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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections. Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. " I'm not sure I get why you think antivaxxers would be taking the weight loss injections? Are antivaxxers known for taking the weight loss injections? It is very sad about this child, really do feel for the family. | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " Nothing can be done. You can’t force people to vaccinate their children. The fact that having reviewed all the evidence they choose to go with the advice from Facebook posts by morons rather than follow sound epidemiological analysis is basically just a bit of natural Darwinian evolution. It means that slightly fewer of their idiot genes will reach maturity to further reproduce. | |||
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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections. Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. I'm not sure I get why you think antivaxxers would be taking the weight loss injections? Are antivaxxers known for taking the weight loss injections? It is very sad about this child, really do feel for the family." Tbh the people I know who bang on about Covid and vaccines are the exact same people selling bootleg mounjaro and ozempic | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " First of all that's a shame. I think the vaccine issue requires a bit more intelligence that slinging insults at people thought. Firstly are antivax nuts actually having any influenxe and if so upon whom and how much. Or is it just noise. . Secondly need to have a grown up approach to which people are and are not vaccinated and why. Third which people are spreading illness and how. And fourth a plan to how increase vaccine uptake. | |||
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"The current MMR take-up of both doses at age 5, is about 73% in the Liverpool area. 95% and above is needed to achieve herd immunity, which will stop transmission in an area, with such prevalent, dense immunity coverage. It's really sad that parents are not getting their children vaccinated, which will lead to deaths and disabilities, as well as amongst those who have impaired immune systems
Expensive public education is needed, to increase take-up, especially in such deprived areas. "Do we know which demographics are / are not vaccinated? And why? Religion? Race? Age? Family? One death whilst tragic is one death. Obesity and smoking kill many more... Why don't we have hand wringing for those thousands of deaths that can be prevented as well.? There's always an agenda with these media led stories. Do we care enough to actually do something to make a difference or will we just throw some insults and expect someone else to do it for us? | |||
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"TikTok is rife with anti vax rhetoric. Even though Andrew Wakefields tosh was disproven, he was struck off by the GMC etc. I think trump has employed him as an advisor! It’s not just the unvaccinated children of the anti vax era that are at risk. Children don’t get their MMR vaccine til age 1. Babies under 1 are at huge risk of contracting measles. Can be deadly and cause deafness, brain damage or death in the under 1s especially. This is a huge public health issue!" Our daughter had measles just before her first birthday. It's a nasty illness even when it's 'mild' | |||
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"The current MMR take-up of both doses at age 5, is about 73% in the Liverpool area. 95% and above is needed to achieve herd immunity, which will stop transmission in an area, with such prevalent, dense immunity coverage. It's really sad that parents are not getting their children vaccinated, which will lead to deaths and disabilities, as well as amongst those who have impaired immune systems
Expensive public education is needed, to increase take-up, especially in such deprived areas.
Do we know which demographics are / are not vaccinated? And why? Religion? Race? Age? Family?
One death whilst tragic is one death. Obesity and smoking kill many more... Why don't we have hand wringing for those thousands of deaths that can be prevented as well.? There's always an agenda with these media led stories. Do we care enough to actually do something to make a difference or will we just throw some insults and expect someone else to do it for us? "Smoking, consumption of alcohol, drug addiction and the most dangerous morbid obesity tend to be self inflicted adult, or at least teen to adult problems. The difference with this tragic death is that the child was too young to decide anything at all for itself and paid with it’s life for it’s parents’ stupidity. | |||
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"TikTok is rife with anti vax rhetoric. Even though Andrew Wakefields tosh was disproven, he was struck off by the GMC etc. I think trump has employed him as an advisor! It’s not just the unvaccinated children of the anti vax era that are at risk. Children don’t get their MMR vaccine til age 1. Babies under 1 are at huge risk of contracting measles. Can be deadly and cause deafness, brain damage or death in the under 1s especially. This is a huge public health issue! Our daughter had measles just before her first birthday. It's a nasty illness even when it's 'mild'" Was she too young to be vaccinated by one? You’re lucky she recovered. The daughter of Roald Dahl died of measles when she was seven. On a balance of all things you’d think a seven year old would be pretty strong compared to a baby or a toddler. It really can be a nasty illness. | |||
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"TikTok is rife with anti vax rhetoric. Even though Andrew Wakefields tosh was disproven, he was struck off by the GMC etc. I think trump has employed him as an advisor! It’s not just the unvaccinated children of the anti vax era that are at risk. Children don’t get their MMR vaccine til age 1. Babies under 1 are at huge risk of contracting measles. Can be deadly and cause deafness, brain damage or death in the under 1s especially. This is a huge public health issue! Our daughter had measles just before her first birthday. It's a nasty illness even when it's 'mild' Was she too young to be vaccinated by one? You’re lucky she recovered. The daughter of Roald Dahl died of measles when she was seven. On a balance of all things you’d think a seven year old would be pretty strong compared to a baby or a toddler. It really can be a nasty illness." Yes she was too young. | |||
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"TikTok is rife with anti vax rhetoric. Even though Andrew Wakefields tosh was disproven, he was struck off by the GMC etc. I think trump has employed him as an advisor! It’s not just the unvaccinated children of the anti vax era that are at risk. Children don’t get their MMR vaccine til age 1. Babies under 1 are at huge risk of contracting measles. Can be deadly and cause deafness, brain damage or death in the under 1s especially. This is a huge public health issue!" The people, such as those babies under 1, people with compromised immune systems and others, would all be more secure if the population has herd immunity, which - for measles - is achieved at about 95% of the population having immunity. Liverpool area has about 20% less than this. Measles is a highly infectious, dangerous disease. We don't know much about this child but we do know that many more children are at risk there. There's a rise in infection levels there, which will obviously be able to spread amongst those children | |||
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"TikTok is rife with anti vax rhetoric. Even though Andrew Wakefields tosh was disproven, he was struck off by the GMC etc. I think trump has employed him as an advisor! It’s not just the unvaccinated children of the anti vax era that are at risk. Children don’t get their MMR vaccine til age 1. Babies under 1 are at huge risk of contracting measles. Can be deadly and cause deafness, brain damage or death in the under 1s especially. This is a huge public health issue! Our daughter had measles just before her first birthday. It's a nasty illness even when it's 'mild'" I had rubella at 9 months, I was extremely poorly from what my mum said. I was still vaccinated after just delayed, so my antibodies for it are stupid high apparently when I had them checked during pregnancy. | |||
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"The current MMR take-up of both doses at age 5, is about 73% in the Liverpool area. 95% and above is needed to achieve herd immunity, which will stop transmission in an area, with such prevalent, dense immunity coverage. It's really sad that parents are not getting their children vaccinated, which will lead to deaths and disabilities, as well as amongst those who have impaired immune systems
Expensive public education is needed, to increase take-up, especially in such deprived areas.
Do we know which demographics are / are not vaccinated? And why? Religion? Race? Age? Family?
One death whilst tragic is one death. Obesity and smoking kill many more... Why don't we have hand wringing for those thousands of deaths that can be prevented as well.? There's always an agenda with these media led stories. Do we care enough to actually do something to make a difference or will we just throw some insults and expect someone else to do it for us?
Smoking, consumption of alcohol, drug addiction and the most dangerous morbid obesity tend to be self inflicted adult, or at least teen to adult problems. The difference with this tragic death is that the child was too young to decide anything at all for itself and paid with it’s life for it’s parents’ stupidity."Thing is though we are talking about the parents as if we know them. We don't know a thing about the parents and whether they are stupid or rocket scientists. But we just join the click bait as we have been programmed so to do. No doubt these mostly preventable diseases are on the increase. Why? Until proven to be the case tik tok noise may or may not be a contributing factor but in my opinion there are other factors that have a more significant impact that are never discussed. But our go to response never goes beyond.. The parents are stupid and they have been influenced by anti vaxxers Nx tik tok. For all we know they haven't been. And even if they have... What are we doing to combat the influence Beyond sitting in our special "told you so" bubble and insulting people who are different.? | |||
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"So the original poster knows that the child who died wasnt vaccinated because the parents are anti vaxxers who take weight loss jabs ?" No details have been released yet. But pavlovs dogs are already out. | |||
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"Natural selection due to parental stupidity if the child should have been vaccinated but wasn’t. If the child couldn’t be vaccinated (too young or some medical reason) then the stupidity of others not vaccinating their children killed it." Not natural selection of the child though is it? The child didn't choose not to be vaccinated. The stupid parents did. If there was no genuine medical reason not to be vaccinated, the parents should be charged with neglect. Failing to care for and nurture a child. | |||
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"Nothing can be done... " Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. " I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell,absolute tosh wanting vaccines to be compulsory the state should never have that power and I also think it probably against some sort of law | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. " And what would you do if they weren't? And those who travel here? Or arrive here illegally? Jab em as they get off the truck? | |||
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"Natural selection due to parental stupidity if the child should have been vaccinated but wasn’t. If the child couldn’t be vaccinated (too young or some medical reason) then the stupidity of others not vaccinating their children killed it. Not natural selection of the child though is it? The child didn't choose not to be vaccinated. The stupid parents did. If there was no genuine medical reason not to be vaccinated, the parents should be charged with neglect. Failing to care for and nurture a child. " To my knowledge nothing has been released about the parents or the child. | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell,absolute tosh wanting vaccines to be compulsory the state should never have that power and I also think it probably against some sort of law" There are more than 80 countries world wide who have mandatory vaccination programmes for children. Another 20 odd who require certain vaccines for school entry - notably the USA And around 30, including the UK, where it is recommended. Some countries take protecting people's health more seriously than others. | |||
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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. " Fully agree the arsehole pàrents who should know better and realise the reasons measles until last few year was hardly mentioned because vaccinations kept to a minimumm. Not only are they putting their own kids at risk but dhows sheer stupidity anyone allowing that to happen I question their fitness to be parents | |||
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"Anti vaxxers are disgusting humans that impose their idiotic beliefs on their own children. Shameful behaviour " I couldn’t agree more. As a person who saw the consequences of missing vaccinations in kids, I can’t understand why a parent wouldn’t want to protect their children | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell,absolute tosh wanting vaccines to be compulsory the state should never have that power and I also think it probably against some sort of law" Thanks for showing your ignorance. “I also think it probably against some sort of law” pretty much defines who you are. Some governments care about their citizens health more than some parents about their children. Hence the mandatory vaccination, which is found in perfectly civilised countries. I’d say you need to stop writing “absolute tosh” | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. And what would you do if they weren't? And those who travel here? Or arrive here illegally? Jab em as they get off the truck? " Why not? What’s the risk? Vaccines are by large the safest medical prevention we have. Wanna stay in the UK and send your children to school? There’s a vaccination program. There you go. | |||
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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections. Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. I'm not sure I get why you think antivaxxers would be taking the weight loss injections? Are antivaxxers known for taking the weight loss injections? It is very sad about this child, really do feel for the family. Tbh the people I know who bang on about Covid and vaccines are the exact same people selling bootleg mounjaro and ozempic " The ones that I know are pumping their faces with Botox and fillers. | |||
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 . I wonder if it's coincidence that the fraudulent former Wakefield, who created the MMR scare, came from here, trying to get richer, before fleeing to the land of the seemingly gullible USA.
It's tragic that it's the vulnerable who lose - babies or children with parents who deny them vaccination protection, or those who have weakened immune systems, those undergoing cancer treatment etc.
Perhaps we should be making parents who refuse childhood vaccinations, financially liable, for their failures to protect society? | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " You can't fix stupid unfortunately | |||
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" I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell" Yes. If you don't want to be part of society that protects and cares for others, then fuck off frankly. | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. And what would you do if they weren't? And those who travel here? Or arrive here illegally? Jab em as they get off the truck? Why not? What’s the risk? Vaccines are by large the safest medical prevention we have. Wanna stay in the UK and send your children to school? There’s a vaccination program. There you go." Bloody well said! | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. And what would you do if they weren't? And those who travel here? Or arrive here illegally? Jab em as they get off the truck? " Yes, or don't come here. Really don't see the issue here. | |||
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" To my knowledge nothing has been released about the parents or the child. " The child wasn't vaccinated. The child caught measles from another unvaccinated child. The parents are responsible. What else is there to know? | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good " Is that what you want to do? | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Is that what you want to do?" Did OP study every vaccine ingredient? | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good " Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity." So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective? | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell,absolute tosh wanting vaccines to be compulsory the state should never have that power and I also think it probably against some sort of law Thanks for showing your ignorance. “I also think it probably against some sort of law” pretty much defines who you are. Some governments care about their citizens health more than some parents about their children. Hence the mandatory vaccination, which is found in perfectly civilised countries. I’d say you need to stop writing “absolute tosh”" i bet your assuming im an anti vaxxer lol bith my kids had all there vaccinations i just dont belive the state has a right to force people when it comes to things like that, and im sure after ww2 there were laws brought in against that sort of thing there was a government back then that was jabbing people against there will | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity." No they aren't. But it makes for very dramatic content to write it. In pure numbers it's barely significant although tragic for the families involved of the one child. Which quite rightly any personal details are not being shared. More intelligent arguments need to be made to address this issue than banging the same oldtired drum that just sets people against eachother. | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Is that what you want to do? Did OP study every vaccine ingredient?" The MHRA did | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective?" The MHRA are | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective?" Yes. I mean anti vaxxers do more "research" online to try to disprove the benefits of vaccines yet never seem to demand maintenance records of aircraft they fly in, details of services of hire cars and tire pressure, have the first clue of what a boiler has safety check does....all factors that really will kill you, but pretend to understand that aluminum is in vaccine in its pure form.... | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective? Yes. I mean anti vaxxers do more "research" online to try to disprove the benefits of vaccines yet never seem to demand maintenance records of aircraft they fly in, details of services of hire cars and tire pressure, have the first clue of what a boiler has safety check does....all factors that really will kill you, but pretend to understand that aluminum is in vaccine in its pure form...." Are they mutually exclusive then? Or do people have to investigate everything thhas risk to be able to ask questions about one thing that has risk.? | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective? The MHRA are" Awesome what research have you done? You haven't spoken to the parents who had perfectly healthy children until they had a vaccine then got a serious fever and we're never the same again? My brother developed meningitis right after his and was left partially deaf with behaviour issues permanently | |||
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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. " I doubt the antivaxers would try the fat loss jabs Or any of the cancer vaccines jabs Each to their own personal choice seems wrong to class people as idiots for being wary of fairly new medicines | |||
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"Nothing can be done... Make it compulsory. Thereby increasing herd immunity and protecting those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated. I bet you are the sort of person who thought anyone who didn't take the covid shot should of been banished from society aswell,absolute tosh wanting vaccines to be compulsory the state should never have that power and I also think it probably against some sort of law Thanks for showing your ignorance. “I also think it probably against some sort of law” pretty much defines who you are. Some governments care about their citizens health more than some parents about their children. Hence the mandatory vaccination, which is found in perfectly civilised countries. I’d say you need to stop writing “absolute tosh”i bet your assuming im an anti vaxxer lol bith my kids had all there vaccinations i just dont belive the state has a right to force people when it comes to things like that, and im sure after ww2 there were laws brought in against that sort of thing there was a government back then that was jabbing people against there will" You are sure there were laws but cannot point to them? I don’t know if you’re an anti vaxxer and it is irrelevant, as I was attacking what you were saying about laws. Don’t start with the usual “the government can’t force me to do anything “. It can indeed, you require a license to drive and a degree to practise as a barrister or doctor or whatever. The government can’t force me regulate indeed and can choose to make a vaccination mandatory in the interest of public health. It has done it in the past and can in the future if they see it fit | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective? The MHRA are Awesome what research have you done? You haven't spoken to the parents who had perfectly healthy children until they had a vaccine then got a serious fever and we're never the same again? My brother developed meningitis right after his and was left partially deaf with behaviour issues permanently " Nothing on this earth is 100% safe. People can die due to aspirin or paracetamol, yet they’re sold over the counter. Still, as proven by research and statistics, vaccines are incredibly safe. There are very rare side effects, but the balance is overwhelmingly in favour of having vaccines. How do you know that your brother developed meningitis due to a vaccine? I ask because there’s plenty of people who blame vaccines for whatever happened to themselves/their relatives, often only based on the fact it happened after a vaccination. Correlation is not causation. | |||
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"Since you've studied vaccines extensively and know without doubt that every ingredient is completely harmless you could pin down anti vaxxers and forcibly inject them for their own good Nope but I would for the protection of everyone else. anti vaxxers are not worth the slightest consideration ...they show none to others and so deserve none. Flat earthers, alians built the pyramids and other such face book 'researchers'... no issue with them. They are not hurting anyone. anti vaxxers are KILLING people with their paranoid stupidity. So you're confident that vaccines are safe and effective? The MHRA are Awesome what research have you done? You haven't spoken to the parents who had perfectly healthy children until they had a vaccine then got a serious fever and we're never the same again? My brother developed meningitis right after his and was left partially deaf with behaviour issues permanently Sorry to hear about your brother, when was that ? The MHRA do the research and provide a much higher degree of confidence than persons in YouTube or a swingers forum. However I did for your information do some research and found and I quote The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, has undergone changes over the years to improve its safety profile. Historically, some versions of the MMR vaccine were associated with a slightly increased risk of viral meningitis, particularly those containing the Urabe strain of the mumps virus. However, this strain is no longer used in current MMR vaccines. *Current Risk Assessment:* - The current MMR vaccines used in the UK are considered safe and effective, with no significant increased risk of meningitis. - According to studies, the risk of aseptic meningitis after MMR vaccination is extremely low, and the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks ¹ ². *Vaccine Safety Measures:* - All vaccines, including MMR, undergo rigorous testing and regulatory processes to ensure their safety and effectiveness. - The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) closely monitors vaccine safety in the UK. *Importance of Vaccination:* - Vaccination is the best way to protect against measles, mumps, and rubella, which can lead to serious complications, including meningitis. - Maintaining high vaccination rates is crucial to prevent outbreaks and protect vulnerable individuals ¹ ² ³.That was in 1991 but if you look online there are many groups of parents still experiencing similar things happening. I just don't think that looking at the research done by the companies who make them and profit from them can be completely unbiased and reliable, occasionally someone who works in the industry realises there is corruption and they have a conscience and tell us about it but they're quickly shut down and hidden from us so because the media and NHS are giving out more information the not so wholesome stuff gets lost and ridiculed " Thankfully, we can look elsewhere for research evidence, other than that funded by manufacturers, or produced fraudulently by the likes of the disgraced and discredited Andrew Wakefield. It's extremely tragic that the UK has the worst take-up of MMR vaccination, of any of the G7 nations | |||
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"I'm halfway through a video of Andrew Wakefield speaking about his experience and he's a very composed, level headed straight talking guy and I don't think anyone should make judgement purely based on the media stories. The one I'm watching is 9 years old and it's called Dr Andrew Wakefield deals with Allegations|vaxxed|clip|CLS The guy was struck off the medical register for serious professional misconduct because of his fraudulent claims about vaccines and autism, I think that says enough dont you That's what the media portrayed, I think we should look deeper into everything, I don't think anyone can truly form an in informed opinion by watching TV. When I'm given information I want to go look for myself " Other researchers could not reproduce any of his findings it wasn't the media speculation,it was his peers who disproved his snake oil....oh and the guy was also set to make millions per year on testing kits so.....🤔 | |||
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"I'm halfway through a video of Andrew Wakefield speaking about his experience and he's a very composed, level headed straight talking guy and I don't think anyone should make judgement purely based on the media stories. The one I'm watching is 9 years old and it's called Dr Andrew Wakefield deals with Allegations|vaxxed|clip|CLS" I'm sure he doesn't get involved in producing anything that's not 100% flattering of himself
He's totally untrustworthy and has singlehandedly harmed the take up of vaccines around the world. He's been a fraud, faking details that he published, needlessly frightening people. There are many deaths and people who have been disabled, because parents were frightened by the lies he published, from his position of power, all over the world.
The UK used to be measles free, having so many people with immunity that the disease couldn't spread here. We've returned to the conditions of the dark ages now, since his published lies took hold.
We've lost hundreds of years of progress and the safety that we'd all created and benefited from. . Someone now with a weakened immune system, perhaps on chemotherapy, isn't able to be supported by the community that they live in. It could be another needless death, loved ones losing someone who's precious to them. I'd be very ashamed if I'd been at the root cause of such catastrophic harm to anyone's life.
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence " Absolutely no. You need studies, I could point you to a few instances of people who think vaccines did them arm when it’s not true. Specifically, all the ones who think their child’s autism was caused by a vaccine (that was Wakefield fraud). So sorry mate, just because you think your brother is partially deaf because of a vaccine, doesn’t make it true. Bring your antivax nonsense elsewhere | |||
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"I'm halfway through a video of Andrew Wakefield speaking about his experience and he's a very composed, level headed straight talking guy and I don't think anyone should make judgement purely based on the media stories. The one I'm watching is 9 years old and it's called Dr Andrew Wakefield deals with Allegations|vaxxed|clip|CLS The guy was struck off the medical register for serious professional misconduct because of his fraudulent claims about vaccines and autism, I think that says enough dont you That's what the media portrayed, I think we should look deeper into everything, I don't think anyone can truly form an in informed opinion by watching TV. When I'm given information I want to go look for myself " Look for yourself? Where, on YouTube? Jeez, gullible in extremis! Look at scientific evidence, which will show you that Wakefield is a fraud. But you also need the knowledge and preparation to read scientific papers. In case you ask, no you can’t skip it by watching some random dude on YouTube, so trust the experts. Wakefield is not, he’s a fraud. | |||
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence " Which is why valid quantitative research evidence is used, with appropriate statistical power, that outweighs all the fanatical hearsay guff that's spread around. Without Wakefield s fraud most of this bullshit would not be spouted | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " Nothing because anti vaxers are stupid | |||
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"So sad and unnecessary. The anti vax idiots who are busy injecting themselves with weight loss injections. Mad world right now where in many ways society is heading backwards. I'm not sure I get why you think antivaxxers would be taking the weight loss injections? Are antivaxxers known for taking the weight loss injections? It is very sad about this child, really do feel for the family. Tbh the people I know who bang on about Covid and vaccines are the exact same people selling bootleg mounjaro and ozempic " Im not sure on the evudence for this. | |||
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"Everyone on both sides of the perspective need to stop the anger and hate, stop name calling like children and think what if I'm wrong then look at things properly " This is half the problem imo, there is no both sides, there is right and wrong, there is logic and stupid. If you antivax, I put you in the same bucket I do flat earthers, or 4g/5g crowd. The easily manipulated morons. Avoid them, don't bother engaging with them. | |||
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"Another industry worker was a woman who worked for Merck and started an online movement called learn the risk, her name was Brandy Vaughan and her story will give you chills " The drug she brought attention to which was banned was found to have possible serious side effects of taken long term. Painkillers shouldn't be taken long term. The rest of her story opposing vaccines without any real evidence 🤷♂️ Again things have moved on in testing and monitoring in 30 years | |||
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"It's a compulsory vaccination here in France and your child isn't allowed to go to school without it. If your child isn't in school then the state will intervene and potentially ask the question "by not vaccinating this child is it child abuse"? If found to be so then the child will be taken off you and placed into state care. And vaccinated anyway. Which isn't a bad thing in France I'm sure. Voilà. Problem solved. " The idiots would see this as the beginning of the new world order or some dumb shit about Bill Gates. | |||
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"It's a compulsory vaccination here in France and your child isn't allowed to go to school without it. If your child isn't in school then the state will intervene and potentially ask the question "by not vaccinating this child is it child abuse"? If found to be so then the child will be taken off you and placed into state care. And vaccinated anyway. Which isn't a bad thing in France I'm sure. Voilà. Problem solved. " And has that actually happened where a child has been taken away from the parents and out into care? How often? Would be an interesting discussion to see if the child grows up to be happier with their parents or being ripped away from the to live with state appointed strangers | |||
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"It's a compulsory vaccination here in France and your child isn't allowed to go to school without it. If your child isn't in school then the state will intervene and potentially ask the question "by not vaccinating this child is it child abuse"? If found to be so then the child will be taken off you and placed into state care. And vaccinated anyway. Which isn't a bad thing in France I'm sure. Voilà. Problem solved. And has that actually happened where a child has been taken away from the parents and out into care? How often? Would be an interesting discussion to see if the child grows up to be happier with their parents or being ripped away from the to live with state appointed strangers " Probably never happened, but the lowest of the low would focus on it, like they do vaccine deaths etc. 0.001% of people could die from a vaccine and they'd still claim it's an evil conspiracy | |||
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"It's a compulsory vaccination here in France and your child isn't allowed to go to school without it. If your child isn't in school then the state will intervene and potentially ask the question "by not vaccinating this child is it child abuse"? If found to be so then the child will be taken off you and placed into state care. And vaccinated anyway. Which isn't a bad thing in France I'm sure. Voilà. Problem solved. And has that actually happened where a child has been taken away from the parents and out into care? How often? Would be an interesting discussion to see if the child grows up to be happier with their parents or being ripped away from the to live with state appointed strangers Probably never happened, but the lowest of the low would focus on it, like they do vaccine deaths etc. 0.001% of people could die from a vaccine and they'd still claim it's an evil conspiracy " 0.00002% of people in the EU died following a covid vaccine apparently, not all were linked to the vaccine, just after they had one. Check my sums it's about 11500 deaths out of 450000000 people | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. | |||
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"Everyone on both sides of the perspective need to stop the anger and hate, stop name calling like children and think what if I'm wrong then look at things properly This is half the problem imo, there is no both sides, there is right and wrong, there is logic and stupid. If you antivax, I put you in the same bucket I do flat earthers, or 4g/5g crowd. The easily manipulated morons. Avoid them, don't bother engaging with them." Being judgemental is your problem not mine. I don't consider people who blindly accept injections from massive corporations that have been thought lawsuits multiple times as intelligent but I don't automatically assume their other beliefs | |||
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence So there's no documented evidence, just hearsay? As you suggested I'm trying to do my research but your not giving any confidence " If you look at the video I watched with Andrew Wakefield he explains why he looked further into it after experiencing many parents reporting the same thing which is what a study is in theory | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop." Exactly | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly " If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin " And if you catch measles and die you'll know you should have had the vaccine | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin And if you catch measles and die you'll know you should have had the vaccine "Given there were zero adult deaths in the UK last year I'll hazard a guess he's ok with those risks | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin And if you catch measles and die you'll know you should have had the vaccine
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"Nothing can be done, but ask yourself why 50+ years ago why did parents get children vaccinated - maybe they saw the death and complications the viruses inflicted on children. Only when we return to that sad level of infection will parents se the light." Yeah absolutely before proper plumbing and sanitation I don't doubt people died. Now I see people injured in other ways so I avoid them. Same thing really | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin And if you catch measles and die you'll know you should have had the vaccine
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Flu would be very different especially for adults. "I haven't had a flu since high school and never had measels, chicken pox but I'm still here | |||
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence So there's no documented evidence, just hearsay? As you suggested I'm trying to do my research but your not giving any confidence If you look at the video I watched with Andrew Wakefield he explains why he looked further into it after experiencing many parents reporting the same thing which is what a study is in theory " Wakefield falsified his research so he could profit from that, to the point of subjecting children to unnecessary treatments. He was eventually debunked and exposed for the fraud he is, and rightfully kicked out of the medical profession. And you believe that fraudster. Incredible how gullible some people can be. I realised nothing I say will move an anti vaxxer like you, so I will simply sit here and offer sarcasm services. I’ll get my popcorns | |||
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence So there's no documented evidence, just hearsay? As you suggested I'm trying to do my research but your not giving any confidence If you look at the video I watched with Andrew Wakefield he explains why he looked further into it after experiencing many parents reporting the same thing which is what a study is in theory Wakefield falsified his research so he could profit from that, to the point of subjecting children to unnecessary treatments. He was eventually debunked and exposed for the fraud he is, and rightfully kicked out of the medical profession. And you believe that fraudster. Incredible how gullible some people can be. I realised nothing I say will move an anti vaxxer like you, so I will simply sit here and offer sarcasm services. I’ll get my popcorns " No you're wrong I can be moved with new information. If you've been reading the thread you'll see I only found out about him yesterday, what unnecessary treatment did kids get? | |||
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"Firstly he isn't dead just partially deaf. You don't need a link to a study you just need to listen to the millions of people who have had the awful experience of having a healthy child suddenly stop developing and often stop communicating. Why is one measels death considered worse than the ruined lives of many? There's only so many times people all haveing a similar experience put down to coincidence So there's no documented evidence, just hearsay? As you suggested I'm trying to do my research but your not giving any confidence If you look at the video I watched with Andrew Wakefield he explains why he looked further into it after experiencing many parents reporting the same thing which is what a study is in theory Wakefield falsified his research so he could profit from that, to the point of subjecting children to unnecessary treatments. He was eventually debunked and exposed for the fraud he is, and rightfully kicked out of the medical profession. And you believe that fraudster. Incredible how gullible some people can be. I realised nothing I say will move an anti vaxxer like you, so I will simply sit here and offer sarcasm services. I’ll get my popcorns "
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"I recently met a couple of families at work (nhs) who are well educated, middle class parents. They’re the ones not vaccinating their children. They’re using dr Google and forums to do their research. Presumably their parents chose to vaccinate them but they’re relying upon herd immunity. When asked why they aren’t vaccinating they became quite defensive and rolled their eyes at our advice. But it’s their choice, it’s frustrating but you can’t change their opinion" There is no specific class for morons, rich, poor, middle class etc. they can all be morons. The types who know more than somebody who has studied their entire lives on a subject, because they watched a video on YouTube. The sad reality is it will require great suffering for people to see the error of judgement, and that is where we are heading. I feel genuinely sad for anybody who is having young children in the next 10-20 years. | |||
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" No you're wrong I can be moved with new information. If you've been reading the thread you'll see I only found out about him yesterday, what unnecessary treatment did kids get? As documented in his fitness to practice case, he subjected numerous children to unnecessary lumber punctures and colonoscopies. " Ok I haven't seen that but lumbar puncture is used to diagnose meningitis and colonoscopy is used to diagnose Crohn's which is what parents had been reporting as side effects | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? what is to be done is to let people decide for themselves what is to be done. Spreading fear mongering from some position of self riotous high ground moralising is nobody's business to undertake. Living a life in fear is no life. Stop. Exactly If I see instances of people doing something a getting hurt I will analyse it before making a decision I don't need a study. If I put my hand on the cooker and it burns I'll remove it and not do it again I won't stand there cooking my hand while I look for a study that says cookers can burn skin And if you catch measles and die you'll know you should have had the vaccine
You can't do anything about the stupid at this point, they won't 2-3 decades ago imo.
And no everybody has the access to all of human knowledge in their hands, everybody sees themselves as experts in every situation.
Add to that the contrariness, and as a society, we're fucked. To even argue for individual liberty utterly misunderstands how a vaccine works.
It's a losing battle, I think sadly as a society (pretty much across the West) it will require great suffering for us to change. But tbh, that is usually the case throughout human history. "What if the great suffering has already happened and this is the change? | |||
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And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause? "He created the false narrative that vaccines are linked to autism. A claim that has been scientifically proven to be false. In doing so, he created a mistrust in vaccines that harmed countless people. His research was completely debunked and after proving his crimes (falsifying evidence and data for his research, trying to profit from alternative products, subjecting children to unnecessary tests and falsifying their results) was struck from the GMC and his research retired. He is one of the worst grifters of modern times. And you only found out about him yesterday, and believe him despite overwhelming evidence that he’s a fraud and a liar. Fascinating. | |||
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And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause?
He created the false narrative that vaccines are linked to autism. A claim that has been scientifically proven to be false.
In doing so, he created a mistrust in vaccines that harmed countless people. His research was completely debunked and after proving his crimes (falsifying evidence and data for his research, trying to profit from alternative products, subjecting children to unnecessary tests and falsifying their results) was struck from the GMC and his research retired.
He is one of the worst grifters of modern times. And you only found out about him yesterday, and believe him despite overwhelming evidence that he’s a fraud and a liar. Fascinating."What were his alternative products? Can we drop the digs it really makes me not take you seriously especially since you're here telling me to ignore what I've seen for myself many times over and believe the TV. Big companies have far too much protection and it's not just medical one's there's agricultural chemicals too. A few of my friends at a livery yard noticed that every time the farmer sprayed killer around the pastures the horses in them got extremely unwell costing the owners a lot of money and two horses died but the vet's said it was grass sickness | |||
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And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause? "I'm sure you've got the gist of it, from many of the posts just in this thread.
He falsified fraudulent information that he claimed was evidence of dangerous effects of the MMR vaccine, including leading to Autism. This resulted in many thousands of parents not having their children vaccinated. Beforehand, the UK had herd immunity against measles, making it impossible for measles to spread in the country. We've lost that healthy status, where babies too young to be vaccinated, or people with compromised immune systems, such as people having treatment for cancer, were protected from acquiring measles by herd immunity.
He was dishonourably struck off from being a medical practitioner to the UK. Not a single one of the 12 children that he published results from were honest and not subject to fraudulent adjustments. In other words, all of his work was a complete scam.
He left the UK and has continued his promotion of this fraud from the USA. His scam has affected countries globally. But he's doing very well, if you see how much he's profitted from global misery that shows no signs of being stopped. | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news " Well indeed. All sides get their "data" from the Internet. But one side claims intellectual superiority, intelligence whilst insulting anyone who doesnt share their beliefs and claims they are a danger to society whilst the other side claims intellectual superiority, intelligence whilst calling the other side names and claims they are a danger to society | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required " And discuss within their peer group | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group " Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? " The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda " The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing " You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths". | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths"." There's a lot of staff moving between working for the MHRA and the companies they regulate too | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths"." So on the 6th May it was perfectly safe for under 40s and on the 7th May an epiphany and was considered not so and withdrawn for under 40s...? I see. This makes perfect sense. Luckily I'm way over 40 so it was still ok for me. | |||
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"I recently met a couple of families at work (nhs) who are well educated, middle class parents. They’re the ones not vaccinating their children. They’re using dr Google and forums to do their research. Presumably their parents chose to vaccinate them but they’re relying upon herd immunity. When asked why they aren’t vaccinating they became quite defensive and rolled their eyes at our advice. But it’s their choice, it’s frustrating but you can’t change their opinion There is no specific class for morons, rich, poor, middle class etc. they can all be morons. The types who know more than somebody who has studied their entire lives on a subject, because they watched a video on YouTube. The sad reality is it will require great suffering for people to see the error of judgement, and that is where we are heading. I feel genuinely sad for anybody who is having young children in the next 10-20 years. Not being able to have a conversation or debate without name calling isn't a sign of intelligence. The irony is that Wakefield and other doctors that have noticed problems have studied their whole life and we are listening but you aren't, when you have spent your whole life studying and getting into a lot of debt going through medical school it takes a great deal of bravery and conscience to speak out against the product you're supposed to be selling and risk losing it all hence most people would rather turn a blind eye and pay off their debts and make a living Wakefield didn't notice a problem, he caused one for billions of people
And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause?
He created the false narrative that vaccines are linked to autism. A claim that has been scientifically proven to be false.
In doing so, he created a mistrust in vaccines that harmed countless people. His research was completely debunked and after proving his crimes (falsifying evidence and data for his research, trying to profit from alternative products, subjecting children to unnecessary tests and falsifying their results) was struck from the GMC and his research retired.
He is one of the worst grifters of modern times. And you only found out about him yesterday, and believe him despite overwhelming evidence that he’s a fraud and a liar. Fascinating.
What were his alternative products? Can we drop the digs it really makes me not take you seriously especially since you're here telling me to ignore what I've seen for myself many times over and believe the TV. Big companies have far too much protection and it's not just medical one's there's agricultural chemicals too. A few of my friends at a livery yard noticed that every time the farmer sprayed killer around the pastures the horses in them got extremely unwell costing the owners a lot of money and two horses died but the vet's said it was grass sickness "Believe the tv? Believe the scientists and doctors when they assure you vaccines are safe! You’re the one getting news on YouTube, and it shows  | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths". There's a lot of staff moving between working for the MHRA and the companies they regulate too" And ? | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths". So on the 6th May it was perfectly safe for under 40s and on the 7th May an epiphany and was considered not so and withdrawn for under 40s...? I see. This makes perfect sense. Luckily I'm way over 40 so it was still ok for me. Pretty much no medical intervention is "perfectly safe". Everything comes with a risk, not having a vaccine comes with risk too. In case the main driver for withdrawing the AZ for under 40s was the roll out of even safer vaccinations. If these vaccinations didn't exist then AZ would have still been recommended to under 40s as at the time the risk of not having any vaccination was still greater than the risk from AZ. Why is one measels death absolutely devastating but thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries are just acceptable collateral? " How many thousand died of a covid vaccine and no other cause ? How many people were vaccinated? How many people have died of a measle vaccine ? How many people have died of measles ? So many questions. Back to the point Should we be happy that measles is on the increase, should we do anything about it or just let it rip through the communities ? What should we do ? Watch YouTube and cross our fingers maybe it'll go away again ? | |||
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" Some of the deniers have been around for months/years, expressing antivax views, with the clear information of the Wakefield frauds being detailed here. I think many of their talking points need updating. They probably need to find another YouTube channel or something. The irony is strong One group is slandering the other for getting information online but my question is where exactly is someone who has different views from the mainstream media supposed to release their findings? Send letters out? If you're a doctor and who notices a problem and no one will listen to you how are you supposed to tell people? They're not going to give you a slot on the BBC news They report their findings to the MHRA who investigate and act if required And discuss within their peer group Yes but when it's brushed under the carpet and they won't listen then what should they do? The MHRA don't brush stuff under the carpet. Peer groups won't ignore solid evidence. How would you know for sure? All companies brush stuff under the carpet that doesn't suit their agenda The MHRA isn't a "company" If you don't trust anybody or anything what's the point existing You're right, it's a government agency which operates with some level of autonomy and was started on April fools day of all days. It looks like they've been in trouble a few times and this is just one example I found The MHRA's lack of transparency and conflicts of interest did not fulfill its statutory duty to protect patient safety or maintain public trust, the letter said. The system is "beset by conflicts" and "often too late in detecting and acting to prevent serious harms". Hence the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine was suspended in other countries on 11 March 2021, but the MHRA did not publish safety advice until 7 April, after 24 million people had been vaccinated in the UK "without MHRA’s pharmacovigilance system detecting a problem". MHRA withdrew the product for under 40s only on 7 May, "after further needless deaths". So on the 6th May it was perfectly safe for under 40s and on the 7th May an epiphany and was considered not so and withdrawn for under 40s...? I see. This makes perfect sense. Luckily I'm way over 40 so it was still ok for me. Pretty much no medical intervention is "perfectly safe". Everything comes with a risk, not having a vaccine comes with risk too. In case the main driver for withdrawing the AZ for under 40s was the roll out of even safer vaccinations. If these vaccinations didn't exist then AZ would have still been recommended to under 40s as at the time the risk of not having any vaccination was still greater than the risk from AZ. Why is one measels death absolutely devastating but thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries are just acceptable collateral? How many thousand died of a covid vaccine and no other cause ? How many people were vaccinated? How many people have died of a measle vaccine ? How many people have died of measles ? So many questions. Back to the point Should we be happy that measles is on the increase, should we do anything about it or just let it rip through the communities ? What should we do ? Watch YouTube and cross our fingers maybe it'll go away again ? " A lot of people died from the vaccine, we have absolutely no idea how many it saved. All I know is that I didn't have it and I'm glad as a lot of people regret it and only took it to go on holiday not because they wanted it | |||
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And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause?
I'm sure you've got the gist of it, from many of the posts just in this thread.
He falsified fraudulent information that he claimed was evidence of dangerous effects of the MMR vaccine, including leading to Autism. This resulted in many thousands of parents not having their children vaccinated. Beforehand, the UK had herd immunity against measles, making it impossible for measles to spread in the country. We've lost that healthy status, where babies too young to be vaccinated, or people with compromised immune systems, such as people having treatment for cancer, were protected from acquiring measles by herd immunity.
He was dishonourably struck off from being a medical practitioner to the UK. Not a single one of the 12 children that he published results from were honest and not subject to fraudulent adjustments. In other words, all of his work was a complete scam.
He left the UK and has continued his promotion of this fraud from the USA. His scam has affected countries globally. But he's doing very well, if you see how much he's profitted from global misery that shows no signs of being stopped. "You seem to be casting your attention in many directions. Ref, Andrew.Wakefield - that you claimed you'd heard nothing about, before the last day -have you now satisfied your interest, upon the fraudulent medical scares he started? Is that now settled? | |||
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"I recently met a couple of families at work (nhs) who are well educated, middle class parents. They’re the ones not vaccinating their children. They’re using dr Google and forums to do their research. Presumably their parents chose to vaccinate them but they’re relying upon herd immunity. When asked why they aren’t vaccinating they became quite defensive and rolled their eyes at our advice. But it’s their choice, it’s frustrating but you can’t change their opinion There is no specific class for morons, rich, poor, middle class etc. they can all be morons. The types who know more than somebody who has studied their entire lives on a subject, because they watched a video on YouTube. The sad reality is it will require great suffering for people to see the error of judgement, and that is where we are heading. I feel genuinely sad for anybody who is having young children in the next 10-20 years. Not being able to have a conversation or debate without name calling isn't a sign of intelligence. The irony is that Wakefield and other doctors that have noticed problems have studied their whole life and we are listening but you aren't, when you have spent your whole life studying and getting into a lot of debt going through medical school it takes a great deal of bravery and conscience to speak out against the product you're supposed to be selling and risk losing it all hence most people would rather turn a blind eye and pay off their debts and make a living Wakefield didn't notice a problem, he caused one for billions of people
And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause?
I'm sure you've got the gist of it, from many of the posts just in this thread.
He falsified fraudulent information that he claimed was evidence of dangerous effects of the MMR vaccine, including leading to Autism. This resulted in many thousands of parents not having their children vaccinated. Beforehand, the UK had herd immunity against measles, making it impossible for measles to spread in the country. We've lost that healthy status, where babies too young to be vaccinated, or people with compromised immune systems, such as people having treatment for cancer, were protected from acquiring measles by herd immunity.
He was dishonourably struck off from being a medical practitioner to the UK. Not a single one of the 12 children that he published results from were honest and not subject to fraudulent adjustments. In other words, all of his work was a complete scam.
He left the UK and has continued his promotion of this fraud from the USA. His scam has affected countries globally. But he's doing very well, if you see how much he's profitted from global misery that shows no signs of being stopped.
You seem to be casting your attention in many directions. Ref, Andrew.Wakefield - that you claimed you'd heard nothing about, before the last day -have you now satisfied your interest, upon the fraudulent medical scares he started? Is that now settled? "He came up in conversation and I looked at him briefly, couldn't find anything terrible but I know plenty people who speak out are ridiculed and I'm not spending the rest of my day on him. The difference is that I'm looking into the subjects suggested to me and looking at the situation from both sides even if only briefly | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? " Apology accepted, I didn't give numbers tho. I'm giving information from my lived experience, I speak to a lot of people both online and in life face to face and most people noticed something wrong with the whole situation. As for measels I don't have a solution all I know is that a group of people shouldn't feel entitled to tell others to inject themselves and their family with something that comes with clear risks some of which are fatal and permanently life changing | |||
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"I recently met a couple of families at work (nhs) who are well educated, middle class parents. They’re the ones not vaccinating their children. They’re using dr Google and forums to do their research. Presumably their parents chose to vaccinate them but they’re relying upon herd immunity. When asked why they aren’t vaccinating they became quite defensive and rolled their eyes at our advice. But it’s their choice, it’s frustrating but you can’t change their opinion There is no specific class for morons, rich, poor, middle class etc. they can all be morons. The types who know more than somebody who has studied their entire lives on a subject, because they watched a video on YouTube. The sad reality is it will require great suffering for people to see the error of judgement, and that is where we are heading. I feel genuinely sad for anybody who is having young children in the next 10-20 years. Not being able to have a conversation or debate without name calling isn't a sign of intelligence. The irony is that Wakefield and other doctors that have noticed problems have studied their whole life and we are listening but you aren't, when you have spent your whole life studying and getting into a lot of debt going through medical school it takes a great deal of bravery and conscience to speak out against the product you're supposed to be selling and risk losing it all hence most people would rather turn a blind eye and pay off their debts and make a living Wakefield didn't notice a problem, he caused one for billions of people
And sought to optimi$e his wealth, whilst people suffer and die.
Again I only learned of him yesterday, what problem did he cause?
I'm sure you've got the gist of it, from many of the posts just in this thread.
He falsified fraudulent information that he claimed was evidence of dangerous effects of the MMR vaccine, including leading to Autism. This resulted in many thousands of parents not having their children vaccinated. Beforehand, the UK had herd immunity against measles, making it impossible for measles to spread in the country. We've lost that healthy status, where babies too young to be vaccinated, or people with compromised immune systems, such as people having treatment for cancer, were protected from acquiring measles by herd immunity.
He was dishonourably struck off from being a medical practitioner to the UK. Not a single one of the 12 children that he published results from were honest and not subject to fraudulent adjustments. In other words, all of his work was a complete scam.
He left the UK and has continued his promotion of this fraud from the USA. His scam has affected countries globally. But he's doing very well, if you see how much he's profitted from global misery that shows no signs of being stopped.
You seem to be casting your attention in many directions. Ref, Andrew.Wakefield - that you claimed you'd heard nothing about, before the last day -have you now satisfied your interest, upon the fraudulent medical scares he started? Is that now settled?
He came up in conversation and I looked at him briefly, couldn't find anything terrible but I know plenty people who speak out are ridiculed and I'm not spending the rest of my day on him. The difference is that I'm looking into the subjects suggested to me and looking at the situation from both sides even if only briefly "So the fact that he published research, where every single one of the children within it, he falsified their data, to create a fake, fraudulent global scare, that led to many thousands of people not being vaccinated, doesn't strike you as, I quote ’anything terrible’. This, despite his being struck off dishonourably as a medical practitioner, for his fraud. And, in the years since, the UK and other countries, losing the protection for vulnerable people against infections, as his fraud influenced so many people not to vaccinate their children. Not to mention how many people have died since, or the even higher numbers left permanently disabled. Of completely preventable diseases. You have an open mind on this? | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? Apology accepted, I didn't give numbers tho. I'm giving information from my lived experience, I speak to a lot of people both online and in life face to face and most people noticed something wrong with the whole situation. As for measels I don't have a solution all I know is that a group of people shouldn't feel entitled to tell others to inject themselves and their family with something that comes with clear risks some of which are fatal and permanently life changing " So no figures, no answers, you to be here just to argue with everyone rather than ,. Well ..nuff said | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? Apology accepted, I didn't give numbers tho. I'm giving information from my lived experience, I speak to a lot of people both online and in life face to face and most people noticed something wrong with the whole situation. As for measels I don't have a solution all I know is that a group of people shouldn't feel entitled to tell others to inject themselves and their family with something that comes with clear risks some of which are fatal and permanently life changing So no figures, no answers, you to be here just to argue with everyone rather than ,. Well ..nuff said So you think we should force vaccines and if it goes wrong oh well at least it went your way? What I really think is a solution would blow your mind and I'm not gonna go there " Quote me where I said anything about forcing vaccines ? Apologies accepted | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? Apology accepted, I didn't give numbers tho. I'm giving information from my lived experience, I speak to a lot of people both online and in life face to face and most people noticed something wrong with the whole situation. As for measels I don't have a solution all I know is that a group of people shouldn't feel entitled to tell others to inject themselves and their family with something that comes with clear risks some of which are fatal and permanently life changing So no figures, no answers, you to be here just to argue with everyone rather than ,. Well ..nuff said So you think we should force vaccines and if it goes wrong oh well at least it went your way? What I really think is a solution would blow your mind and I'm not gonna go there Quote me where I said anything about forcing vaccines ? Apologies accepted " I do apologise I thought you were OP, the haughtiness returned and I lost respect if I'm honest | |||
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"A child has sadly died of measles https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o. This is a deadly virus that can be controlled through the MMR vaccination. Yet the anti-vaxx nuts will still spew their lies and pseudo-science - and more children will die. What is to be done? Apology accepted, I didn't give numbers tho. I'm giving information from my lived experience, I speak to a lot of people both online and in life face to face and most people noticed something wrong with the whole situation. As for measels I don't have a solution all I know is that a group of people shouldn't feel entitled to tell others to inject themselves and their family with something that comes with clear risks some of which are fatal and permanently life changing So no figures, no answers, you to be here just to argue with everyone rather than ,. Well ..nuff said So you think we should force vaccines and if it goes wrong oh well at least it went your way? What I really think is a solution would blow your mind and I'm not gonna go there Quote me where I said anything about forcing vaccines ? Apologies accepted I do apologise I thought you were OP, the haughtiness returned and I lost respect if I'm honest " What on earth are you talking about ? | |||
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"Nothing can be done, does not matter how much evidence is shown that it is safe or disproves that the vaccines cause autism etc, if parents choose not to vaccinate they won't vaccinate. Measles is not the only virus to be making a come back due to that. You could treat it as any other child death, let the police check if the parents could have done things differently. Then possibly prosecute the parents, just like other child deaths. I mean we prosecute parents for negiligence, abuse, etc. Why is this different?" Well perhaps yes. At least to establish the facts. Before anyone starts casting judgements about the parents and the individual circumstances, around Was it an option? Were other factors involved? Other illnesses? Although personally not sure it's a police matter to enforce the administration of vaccines to individuals.... You can imagine how that will go with the religions that don't agree with it. but until the facts are established any comments refeclt more upon the commenter that the circumstances of the death. | |||
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"The grandiosity and want to control others is a massive red flag and I'm seeing so much of it here, more than happy to have a discussion with anyone but I can feel the venom in the replies You keep changing the subject, where did the OP mention forcing people to take a vaccine ? Again, it seems like your only here for an argument " That would be plausible if I was arguing | |||
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