FabSwingers.com forum: Anyone else think the worlds gone nuts???

By *landfordfabbers OP Couple
over a year ago

Blandford ish

We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

At last some real sense. While any death is sad to those concerned, how many deaths this winter from ‘normal’ flu and such like?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's not a "cold" FFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At last some real sense. While any death is sad to those concerned, how many deaths this winter from ‘normal’ flu and such like? "

They are still dying this a new threat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The world leaders are putting the whole planet on some form of restrictions, there is a global crisis financially as a result and it's going to get a shit load worse, possibly a global recession. Does anyone seriously think this is just like flu? Life is never going to return to the way it was for quite a lot of people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's nuts that people on here are still putting meet today in that section.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly, op, you really need to improve your understanding of what's going on. This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken. In the USA it's over two million. Do you think this is acceptable? How many of your friends and family would you be happy to see die before something was done? Get your information from trusted sources rather than down the pub.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

The OP make some good points. Yes the virus is a serious issue on many levels but needs to be kept in perspective.

As I keep repeating 100,000+ people die every year in the UK from Coronary Heart disease and McDonald's and the chippies are still open.

Big recession coming - get ready for years more austerity so that the quantitative easing money ca go upwards to the corporations and billionaires.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly, op, you really need to improve your understanding of what's going on. This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken. In the USA it's over two million. Do you think this is acceptable? How many of your friends and family would you be happy to see die before something was done? Get your information from trusted sources rather than down the pub."

Actually more than that, t this went unchecked the NHS would crash and burn within a week, there would be deaths and infections this and that sickness going about, bodies rotting everywhere. Doesn't bare thinking about

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The OP make some good points. Yes the virus is a serious issue on many levels but needs to be kept in perspective.

As I keep repeating 100,000+ people die every year in the UK from Coronary Heart disease and McDonald's and the chippies are still open.

Big recession coming - get ready for years more austerity so that the quantitative easing money ca go upwards to the corporations and billionaires."

And this is up to half a million additional deaths which we can prevent if we all take care of each other.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken. "

Even if true there have been that many avoidable deaths in the UK in the last 4 years (from things like Coronary heart disease -see my previous post). My figures are from the ONS data "Avoidable mortality in the UK" BTW

No excitement or hysteria about those - last time I looked plenty of people were still ordering extra fries and taking no exercise.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken.

No excitement or hysteria about those - last time I looked plenty of people were still ordering extra fries and taking no exercise."

Unfortunately new and unknown is sexy and people ignore the public health interventions on ongoing threats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

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By *nvioletMan
over a year ago

Thanet/Kent

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society "

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've changed my stance on this since we went to the next stage.

Sorry to say op but this is serious, and all you're doing is putting vulnerable people at risk to not follow advice. If this virus mutates and starts killing people without underlying conditions, we're all fucked. It isn't flu or a cold. Heed the warnings of medical scientists

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By *uffnmuffCouple
over a year ago

London

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

"
oh well said someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

oh well said someone who actually knows what they are talking about. "

Green new deal anyone?

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By *ancardiff7Man
over a year ago

Near Cowbridge

One food thing about COVID-19 is that it highlight the stupid, ignorant and selfish very well. Some people are all three

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths."

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One food thing about COVID-19 is that it highlight the stupid, ignorant and selfish very well. Some people are all three

Couldn’t have put it better!

mrs x

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By *lutinnylons69TV/TS
over a year ago

Daventry

Thinking of opening a new style restaurant called Covid19 people sit minimum 2 metres apart. They are given a pack on arrival including such items as a face mask with a hole in it in which to insert a fully biodegradable straw which has to be put into a plastic non biodegradable bag and then bagged again by the diner once they have finished their meal and posted in a bin that is next to their table.

Gloves are also included in the pack. They pre order using their own phone while making a reservation. There will only be a short wait once arrived. Just time to ensure mask etc fitted correctly. There will be a maximum of 8 diners as this will be the compulsory seating capacity in the future.

Food will be delivered by AI through fully automated trolleys on fully disposable plates and glasses.

No personal items are to be used while sitting in the restaurant. This includes mobile phones...there is always something good to come out of something very bad.

There is no truth in the rumour that the soundtrack most often heard playing in said restaurant would be Fever.

It's all very serious and crazy and I wish people would be more considerate to others but hey we are the inhuman race are we not?

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

At last - some sense. My pessimistic estimate is as follows in a completely uncontrolled spread;

Population say 64 million.

80% get it = 51 million.

4% need hospital treatment = 2 million.

But the hospital treatment won't be available because the NHS would be completely overwhelmed. So that gives potentially 2 million deaths. Of course it would be toned down by timing and other factors. This is serious OP.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Totally over the top

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this."

And it isn't flu, it's a respiratory illness.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

"
yup...this is my view. But it has reduced me to sitting waiting for a local shop to unload its delivery because there are just empty shelves at asda /morrisons and Tesco x

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By *ebbie tvTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

yup...this is my view. But it has reduced me to sitting waiting for a local shop to unload its delivery because there are just empty shelves at asda /morrisons and Tesco x"

I do hope these threads are right in time but I believe not. There is a tsunami of death on it's way. For uk worse than italy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do hope these threads are right in time but I believe not. There is a tsunami of death on it's way. For uk worse than italy"

Why do you say this, not trying to argue, just curious

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

At last - some sense. My pessimistic estimate is as follows in a completely uncontrolled spread;

Population say 64 million.

80% get it = 51 million.

4% need hospital treatment = 2 million.

Ok using your numbers as a worst case scenario.

There is talk of this social distancing going on for the next 12 months.

Social distancing probably means most shops still not open.

Schools still shut etc etc.

So how many million of people worldwide do you think will end up homless,jobless, suidicdal.

I feel the number of people that all these lock downs is going to effect and lead to suffering will far outnumber the figure from this virus.

7.7 billion population and 250,000 cases.

Ive looked at the numbers over and over and the actions by goverments around the world isnt matching up the numbers.

Theres somthing there not telling us, somthing feels off about all of this.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society "

And far, far more will die of Covid-19. What is your point?

-Matt

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon

At last - some sense. My pessimistic estimate is as follows in a completely uncontrolled spread;

Population say 64 million.

80% get it = 51 million.

4% need hospital treatment = 2 million.

Ok using your numbers as a worst case scenario.

There is talk of this social distancing going on for the next 12 months.

Social distancing probably means most shops still not open.

Schools still shut etc etc.

So how many million of people worldwide do you think will end up homless,jobless, suidicdal.

I feel the number of people that all these lock downs is going to effect and lead to suffering will far outnumber the figure from this virus.

7.7 billion population and 250,000 cases.

Ive looked at the numbers over and over and the actions by goverments around the world isnt matching up the numbers.

Theres somthing there not telling us, somthing feels off about all of this."

Think you should seriously get real.

Pictures coming out of Italy tell the story.

One of the best medical services in the world and they cannot cope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is all a big lie - they are just preparing us for the meteorite strike coming soon

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By *irenGuy70Man
over a year ago

Cirencester

"This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken.

No excitement or hysteria about those - last time I looked plenty of people were still ordering extra fries and taking no exercise."

Heart disease isn't transmitted from person to person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

*********************

Spot on, in my opinion.

As was once said by some actor in some modern picture from America,

"A person is smart,

People are stupid"

Eva

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

I have friends in China. They have friends who were, in theory, healthy.

Were.

Some are dead. Some are going to be ill for the rest of their lives.

People are not taking this seriously enough. My background was sciences, primarily chemistry... What I've read, what I understand about this, makes me both angry and sad at humanities reactions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a new virus that little is known about by the world’s top scientists, let alone lay people like myself. It’s akin to fighting the proverbial Sci-Fi alien that we know nothing about. Viruses can mutate and a vaccine or cure for COVID-19 may not work on any new strain. What we do know is the least contact we have with others, the less chance of transmission of any form of any virus. My advice is simply listen to the experts (NOT ignorant politicians and U.S. Presidents) and do as they say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d highly recommend watching a programme called ‘Contagion - The BBC 4 Pandemic’. Ironically the BBC did a programme a year ago about Pandemics and got 30,000 people to download an app. The app tracked people’s connections and who they bumped into. The data was then crunched by academics at Cambridge University. At the end of the programme they ran the scenario - it was shocking how many people were affected and how quickly. If your in any doubt at all about the seriousness of the current real pandemic then watch the programme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At last - some sense. My pessimistic estimate is as follows in a completely uncontrolled spread;

Population say 64 million.

80% get it = 51 million.

4% need hospital treatment = 2 million.

Ok using your numbers as a worst case scenario.

There is talk of this social distancing going on for the next 12 months.

Social distancing probably means most shops still not open.

Schools still shut etc etc.

So how many million of people worldwide do you think will end up homless,jobless, suidicdal.

I feel the number of people that all these lock downs is going to effect and lead to suffering will far outnumber the figure from this virus.

7.7 billion population and 250,000 cases.

Ive looked at the numbers over and over and the actions by goverments around the world isnt matching up the numbers.

Theres somthing there not telling us, somthing feels off about all of this."

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The Transformers are on the dark side of the moon..........

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"This is a new virus that little is known about by the world’s top scientists, let alone lay people like myself. It’s akin to fighting the proverbial Sci-Fi alien that we know nothing about. Viruses can mutate and a vaccine or cure for COVID-19 may not work on any new strain. What we do know is the least contact we have with others, the less chance of transmission of any form of any virus. My advice is simply listen to the experts (NOT ignorant politicians and U.S. Presidents) and do as they say. "

Halle. lu. jah.

Thank you for being the voice of sanity.

COVID-19 is a fast mutating virus. Since it's discovery it's mutated again and there are now two strains in the wild... We can't control it, we can't protect against it, we can't cure it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crazy amount of ignorance here if people still think this isn’t a big deal. Folks, just help yourself by spending 10 mins less on Fab and and use the internet to educate yourself.

Nearly as scary as flat earthers.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

"
Very cynical and very stupid

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Crazy amount of ignorance here if people still think this isn’t a big deal. Folks, just help yourself by spending 10 mins less on Fab and and use the internet to educate yourself.

Nearly as scary as flat earthers. "

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Yes

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I guess all those hard-working NHS staff posting photos saying “stay home” are just being scaremongers then, and the situation in hospitals isn’t very serious.

I simply cannot believe how blasé and selfish some people are being about this. Actually - I can

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

At last - some sense. My pessimistic estimate is as follows in a completely uncontrolled spread;

Population say 64 million.

80% get it = 51 million.

4% need hospital treatment = 2 million.

Ok using your numbers as a worst case scenario.

There is talk of this social distancing going on for the next 12 months.

Social distancing probably means most shops still not open.

Schools still shut etc etc.

So how many million of people worldwide do you think will end up homless,jobless, suidicdal.

I feel the number of people that all these lock downs is going to effect and lead to suffering will far outnumber the figure from this virus.

7.7 billion population and 250,000 cases.

Ive looked at the numbers over and over and the actions by goverments around the world isnt matching up the numbers.

Theres somthing there not telling us, somthing feels off about all of this."

So in 4 hours the number of cases has gone up by 50,000 according to your values. Your percent of the population is based on the number of cases today. These numbers will increase exponentially if nothing is done. It will be all over by sept if nothing is done but by then we will hVe had over 500,000 deaths in the UK alone due to the virus.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

"One food thing about COVID-19 is that it highlight the stupid, ignorant and selfish very well. Some people are all three

What annoys me is that countries such as Italy, France, Germany and even China do not have the panic buying. It is widespread in UK, USA, Australia and Canada according to reports.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"One food thing about COVID-19 is that it highlight the stupid, ignorant and selfish very well. Some people are all three

What annoys me is that countries such as Italy, France, Germany and even China do not have the panic buying. It is widespread in UK, USA, Australia and Canada according to reports."

There was panic buying in these countries. Then when people saw the shops could restock and numbers of products were restricted, the panic buying calmed down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What annoys me is that countries such as Italy, France, Germany and even China do not have the panic buying. It is widespread in UK, USA, Australia and Canada according to reports."

Italy did have panic buying, Germany too, so has France.... Just search online and you'll see.

China they didn't have the opportunity to panic buy as their lock down started during Chinese New Year when the shops were all shut anyway

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By *lutinnylons69TV/TS
over a year ago

Daventry

You know a pessimist is only an optimist with experience!

Hold on tight for the ride everyone!

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Anyone who saw the news footage from the Italian hospital today will realise how serious this is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This post makes me sad and angry that despite all experts just falling short of shouting at us, and videos and images of the suffering, there are still people who think they know better.

The world leaders have nothing to gain but massive financial loss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We dont deny its serious, but how many deaths will be a direct result of the economic melt down that happens because of this..every developed country will be trillions deeper in debt and no way to pay it..the world as we knew it has just changed and few can see it...governments passing emergency legislation giving themself powers supposedly to control a medical emergency...and over 15% of the work force get no government aid because they are self employed or own small businesses but contribute massively to the economy...or they did...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths."

Im not sure that is the case the Spanish flu pandemic of the 1920's infected 500 million people around the world, or about 27% of the world population ans was virulent enough to kill 50 million but this isn't that nasty. I saw a post from another thread on the forums that said.

"Swingers clubs need to close because the bodily fluids we like to exchange all carry this virus and we don't yet have a way of preventing the virus taking hold. The slowing down of the rate of transfer is what will allow the NHS to have sufficient treatments available to keep most of us alive."

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Add in the factor that these are 'confirmed' cases and the suspected number of actual cases is at the very least 3 times the confirmed number then that rate drops to 1.25% then add in the factors that the vast majority of deaths are in people with major underlying health conditions and over the age of 70 and we can see this isn't the 'black death' or 'spanish flu' scenario its being purported to be...is it serious yes but bear in mind from the W.H.O's own statistics over 98% of people catching it will not only not die but actually experience symptoms not much worse than a common cold. Yes the rates will probably increase but the underlying factors will remain. Be concerned, be careful and most of all be mindful of those at most risk but please stop going into full panic mode and think we are all going to have to find ways to keep most of us alive.

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By *ubbermaidbabyCouple
over a year ago

clwyd

Being a small family business we’re seriously suffering already, how ever having also had first hand experience of seeing a perfectly healthy athletic person who at the time was 38 almost die from pneumonia, which I believe Coronavirus can bring on then heed the warnings!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember the huge public health effort that went into HIV? That is credited with saving many thousands from death.

The difference between HIV and Covid 19 is the method of transmission. One is passed by close bodily fluids and the other by coughs and sneezes, hence the very different approaches to contain it.

And a last point. God forbid, if your mum/dad/brother are in the mortuary, the death rate becomes more than just an abstract number. It becomes very personal.

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By *oshGirlSATV/TS
over a year ago

swansea

Is anyone not meeting as a result of this?

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

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total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

So on the 15th March 5700 deaths. Today (20th March) over 10,000 deaths. So death rate doubling every 5 days. 20,000 by March 25th. 40,000 by 30th March. 80,000 by 4th April. 160,000 by 9th Aptil. 1.25 million by 24th April. 10 million by 9th May. Yep nothing to worry about

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"At last some real sense. While any death is sad to those concerned, how many deaths this winter from ‘normal’ flu and such like? "

There is normally, on average 8000 deaths from flu in a sector of people with underlying health problems per year. NHS data.

Carona has been found in 144 so far.

The flu season will be over soon.

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

How many deaths by 4th July 2027?

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By *uicy mushroomMan
over a year ago

elephant and Castle

wow, well said

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

They have the highest percentage of older people in Europe, even with this amount dying, they still have the oldest population in Europe.

My worry is, all we are seeing is the surface structure, what’s behind it, what’s the reason for the hype?

Economic experiment?

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By *orfolkmark70Man
over a year ago

Suffolk/Norfolk

When you only test a tiny percentage of people you only get a tiny percentage of cases. UK is only testing those who are hospitalised, we have absolutely no idea how many people are carrying the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no shortage of aluminium foil. I'd suggest the OP goes make a new hat.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"When you only test a tiny percentage of people you only get a tiny percentage of cases. UK is only testing those who are hospitalised, we have absolutely no idea how many people are carrying the virus."

And the difference between Italy and the UK is?

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

They have the highest percentage of older people in Europe, even with this amount dying, they still have the oldest population in Europe.

My worry is, all we are seeing is the surface structure, what’s behind it, what’s the reason for the hype?

Economic experiment?"

Social experiment but also going for a world reset financially

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

4000 have died in 1 MONTH of corona.

That equates to 48000 in a year, and that is at the current rate without growth

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

They have the highest percentage of older people in Europe, even with this amount dying, they still have the oldest population in Europe.

My worry is, all we are seeing is the surface structure, what’s behind it, what’s the reason for the hype?

Economic experiment?

Social experiment but also going for a world reset financially"

Ha ha, so who financially brill gain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These people quoting flu deaths...

News from Italy is that the army has been called in to remove deceased victims to other areas for cremation because the local undertakers can't handle the volume.

Is this your understanding of normal day to day existence with the flu virus?

We are Italy, three weeks delayed.

Why are we in this mess? Because of people who said what's the fuss? It's just hard to believe people are still saying it now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These people quoting flu deaths...

News from Italy is that the army has been called in to remove deceased victims to other areas for cremation because the local undertakers can't handle the volume.

Is this your understanding of normal day to day existence with the flu virus?

We are Italy, three weeks delayed.

Why are we in this mess? Because of people who said what's the fuss? It's just hard to believe people are still saying it now. "

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

4000 have died in 1 MONTH of corona.

That equates to 48000 in a year, and that is at the current rate without growth

That is just flu, not other underlying causes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be a whole different thing if the OP lost someone close because they have been carrying on as normal....

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!!

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"These people quoting flu deaths...

News from Italy is that the army has been called in to remove deceased victims to other areas for cremation because the local undertakers can't handle the volume.

Is this your understanding of normal day to day existence with the flu virus?

We are Italy, three weeks delayed.

Why are we in this mess? Because of people who said what's the fuss? It's just hard to believe people are still saying it now. "

Simple statics are a tad less dramatic than hyped media.

Oh for information, my dad died from the flu, he had a major stomach problem, was too weak to operate on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the Brexit arguments all over again. Arguing over figures just to score an internet point.

Trouble is, the up shot isn’t about sovereignty, trade or immigration. This is about people dying.

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By *ncubussuccubusCouple
over a year ago

Witney

Fuck me sideways... there are still people who think the current situation is some sort of over reaction... I'm amazed at the utter stupidity.

But ok try this...

Start the calculator on your phone.

Type 1x2

then keep pressing =

What you see it a virus infection rate with an R0 of 2. The number on screen is the number of new infections and the number of times you press = is the number of transmission cycles (currently happening every few days).

Note: To get the total infections so far you need to sum the numbers as you go (use Excel). The above only shows new cases...you still have the original cases too.

Then try R0 = 3

ie 1x3 = etc

note the difference.

look how quickly the numbers rise after a slow start... its called 'geometric progression'.. or 'exponential growth' and is why its so bad in Italy at the moment but wasn't a few weeks ago and why it will be bad here soon if fucktards continue to go to events or even the pub..

Ps looks like the R0 is about 2.4 so work it out.

1x2.4 =

Educate and isolate

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By *rank speakerMan
over a year ago

Worcester

Referring to a comment on the news this evening "because of austerity policies over the last few years the health service will struggle to cope..." Draw your own conclusions? Take care everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

4 months in and worldwide deaths have just passed 10,000. This from a contagious airborne respiratory illness passed on by close contact, coughing and sneezing etc.

In the same time period another contagious airborne respiratory ilness has killed 500,000 people....where are the headlines about TB? Why are they not there?

Reason...it tends to kill mostly poor people in third world countries...so western governments dont give a fcuk...simple !

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!! "
it is not flu

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days "

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go

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By *arracksCouple
over a year ago

Deal

"These people quoting flu deaths...

News from Italy is that the army has been called in to remove deceased victims to other areas for cremation because the local undertakers can't handle the volume.

Is this your understanding of normal day to day existence with the flu virus?

We are Italy, three weeks delayed.

Why are we in this mess? Because of people who said what's the fuss? It's just hard to believe people are still saying it now. "
As a healthcare frontline professional,all I can add is please,please heed the advice from NHSE,avoid unnecessary contact,and social distance,keep your circle small and keep safe.Some of us will be treating you,we are respecting the rationale from the expert guidance ,how about you do the same!!

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go "

How many of them had underlying problems?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the people in charge, global business owners and the ridiculously rich are all agreeing to anti social measures which will devastate the economy, you can be certain this is serious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up.

Survival of the smartest not the fittest

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go "

That percentage value was the % of deaths per known known cases. ie the rate has gone up to 4%. Don't start getting clever if you don't understand numbers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These people quoting flu deaths...

News from Italy is that the army has been called in to remove deceased victims to other areas for cremation because the local undertakers can't handle the volume.

Is this your understanding of normal day to day existence with the flu virus?

We are Italy, three weeks delayed.

Why are we in this mess? Because of people who said what's the fuss? It's just hard to believe people are still saying it now.

Simple statics are a tad less dramatic than hyped media.

Oh for information, my dad died from the flu, he had a major stomach problem, was too weak to operate on."

My condolences

Statistically, without intervention we are looking at a scenario similar to the Spanish Flu, except there are much more people and travel much more common place.

If Spanish Flu with a mortality rate of 2.5 on a world population of 1.8 billion caused 50 million deaths, what potential does COVID-19 have with a mortality rate of 3.4 on 7.7 billion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this.

And it isn't flu, it's a respiratory illness. "

You do know that flu is also a respiratory illness...and also another type of corona virus. COVID19 means COrona VIrus D19.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go

How many of them had underlying problems?"

Ask yourself this. Did all the governments around the world take these actions over swine flu, bird flu, SARS? Look st the temporary mortuaries being built around the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There seems to be people almost completely writing off, people with pre existing conditions and the elderly.

Insane.

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK...

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Italian health institute looked at 350 deaths in Italy ,99.2 per cent who died had underlying health problems 50 per cent of those 99.2 had three or more ongoing health problems

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"There seems to be people almost completely writing off, people with pre existing conditions and the elderly.

Insane. "

Well that's what is reported in the news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK..."

So far...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

Take a look at Italy and Spain.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go "

Has to smile.

In 2018 the world population was 7 billion 755 million, forgot the hundred thousand and thousands and 365.

How many have been killed by this strain of flu?

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

"144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK...

So far..."

China have had none for last two days.. Be gone in a month if that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again...

101,917 closed cases. 11,299 deaths. 11%.

That is Case to Fatality Ratio.

Mortality rate can only be estimated once the pandemic is over. And yes ESTIMATED.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK...

So far...

China have had none for last two days.. Be gone in a month if that "

And they are still in partial lockdown. What does that tell you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

Known cases!

There are likely many multiples of that in ACTUAL cases. The mortality rate is different in different countries depending almost entirely on the % of testing.

UK are only testing those who are treated medicalky with serious symptons...so mortality rate seams higher. Other countries testing vastly higher percentages so mortality rate seems much lower.... that's "doing the maths".

Also wort noting that ALL deaths in uk so far had serious underlying health problems. No consolation for those lost or their families I know. But worth noting...

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go

That percentage value was the % of deaths per known known cases. ie the rate has gone up to 4%. Don't start getting clever if you don't understand numbers "

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK...

So far...

China have had none for last two days.. Be gone in a month if that "

China have had no cases from their nationals but they do have cases from people coming back to China. This will spread to their nationals and wave 2 will begin

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

I hope the mods permit me this link. No, it is not from a newspaper or youtube etc. It is a very factual link explaining the current approaches in different countries and some of the numbers and maths behind the impacts:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

It talks about the necessity for a 'hard and fast' response and why lockdown measures are necessary.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

'Keep most of us alive' !!!

This isn't the black death, according to the W.H.O. website as at 15th March 2020:

SITUATION IN NUMBERS

total and new cases in last 24

hours

Globally

153 517 confirmed

(10 982 new)

5735 deaths (343 new) giving an estimated death rate of 3.75%

Fascinated to find where you are getting your figures the latest release from the WHO was on the 17th and the mortality rate rose by 0.3% so not even close to doubling every 5 days

Go to the BBC website. Death toll goes above 10,000. There you go

Has to smile.

In 2018 the world population was 7 billion 755 million, forgot the hundred thousand and thousands and 365.

How many have been killed by this strain of flu?"

Consider that the Spanish Flu lasted 3 years from January 1918 to December 1920. How many died in the first month or two?

Because that's what you are asking.

The issue is what potential does it have unchecked with no measures.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

I do love the way people talk about number of deaths currently and have no idea what the figures are telling us and how the rates are expanding. Come back in 2 months and state the number of deaths.

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

"I do love the way people talk about number of deaths currently and have no idea what the figures are telling us and how the rates are expanding. Come back in 2 months and state the number of deaths."

Well the science expert said lucky if we get under 20,000

Where did he get that figure

Two months this will be all over

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By *acko11Man
over a year ago

Hull

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"I do love the way people talk about number of deaths currently and have no idea what the figures are telling us and how the rates are expanding. Come back in 2 months and state the number of deaths.

Well the science expert said lucky if we get under 20,000

Where did he get that figure

Two months this will be all over "

Come and say to me "told you so" in two months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In case people missed the last 9 years the people of the UK have been screwed over with austerity.

What happened today in the chancellor's speech was almost a reversal of that stance. Supposedly 20 000 letters have been sent to retired NHS staff, reversing years of whitling down...

So who thinks this is in response to a bit of "media hype"?

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By *ig9incherforuMan
over a year ago

Welwyn

"I do love the way people talk about number of deaths currently and have no idea what the figures are telling us and how the rates are expanding. Come back in 2 months and state the number of deaths.

Well the science expert said lucky if we get under 20,000

Where did he get that figure

Two months this will be all over

Come and say to me "told you so" in two months

Gladly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do love the way people talk about number of deaths currently and have no idea what the figures are telling us and how the rates are expanding. Come back in 2 months and state the number of deaths.

Well the science expert said lucky if we get under 20,000

Where did he get that figure

Two months this will be all over

Come and say to me "told you so" in two months

And when you are right they will chastise you for "patting yourself on the back". How do I know? I was having this conversation two months ago.

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By *utecontradictionMan
over a year ago

Malvern

For those that don't think this threat is serious...and that if we did nothing a few people would die can I just tell you this. Someone I know works for our local council. He was given a job 3 weeks ago. Its was to find two separate parcels of land that could be bought immediately that if the virus gets out of control could be used as mass graves.....that's not hysteria and its not hearsay its fact. I was a naysayer at the start but there is too much evidence from the worlds governments reactions that should tell you what could happen if we do nothing. I think the world would have accepted a few hundred thousand deaths world wide but this is about preventing millions of deaths

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this.

And it isn't flu, it's a respiratory illness.

You do know that flu is also a respiratory illness...and also another type of corona virus. COVID19 means COrona VIrus D19."

Have to correct this: Flu is not a coronavirus, it's from the orthimyxiviridae family - SARS-COV-2, the virus everyone calls COVID19, but that actually stands for 'Coronavirus Infectious Disease 19' belongs to the family 'coronaviridae' - of which about 200 members cause the common cold. My credentials/info source? Medical degree and Fellowship in Public Health. Also a swinger ??

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

My friend and her husband came down with symptoms on Saturday. By weds her otherwise fit 57 year old husband was hospitalised and in an induced coma. The average time from symptoms to death is 14 days. This is going to get a whole shit load worse. Please take it seriously.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this.

And it isn't flu, it's a respiratory illness.

You do know that flu is also a respiratory illness...and also another type of corona virus. COVID19 means COrona VIrus D19.

Typo there, on mobile: 'orthomyxoviridae', apologies, fat fingers

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

World went nuts ages agoas soon as people put influencers up on pedestal I knew that we where in trouble!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's do the math.

627 people in Italy lost their lives today.

X365 gives you 228,855 per year.

More than 10 times the amount of people who supposedly die from flu per year in Italy.

The daily figure increases, despite quarantine. Now imagine things without quarantine.

Media hype?

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By *ockman and ThrobbinCouple
over a year ago

Ilford

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

1,414 live births a day in Italy.

1,588 deaths a day average

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Last year there was??an average of 1588 deaths a day in Italy.

At present there are 1516

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last year there was??an average of 1588 deaths a day in Italy.

At present there are 1516"

In Lombardy there are roughly 240 deaths on top of the normal death rate. That's an increase of 80% extra deaths...

https://reason.com/2020/03/17/italian-daily-death-rate-up-20-because-of-coronavirus-lombardy-up-about-80/

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Last year there was??an average of 1588 deaths a day in Italy.

At present there are 1516

In Lombardy there are roughly 240 deaths on top of the normal death rate. That's an increase of 80% extra deaths...

https://reason.com/2020/03/17/italian-daily-death-rate-up-20-because-of-coronavirus-lombardy-up-about-80/"

What if they were put on anti viral drugs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"144 deaths out of 65 million people in the UK...

So far...

China have had none for last two days.. Be gone in a month if that "

There are concerns that what has hit China is simply the first wave (The Lancet).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last year there was??an average of 1588 deaths a day in Italy.

At present there are 1516

In Lombardy there are roughly 240 deaths on top of the normal death rate. That's an increase of 80% extra deaths...

https://reason.com/2020/03/17/italian-daily-death-rate-up-20-because-of-coronavirus-lombardy-up-about-80/

What if they were put on anti viral drugs?"

That's the problem. The medical services are buckling under the pressure. There comes a point where people come in to be treated and die before they even get to see a doctor. People are dying in isolation without even getting to a hospital.

That's why the government's initial concept of "herd immunity" was pure insanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"30,000 people died from Flu last year and no on batted an eyelid, its amazing how the media influences society

Seeing as this has a mortality rate anywhere between 10 and 30 times greater than flu, I'll let you do the maths.

And unlike flu, we have zero immunity to this.

And it isn't flu, it's a respiratory illness.

You do know that flu is also a respiratory illness...and also another type of corona virus. COVID19 means COrona VIrus D19.

I read in the Lancet that 4 "members" cause colds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two months this will be all over "

Not a chance of this being over in 2 months, you can Kiss goodbye to the majority of this year. We may see some upturn by September onwards depending on medical trials.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many things can kill you? Everything from venomous creatures to old age with accidents and crime in between.

Now something comes along that kills nearly as many people as all those things combined and we should just disregard this?

That's just the virus. Now think about how much food it takes to keep 7.7 billion people alive. What will happen if that food chain becomes disrupted? We have shortages now while there is adequate supply. More deaths may result from starvation worldwide than the virus itself.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"This virus has the potential to kill half a million people in the UK this year if no action is taken.

No excitement or hysteria about those - last time I looked plenty of people were still ordering extra fries and taking no exercise."

No excitement or hysteria because deaths from over eating chips isn't dynamically contagious.

The NHS is already at capacity due to a significant number who are ill because they've had a few too many burgers, but the predicted demand they place on services is a gentle curve, conversely coronas is a sharp spike and if the prediction is right services will fail and people will die unnecessarily, many of whom with conditions unconnected to corona, extreme complacency now has the capacity to kill us all.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"In case people missed the last 9 years the people of the UK have been screwed over with austerity.

What happened today in the chancellor's speech was almost a reversal of that stance. Supposedly 20 000 letters have been sent to retired NHS staff, reversing years of whitling down...

So who thinks this is in response to a bit of "media hype"?"

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!! "

It's not flu, that's like saying cancer is just cell growth.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The OP make some good points. Yes the virus is a serious issue on many levels but needs to be kept in perspective.

As I keep repeating 100,000+ people die every year in the UK from Coronary Heart disease and McDonald's and the chippies are still open.

Big recession coming - get ready for years more austerity so that the quantitative easing money ca go upwards to the corporations and billionaires."

I didn’t eat at McDonald’s and bypassed (see what I did there) the chippy but then some thoughtless fucker decided his/or her cough was ok and that going to the shops and coughing everywhere was ok .... so despite efforts to see my children and grandchildren grow and reach their potential some virus killed me.... keeping in perspective we all make life choices for ourselves.... we would never force others to eat pork pies and Big Macs while smoking an endless cheroot that’s would be grotesque ...

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"The OP make some good points. Yes the virus is a serious issue on many levels but needs to be kept in perspective.

As I keep repeating 100,000+ people die every year in the UK from Coronary Heart disease and McDonald's and the chippies are still open.

Big recession coming - get ready for years more austerity so that the quantitative easing money ca go upwards to the corporations and billionaires.

I can only assume there's going to be a big stigma for people coughing.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

"The OP make some good points. Yes the virus is a serious issue on many levels but needs to be kept in perspective.

As I keep repeating 100,000+ people die every year in the UK from Coronary Heart disease and McDonald's and the chippies are still open.

Big recession coming - get ready for years more austerity so that the quantitative easing money ca go upwards to the corporations and billionaires.

I can only assume there's going to be a big stigma for people coughing."

That’s a fair assumption... but not without good reason!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"At last some real sense. While any death is sad to those concerned, how many deaths this winter from ‘normal’ flu and such like?

There is normally, on average 8000 deaths from flu in a sector of people with underlying health problems per year. NHS data.

Carona has been found in 144 so far.

The flu season will be over soon.

Flu deaths don’t double every 3 days! We keep on this trend and we see 8000 deaths a day within a few weeks. There is a political decision do you try to minimise the number of deaths but destroy the economy or allow 500,000 CV patients to die, plus many more accident and none CV illnesses patients because the healthcare service simply can’t treat them? Italy now has 600 deaths a day, soon it will be 1000 a day, 2000 a day.... but it’s only numbers. 40% of those infected over 70 need hospital treatment. Once we saturate care capacity in about 2 weeks time, you may as well put a bullet in any pensioner who gets infected rather than leave them to die in hospital car parks.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"For those that don't think this threat is serious...and that if we did nothing a few people would die can I just tell you this. Someone I know works for our local council. He was given a job 3 weeks ago. Its was to find two separate parcels of land that could be bought immediately that if the virus gets out of control could be used as mass graves.....that's not hysteria and its not hearsay its fact. I was a naysayer at the start but there is too much evidence from the worlds governments reactions that should tell you what could happen if we do nothing. I think the world would have accepted a few hundred thousand deaths world wide but this is about preventing millions of deaths "

Please can you cite the research behind this?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Two months this will be all over

Not a chance of this being over in 2 months, you can Kiss goodbye to the majority of this year. We may see some upturn by September onwards depending on medical trials. "

If infection continues to double every 3 days it really will be over in 2 months! Of course there would also be over 500,000 bodies, any of us may be among them and not necessarily infected with the virus.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"Two months this will be all over

Not a chance of this being over in 2 months, you can Kiss goodbye to the majority of this year. We may see some upturn by September onwards depending on medical trials.

Would love to see the data to prove this.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Yes

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I think part of the problem it is really, really, hard to believe that this is real and happening right now, right here and that we could potentially lose so many people.

It's a real big thing to try to get your head around.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Gurdjieff in his book “beelzebub to his grandson”.

Says , (paraphrasing), when there was storms, the Greek fishermen used to go hide in caves.

They started a game where one side had to create an impossible question, the others side had to create a plausible answer.

They named it science.

To me, political people thrive on it.

Eggs, butter, chickens and we bow down to it.

What’s that line in Watership Down, occasionally one of us goes missing, but we are happy.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I think part of the problem it is really, really, hard to believe that this is real and happening right now, right here and that we could potentially lose so many people.

It's a real big thing to try to get your head around. "

I disagree. I can wrap my head around it quite easily. My mum may not survive. Several of my relatives in Italy may not survive. It’s not difficult for me to understand the possibilities.

But I’m not getting bent out of shape as I’m doing the best I can and I know that what will be will be. I’m not religious either. But I’m hoping for the best, not panicking and certainly not believing the scaremongering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not a cold......its a killer virus ...i dint know wy people dont realize this is not a movie....people are dying..

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"Its not a cold......its a killer virus ...i dint know wy people dont realize this is not a movie....people are dying.."

Viruses kill people every day of the week, the movie is the pan politicians and the media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol fair enough

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

I'm not panicking. Yes my parents might die, but they have to go sometime. I might die but I could get hit by car tommorow and die anyway.

I am surprised by the government reaction, better than I expected but I guess they wanted to win the next election.

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

Seriously your wasting your breath with alot people they have gone that far into panic mode they fail to see the real story here yes of course this is going to take some lives unfortunately but more people will make a full recovery it's just how this virus works that simple I think the more people realise that maybe more calm will be in order and of course be mindful of those with underlying illnesses and elderly people that's one of the main goals here

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

As they should every year without media hype.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

If I believed in Gaia theory. I'd think that it was cleansing itself.

Humanity has survived pandemics before and it will survive this one and come out stronger. We are well overdue it anyway.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"If I believed in Gaia theory. I'd think that it was cleansing itself.

Humanity has survived pandemics before and it will survive this one and come out stronger. We are well overdue it anyway."

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

As they should every year without media hype."

The media isn't helping things either the only messages I want to hear is when there is a vaccine, when can things go back to normal and just reminding people to keep washing hands and keeping a safe distance etc not listening adding up the new cases its this that's scaring people media couldn't careless how people reacts aslong there is a story that simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!!

It's not flu, that's like saying cancer is just cell growth."

It kind of is.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!!

It's not flu, that's like saying cancer is just cell growth.

It kind of is. "

That was kind of my point, but the impact on an individual can be quite catastrophic.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!!

It's not flu, that's like saying cancer is just cell growth.

It kind of is.

That was kind of my point, but the impact on an individual can be quite catastrophic."

CAN be is the operative part of that sentence.

For most thank god it isn’t. So I wish people would stop trying to panic others.

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By *eresa_cdslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Bodmin

And the critical care doctor in Lombardy pointed out that whilst 50% of his ventilated patients were over 65 he was treating a 20 year old and workmates who had succumbed he stated it was pneumonia definitely not flu.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I’m more annoyed and angry over panic buying of food . I work 12hrs shifts in mental health services so nothing left when I get there !!

Also those in the population who panic and scare the rest of the population ... huge issue ... it’s Mother’s Day tomorrow I shall be seeing my 3 sons and grandaughters ... social isolation is a killer especially when you already have mental health issues !!!!

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"At last someone talking sense

Government scaremongering the vulnerable quoting 20000 deaths

People panic buying avoiding human contact

It's flu!!!

It's not flu, that's like saying cancer is just cell growth.

It kind of is.

That was kind of my point, but the impact on an individual can be quite catastrophic.

CAN be is the operative part of that sentence.

For most thank god it isn’t. So I wish people would stop trying to panic others. "

I'm not trying to panic anybody, however there's a stark reality to the current, fast changing situation.

Describing Corona as 'flu' (which was the original post I was responding to) will create a climate of complacency which inevitably will lead to increased proliferation of the disease, collapse of services, increased Corona deaths and increased deaths unrelated to Corona-wait till you see what social disorder and real panic looks like if this disease is not contained.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

CAN be is the operative part of that sentence.

For most thank god it isn’t. So I wish people would stop trying to panic others. "

..and you're right 'can be' is the operative part of the sentence but I don't know many people who are cavalier about their cancer diagnosis or recommended treatment plan.

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By *reeman76Man
over a year ago

oldbury

"I think it's nuts that people on here are still putting meet today in that section.

Yep

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By *ockman and ThrobbinCouple
over a year ago

Ilford

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

Everyone should read this! Why is COVID-19 different from the flu ... this will help you understand the severity.

Most informative description I have read so far! Shared by an NHS colleague to a Coronavirus Group, set up to share advice and support for NHS staff ????

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... i.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens we have a new contagion phase. Depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said ..... I’m frontline staff and reading drivel like that makes my blood boil x

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By *reeman76Man
over a year ago

oldbury

"Is anyone not meeting as a result of this? "

Haha is this a joke?

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

With you on this, the bigger picture is scarier, the fact we can be controlled in this way is freaking me out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We both have “high risk” parents but realistically this whole COVID 19 thing has got our hand!! People on hear slamming others for carrying on like normal! Christ people!!

We have a world population of 7.7 bn and the BBC has just announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 200.000.... cases NOT deaths

So in percentage terms around 0.000026% of the world population.

The only pandemic that exists is the fear that’s being perpetrated.

What we actually need to be concerned about is not a cold virus, but

* Economic and financial meltdown

* Mass unemployment

* Destruction of small businesses

* Food rationing

* Fuel rationing

* Digital currency

* Martial law/loss of freedom

* Medical tyranny

Every day we are being primed to accept a vaccine as the answer to this ‘pandemic’. For which the manufacturers will make billions, while most people in this country face ruin.

Everyone should read this! Why is COVID-19 different from the flu ... this will help you understand the severity.

Most informative description I have read so far! Shared by an NHS colleague to a Coronavirus Group, set up to share advice and support for NHS staff ????

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... i.e. genetics.

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on."

Well said

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Everyone should read this! Why is COVID-19 different from the flu ... this will help you understand the severity.

Most informative description I have read so far! Shared by an NHS colleague to a Coronavirus Group, set up to share advice and support for NHS staff ????

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... i.e. genetics.

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on."

Thanks for this

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

CAN be is the operative part of that sentence.

For most thank god it isn’t. So I wish people would stop trying to panic others.

..and you're right 'can be' is the operative part of the sentence but I don't know many people who are cavalier about their cancer diagnosis or recommended treatment plan."

Who said I was being cavalier??

I’m doing exactly what I’ve been told to do right from the start. I actually turned down work next week at a different company because I felt it wasn’t worth the risk to my health as there are way too many people to come in contact with.

But at the same time I’m not trying to panic people.

A calm, sensible, measures response is not being cavalier.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

They have the highest percentage of older people in Europe, even with this amount dying, they still have the oldest population in Europe.

My worry is, all we are seeing is the surface structure, what’s behind it, what’s the reason for the hype?

Economic experiment?"

I think there's a lot of other things going on.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"About 20,000 die from the flu each year in Italy.

They have the highest percentage of older people in Europe, even with this amount dying, they still have the oldest population in Europe.

My worry is, all we are seeing is the surface structure, what’s behind it, what’s the reason for the hype?

Economic experiment?

I think there's a lot of other things going on. "

This

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

CAN be is the operative part of that sentence.

For most thank god it isn’t. So I wish people would stop trying to panic others.

..and you're right 'can be' is the operative part of the sentence but I don't know many people who are cavalier about their cancer diagnosis or recommended treatment plan.

Who said I was being cavalier??

But at the same time I’m not trying to panic people.

A calm, sensible, measures response is not being cavalier. "

I didn't say you were being cavalier, I was qualifying a statement I'd previously made which you responded to.

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

It is awful that there is another thing that is killing people, but how many of the deaths were "expected" and they just happened to have the virus in their system at the time of death?

On average 500,000 people die each year in the UK, 1,373 per day.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

What always gets me is here we are with unanimous world wide medical and political opinion being that this is serious and that drastic measures are necessary, but randoms on a swingers site thing they know better...

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

"What always gets me is here we are with unanimous world wide medical and political opinion being that this is serious and that drastic measures are necessary, but randoms on a swingers site thing they know better... "

Personally I'm only questioning. If it turns out all Corona deaths were on top of the normal expected figures then OK I've learnt something.

But as an example the youngest UK victim, had been diagnosed 2 and a half years ago with MND and given 2 years to live.

If we dont question the evidence we never know.

PS I'm social distancing, not panic buying, and washing my hands more. I think I'm taking it seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has any one read the BBC head lines this morning (Saturday)

Namely

......have the experts over egged

.the numbers....

Worth a read

I'm not underestimating the risks to the elderly but do we need to be a bit more realistic of the effects

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has any one read the BBC head lines this morning (Saturday)

Namely

......have the experts over egged

.the numbers....

Worth a read

I'm not underestimating the risks to the elderly but do we need to be a bit more realistic of the effects

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

What always gets me is people deliberately berating people for NOT panicking or adhering ton their way of thinking.

Worldwide medical opinion is - we don’t actually have all the facts and the modeling is all best guess.

So maybe people need to stop trying to scaremonger????

Just an INDEPENDENT thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has any one read the BBC head lines this morning (Saturday)

Namely

......have the experts over egged

.the numbers....

Worth a read

I'm not underestimating the risks to the elderly but do we need to be a bit more realistic of the effects

Have you seen the interview where an Italian nurse says so many people are dying that they don't count the bodies any more?

In Iran they are saying that many people are dying, but they don't have enough tests, so possible COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded as such?

Would a lot of people have died anyway. Yes we are all going to die sometime. Whilst the press may depict people who succumb to the disease as clinging to lifesupport when they got infected, some are young otherwise healthy people struck down in their prime.

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By *ildatheart6969Couple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Has any one read the BBC head lines this morning (Saturday)

Namely

......have the experts over egged

.the numbers....

Worth a read

I'm not underestimating the risks to the elderly but do we need to be a bit more realistic of the effects

Have you seen the interview where an Italian nurse says so many people are dying that they don't count the bodies any more?

In Iran they are saying that many people are dying, but they don't have enough tests, so possible COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded as such?

If they're not counting bodies how do they know how many people died?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes YES YES.

My answer if I was Boris.

You are all going to get covid. It does not discriminate rich poor black white you will get it.

Those of you who have it stay at home you will get better. Those of you who don't be prepared for when you do.

Our focus will be to protect those people who have underlying illnesses especially respatory illness or a lower immune system. This group includes those over 70. If you are in this group you must take appropriate steps to ensure you are not a victim of this virus because it could be fatal to you. Sanatise all surfaces use ppe such as gloves and an appropriate face mask.

If you are visiting a vunerable person mask up. Glove up sanitise.

If you know you have the virus don't visit.

The rest of you who are otherwise fit and able bodied. Our economy needs you. There will be gaps while many recover. They will need to be filled.

This is a virus like the cold like the flu. So while it will make you sick as a dog. Those of you who are fit and well will recover

Remember who we are. We are British. In times of adverity.We keep calm and carry on. Britain expects no different today than in it's glorious past.

Result. No lockdown rumours

No panic buying

No profiteers (looters.)

No job losses.

We do what needs to be done and deal with this shit in a calm an orderly fashion. £19 for a bottle of Calpol. I had my daughter having to hunt for nappy for a 2 month old baby none. No milk no wet wipes. Oh and I'm now out of work. Maybe for 3 months. But guess what Im going to do about it.

I'm going to keep calm and carry on. As we all should.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Has any one read the BBC head lines this morning (Saturday)

Namely

......have the experts over egged

.the numbers....

Worth a read

I'm not underestimating the risks to the elderly but do we need to be a bit more realistic of the effects

Have you seen the interview where an Italian nurse says so many people are dying that they don't count the bodies any more?

In Iran they are saying that many people are dying, but they don't have enough tests, so possible COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded as such?

If they're not counting bodies how do they know how many people died?"

Ok, first of all the Italian authorities will count EVERY SINGLE DEATH. So you can forget THAT.

Secondly, the UK is NOT testing everyone either so we have no way of knowing how many cases there are, or have been, or how many have recovered. So there goes another of your conspiracy theories.

Stop quoting shite and scaremongering. Calm down. Have a cup of tea and breathe for gods sake.

Just because you read something on social media or the internet does NOT MAKE IT TRUE

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