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"Well done boris we all needed this " Not everyone is following what hes asking of us though are they! | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this " I'm relieved that there is a time limit to this and it's not as restrictive as it could have been, I'm glad that we are not jumping off the cliff as much as other countries have. | |||
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"I'm relieved that there is a time limit to this and it's not as restrictive as it could have been, I'm glad that we are not jumping off the cliff as much as other countries have." There isn't a time limit. He said "We will look again in three weeks, and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to." There will be further restrictions. | |||
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"I'm relieved that there is a time limit to this and it's not as restrictive as it could have been, I'm glad that we are not jumping off the cliff as much as other countries have. There isn't a time limit. He said "We will look again in three weeks, and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to." There will be further restrictions." Fuck. Always read the whole article, not just the headline  | |||
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"I'm relieved that there is a time limit to this and it's not as restrictive as it could have been, I'm glad that we are not jumping off the cliff as much as other countries have. There isn't a time limit. He said "We will look again in three weeks, and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to." There will be further restrictions." There will be if people flout the rules. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " Hang on! Wouldn't a group of Press and Media personnel be a contradiction of a group of people meeting en-masse & potentially risking exacerbating the virus spread? Just a thought! | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Hang on! Wouldn't a group of Press and Media personnel be a contradiction of a group of people meeting en-masse & potentially risking exacerbating the virus spread? Just a thought!"  | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " Exactly, we had a 2 months heads up from China and in those 2 months the government of the United Kingdom did precisely fuck all to prepare. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " Unbelievable ( and I don’t mean boris) | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this " Agreed | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Hang on! Wouldn't a group of Press and Media personnel be a contradiction of a group of people meeting en-masse & potentially risking exacerbating the virus spread? Just a thought!" He has been avoiding questions from day 1 | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " Correct. He mentioned last week about being conducting the daily briefings but answering questions via video conferencing. Man's a pathological liar, why change now. | |||
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"What's your view, also in construction management but unsure what the message is, all the forums I read says building sites open as normal" What is your employers view? | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " It was an announcement not a press conference. He's been doing that daily and taking a lot of questions from journalists. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. It was an announcement not a press conference. He's been doing that daily and taking a lot of questions from journalists. " Do these include the journalists he tried to ban? | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. It was an announcement not a press conference. He's been doing that daily and taking a lot of questions from journalists. Do these include the journalists he tried to ban?" I have no idea about that but taking everything else out of the equation apart from not putting us on full lockdown earlier I think he's doing a good job. Especially as he is probably extremely worried about his pregnant partner and unborn child. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. It was an announcement not a press conference. He's been doing that daily and taking a lot of questions from journalists. Do these include the journalists he tried to ban? I have no idea about that but taking everything else out of the equation apart from not putting us on full lockdown earlier I think he's doing a good job. Especially as he is probably extremely worried about his pregnant partner and unborn child. " I think he has been an absolute disaster but each to their own | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Hang on! Wouldn't a group of Press and Media personnel be a contradiction of a group of people meeting en-masse & potentially risking exacerbating the virus spread? Just a thought!" | |||
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"Actually I need a good fingering" Maybe stick to the lounge to play please. | |||
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"Boris will not take advice; if he had he would have acted sooner and the restrictions would have be less severe; his 'advice' was always going to be ignored by a lot of people and so will his restrictions. he is an arrogant man who always knows best even when his own advisors are standing at his side cringing at his comments. I am happy to stay in Boris, as long as I get money to pay for food and my food delivered, but since I am not in either your 'Government Cronies club' nor in any of the 'at risk' categories I like everyone else is fucked !" Exactly this. If he acted sooner it wouldn't be this bad. Something some of us have been saying since January. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. It was an announcement not a press conference. He's been doing that daily and taking a lot of questions from journalists. Do these include the journalists he tried to ban? I have no idea about that but taking everything else out of the equation apart from not putting us on full lockdown earlier I think he's doing a good job. Especially as he is probably extremely worried about his pregnant partner and unborn child. I think he has been an absolute disaster but each to their own" If he’d single handedly invented a vaccine and cured all those suffering it wouldn’t have been enough for some. Every day I’m thankful for December’s election and the result it delivered | |||
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"to be fair to boris I think he has conducted himself pretty well. god only knows how corbin would have delt with this. "I know..someone who actually cares about the working people in this country.Someone whose first priority was the nhs. He would be a fucking disaster | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now." We're gonna be in for even more austerity now that the economy is going over the cliff. Someone's gotta pay for all these bailouts and lost productivity. | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now." Some people have got the attention span of a gnat. See that quote from dominic Cummings? | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now. We're gonna be in for even more austerity now that the economy is going over the cliff. Someone's gotta pay for all these bailouts and lost productivity." The priority right now Is not having countless dead Its amazing how many people seem to be more concerned with the economy. | |||
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"I'm relieved that there is a time limit to this and it's not as restrictive as it could have been, I'm glad that we are not jumping off the cliff as much as other countries have. There isn't a time limit. He said "We will look again in three weeks, and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to." There will be further restrictions.There will be if people flout the rules." Exactly. And quite right too. It beggars belief that people whine and object to being asked to act responsibly. Lives depend on their compliance. But a little inconvenience is still too much for some. Pathetic antisocial wretches. | |||
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"I personally think Boris and the government have done a good job and handled this well! Yes more could be done for the self employed.... should of taken an average months earnings from the past 12 months and paid the self employed that, even if it was 80% of their average income it would be better than signing on or stat sick pay! Other than that, I think on the whole it's been managed well. Bearing in mind hes acting on advice from the scientists and medical experts. Just unfortunate we have so many fuckwits that cant follow simple instructions! "Could you describe in any way how this has been handled "well'Im genuinely curious. | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now. We're gonna be in for even more austerity now that the economy is going over the cliff. Someone's gotta pay for all these bailouts and lost productivity. The priority right now Is not having countless dead Its amazing how many people seem to be more concerned with the economy." Yep. Or even a pint or an ice cream on the beach seem to matter more than the lives of others to them. | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now. We're gonna be in for even more austerity now that the economy is going over the cliff. Someone's gotta pay for all these bailouts and lost productivity. The priority right now Is not having countless dead Its amazing how many people seem to be more concerned with the economy. Yep. Or even a pint or an ice cream on the beach seem to matter more than the lives of others to them." Yep | |||
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Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao! | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this Not everyone is following what hes asking of us though are they!" If they had this may have been delayed longer. Was never a great Boris fan but he has stepped up in this crisis.
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"We are very proud of how Boris is handling this. You could see tonight how he felt like saying "I've pledged to pay 80% of your wages yet you imbociles can't even sit your backsides on your sofas for me"." | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!"Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time. One day he said large crowds were ok. The following day the fa suspended all football games. He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed. Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded. 2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed. China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room. Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success? | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this Not everyone is following what hes asking of us though are they! If they had this may have been delayed longer. Was never a great Boris fan but he has stepped up in this crisis.
Shame you will always get pricks who want to turn it into some form of political point scoring "What you mean the ones who are bringing up corbyn? Politics is very much part of this issue. | |||
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"Lots of people slagging off Boris, but can you imagine the cluster fuck corbyn and abbot would of had us in??? I think Boris is doing a good all round job delivered brexit no dealing with another shit storm" Can you provide any you know 'evidence'Corbyn would have done worse The least said about the brexit reference The better. | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! " Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. | |||
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"Lots of people slagging off Boris, but can you imagine the cluster fuck corbyn and abbot would of had us in??? I think Boris is doing a good all round job delivered brexit no dealing with another shit storm" | |||
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"Lots of people slagging off Boris, but can you imagine the cluster fuck corbyn and abbot would of had us in??? I think Boris is doing a good all round job delivered brexit no dealing with another shit storm" Brexit hasn't happened | |||
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"nice swerve of the Brexit fiasco. "That's a different Hornets nest completely. No one knows how that is going to affect us in the long run so to say it's been a success is beyond parody. | |||
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"Lots of people slagging off Boris, but can you imagine the cluster fuck corbyn and abbot would of had us in??? I think Boris is doing a good all round job delivered brexit no dealing with another shit storm Brexit hasn't happened" Exactly. | |||
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"Actually I need a good fingering" I need to so a good fingering lol | |||
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"largely thanks to certain MP`s trying to reverse the majority vote. " I'm not even getting into it. It's a different issue. | |||
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"Shame we've had 10 years of austerity cuts. NHS might have stood a chance otherwise. Boris played his part in ripping the guts out of the health service. I sometimes wonder how many decisions were being made by Dominic Cummings during our so called herd immunity period. Wasted much time then. Paying the price now. We're gonna be in for even more austerity now that the economy is going over the cliff. Someone's gotta pay for all these bailouts and lost productivity. The priority right now Is not having countless dead Its amazing how many people seem to be more concerned with the economy." Its right to consider the economy too; tax rises, pay cuts, reduced quality of living, a possible rise in home repossessions and homelessness, shortages and further cuts to essential services etc. These are things which could cause many problems for future generations. Whilst the important thing is to limit deaths from corona, I do understand why there should be "countless deaths" when corona virus is not particularly lethal? | |||
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"Lots of people slagging off Boris, but can you imagine the cluster fuck corbyn and abbot would of had us in??? I think Boris is doing a good all round job delivered brexit no dealing with another shit storm" I remember Corbyn offering free everything. People said couldn't afford it. Now look at all the businesses begging for money. All people begging for money | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1." 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do! | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do! "So you are saying because he was preoccupied with brexit the NHS and police have suffered? | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do! "Brexit is not done | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this " Yep like hole in the head.....!! | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do!
So you are saying because he was preoccupied with brexit the NHS and police have suffered?"No, they have been suffering for years! But what I am saying is if he wasnt preoccupied picking up Corbyn's dummy every time he spat it out the NHS and emergency services would be in a better position to react now! | |||
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"I think Theresa May would’ve handled it better but Boris thought he knew better. We should’ve been in lockdown two weeks ago and borders should’ve been closed. Then we would’ve had a better chance against this. China went into lockdown on 23 January, two days before Chinese New Year. The biggest celebration they have. Now that’s a tough decision to make but it has probably saved thousands of lives. " Yep the fact they are police state might just have little to do with it...!! | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do!
Brexit is not done"Hold on to which ever bit of hope brings you happiness. You're right its not done, but it's out of Corbyn's control | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do!
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No, they have been suffering for years! But what I am saying is if he wasnt preoccupied picking up Corbyn's dummy every time he spat it out the NHS and emergency services would be in a better position to react now! "Erm ..that's exactly what I said..you think because of Brexit he wasnt able to fully support the nhs and the police? | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. " A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. " It's just a friendly discussion, dont get worked up. These threads are to discuss views and opinions
All I'm saying is I think hes done a good job, handled it well, and together we will get through this.
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Exactly, we had a 2 months heads up from China and in those 2 months the government of the United Kingdom did precisely fuck all to prepare. " I'm inclined to agree with the second add on... | |||
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"not saying Brexit is done. boris at least had balls enough to follow through what public voted for and to get us out of EU which if I am not wrong is done. " I can't even be arsed arguing about that.Like i said its completely unrelated to this. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Exactly, we had a 2 months heads up from China and in those 2 months the government of the United Kingdom did precisely fuck all to prepare. I'm inclined to agree with the second add on..." I also agree, preparations should of been made, hospitals fully stocked. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion." Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. It's just a friendly discussion, dont get worked up. These threads are to discuss views and opinions
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. " People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is " It's not likely to make people feel better about things though. I just wish people would try to pull together abit more. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is It's not likely to make people feel better about things though. I just wish people would try to pull together abit more. " No its not but when people come on and say "he is doing a great job'they should be able to back this us with actual evidence. As for pulling together I think brexit showed us as a society we are more divided than ever.The recent panic buying is also evidence of this. I think all that 'blitz spirit" is bit of a myth to be honest. | |||
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"I think it's time for enough of the political squabbling it is time for action and unity. There has been 6650 confirmed cases in the uk and 335 confirmed deaths. Germany has 29056 cases with only 123 deaths. What does that tell us? The NHS has been overwhelmed. Partially because because they didn't put enough measures in straight away and partially because when they did put measures in people didn't follow them. So lets hope people follow these further restrictions or martial law will be put in place." I dont think you can discuss this issue without a discussion about how the nhs has been run. I just hope when this is all over it gets the proper recognition it deserves. Bankers etc get paid millions yet we have seen this week without nurses,delivery drivery drivers,.carers.shop workers etc society would fall apart. | |||
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" So lets hope people follow these further restrictions or martial law will be put in place." People will if they choose to.... Martial law ?? This Britain, not China or Syria... | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is It's not likely to make people feel better about things though. I just wish people would try to pull together abit more. No its not but when people come on and say "he is doing a great job'they should be able to back this us with actual evidence. As for pulling together I think brexit showed us as a society we are more divided than ever.The recent panic buying is also evidence of this. I think all that 'blitz spirit" is bit of a myth to be honest." Maybe you prefer to see the glass half empty, that's fine but I refuse to sit and wallow in self pity. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is It's not likely to make people feel better about things though. I just wish people would try to pull together abit more. No its not but when people come on and say "he is doing a great job'they should be able to back this us with actual evidence. As for pulling together I think brexit showed us as a society we are more divided than ever.The recent panic buying is also evidence of this. I think all that 'blitz spirit" is bit of a myth to be honest. Maybe you prefer to see the glass half empty, that's fine but I refuse to sit and wallow in self pity." I think we face a unique threat. I pray to God we get through it and unlike others I think peoples lives are more important than the economy. And when it's over we need to have a proper look at how to handle it better next time. | |||
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"Bankers etc get paid millions yet we have seen this week without nurses,delivery drivery drivers,.carers.shop workers etc society would fall apart." Be sure there are already people making billions out of this situation. We did not bother to tax them before, why will it change now ?? Just look at the Amazons and Facebooks of this world. Tells you all you need to know. These corporations have got governments in their pockets... | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. A lot of the decisions taken to combat the virus are taken with politics firmly in mind. Also The state of the nhs is a political issue. Its a perfectly valid discussion. Some people are not using it as a discussion though, they are using it as just another reason to bitch about the Tories. All the negativity is not making the situation better. People think the situation has been handled well.I couldnt disagree more. Arguing about it on a swingers forum isnt going to make this horrible situation worse than what it is It's not likely to make people feel better about things though. I just wish people would try to pull together abit more. No its not but when people come on and say "he is doing a great job'they should be able to back this us with actual evidence. As for pulling together I think brexit showed us as a society we are more divided than ever.The recent panic buying is also evidence of this. I think all that 'blitz spirit" is bit of a myth to be honest. Maybe you prefer to see the glass half empty, that's fine but I refuse to sit and wallow in self pity. I think we face a unique threat. I pray to God we get through it and unlike others I think peoples lives are more important than the economy. And when it's over we need to have a proper look at how to handle it better next time." On that we can agree. | |||
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" So lets hope people follow these further restrictions or martial law will be put in place. People will if they choose to.... Martial law ?? This Britain, not China or Syria..." Yes it is Britain so lets hope the British people do the right thing or there will be no choice but to enforce martial law | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this " Can't believe people are applauding him. These measures should have been in place weeks ago except for Boris and his mates arrogantly assuming there's no way the UK could turn out like Italy or China despite the clear evidence in front of them. | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this Can't believe people are applauding him. These measures should have been in place weeks ago except for Boris and his mates arrogantly assuming there's no way the UK could turn out like Italy or China despite the clear evidence in front of them." They are denying Now they even tried to use that 'hard immunity" approach despite clearly stating thats what they were doing. Its the age we live in where you can just basically lie without reproach. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. " Chill out, that will be tomorrow. Today's was cancelled due to an emergency cobra meeting. The govt is updating us daily what more do you want? | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Hang on! Wouldn't a group of Press and Media personnel be a contradiction of a group of people meeting en-masse & potentially risking exacerbating the virus spread? Just a thought!" He stated yesterday they'll change the way of doing it but not to exclude the press. | |||
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"The man is a coward. He hid behind a recorded message in order to avoid the press from asking him questions. Chill out, that will be tomorrow. Today's was cancelled due to an emergency cobra meeting. The govt is updating us daily what more do you want? " Never been terribly comfortable with the press. Blair for all his faults, he had very many, would talk to the Press. Not heard from over this one...probably too busy making money...!! | |||
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"Well done boris we all needed this Can't believe people are applauding him. These measures should have been in place weeks ago except for Boris and his mates arrogantly assuming there's no way the UK could turn out like Italy or China despite the clear evidence in front of them." Wrong. Imagine the panic if the country went straight into lockdown. The rioting and looting that would have happened. How vulnerable the least able to look after themselves financially, mentally or physically would have been. How many would have been left with nothing to live on while shops were stripped bare by the greedy and selfish. It doesn't bare thinking about. Deep down we all know it would have happened, you just need to see what happened at the first rumour of any form if shortage. Then the same people moaning about it now would be moaning about hiw it was handled, why wasn't we given more time and notice to prepare. The government has intentionally gradually bought this in the give people time to prepare and come to terms with it. Have they got everything right? No, but no one ever does. But they have got this right in my opinion. Some people though, will moan what ever. It is their nature. | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?"It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus. | |||
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do! "Probably best not to mention Nhs and police when the tories have starved these institutions of proper funding.
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"Each of the points you make are wrong, or I was listening to something completely different? There was a time for these measures to be introduced, and following the scientific advice were actioned when necessary..... How do you feel this could of been handled any better? We are in this together and need to stand together and fight strong! Please point out which points are wrong. Ok step no 1..when this started 3..3 months ago I would have made sure the nhs were in a better position to handle this.This began in Jan in china..we are now in march and drs and nurses are still begging for face masks. That's just 1. 3 months ago Boris was still jumping hurdles to get BREXIT done! Now he has accomplished that challenge he can fight this one! If he wasn't having to justify the British peoples decision for months on end he could of been prioritising the NHS and Police force as he set out to do!
So you are saying because he was preoccupied with brexit the NHS and police have suffered?
No, they have been suffering for years! But what I am saying is if he wasnt preoccupied picking up Corbyn's dummy every time he spat it out the NHS and emergency services would be in a better position to react now! "In your dreams. | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?
It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus. "I get the intention..I just dont think it has worked. For example 2 weeks ago he 'advised'pubs to close.most didnt. Last friday he ordered them to close. Why not close them straight away?How many people have been infected in those 2 weeks.Makes no sense to me. And I said in other thread..small pubs have closed but big factories/offices with 100s of people have stayed open. I just dont see any sort of logic.It all seems so reactive not proactive. | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?
It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus.
I get the intention..I just dont think it has worked.
For example 2 weeks ago he 'advised'pubs to close.most didnt.
Last friday he ordered them to close.
Why not close them straight away?How many people have been infected in those 2 weeks.Makes no sense to me.
And I said in other thread..small pubs have closed but big factories/offices with 100s of people have stayed open.
I just dont see any sort of logic.It all seems so reactive not proactive."He wanted to keep London open for the posh boys. Where was the mayor in all this... Defiance in London has created a hot spot of cases. The genie is out of the lamp. | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?
It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus.
I get the intention..I just dont think it has worked.
For example 2 weeks ago he 'advised'pubs to close.most didnt.
Last friday he ordered them to close.
Why not close them straight away?How many people have been infected in those 2 weeks.Makes no sense to me.
And I said in other thread..small pubs have closed but big factories/offices with 100s of people have stayed open.
I just dont see any sort of logic.It all seems so reactive not proactive.
He wanted to keep London open for the posh boys.
Where was the mayor in all this... Defiance in London has created a hot spot of cases. The genie is out of the lamp. "Mr Khan a few weeks ago said no reason not to go on tube, now he's saying keep off em. Oh yeh, no excuse to stop training for the marathon in April, he claimed it's going ahead...not. Now he bleating about key workers having to go in and there's lot's of them so the PM should clarify who they are. He lives in bloody London the most densely populated city what does he expect. He get's my nob head of the month x 3 | |||
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"I Cut and pasted the following from the ‘Corona Jokes” thread in this forum. It’s seams strangely appropriate for in here. There are a lot of Sandras in the UK right now. “ Decided not to listen to government advice or 111, because Sandra on Facebook turns out to be microbiologist, national economical expert, housing advisor, mortgage guru, GP and national pandemic specialist .... who’d have thought? Only last week she was a full time mummy selling bath bombs on Facebook! Goes to show, never judge a book by its cover!”" Has anyone actually done this? | |||
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"Too little too late, government has learned nothing from other countries! Should have went to lockdown atleast a week ago. WHO said to test, test, test weeks ago as only way of controlling virus cases. So why didn't we? Because it costs MONEY! We only test when your near death, so what chance you got. If you get it and your body can't fight it off your f&@ked, all because of no early testing and isolating. Soz for rant. Take care, stay safe and please stay at home,,please. X" We still dont test people coming on from infected areas | |||
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"But still not enough is being done , I work in a warehouse, no social space , , all they care about is getting orders out , " Work in an office with about 150 people. | |||
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"He promised daily press conferencing which happened right up until he had to try and make a decision. Also it's worth pointing out that straight after his message Nicola Sturgeon stood up and faced the country Live and took questions. Kind of speaks for itself really." No it doesn’t | |||
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"I remember Corbyn offering free everything. People said couldn't afford it. Now look at all the businesses begging for money. All people begging for money" Even the rich like socialism sometimes! | |||
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"I Cut and pasted the following from the ‘Corona Jokes” thread in this forum. It’s seams strangely appropriate for in here. There are a lot of Sandras in the UK right now. “ Decided not to listen to government advice or 111, because Sandra on Facebook turns out to be microbiologist, national economical expert, housing advisor, mortgage guru, GP and national pandemic specialist .... who’d have thought? Only last week she was a full time mummy selling bath bombs on Facebook! Goes to show, never judge a book by its cover!”" Funny | |||
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"The stupidity of FAB is unbelievable..... thread starts by praising boris aka the fat pig Blaming china, blaming brexit, blaming each other. The truth is we knew about this months ago and could have prepared by obtaining testing, getting equitment to the front line. In part we are wholly unprepared due 10 years of conservite cuts to areas such as the NHS and social care which boris voted for. Boris decided to go with economics rather than lives and only a couple of weeks ago after getting a report from UCLA which said if you let 60% get it without control you are looking at least 1/2 million deaths. Wake up everyone, boris and our government have totally fucked this up and many needless lives will be lost. For a blueprint check out south korea response. Once this is all over Boris should step aside and a full investigation needs to be conducted. Boris is worst than a cat with 9 lives and will no doubt get the mass public to belive he has done well. Even today our doctors and nurses dont have the neccessary equipment to keep safe. So fuck you boris" Absolutely, especially the last bit. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. " Well said | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. Well said "Carry on being a sheep, doing whats right and helping our community goes without saying and rightly stating how the crisis has been delt with is exceptable if someone creates a thread called boris. The narritive cannot be aloud to blame china and the people for not social distancing. The blame is clear and falls directly on the actions of the government and boris for the decisions and preparation made leading up to the crisis which was known about since December and only changed 2 weeks ago when they pivoted from heard immunity. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. Well said
Carry on being a sheep, doing whats right and helping our community goes without saying and rightly stating how the crisis has been delt with is exceptable if someone creates a thread called boris.
The narritive cannot be aloud to blame china and the people for not social distancing. The blame is clear and falls directly on the actions of the government and boris for the decisions and preparation made leading up to the crisis which was known about since December and only changed 2 weeks ago when they pivoted from heard immunity.
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?
It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus.
I get the intention..I just dont think it has worked.
For example 2 weeks ago he 'advised'pubs to close.most didnt.
Last friday he ordered them to close.
Why not close them straight away?How many people have been infected in those 2 weeks.Makes no sense to me.
And I said in other thread..small pubs have closed but big factories/offices with 100s of people have stayed open.
I just dont see any sort of logic.It all seems so reactive not proactive."It is very simple, very simple. Until we get an effective vaccine and in enough doses to give to everyone this virus will not and cannot be stopped, once it was at large in China it was impossible to contain, a study in Italy has shown the huge majority dont show any symptoms therefore lockdown cant and dont stop the spread unless you lockdown all 7.4 billion in the world for three weeks so no food, electric water or gas services, no health services no police on the street to enforce the lockdown. ALL countries have gone down a similar route of allowing it to spread to allow natural immunity to build, the difference has been how quickly they have decided to introduce the measures we now have, do it too quick and not enough people have it so when you relax the controls it then spreads again and you have to reintroduce controls, do it too late and those badly affected overwhelm health services. All governments make a decision based on expert advice which tells them the moment to clamp down on the spread to allow services to cope but to have enough people with minor symptoms who will be immune and so cant spread it when restrictions are relaxed, it will spread again due to some who are essential workers still having it as restrictions relax, but due to large numbers being now immune infection rates will be much lower until herd immunity becomes high enough that life returns to a new normal, the vulnerable will still need to be kept safe until the vaccine comes. As I said the plan is very simple, hindsight will be the judge of if the timing was right and of course we ALL now have to do what we are told | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. Well said
Carry on being a sheep, doing whats right and helping our community goes without saying and rightly stating how the crisis has been delt with is exceptable if someone creates a thread called boris.
The narritive cannot be aloud to blame china and the people for not social distancing. The blame is clear and falls directly on the actions of the government and boris for the decisions and preparation made leading up to the crisis which was known about since December and only changed 2 weeks ago when they pivoted from heard immunity.
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"The stupidity of FAB is unbelievable..... thread starts by praising boris aka the fat pig Blaming china, blaming brexit, blaming each other. The truth is we knew about this months ago and could have prepared by obtaining testing, getting equitment to the front line. In part we are wholly unprepared due 10 years of conservite cuts to areas such as the NHS and social care which boris voted for. Boris decided to go with economics rather than lives and only a couple of weeks ago after getting a report from UCLA which said if you let 60% get it without control you are looking at least 1/2 million deaths. Wake up everyone, boris and our government have totally fucked this up and many needless lives will be lost. For a blueprint check out south korea response. Once this is all over Boris should step aside and a full investigation needs to be conducted. Boris is worst than a cat with 9 lives and will no doubt get the mass public to belive he has done well. Even today our doctors and nurses dont have the neccessary equipment to keep safe. So fuck you boris" But..but..he Is doing s great job. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. Well said
Carry on being a sheep, doing whats right and helping our community goes without saying and rightly stating how the crisis has been delt with is exceptable if someone creates a thread called boris.
The narritive cannot be aloud to blame china and the people for not social distancing. The blame is clear and falls directly on the actions of the government and boris for the decisions and preparation made leading up to the crisis which was known about since December and only changed 2 weeks ago when they pivoted from heard immunity.
You cant even spell the word right, look at the science and learn what HERD immunity is and how ALL governments are trying to achieve it. Until we have a vaccine there is no other way."China and other countries went into full lockdown..surely that's not herd immunity? They are also denying They even used it.Look at piers Morgan interviewing Matt Hancock. | |||
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"Honestly, reading some of these comments I'm ashamed to live on the same land mass as some of you. We are in the middle of a global crisis and all some of you are doing is using it to spout more of your political tripe, instead of complaining about it, why not put more effort into helping your community or doing something positive with this time? This isn't the time to start throwing out blame, it's the time to all knuckle down and do what's needed to protect our country and it's population. Well said
Carry on being a sheep, doing whats right and helping our community goes without saying and rightly stating how the crisis has been delt with is exceptable if someone creates a thread called boris.
The narritive cannot be aloud to blame china and the people for not social distancing. The blame is clear and falls directly on the actions of the government and boris for the decisions and preparation made leading up to the crisis which was known about since December and only changed 2 weeks ago when they pivoted from heard immunity.
You cant even spell the word right, look at the science and learn what HERD immunity is and how ALL governments are trying to achieve it. Until we have a vaccine there is no other way."Thamks for ponting out my spelling lol Tell me what other countrys decided to go with un controled herd immunity? For the sake of economics they were going to let it run but realised only 2 weeks ago that 1/2 million at least would die. They never invested in testing kits, medical equitment etc. Of course they are trying to fix this and will achieve some errors but unfortunately they have always been in front of the curve due to the lack of preparation and if we have an Italy moment which looks likely based on the figures it will be as a result of poor planning due to intially putting economics in front of lives and reacting to late. The countrys that reacted first and invested in the appropriate equitment and testing slowed the spread which would have allowed the NHS to deal with more of the cases. In 2 weeks if which looks likely we have an explosion of cases and the majority cant get help we will have lots of unnecessary deaths which will be due to the strategy and actioned led by boris. Find it amazing people cant seem to get the big picture of what has happened and how we have been let down by our government | |||
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"Because the right actions have been taken at the right time!
Could be worse! Could of been Jeremy Corbyn lol although tbf, NHS are struggling, millions facing unemployment,pubs closed,no schools,everyone skint and a huge national debt its almost as if he won the election lmao!
Please explain to me how the right actions have been taken at the right time.
One day he said large crowds were ok.
The following day the fa suspended all football games.
He said schools will not close .Schools are now closed.
Initially they went for the 'hard immunity'policy.This has now been discarded.
2 weeks ago he said pubs could stay open.Last week they were closed.
China have stopped The spread whilst ours go through the room.
Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but explain to me how any of that can be considered a success?
It has been a strategy to eke out the measures in order to squash the curve of the transmission of the virus.
I get the intention..I just dont think it has worked.
For example 2 weeks ago he 'advised'pubs to close.most didnt.
Last friday he ordered them to close.
Why not close them straight away?How many people have been infected in those 2 weeks.Makes no sense to me.
And I said in other thread..small pubs have closed but big factories/offices with 100s of people have stayed open.
I just dont see any sort of logic.It all seems so reactive not proactive.
It is very simple, very simple.
Until we get an effective vaccine and in enough doses to give to everyone this virus will not and cannot be stopped, once it was at large in China it was impossible to contain, a study in Italy has shown the huge majority dont show any symptoms therefore lockdown cant and dont stop the spread unless you lockdown all 7.4 billion in the world for three weeks so no food, electric water or gas services, no health services no police on the street to enforce the lockdown. ALL countries have gone down a similar route of allowing it to spread to allow natural immunity to build, the difference has been how quickly they have decided to introduce the measures we now have, do it too quick and not enough people have it so when you relax the controls it then spreads again and you have to reintroduce controls, do it too late and those badly affected overwhelm health services. All governments make a decision based on expert advice which tells them the moment to clamp down on the spread to allow services to cope but to have enough people with minor symptoms who will be immune and so cant spread it when restrictions are relaxed, it will spread again due to some who are essential workers still having it as restrictions relax, but due to large numbers being now immune infection rates will be much lower until herd immunity becomes high enough that life returns to a new normal, the vulnerable will still need to be kept safe until the vaccine comes. As I said the plan is very simple, hindsight will be the judge of if the timing was right and of course we ALL now have to do what we are told"So why are the gmnt now denying using herd community.? | |||
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"Some people can only moan, because they have nothing better to do than moan, they are just very sad people. I think the government has done quite well with it being a new virus and all the other countries has had the same problems to cope with this virus. We need to do has we have been asked to do and stay in doors and back what the government has asked of us to all do. Soon has we get this sorted the sooner we can go back to our normal lives. But people must do like we are being asked too. " You are a governments dream, i have tried to explain to you how and what should have been done to minimise deaths but i suppose having faith in the government would be comforting to some at this time, but like i said at the start once this is finished i hope boris and his government get held accountable to the slow inadequate, dangerous response to this global crisis and it gets linked to the increase of unnecessary deaths in this country for the medical staff and our population To say this is moaning clearly shows how fucked our society has become and how controlled and blind we have become Good luck and stay safe all x | |||
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"Some people can only moan, because they have nothing better to do than moan, they are just very sad people. I think the government has done quite well with it being a new virus and all the other countries has had the same problems to cope with this virus. We need to do has we have been asked to do and stay in doors and back what the government has asked of us to all do. Soon has we get this sorted the sooner we can go back to our normal lives. But people must do like we are being asked too. You are a governments dream, i have tried to explain to you how and what should have been done to minimise deaths but i suppose having faith in the government would be comforting to some at this time, but like i said at the start once this is finished i hope boris and his government get held accountable to the slow inadequate, dangerous response to this global crisis and it gets linked to the increase of unnecessary deaths in this country for the medical staff and our population To say this is moaning clearly shows how fucked our society has become and how controlled and blind we have become Good luck and stay safe all x" You haven't explained anything. | |||
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"Some people can only moan, because they have nothing better to do than moan, they are just very sad people. I think the government has done quite well with it being a new virus and all the other countries has had the same problems to cope with this virus. We need to do has we have been asked to do and stay in doors and back what the government has asked of us to all do. Soon has we get this sorted the sooner we can go back to our normal lives. But people must do like we are being asked too. You are a governments dream, i have tried to explain to you how and what should have been done to minimise deaths but i suppose having faith in the government would be comforting to some at this time, but like i said at the start once this is finished i hope boris and his government get held accountable to the slow inadequate, dangerous response to this global crisis and it gets linked to the increase of unnecessary deaths in this country for the medical staff and our population To say this is moaning clearly shows how fucked our society has become and how controlled and blind we have become Good luck and stay safe all x You haven't explained anything. " I did further up The countries that have been successful at slowing the spread and not having a huge spike such as South Korea reacted immediately obtained the necessary equitment for health workers and done mass testing on the population. Covid 19 has a potential 14 day incubation period so you dont have to be that smart on how to slow and stop the spike. The government took a different approch and only reacted after UCLA done a report that indicated around 1/2 million would die if it run freely in the population. As a result our preparation was inadequate and closure of london was too slow. We have Italy as a blueprint and we are still ahead of them on the models being done so in the next couple of weeks we are fucked To make things even worst the front line medical staff still dont have the necessary equitment to keep themselves safe and not enough facilities to deal with the avalanche of expected cases on the modeling. The goverment started social distancing which is great but needed to inforce it sooner to reduce the spike of the curve. Consequently over the next 2 weeks many people will die due to the inability to treat the population. I state again the magnitude of loss of life will be as a result of our governments response which has also been against the WHO advice. Lets just hope they can do enough to minimise the fuck up that has already happened | |||
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"Some people can only moan, because they have nothing better to do than moan, they are just very sad people. I think the government has done quite well with it being a new virus and all the other countries has had the same problems to cope with this virus. We need to do has we have been asked to do and stay in doors and back what the government has asked of us to all do. Soon has we get this sorted the sooner we can go back to our normal lives. But people must do like we are being asked too. You are a governments dream, i have tried to explain to you how and what should have been done to minimise deaths but i suppose having faith in the government would be comforting to some at this time, but like i said at the start once this is finished i hope boris and his government get held accountable to the slow inadequate, dangerous response to this global crisis and it gets linked to the increase of unnecessary deaths in this country for the medical staff and our population To say this is moaning clearly shows how fucked our society has become and how controlled and blind we have become Good luck and stay safe all x" Sorry but you dont have a clue. Once china admitted it had a problem it was too late to stop it spreading, so many dont have symptoms and it spreads so easily it would have been impossible to trace and isolate all contacts, take someone on a plane with it, it's easy and quick to trace the fellow passengers, even the staff on board the plane, the staff in the airports their families, then of course every person that might have been in the airport at the same time then everyone who could have had contact with every single person that contact with those contacts, then of course you can only test them when the virus is spreading through the body quite a few will be tested while they have only just been infected so will be missed. In a couple of weeks you would have to test virtually every person in the world and quarantine most of them too. Every country has done the same as us, some quicker some not, the way Italy has done it just as the weather turned wet and cold combined with the way different generations live together meant lots of people shut up in houses with no windows open to allow ventilation creating high levels of virus to infect new victims with high doses of virus which makes it far harder for peoples immune system to fight it. If you have one paracetamol it doesn't poison you take 100 and it does the same with this( and any virus) the loading is hugely important, which is shown by health service people dying despite being healthy. | |||
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"The following is from a NHS doctor, its worth reading. Have a look. I'm sad to say that I do have the details, and there has been intense discussion about this over the past weeks. To answer your question: "herd immunity" would have been a beneficial outcome to slowing virus growth to a prolonged period of time. It was not a primary outcome. That said, the official policy was wholly wrong and when all the dust has settled, when all the costs and lives have been counted, people have to make their governments accountable. I'll tell you what happened in the UK. Over the past decade, eminent figures in public health developed complex models that would help inform the UK response to a pandemic. The response plan would allow slow spread through a population and a number of deaths that would be deemed acceptable in relation to low economic impact. Timing of population measures such as social distancing would be taken, not early, but at a times deemed to have maximal psychological impact. Measures would be taken that could protect the most vulnerable, and most of the people who got the virus would hopefully survive. Herd immunity would beneficially emerge at the end of this, and restrictions could relax. This was a ground-breaking approach compared to suppressing epidemics. It was an approach that could revolutionise the way we handled epidemics. Complex modelling is a new science, and this was cutting edge. But a model is only ever as good as the assumptions you build it upon. The UK plan was based on models with an assumption that any new pandemic would be like an old one, like flu. And it also carried a huge flaw - there was no accounting for the highly significant variables of ventilators and critical care beds that are key to maintaining higher survival numbers (https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/government-documents-show-no-planning-ventilators-event-pandemic). So, come 2020 and COVID-19 causes disaster in China, Iran and Italy. Epidemiologists and doctors from around the world observe, and learn valuable lessons: the virus is insidious with a long incubation, any population actions you take will only have an effect weeks later the virus spreads remarkably quickly and effectively the virus causes an unusually large proportion of patients to require invasive ventilatory support early large scale testing, and social distancing measures, are effective at stopping exponential growth stopping exponential growth is VITAL to preventing your critical care systems from being overwhelmed. Everyone in the world could see these things. But despite this, very few governments chose to act. The UK did the opposite of acting. In an act of what I see as sheer arrogance, they chose to do nothing, per the early stages of their disaster plan. There was some initial contact tracing, but this stopped when it was clear that there was significant community spread and exponential growth. And after this? They did not ramp up testing capabilities. They did not encourage social distancing. They did not boost PPE supply, or plan for surge capacity. They ignored advice from the WHO, public health experts in other country; epidemiologists, scientists and doctors in their own. I can tell you with certainty now that they did not even collect regular statistics for how many COVID patients were being admitted to critical care in the UK. They did nothing. What were they thinking? Maybe that what had happened in China, and was happening in Italy, couldn't possibly happen in the UK, right? It was impossible. The persisted with the original plan with no modification. Well COVID-19 is not flu. That is perfectly clear. And it was clear that the UK numbers were following, exponentially, the same trend as Italy. But still the government and their advisers stuck to their guns and put out reassuring messages. I would ask here - why did they still think we would be different? Finally, a team at Imperial informing the government's response put up-to-date COVID-19 data into the historical models that the UK plan was based on (https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf), and predicted in a best case scenario 250,000 deaths and excess of 8x surge capacity of UK intensive cares. They concluded that our approach was wrong, and that "Epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time". Where are we now? The government has instituted a number of measures that they previously called "unscientific", but has not mandated them. We are far, far into the exponential curve both in deaths and critical care numbers, and there is at least two weeks more growth until any of the half-hearted measures taken might kick in. We do not have sufficient testing capability for even hospital patients, who sometimes wait days for a test result. There are not enough tests for anyone in the community, or any healthcare workers who might have symptoms. Hospitals are scrambling to produce surge capacity, and several smaller hospitals in London are now overwhelmed with COVID and out of ventilators. There is clearly not enough PPE in the country and we are rushing to secure supplies. Don't believe the UK government propaganda when they say that they are only advancing along the same plan at a faster pace. It is total bollocks. Their plan was wrong, kaput, totally broken. They chose to perform an experiment on an entire population, a trial of 'new epidemic mitigation strategy in UK' vs 'epidemic suppression in rest of the world'. They didn't listen to other experts from all over the world, and in this arrogance they did not observe the lessons or data that was there, plain to see. They have backtracked completely and are now doing what most world public health experts and what the WHO asked them to do in the first place. They've wasted a month, at least. Will they suffer? Hell no. It will be the vulnerable in the population, the unlucky young, and the medical staff at the front line. When the final counts return in months or a years time, don't let them get away with it. " Well said | |||
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"Some people can only moan, because they have nothing better to do than moan, they are just very sad people. I think the government has done quite well with it being a new virus and all the other countries has had the same problems to cope with this virus. We need to do has we have been asked to do and stay in doors and back what the government has asked of us to all do. Soon has we get this sorted the sooner we can go back to our normal lives. But people must do like we are being asked too. You are a governments dream, i have tried to explain to you how and what should have been done to minimise deaths but i suppose having faith in the government would be comforting to some at this time, but like i said at the start once this is finished i hope boris and his government get held accountable to the slow inadequate, dangerous response to this global crisis and it gets linked to the increase of unnecessary deaths in this country for the medical staff and our population To say this is moaning clearly shows how fucked our society has become and how controlled and blind we have become Good luck and stay safe all x You haven't explained anything. I did further up The countries that have been successful at slowing the spread and not having a huge spike such as South Korea reacted immediately obtained the necessary equitment for health workers and done mass testing on the population. Covid 19 has a potential 14 day incubation period so you dont have to be that smart on how to slow and stop the spike. The government took a different approch and only reacted after UCLA done a report that indicated around 1/2 million would die if it run freely in the population. As a result our preparation was inadequate and closure of london was too slow. We have Italy as a blueprint and we are still ahead of them on the models being done so in the next couple of weeks we are fucked To make things even worst the front line medical staff still dont have the necessary equitment to keep themselves safe and not enough facilities to deal with the avalanche of expected cases on the modeling. The goverment started social distancing which is great but needed to inforce it sooner to reduce the spike of the curve. Consequently over the next 2 weeks many people will die due to the inability to treat the population. I state again the magnitude of loss of life will be as a result of our governments response which has also been against the WHO advice. Lets just hope they can do enough to minimise the fuck up that has already happened " Really, you haven't explained anything. You have simply recounted events that have already taken place, and added your opinion. Thats called using the benefit of hindsight. | |||
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Measures would be taken that could protect the most vulnerable, and most of the people who got the virus would hopefully survive. Herd immunity would beneficially emerge at the end of this, and restrictions could relax. This was a ground-breaking approach compared to suppressing epidemics. It was an approach that could revolutionise the way we handled epidemics. Complex modelling is a new science, and this was cutting edge. But a model is only ever as good as the assumptions you build it upon. The UK plan was based on models with an assumption that any new pandemic would be like an old one, like flu. And it also carried a huge flaw - there was no accounting for the highly significant variables of ventilators and critical care beds that are key to maintaining higher survival numbers (https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/government-documents-show-no-planning-ventilators-event-pandemic). So, come 2020 and COVID-19 causes disaster in China, Iran and Italy. Epidemiologists and doctors from around the world observe, and learn valuable lessons: the virus is insidious with a long incubation, any population actions you take will only have an effect weeks later the virus spreads remarkably quickly and effectively the virus causes an unusually large proportion of patients to require invasive ventilatory support early large scale testing, and social distancing measures, are effective at stopping exponential growth stopping exponential growth is VITAL to preventing your critical care systems from being overwhelmed. Everyone in the world could see these things. But despite this, very few governments chose to act. The UK did the opposite of acting. In an act of what I see as sheer arrogance, they chose to do nothing, per the early stages of their disaster plan. There was some initial contact tracing, but this stopped when it was clear that there was significant community spread and exponential growth. And after this? They did not ramp up testing capabilities. They did not encourage social distancing. They did not boost PPE supply, or plan for surge capacity. They ignored advice from the WHO, public health experts in other country; epidemiologists, scientists and doctors in their own. I can tell you with certainty now that they did not even collect regular statistics for how many COVID patients were being admitted to critical care in the UK. They did nothing. What were they thinking? Maybe that what had happened in China, and was happening in Italy, couldn't possibly happen in the UK, right? It was impossible. The persisted with the original plan with no modification. Well COVID-19 is not flu. That is perfectly clear. And it was clear that the UK numbers were following, exponentially, the same trend as Italy. But still the government and their advisers stuck to their guns and put out reassuring messages. I would ask here - why did they still think we would be different? Finally, a team at Imperial informing the government's response put up-to-date COVID-19 data into the historical models that the UK plan was based on (https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf), and predicted in a best case scenario 250,000 deaths and excess of 8x surge capacity of UK intensive cares. They concluded that our approach was wrong, and that "Epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time". Where are we now? The government has instituted a number of measures that they previously called "unscientific", but has not mandated them. We are far, far into the exponential curve both in deaths and critical care numbers, and there is at least two weeks more growth until any of the half-hearted measures taken might kick in. We do not have sufficient testing capability for even hospital patients, who sometimes wait days for a test result. There are not enough tests for anyone in the community, or any healthcare workers who might have symptoms. Hospitals are scrambling to produce surge capacity, and several smaller hospitals in London are now overwhelmed with COVID and out of ventilators. There is clearly not enough PPE in the country and we are rushing to secure supplies. Don't believe the UK government propaganda when they say that they are only advancing along the same plan at a faster pace. It is total bollocks. Their plan was wrong, kaput, totally broken. They chose to perform an experiment on an entire population, a trial of 'new epidemic mitigation strategy in UK' vs 'epidemic suppression in rest of the world'. They didn't listen to other experts from all over the world, and in this arrogance they did not observe the lessons or data that was there, plain to see. They have backtracked completely and are now doing what most world public health experts and what the WHO asked them to do in the first place. They've wasted a month, at least. Will they suffer? Hell no. It will be the vulnerable in the population, the unlucky young, and the medical staff at the front line. When the final counts return in months or a years time, don't let them get away with it. " Pfft drs would be they know? Boris is doing a sniffing job and anyone dating to question this is an idiot. | |||
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