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"Today my local mosque was advertising for women who have already had Covid-19 to be trained in ritual washing of the dead. " Only women? | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. " There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. | |||
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"Today my local mosque was advertising for women who have already had Covid-19 to be trained in ritual washing of the dead. Only women? I could be wrong but I think it's only women who perform that ritual in Islam" I'd be worried about them taking it home to their families  | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. " But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark ages | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark ages" Like the bronze age or the stone age the Dark Ages came about for reasons that has precious little to do with Religion. More the fall of the Roman Empire and iiteracy of most in western Europe. Munks and Nunns instigated much of the litracy schooling that lead to the eventual enlightenment. I am not the only man of faith on this site and people of all beleifs and non have a part to play defeating the virus.its not some biblical plauge its just a very Naighty bug! | |||
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"Not seen anything myself either The most responsible thing they can do is to cancel services, especially given their demographic I did see a clip of Muslim leader in Iran claiming that the virus won't infect the believers A week later he was dead" Does not mean he was wrong just not the believers in that God myth Going on pasta sales the spaghetti monster could be the one he should have believed in  | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. " Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy | |||
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"Not seen anything myself either The most responsible thing they can do is to cancel services, especially given their demographic I did see a clip of Muslim leader in Iran claiming that the virus won't infect the believers A week later he was dead Does not mean he was wrong just not the believers in that God myth Going on pasta sales the spaghetti monster could be the one he should have believed in "Indeed. The flying spaghetti monster is equally as likely to exist as an of them | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark ages Like the bronze age or the stone age the Dark Ages came about for reasons that has precious little to do with Religion. More the fall of the Roman Empire and iiteracy of most in western Europe. Munks and Nunns instigated much of the litracy schooling that lead to the eventual enlightenment. I am not the only man of faith on this site and people of all beleifs and non have a part to play defeating the virus.its not some biblical plauge its just a very Naighty bug!" Religion has always known that science and reason is the enemy of superstition I guess we could go back and forward on it but it just seems so trivial at the moment  | |||
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"Today my local mosque was advertising for women who have already had Covid-19 to be trained in ritual washing of the dead. Only women? I could be wrong but I think it's only women who perform that ritual in Islam" You are wrong! Men are not allowed to cleanse bodies of dead females.  | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark ages" Ah the dark ages - a concept devoid of meaning or historical accuracy... Our dark ages, when great literary works were being produced by Gildas or Bede, or the anonymous author of the Mabinogion, were also the golden age of Islamic science. | |||
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"I notice God isnt really doing fuck all either. Coincidence?" He's sitting on his cloud watching his great plan all unfold as usual Probably waiting for medical science to rescue us all. Again | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark agesAh the dark ages - a concept devoid of meaning or historical accuracy... Our dark ages, when great literary works were being produced by Gildas or Bede, or the anonymous author of the Mabinogion, were also the golden age of Islamic science." Mabinogian prose? That was only written down from earlier stories As for Islamic science, that has been greatly exadurated although I see it mentioned ad nausium | |||
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"Churches don't really do much, apart from being places of brainwashing. However there are lots of community groups being set up. " And many of those community groups are set-up by people of the Christian faith. Many of the biggest charities in this country were established by Christians. And most food banks are run by churches. I'm not a fan of the church *at all* - I'm anti, if anything - but it is very inaccurate to suggest churches don't really do much. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy " Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. | |||
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"got a lot of time for Sihks. they support the community and will come out in force to show support. just don't make them angry "Very Wise. I too have great respect for them. | |||
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"Throughout recorded history there are somewhere between 8,000 to 12,000 gods. In modern day it's around 24 currently worshipped gods. So it you believe in one of those gods; for example anyone of Christian, Jewish or Muslim faith, then that's 7,999 to 11,000 gods that you don't believe in. If your only counting modern that's just 23. Atheist just go one more." Well Christians, Muslims Jews and Sihks. All beleive in the same God.so not sure what that does to your maths. Never was much good at Maths myself. | |||
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"It's possible that there are lots of religious groups setting up to help their own in times of need. I guess unless you on their mailing lists you are unlikely to know if there is provision. " Well I would hope anyone who discribes themselves as beliving in a Loving God would help anyone and not just thier own. Its part of the point about the story of thr Good Samaritan. | |||
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"Not seen anything myself either The most responsible thing they can do is to cancel services, especially given their demographic I did see a clip of Muslim leader in Iran claiming that the virus won't infect the believers A week later he was dead Does not mean he was wrong just not the believers in that God myth Going on pasta sales the spaghetti monster could be the one he should have believed in "Muslims wash there hands alot because of there faith, Viruses only have one enemy Humans, also it don't care who, what, and why it got one purpose to survive and spread in ideal environment, 37.5'c, also it takes the best minds on the planet to prevent viruses though you do get your Clever but not very wise scientists creating them. | |||
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"Today my local mosque was advertising for women who have already had Covid-19 to be trained in ritual washing of the dead. Only women? I could be wrong but I think it's only women who perform that ritual in Islam" It has to be of the same gender as the person's body they are bathing. Men wash men women wash women. Children can be bathed by either gender. It's generally relatives that wash the body but they have to perform the ritual of washing the body and shrouding. There's specific requirements for women. Since increase of deaths the amount of women trained in the bathing and burial ritual is not enough for the deaths predicted. The men couldn't do the rituals on a woman so it's not surprising more women are needed. Even though it's traditionally males of the family completing the rituals often than not for women completing them they don't know the person the are bathing just from lack of women taught the rituals. The rituals are complex and differ between ages and genders. Quite different to Christian rituals and funerals. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk." Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? " Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. " In terms of Christian belief the way it has been explained to me God cast satan to the earth and so the earth is satan's domain. Therefore do not expect heavenly things on earth. I like the bible. It's where I was told to swing. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. " Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it?" No he is actually saying If an ignighter of the universe existed it had no idea or intention that either viruses or humans would or could exist Nor did that ignighter plan that the humans it did not know would exist would or would not have free will. we know that not all that we call human have free will some are born with such a disposition either psychologically or physically that the concept of any action being a choice or act of their" will" would just be a non sequitur xxx Oddly though I often find some who hope an ignition concept exists also give it the attribute of sentient orchestator that being is the one I deem sadistic Hell even I could not argue against a non sentient metaphoric spark that had not impact upon the universe than to accidentally move randomly x | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? No he is actually saying If an ignighter of the universe existed it had no idea or intention that either viruses or humans would or could exist Nor did that ignighter plan that the humans it did not know would exist would or would not have free will. we know that not all that we call human have free will some are born with such a disposition either psychologically or physically that the concept of any action being a choice or act of their" will" would just be a non sequitur xxx Oddly though I often find some who hope an ignition concept exists also give it the attribute of sentient orchestator that being is the one I deem sadistic Hell even I could not argue against a non sentient metaphoric spark that had not impact upon the universe than to accidentally move randomly x" Ah I see And of course if one postulates an ignitor then we're only left with question of who ignited the ignitor Or commonly known as an infinite regress | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? No he is actually saying If an ignighter of the universe existed it had no idea or intention that either viruses or humans would or could exist Nor did that ignighter plan that the humans it did not know would exist would or would not have free will. we know that not all that we call human have free will some are born with such a disposition either psychologically or physically that the concept of any action being a choice or act of their" will" would just be a non sequitur xxx Oddly though I often find some who hope an ignition concept exists also give it the attribute of sentient orchestator that being is the one I deem sadistic Hell even I could not argue against a non sentient metaphoric spark that had not impact upon the universe than to accidentally move randomly x Ah I see And of course if one postulates an ignitor then we're only left with question of who ignited the ignitor Or commonly known as an infinite regress" If one postulates nothing can exist or move without an igniter then yes Pretty much infinitely | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? Yes exactly." I don't really get that though to be honest Certainly if you're a Christian then you are made an offer to accept a human sacrifice that you had no part in. If you choose not to accept this then you can go burn in hell. This is not free will | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark agesAh the dark ages - a concept devoid of meaning or historical accuracy... Our dark ages, when great literary works were being produced by Gildas or Bede, or the anonymous author of the Mabinogion, were also the golden age of Islamic science. Mabinogian prose? That was only written down from earlier stories As for Islamic science, that has been greatly exadurated although I see it mentioned ad nausium" much of great literature is just oral traditions and narratives written down - the point is that those socieities could support the production of literature by authors. Your assertions would, of course, be much more convincing if your spelling were little less eccentric, and if they had some evidence or sources... | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark agesAh the dark ages - a concept devoid of meaning or historical accuracy... Our dark ages, when great literary works were being produced by Gildas or Bede, or the anonymous author of the Mabinogion, were also the golden age of Islamic science. Mabinogian prose? That was only written down from earlier stories As for Islamic science, that has been greatly exadurated although I see it mentioned ad nausiummuch of great literature is just oral traditions and narratives written down - the point is that those socieities could support the production of literature by authors. Your assertions would, of course, be much more convincing if your spelling were little less eccentric, and if they had some evidence or sources..." You didn't need the comma after eccentric | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? Yes exactly. I don't really get that though to be honest Certainly if you're a Christian then you are made an offer to accept a human sacrifice that you had no part in. If you choose not to accept this then you can go burn in hell. This is not free will" My understanding of Christianity is a relationship with God. "No one comes to the father but through me". It's not really coercion. It's a case of if you don't want to know me fine but then don't expect to live in my house. I don't subscribe to it but it makes sense to me. From the perspective of church activity, I signed up with my local parish and as a volunteer with NHS on the same day. I'm still waiting for NHS to verify me, but already have my first prescription pickup via the church. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? Yes exactly. I don't really get that though to be honest Certainly if you're a Christian then you are made an offer to accept a human sacrifice that you had no part in. If you choose not to accept this then you can go burn in hell. This is not free will My understanding of Christianity is a relationship with God. "No one comes to the father but through me". It's not really coercion. It's a case of if you don't want to know me fine but then don't expect to live in my house. I don't subscribe to it but it makes sense to me. From the perspective of church activity, I signed up with my local parish and as a volunteer with NHS on the same day. I'm still waiting for NHS to verify me, but already have my first prescription pickup via the church. " Except that's not the offer that is being made to you, although I'm sure that is how Christians will sell it to you. It's how they get you through the door and preaching about hellfire doesn't go down well these days. Besides that, if the God of the old testament invited me into his house I'd run a bloody mile Good on you for helping out at your church. Despite what I've previously said I have found most church goers to be friendly enough, despite their beliefs | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? Yes exactly. I don't really get that though to be honest Certainly if you're a Christian then you are made an offer to accept a human sacrifice that you had no part in. If you choose not to accept this then you can go burn in hell. This is not free will My understanding of Christianity is a relationship with God. "No one comes to the father but through me". It's not really coercion. It's a case of if you don't want to know me fine but then don't expect to live in my house. I don't subscribe to it but it makes sense to me. From the perspective of church activity, I signed up with my local parish and as a volunteer with NHS on the same day. I'm still waiting for NHS to verify me, but already have my first prescription pickup via the church. Except that's not the offer that is being made to you, although I'm sure that is how Christians will sell it to you. It's how they get you through the door and preaching about hellfire doesn't go down well these days. Besides that, if the God of the old testament invited me into his house I'd run a bloody mile Good on you for helping out at your church. Despite what I've previously said I have found most church goers to be friendly enough, despite their beliefs "I should also say that the conversation has meandered slightly from from the OPs original question Its not a discussion I'm reluctant to have but may be better on another thread | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. Forgive me if I am wrong however to my understanding a believer in a creator knows their creator meticulously designed and orchestrated everything also knowing the implications of everything it meticulously designed I cannot help but feel uneasy about anyone who worships a sadist concept Totally respect their right and desire to do so just as they should understand why it makes me feel uneasy Well no wish to preach here. The docteine of feee will puts the responsability on us. All of us. We are NOT the puppets of God. We choose the path we walk. Then I choose a path without parasites. I can understand why they could evolve no idea why they would be created and even less idea why they are considered anything to do with free will in absolutely certain a human could practice free will without the concept of parasites There are a great deal of things that do not exist yet I'm able to practice free will Please explain how the absence of tuberculosis, maleria or corvid 19 would result in any detriment to the biblical concept of moral free will ? Can i start by saying how greatful to everyone Iam on this thread for being genuine and respectful of each other on a topic rarely debated on fab in such a way. Love the Spiggeti monster but preffer the Cookie Monster. Again not really wishing to preach but your arguemnt seams to revolve around traditional Creationism and pre-destination theory. Frankly many modern Christians take evolution for fact, even if kicked off by God. The time line of the Cration story and Evolution is broadly in line. One day or a million years seams conceptual to the idea of eternity. Just stop and think about the number 8(rotate 90°) for a few minutes. Also Bang and let there be light have no actual practicle diference in Physics. So its fair to say the Virus is NOT directly a creation of God. Consequencial perhaps but a delibarate act? No. Second my point about free will is that it is how we as people act and react to the virus, and particulalry each other that we have choice over. A loving God has an oppinion about what She would like us to do, but does not enforce that on us. We are free to buy all the toilet roll and pasta and hide under the Dovet or go out and help others. So to say that its a sadistic God is not really fair as it is the behaviour of we the people that is either cruel or devine. Genuine question, are you saying that God gives us free will but it's up to us how we use it? Yes exactly. I don't really get that though to be honest Certainly if you're a Christian then you are made an offer to accept a human sacrifice that you had no part in. If you choose not to accept this then you can go burn in hell. This is not free will My understanding of Christianity is a relationship with God. "No one comes to the father but through me". It's not really coercion. It's a case of if you don't want to know me fine but then don't expect to live in my house. I don't subscribe to it but it makes sense to me. From the perspective of church activity, I signed up with my local parish and as a volunteer with NHS on the same day. I'm still waiting for NHS to verify me, but already have my first prescription pickup via the church. Except that's not the offer that is being made to you, although I'm sure that is how Christians will sell it to you. It's how they get you through the door and preaching about hellfire doesn't go down well these days. Besides that, if the God of the old testament invited me into his house I'd run a bloody mile Good on you for helping out at your church. Despite what I've previously said I have found most church goers to be friendly enough, despite their beliefs "My belief system comes from a corny movie. You are part of the problem, part of the solution, or part of the landscape. Anton Le Vey in his satanic bible prescribes that there is no satan but rather the worship of one's self. The biggest celebration on the satanic calendar is one's own birthday according to him. Jesus said that he had a new commandment. That we love one another. You're right the old testament God got pretty mean at times so that's why I swing. I love everyone  | |||
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"In Leeds the Muslim mosques and Sikh temples are arranging food collections with deliveries to vulnerable people. " I made up a couple of food boxes for vulnerable people and a local church in Wakefield collected them for me so churches are doing their bit. | |||
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"Not seen anything myself either The most responsible thing they can do is to cancel services, especially given their demographic I did see a clip of Muslim leader in Iran claiming that the virus won't infect the believers A week later he was dead" He said when he gets ill he drinks holy water. | |||
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"Not seen anything myself either The most responsible thing they can do is to cancel services, especially given their demographic I did see a clip of Muslim leader in Iran claiming that the virus won't infect the believers A week later he was dead He said when he gets ill he drinks holy water. " What a genius. I have a funny feeling that these kind of people will be looking to science when it comes to the crunch | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. " Maybe connected to Ramadan I saw an article on FB about local Muslims delivering food to the vulnerable. Unrelated: haven't there been issues in America with some churches still holding services? Maybe we'll get more about it being the wrath of God in the aftermath. Religion has a knack of reinterpreted the past to its advantage. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. Maybe connected to Ramadan I saw an article on FB about local Muslims delivering food to the vulnerable. Unrelated: haven't there been issues in America with some churches still holding services? Maybe we'll get more about it being the wrath of God in the aftermath. Religion has a knack of reinterpreted the past to its advantage. " They did the same when hurricane Katrina struck, blamed it on the adulterers and sodomites Funny how the French quarter in New Orleans was left virtually untouched | |||
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"got a lot of time for Sihks. they support the community and will come out in force to show support. just don't make them angry "I'm with this guy! I'm completely non religious in any way and especially annoyed by the hypocrisy of organised religions, but each to their own? I have met many diversley differently religious people in my time and spent a lot of time around both the muslin and sikh communities and have always been impressed very much by the lovely attitude of Sikhs in general. What a courteous and friendly sect they are. And this was before I was aware of their tradition of feeding anyone in need from their temples! What an unselfish and non publicity seeking charitable act! If only the rest of us were a little more like that instead of the negativity of some of the better known religion? | |||
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I'm with this guy! I'm completely non religious in any way and especially annoyed by the hypocrisy of organised religions, but each to their own? I have met many diversley differently religious people in my time and spent a lot of time around both the muslin and sikh communities and have always been impressed very much by the lovely attitude of Sikhs in general. What a courteous and friendly sect they are. And this was before I was aware of their tradition of feeding anyone in need from their temples! What an unselfish and non publicity seeking charitable act! If only the rest of us were a little more like that instead of the negativity of some of the better known religion?"Totally agree Sikhs generally are a wonderful people and religion, obviously there are always bad apples but that is human nature. Like you said they do a lot of work for the community but do not seek publicity. One of their values is ‘selfless service’ which means they do work for others without expecting anything in return. Their temples have been a haven for homeless people and offering free food on a daily basis. Even now temples are closed but they are still providing food parcels for the homeless. We can certainly learn a thing or two from Sikhs. | |||
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"Churches don't really do much, apart from being places of brainwashing. However there are lots of community groups being set up. And many of those community groups are set-up by people of the Christian faith. Many of the biggest charities in this country were established by Christians. And most food banks are run by churches. I'm not a fan of the church *at all* - I'm anti, if anything - but it is very inaccurate to suggest churches don't really do much. " And many people of faith go out and help in community groups not necessarily linked to any religion or place of worship x | |||
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I'm with this guy! I'm completely non religious in any way and especially annoyed by the hypocrisy of organised religions, but each to their own? I have met many diversley differently religious people in my time and spent a lot of time around both the muslin and sikh communities and have always been impressed very much by the lovely attitude of Sikhs in general. What a courteous and friendly sect they are. And this was before I was aware of their tradition of feeding anyone in need from their temples! What an unselfish and non publicity seeking charitable act! If only the rest of us were a little more like that instead of the negativity of some of the better known religion?"One of the top 5 a sect? But Sikhism is the most unpatriarchal of all them and more egalitarian in all other ways too. The newest and the best really. | |||
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"There is a church being investigated for selling a COVID19 healing kit. Oil and some red string. £91. " This to me is again the exploitation of the poor and gullible? Where is the money going? If it's being donated to a good cause, more power to them? If kept 'in house' then shame on their profitering. | |||
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"got a lot of time for Sihks. they support the community and will come out in force to show support. just don't make them angry
I'm with this guy! I'm completely non religious in any way and especially annoyed by the hypocrisy of organised religions, but each to their own? I have met many diversley differently religious people in my time and spent a lot of time around both the muslin and sikh communities and have always been impressed very much by the lovely attitude of Sikhs in general. What a courteous and friendly sect they are. And this was before I was aware of their tradition of feeding anyone in need from their temples! What an unselfish and non publicity seeking charitable act! If only the rest of us were a little more like that instead of the negativity of some of the better known religion?
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But Sikhism is the most unpatriarchal of all them and more egalitarian in all other ways too. The newest and the best really."Sorry possible incorrect term used but I'm sure most less pedants will appreciate the positivity of my overall thought? | |||
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"Churches benefit from some pretty substantial tax breaks so I would hope they're playing their part I'm sure there are just as many non believers working their socks off too" Same. Sure there are loads of non beleivers working hard to help. Only the ops question was spacific. | |||
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"I've seen people of all faiths and none offering help. I don't belong to a church so I don't know if they're doing anything but maybe they are and just getting on with it quietly" This is the likely option. Plenty goes on without people noticing it. | |||
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"got a lot of time for Sihks. they support the community and will come out in force to show support. just don't make them angry
I'm with this guy! I'm completely non religious in any way and especially annoyed by the hypocrisy of organised religions, but each to their own? I have met many diversley differently religious people in my time and spent a lot of time around both the muslin and sikh communities and have always been impressed very much by the lovely attitude of Sikhs in general. What a courteous and friendly sect they are. And this was before I was aware of their tradition of feeding anyone in need from their temples! What an unselfish and non publicity seeking charitable act! If only the rest of us were a little more like that instead of the negativity of some of the better known religion?
One of the top 5 a sect?
But Sikhism is the most unpatriarchal of all them and more egalitarian in all other ways too. The newest and the best really.
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"I imagine that to the church as every thing that happens is God's will that means this virus is God's will, so there fore they just have to wait it out and see if God likes them or not. " Indeed, at the very least God sat back and watched this all unfold | |||
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"I've seen people of all faiths and none offering help. I don't belong to a church so I don't know if they're doing anything but maybe they are and just getting on with it quietly" This is about it for me too. There's a lot of overlap with my non religious group and the religious groups in my area, all stepping up and adapting. There's a time and a place to criticise organised religion (I'm all for it), but now isn't it. I'm seeing them using their resources for good. | |||
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"I've seen people of all faiths and none offering help. I don't belong to a church so I don't know if they're doing anything but maybe they are and just getting on with it quietly This is the likely option. Plenty goes on without people noticing it." Quite. You also have to remember for a lot of Churches their congregations are elderly and unable to put themselves at risk. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers?" Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought." Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe | |||
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" i have been told that you cant use there cars but their still charging for them " Are you thinking of funeral directors rather than the church ? | |||
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" i have been told that you cant use there cars but their still charging for them Are you thinking of funeral directors rather than the church ?" My assumption too, we had a funeral just before lock down and were able to use cars. I know unless there is a screen there is no way to socially distance for their drivers so would think that's why for now its just the hearse.. Not sure about the having to pay etc, sounds like he said she said.. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe " It might be. But it's a bit harsh to go there I think. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe " No, no. We still know how viruses work. We still understand science (indeed I have a degree in it). We are still part of society and have the same hopes, fears and wishes that others do. I suppose I am one of ‘they’ that you refer to. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe No, no. We still know how viruses work. We still understand science (indeed I have a degree in it). We are still part of society and have the same hopes, fears and wishes that others do. I suppose I am one of ‘they’ that you refer to. " It depends on the particular interpretation of religious texts etc. (I'm on your side on this one btw. Not all religious people deny modern medicine... obviously) | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe No, no. We still know how viruses work. We still understand science (indeed I have a degree in it). We are still part of society and have the same hopes, fears and wishes that others do. I suppose I am one of ‘they’ that you refer to. It depends on the particular interpretation of religious texts etc. (I'm on your side on this one btw. Not all religious people deny modern medicine... obviously)" Thank you. But that’s like anything isn’t it? It’s all open to interpretation. We all see things differently. It just annoys me that because I attend church I’m seen as somehow backward. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe No, no. We still know how viruses work. We still understand science (indeed I have a degree in it). We are still part of society and have the same hopes, fears and wishes that others do. I suppose I am one of ‘they’ that you refer to. It depends on the particular interpretation of religious texts etc. (I'm on your side on this one btw. Not all religious people deny modern medicine... obviously) Thank you. But that’s like anything isn’t it? It’s all open to interpretation. We all see things differently. It just annoys me that because I attend church I’m seen as somehow backward. " More or less. There are so many different denominations of Christianity | |||
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"There are lots of people helping others in this crisis .religious or non religious. Its not a competition . Was raised catholic but now I'm an atheist and have been feeding the homeless for years and on occasions interact with various churches. I just see them as other compassionate people or groups .my only bug bear is people cherry picking the bits they want out of their various books and being hypocritical. " I'm certainly side by side with my religious brethren for the most part here. | |||
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"I walked by my local church yesterday and saw the 'no entry covid' sign on the door and couldn't help but wonder how they rationalise this Would God not protect the true believers? Some churches, not in the UK, are taking this line. Many religious people can exercise rational thought. Yes I've seen a few in the US are refusing to close. But in a weird way that seems more conducive to what they must believe No, no. We still know how viruses work. We still understand science (indeed I have a degree in it). We are still part of society and have the same hopes, fears and wishes that others do. I suppose I am one of ‘they’ that you refer to. " I didnt say otherwise. But personally I dont see faith and science as being compatible But hey, you're free to believe whatever you like | |||
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"Sorry i see No contradiction bettween faith and Science what so ever. Bettween Religion and Science and Faith and Religion perhaps. People often ask me what is the difference?. Religion is a set of rules faith a group of beliefs. In the Christian context its the Letter of the law vs the spirit of the thing. While that is open to greater variation Christians beleive in a personal relationship with God. In that context it really would be weird if everyone had the identical codefied relationship. As for science i pose a simple question, what is the difference bettween,"let thier be light!" and Bang! To my limited understanding of physics actually Nothing. The only difference i can see is that Bang came out of 100s of years of study experiment and logic. "Let there be light" a single moment of faith. Faith does not denie science its science that denies faith. " Faith is believing something that there is no evidence for. Science and the scientific method is wholly evidence based | |||
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"Sorry i see No contradiction bettween faith and Science what so ever. Bettween Religion and Science and Faith and Religion perhaps. People often ask me what is the difference?. Religion is a set of rules faith a group of beliefs. In the Christian context its the Letter of the law vs the spirit of the thing. While that is open to greater variation Christians beleive in a personal relationship with God. In that context it really would be weird if everyone had the identical codefied relationship. As for science i pose a simple question, what is the difference bettween,"let thier be light!" and Bang! To my limited understanding of physics actually Nothing. The only difference i can see is that Bang came out of 100s of years of study experiment and logic. "Let there be light" a single moment of faith. Faith does not denie science its science that denies faith. Faith is believing something that there is no evidence for. Science and the scientific method is wholly evidence based " It’s not quite like that... Faith is believing in and being absolutely certain of what you hope for and cannot yet see, so you never , ever lose hope or despair. It’s also a compass so you never get lost. Science is the method of advancing and invention , research builds on previous research making new theories and discoveries , often disproving previous ones. The two are different things and not mutually exclusive - you can have both - as many of the worlds leading scientists have very strong faith. | |||
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"In our area there are some organisations and individuals arranging help for the vulnerable neighbours during this very difficult time, but I’ve not noticed the church, C of E or Catholic doing anything, they seem to be keeping their heads down. I’m wondering what’s your experience? What are the other churches Muslims, Jews, Scientologist et al doing. There not keeping the heads down in shame, if someone has devoted there life too attend church and told they can't attend the most important time Easter, not rabbits and eggs there in your local sex shop, but truthfully +Jesus was a man who was crucified because his teachings, he suffered+. Why do people have it in for people who believe in God, Atheists I love you all too bits, but sometimes I get the feeling you envy those who have believe again leave the religion out of the equation, this Virus is affecting every walk of live it doesn't say i infect him or her, because they are......it's only enemy's is us our scientists (love science as well). We all start pointing fingers at each other where will it get us? I love this site for the diversity of people, lol government think we're all shagging away through this pandemic, just out curiosity I'm starting a poll. But just think where medical science could be now if we hadn't had the dark agesAh the dark ages - a concept devoid of meaning or historical accuracy... Our dark ages, when great literary works were being produced by Gildas or Bede, or the anonymous author of the Mabinogion, were also the golden age of Islamic science. Mabinogian prose? That was only written down from earlier stories As for Islamic science, that has been greatly exadurated although I see it mentioned ad nausium" They could spell though. | |||
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"Sorry i see No contradiction bettween faith and Science what so ever. Bettween Religion and Science and Faith and Religion perhaps. People often ask me what is the difference?. Religion is a set of rules faith a group of beliefs. In the Christian context its the Letter of the law vs the spirit of the thing. While that is open to greater variation Christians beleive in a personal relationship with God. In that context it really would be weird if everyone had the identical codefied relationship. As for science i pose a simple question, what is the difference bettween,"let thier be light!" and Bang! To my limited understanding of physics actually Nothing. The only difference i can see is that Bang came out of 100s of years of study experiment and logic. "Let there be light" a single moment of faith. Faith does not denie science its science that denies faith. Faith is believing something that there is no evidence for. Science and the scientific method is wholly evidence based It’s not quite like that... Faith is believing in and being absolutely certain of what you hope for and cannot yet see, so you never , ever lose hope or despair. It’s also a compass so you never get lost. Science is the method of advancing and invention , research builds on previous research making new theories and discoveries , often disproving previous ones. The two are different things and not mutually exclusive - you can have both - as many of the worlds leading scientists have very strong faith. " I certainly agree that its believing in things that you hope for but just because you want to believe something it doesn't make it true | |||
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"There are lots of people helping others in this crisis .religious or non religious. Its not a competition . Was raised catholic but now I'm an atheist and have been feeding the homeless for years and on occasions interact with various churches. I just see them as other compassionate people or groups .my only bug bear is people cherry picking the bits they want out of their various books and being hypocritical. " Agreed - loads of people and groups working so hard, just the government need to pull thier finger out
Seen some good local church stuff, volunteering and shopping for the elderly etc checking in on lonely people and not just church members doing it, good churches just help organise and administer it , it’s the kind of thing they are on with all the time anyway. Also lots and lots of great work by companies , we’ve actually bought and delivered 25k food parcels , 1500 items of ppe ( we don’t count single gloves like Hancock does), thousands of test kits, we’re now on with buying ambulances and even building molecular labs, all through company profits and staff donations | |||
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"Sorry i see No contradiction bettween faith and Science what so ever. Bettween Religion and Science and Faith and Religion perhaps. People often ask me what is the difference?. Religion is a set of rules faith a group of beliefs. In the Christian context its the Letter of the law vs the spirit of the thing. While that is open to greater variation Christians beleive in a personal relationship with God. In that context it really would be weird if everyone had the identical codefied relationship. As for science i pose a simple question, what is the difference bettween,"let thier be light!" and Bang! To my limited understanding of physics actually Nothing. The only difference i can see is that Bang came out of 100s of years of study experiment and logic. "Let there be light" a single moment of faith. Faith does not denie science its science that denies faith. Faith is believing something that there is no evidence for. Science and the scientific method is wholly evidence based It’s not quite like that... Faith is believing in and being absolutely certain of what you hope for and cannot yet see, so you never , ever lose hope or despair. It’s also a compass so you never get lost. Science is the method of advancing and invention , research builds on previous research making new theories and discoveries , often disproving previous ones. The two are different things and not mutually exclusive - you can have both - as many of the worlds leading scientists have very strong faith. I certainly agree that its believing in things that you hope for but just because you want to believe something it doesn't make it true" That’s possibly because you haven’t experienced faith working. Bear in mind anything in the realm of “supernatural” is going to be impossible to apply conventional logic , by definition. But you are right just because you might want something arbitrary to happen it doesn’t mean it will. People of strong faith typically align their wants and needs to the forces they believe in | |||
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