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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You CANNOT have people hanging on a phone for days at no, effing 200,000 to get through to the DWP!

Shout out to all the traders, self employed & the sexy tradesmen of Fab!

UNIVERSAL INCOME NOW, you total fuckers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I quite agree

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated"

I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Be patient.

Getting angry and aggressive helps no one .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Less anger more patience.. i say this as i await the Docs to come test me at home as i am not allowed leave the house xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well"
My sons getting 80% so its working for some guess it takes a bit of time to implement for all.

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham


"I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too. "

If Boris says something that he's not going to do, you can guarantee he will do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.

I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.

Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite)

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated

I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider. "

I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too.

If Boris says something that he's not going to do, you can guarantee he will do it"

Aye man of his word boris.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Universal basic income really only works once all the meanil and cheap labour jobs are being done by robot's since the owner had to pay tax for taking a real person's job.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Damn straight. Hoping they sort it soon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Waiting 6weeks, paying back interim loan no wage,. Just want to keep roof over my head till this is over then will become a loyal citizen again

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Better known as Universal Basic Income, UBI.

Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany do..anyone add the other countries

(parlour game seeing as we are all cooped up )

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield


"As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.

I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.

Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite)"

It’s not just the self employed who submit their returns through the SA302, there are also hundreds of thousands like me who set up

A limited company to be self employed through, we pay minimal salary and take dividends instead so if they base my income on salary it’s £719pm, well below the minimum income/poverty line and nowhere near the 80% upto £2.5k mark, no work, no income , no dividends

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By *outhlondon_guyMan
over a year ago

London

Has UBI been demonstrated to actually work anywhere? I know Finland recently ended their experiment with this, I'm not sure the current exceptional circumstances necessarily justify the longterm implementation of this strategy

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Be patient.

Getting angry and aggressive helps no one .

"

This..

Would add that the people carrying out the service deserve respect and a bit of understanding that at this time they might not want to be in a call centre and might rather be safe with their own would not hurt..

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Tax returns were only done upto tax year 2018 to 2019.

Many of those are small amounts, people with second incomes say. Others were from pensioners with income from savings and investments.

Some Companies will have closed since then, others started up with no returns as yet.

What you earnt in 2018 to 2019 may be totally different from 2019 to present. Some will be up, many will be down.

The Chancellor will make a statement in the daily 5pmish briefing tomorrow. (Thursday)

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated

I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.

I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"

Yes, and this is it, but surely people won't expect it to instant? It has to be processed.

If anyone is struggling it seems the banks are helping people, just mention the virus and they are helping people manage until they are in a better position / get paid out by the government

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.

I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.

Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite)

It’s not just the self employed who submit their returns through the SA302, there are also hundreds of thousands like me who set up

A limited company to be self employed through, we pay minimal salary and take dividends instead so if they base my income on salary it’s £719pm, well below the minimum income/poverty line and nowhere near the 80% upto £2.5k mark, no work, no income , no dividends"

To be fair that is done normally so you pay less tax so I suppose that's the downside of declaring less

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well"

for most people it would be fairly simple to do....

because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..

mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted

the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)

also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

It's critical to get a system that works and is robust in.

There's no point rushing in a system that's going to fail in certain aspects from the onset.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has UBI been demonstrated to actually work anywhere? I know Finland recently ended their experiment with this, I'm not sure the current exceptional circumstances necessarily justify the longterm implementation of this strategy "

Nope!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated

I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.

I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"
Ha ha ha get real

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated

I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.

I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"
Are you for real?

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

Are self employed people claiming 80% of what they actually earn or 80% of what they tell the tax man they earn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only been a few days, so give it chance to happen, Boris is no idiot!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Of course it has . See list of countries above.

Corker article " Kevin McKenna: Don’t give me this mince that we’re in it together"

What TF do the ALL banks think they are doing putting up interest rates by 300%. Had to blink when I read that. Won't happen I reckon, just yet another ghastly "Weatherspoon's" moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are self employed people claiming 80% of what they actually earn or 80% of what they tell the tax man they earn?"

As long as it's targeted at those that really need it, which is probably a large proportion.

I know a couple of self employed I.T. Guys on 100k + who really don't need a bail out

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton


"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well

for most people it would be fairly simple to do....

because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..

mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted

the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)

also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call"
. I can vouch for what Fabio is saying about our colleagues in the DWP lost loads of staff.Where have staff with underlying health issues , caring responsibilities for family over 70 years old or have fallen ill themselves.It’s 7 days self isolation then ring the office manager who will advise what we will do next as it changes day by day as these really are unprecedented times in the DWP.Some could be off for up 12 weeks caring for elderly relatives or their underlying health conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well

for most people it would be fairly simple to do....

because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..

mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted

the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)

also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call. I can vouch for what Fabio is saying about our colleagues in the DWP lost loads of staff.Where have staff with underlying health issues , caring responsibilities for family over 70 years old or have fallen ill themselves.It’s 7 days self isolation then ring the office manager who will advise what we will do next as it changes day by day as these really are unprecedented times in the DWP.Some could be off for up 12 weeks caring for elderly relatives or their underlying health conditions."

Exactly my point

Millions of people now have no income

Many dont have a clue if they will still have a job

The benefit system simply wont cope.

And thats before you consider the health and wellbeing of existing dwp staff.

Basic household income solves alot of problems.

Quite how it could be implemented I dont know.

But I really think that we are looking at civil unrest soon if something isnt done

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It's only been a few days, so give it chance to happen, Boris is no idiot! "

Spits tea out of mouth.

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By *akboyMan
over a year ago

birmingham

UBI is the way to go in general but can you imagine the Tory's putting in Universal Basic Income, even in emergency measures?? If they did,it would be a complete slap in the face which is why they will probably not implement it... it goes against their general government direction

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

This seems like a good measure to me, I've been trying to research it somewhat

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

Calling ppl fuckers is unacceptable.

Systems have to be updated when changes are made. Staff need guidance to use the new info.

There is no magic wand.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.


"Are self employed people claiming 80% of what they actually earn or 80% of what they tell the tax man they earn?"

Self-employed aren't able to claim 80% of anything at the moment. And if they were it's likely to be 80% of the average pre tax profit (taken as an average over the last 3 years).

Obviously that brings extra situations with it, people who are newly self-employed so haven't submitted enough to make an average, people who have had to have time off through illness maternity/paternity etc

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.


"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work

A basic household income is the way to go

Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income

And that wont end well

for most people it would be fairly simple to do....

because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..

mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted

the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)

also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call"

I would expect for the majority of self-employed people, the DWP would have their bank details, as they probably pay tax, national insurance etc out of them.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

UBI implemented now would be a great time to further evaluate it and get the public to understand it more. It could be a faster, simpler undertaking, with the cost of it being kept at a similar level.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Be patient.

Getting angry and aggressive helps no one .

"

This

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"It's only been a few days, so give it chance to happen, Boris is no idiot!

Spits tea out of mouth."

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