, with all these people that know better the government will just put in a tougher lockdown. An Italian woman I work with says that where her parents live, your exercise area is 30 meters either side of their front door. If you go out you have to prove where you are going, if you have been shopping they ask to see the receipt and if you have bought say one loaf of bread you get fined as they class it as an unnecessary journey." But sure he'll just explain to the government why they're wrong, they'll immediately realise just how stupid they've been, put him in charge and we'll all live happily ever after.. | |||
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"But they don’t turn around as could be seen last weekend., thus diverting police officers Unfortunately they have to make rules the majority not just you." Last weekend the messaging was unclear. As I've said previously on this thread, only the week before people were being told that it was safer to go to outdoor sporting events with 10s of 1000s of people than to watch the same event in an indoor pub with only 10s of people there. It's no surprise that people came to the conclusion that even quite large outdoor gatherings was probably quite safe. If I had gone to a park last weekend and seen quite a few people, given the advice and messaging then, I wouldn't have been too worried. However, with the advice and information we now have, I would turn around and go home. This isn't about mass punishing the population because the government was unclear in its advice last weekend and even if it was it would seem to me a rather harsh and ridiculous punishment to force people to do something that was over 100 times more risky to themselves and others than what they actually want to do. Go and take another look at those numbers. For every extra person in any place you end up being in you double the risk of either catching or passing on the virus. Is that what you want just to teach people a lesson? More people catching this virus and consequently more people dying as a punishment because the government messaging last week was unclear. The maths speaks for itself and clearly shows that the risk of catching or passing on this infection is less the less amount of people there are where ever you are. Stop trying to force people to put their lives and others at risk and let them go to and walk where it's actually safest. It's really as simple as that. | |||
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"Not a problem, with all these people that know better the government will just put in a tougher lockdown. An Italian woman I work with says that where her parents live, your exercise area is 30 meters either side of their front door. If you go out you have to prove where you are going, if you have been shopping they ask to see the receipt and if you have bought say one loaf of bread you get fined as they class it as an unnecessary journey. But sure he'll just explain to the government why they're wrong, they'll immediately realise just how stupid they've been, put him in charge and we'll all live happily ever after.. " Well I wouldn't look to Italy for the solution to this problem as currently they have the lowest success rate in dealing with it in Europe. If you want to know how to deal with this crisis look to South Korea and Taiwan which have been the most successful countries at dealing with this crisis so far. And they've done it without full lockdowns, transport halts or mass limitations on where people can walk. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not. Because as could be seen last weekend you are not the only one driving there. If there are more people there than you thought there would be you can simply turn around and either go home or go somewhere else. The whole point of these rules is to implement social distancing not to implement personal immobility. Everyone who seems to think that forcing people to walk in a place where they are putting themselves and everyone else at easily 100 times more risk than if they walked somewhere where there is few or no people needs to give their head a wobble. Your trying to force people to put their's and other people's lives at risk. We should be doing everything we can to ensure people stay as far apart from each over as possible. Getting in your own car to then walk in the empty countryside rather than glibly walking around a more crowded neighborhood or park is definitely social distancing and therefore the right thing to do. The police should not be putting their's and other people's lives at risk trying to stop it. " well the very fact you think it's OK to get in your car when we are being asked if your journey is absolutely necessary when in all reality it is not proves we do need the police to be there to enforce things. If we have to bring in the army as well then so what.i have both a dog and a car and I wouldn't dream of driving anywhere just so my dog gets to do his shit. Get real. I want us to get out of this mess as soon as we possibly can. This "I don't have to be told anything I can please myself. I know better" attitude has to stop. Perhaps, when this is all over why not go and visit the relatives of someone who has died and say to them you were one of those who thought better and couldn't follow guidelines. See the reaction you'll get then. Stupidity costs lives. Anything anyone can do to reduce deaths is a blessing so stop this utter nonsense Just stay the fuck at home as that new song doing the rounds goes | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not. Because as could be seen last weekend you are not the only one driving there. If there are more people there than you thought there would be you can simply turn around and either go home or go somewhere else. The whole point of these rules is to implement social distancing not to implement personal immobility. Everyone who seems to think that forcing people to walk in a place where they are putting themselves and everyone else at easily 100 times more risk than if they walked somewhere where there is few or no people needs to give their head a wobble. Your trying to force people to put their's and other people's lives at risk. We should be doing everything we can to ensure people stay as far apart from each over as possible. Getting in your own car to then walk in the empty countryside rather than glibly walking around a more crowded neighborhood or park is definitely social distancing and therefore the right thing to do. The police should not be putting their's and other people's lives at risk trying to stop it. well the very fact you think it's OK to get in your car when we are being asked if your journey is absolutely necessary when in all reality it is not proves we do need the police to be there to enforce things. If we have to bring in the army as well then so what.i have both a dog and a car and I wouldn't dream of driving anywhere just so my dog gets to do his shit. Get real. I want us to get out of this mess as soon as we possibly can. This "I don't have to be told anything I can please myself. I know better" attitude has to stop. Perhaps, when this is all over why not go and visit the relatives of someone who has died and say to them you were one of those who thought better and couldn't follow guidelines. See the reaction you'll get then. Stupidity costs lives. Anything anyone can do to reduce deaths is a blessing so stop this utter nonsense Just stay the fuck at home as that new song doing the rounds goes " Firstly I haven't been out in my car anywhere myself for over two weeks except to the shops to buy food so get of your high horse. I also have at no point said that I or anyone should be able to do as they please and I will say now people should obey social distancing rules. What I am questioning is whether not being allowed to travel to walk somewhere where it's probably over 100 times safer for you to walk is actually a rule (the rules actually say you are allowed out to walk and exercise but are silent on whether you can actually travel in your car to do so) and if it is the rule or the police are just treating it as a rule then it's a bad rule because it puts everyone at more risk than they need otherwise to be put at. I notice that no one is questioning the numbers showing the real risks of catching and spreading this virus if you take your walk in a place where there are only 8 other people compared to none or 1. | |||
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" I dont see why driving to a park to exercise yourself and your pooch is an issue. Respect the law and have some respect for your fellow citizens. The Government are not doing this for the fun of it, they are acting upon expert scientific advice! I haven't seen or heard any expert scientific advice that says it safer to walk in crowded neighbourhoods and parks than it is to walk in the empty countryside. Maybe you could message me a link to that advice? Are you just ignoring all the previous posts explaining this?? "it's not about going to the empty country side, it's about a lot of people going to popular dog walking spots, encountering people from other areas who have traveled there also, who may be carrying the virus and possibly carrying it back with them! Is that so difficult to grasp?? And if a blanket ban makes easier to police then so be it. Can you really not get your head around that or are you just trolling?? I'm not ignoring anything. I've addressed the points raised on RTAs (more accidents happen in the home than on the roads), I've addressed the issue of fuelling (far less risk of spreading than a trip to the supermarket) and I've addressed the issue of loads of people turning up to the same remote place to walk (if it's more crowded than you thought turn around and go home). However you seem to be totally ignoring and failing to answer my point so I'll ask you directly. How is it more dangerous to walk somewhere where there is nobody (the empty countryside) than anywhere where there is somebody (a crowded neighbourhood or park)? I could explain this again, but that would be fairly pointless. You are determined to be a contrarian fir whatever reason and not playing anymore. But this is one of the measures put in place to keep people from moving around and to save lives. Be a responsible member of society and obey the rules just for a few weeks, for the greater good. You couldn't explain again because you've not even explained once. You've given some unlikely scenarios as to what could happen if everything that could possibly go wrong does go wrong as an excuse for forcing people to do something that is clearly and definitely more dangerous than the thing they want to do. Here's the numbers for you. If go for a walk anywhere where there is nobody there is zero chances of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there is 1 other person there is a chance of you either spreading the virus or catching it. If you go for a walk where there are 2 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus is 2 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 3 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 4 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 4 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 8 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 5 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 16 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 6 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 32 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 7 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 64 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. If you go for a walk where there are 8 other people the chance of you spreading or catching the virus 128 times what it would be if there was only 1 other person there. To be clear. If you go for a walk somewhere where there are only 8 other people you are over 100 times more likely to spread or catch the virus than if you walk somewhere where there is only one other person, and infinitely more likely than if you walk somewhere where there is nobody. These numbers far out weigh any possible risk from a breakdown, accident or fortnightly visit to a fuel station. Now, please, tell me again how forcing people to walk in a places where they are in much higher risk of spreading or catching the virus is better and safer than allowing then to walk in places where there is little or no risk; regardless how they get there or whether they have a dog or not. Because as could be seen last weekend you are not the only one driving there. If there are more people there than you thought there would be you can simply turn around and either go home or go somewhere else. The whole point of these rules is to implement social distancing not to implement personal immobility. Everyone who seems to think that forcing people to walk in a place where they are putting themselves and everyone else at easily 100 times more risk than if they walked somewhere where there is few or no people needs to give their head a wobble. Your trying to force people to put their's and other people's lives at risk. We should be doing everything we can to ensure people stay as far apart from each over as possible. Getting in your own car to then walk in the empty countryside rather than glibly walking around a more crowded neighborhood or park is definitely social distancing and therefore the right thing to do. The police should not be putting their's and other people's lives at risk trying to stop it. well the very fact you think it's OK to get in your car when we are being asked if your journey is absolutely necessary when in all reality it is not proves we do need the police to be there to enforce things. If we have to bring in the army as well then so what.i have both a dog and a car and I wouldn't dream of driving anywhere just so my dog gets to do his shit. Get real. I want us to get out of this mess as soon as we possibly can. This "I don't have to be told anything I can please myself. I know better" attitude has to stop. Perhaps, when this is all over why not go and visit the relatives of someone who has died and say to them you were one of those who thought better and couldn't follow guidelines. See the reaction you'll get then. Stupidity costs lives. Anything anyone can do to reduce deaths is a blessing so stop this utter nonsense Just stay the fuck at home as that new song doing the rounds goes Firstly I haven't been out in my car anywhere myself for over two weeks except to the shops to buy food so get of your high horse. I also have at no point said that I or anyone should be able to do as they please and I will say now people should obey social distancing rules. What I am questioning is whether not being allowed to travel to walk somewhere where it's probably over 100 times safer for you to walk is actually a rule (the rules actually say you are allowed out to walk and exercise but are silent on whether you can actually travel in your car to do so) and if it is the rule or the police are just treating it as a rule then it's a bad rule because it puts everyone at more risk than they need otherwise to be put at. I notice that no one is questioning the numbers showing the real risks of catching and spreading this virus if you take your walk in a place where there are only 8 other people compared to none or 1. " Thought I would include a notice from the Widnes police Twitter updates, dated 27th March. "We are asking for the gates to be closed at Pickerings Pasture so as to reduce the unnecessary travel. For exercise or dog walking pls. do this from your HOME address. It is not necessary to travel by vehicle when you visit such places. Thanks for the understanding & cooperation" This should help you know what your local police force is asking of it's citizens. As this thread will close, you could maybe get in touch with them and ask why they are not taking their jobs seriously. I'm sure they'd love to talk to you and explain their decisions on the advice that they're asking you to co-operate with. Total respect of your data, but at the same time, every time somebody gets in their car and drives somewhere, they are increasing the likelihood of having a car accident. Ultimately, we are being asked to keep ourselves safe, have a bit of common sense and stop the emergency services being overwhelmed. | |||
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