FabSwingers.com forum: Explain sti/stds

By *ootyfruity OP Couple
6 weeks ago

andover

So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
6 weeks ago

Central

You will be able to make your preferences clear and find others who match. Those who use Prep will be testing for all testable STIs and may also use other prophylaxis treatments, preventing other potential infections. But the focus upfront on filtering out the inappropriate people who don't match your interests is, I assume, as easy there as it is here. I don't use that site, so don't have the experience with it. You could potentially meet men here, who may be better matches

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By *anonfire96Man
6 weeks ago

Mansfield

Prep doesn't protect you from any other sti. It helps reduce the risk of HIV , But it also makes guys more promiscuous because they believe they are protected. If you're unsure then don't go there. Even a recent clear sti test isn't a guarantee. Let's not forget you can also catch many nasty sti,s from unprotected oral sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
6 weeks ago

Some feel it is a risk they want to take.

Others are obsessively careful.

You'll find someone who matches your mindset.

Easiest way to decide is to consider the consequences for you and those you love if you did catch something.

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By *illingToHelpMan
6 weeks ago

Oldham or South Shore

There are other pre-exposure, and post-exposure prophylaxis treatments available to protect you from other stuff, too.

The big one, PrEP, protects against HIV. It is available for men who have sex with men (MSM) at most sexual health clinics. Also, people who already have HIV, can protect their partners simply by taking their medication. Someone with an undetectable viral load cannot pass the virus on during unprotected sex. Every person taking their medication will have an undetectable viral load.

People also like to use Doxycycline as protection for other transmissible infections. It has been proven that taking two doses of Doxycycline up to 48 hours after sexual contact effectively protects against chlamydia and gonorrhoea. Doxycycline is readily available, and posted out, when you fill in an online form from an online pharmacy.

Of course, these protections don’t cover you for everything, but it’s a good place to start. Speak to your sexual health nurse, who will be more than happy to discuss this issue with you, and will absolutely support you and put your mind at ease, which is a damn sight better than listening to the teenage-like level of understanding, misinformation, and hysteria about sexual health that you receive in these forums.

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By *a1970Man
6 weeks ago

East cork

Find what you want... Not someone's else bull.... And be particular.

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By *ackformore100Man
6 weeks ago

Tin town

Ointment is what you need

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By *ff_to_button_moonCouple
6 weeks ago

Button Moon (S.Central Hampshire)

Prep taken on an event basis (2-1-1) is a very good way to cover off the HIV risk for occasional bi (anal) play. It is our preferred option as an addition to using condoms (to deal with unlikely but possible condom failure) which are an essential for us (no bare penetrative sex with others). Unfortunately, to get it from a NHS clinic, you may need to state that you 'intend' to have unprotected m-m sex.

An advantage of prep or meeting with men who are on prep is the need to test every three months. Most couples don't test regularly, so this is a step forward. My wife and I stagger our testing, so essentially we are getting results every 6 weeks.

Doxypep has also been mentioned. Take this after an event and this will reduce (not remove) risk of catching various bacterial STIs. The physicians I have spoken to are very anti this as there is a big issue with over usage of antibiotics. Their recommendation is just to test regularly as if you do, any STI (aside from HIV hence the prep) that could be minimised with doxypep can be dealt with completely by a course of prescribed antibiotics before it had a chance to do any meaningful and lasting damage.

At the same time as getting prep sorted you can get your Hep vaccinations and depending on where you are in the country (or where you travel to be seen) you can also get M-Pox and HPV. At the moment, you need to go to London, Brighton or Manchester for M-Pox, but many NHS clinics are happy to see people from out of area (I firmly recommend Central Middlesex Hospital here). HPV isn't commonly available for makes over 45 now, but again is worth having (and can be given by some clinics after 45) as the NHS studies that resulted in the 45 cut-off were based solely around hetrosexual relationships.

So in summary, make an appointment at the Central Middlesex Hospital (quick and easy drive from Andover and you can park for free in Asda across the road), get your Prep, Hep, M-Pox, HPV and start testing regularly. Order some doxypep via Dr Fox online if you want that added protection and then off you go. This has been our preferred route, as whilst we only indulge in safe sex with others, adding in any bi play places a substantial added burden on working to protect the female as there are lots of nasties out there that could affect them more than the male.

Final word from the last physician I spoke to... Go enjoy yourself as you much as you can now as he estimates we have about 5yrs max before Gonorrhea becomes totally immune to the very antiquated antibiotics we have available here in the UK (there are better but the gov won't pay for them.

Happy (and safe) Fabbing

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By *ice136Man
5 weeks ago

HULL

The use of PReP has actually reduced sti infections because of more regular testing.

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By *sameetsMan
5 weeks ago

Hthye

@_ff_to_button_moon gave very concise information about Prep but you should not be pushed into having bb sex if you don’t feel comfortable with it. Do remember your sexual health comes first. Regular testing is the key. Be up front, ask the question when last were tested and talk openly about sexual health.

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By *ackformore100Man
5 weeks ago

Tin town

"The use of PReP has actually reduced sti infections because of more regular testing. "

Is there any evidence of that? The gov website shows infections increasing?

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By *iscreetfuncpl12Couple
5 weeks ago

Somerset

"The use of PReP has actually reduced sti infections because of more regular testing. "
A quick google search gives lots of links to clinical studies that say the exact opposite of that.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
5 weeks ago

Pershore

HPV is the one to watch. No symptoms for years, but a silent killer when it bites back with cancers of the genitals and throat.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
5 weeks ago

chichester

"The use of PReP has actually reduced sti infections because of more regular testing. A quick google search gives lots of links to clinical studies that say the exact opposite of that. "

Because more people are testing now post covid and covid dropped all sti transmission hugely for a duration to below normative levels.

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By *elly72Woman
5 weeks ago

glasgow

Just say no

" So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me"

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By *orny PTMan
5 weeks ago

Peterborough

Read up on the subject. iCash and NHS and try to get an appointment so you can discuss it with a professional.

One man's adventure is another mans' misadventure.

Ask yourself this, 'What nasties will still get you even on prep?'

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By *ichardHereMan
5 weeks ago

London

Buying prep for the purpose of engaging in bb is essentially prostitution. You are paying for sex.

Prep like all drugs also has side-effects known and unknown. Combined with financial burden, you are better off just meeting with someone who gets tested. As many ppl have said already, it only reduces the risk of the big bad std. Need to watch out for others.

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By *igsetMan
5 weeks ago

london

"Buying prep for the purpose of engaging in bb is essentially prostitution. You are paying for sex.

Prep is free on the NHS

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By *ikeValentinaCouple
4 weeks ago

London

We use Prep on an event basis as well as insist on condoms in most cases. We also love the zults app for secure and quick communication about your STI test status.

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By *unlovin72Man
4 weeks ago

BARNSLEY

" So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me"

Basically prep stops you getting Hiv but does not stop any other sti best way is to play safe

or have a partner who is willing to have a full test before having fun

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By *ubGuy1Man
4 weeks ago

Blanchardstown

Prep is free

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By *ucky13kMan
4 weeks ago

Oxfordshire

If someone insist on playing bare and you are not into it or not feeling it - don't!

Their fun is not worth your health.

PREP is ONLY for HIV - lowering infection chance if you had been in contact with it - but in no way it guarantees protection from HIV.

While less likely, it is still possible to get HIV when on PREP.

PREP does not protect you from other STDs either.

As some mentioned before, you should use PREP as an additional safety measure, ie. even when using condoms, when playing with people you don't know etc.

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Being safe and testing regularly does the trick most of the time, I usually wait around month after an encounter/event/party.

Gonorrhoea & Chlamydia are probably the most common STDs and they are still treatable (some might involve just antibiotics or bit more uncomfortable injections).

Syphilis is also a possibility as it's on the rise, it is treatable but it will leave permanent "marker" in your blood that you had it (once you are treated, you will need to tell the nurse before any future tests that you had it so they skip some simple, quick tests that will show positive result for those who are cured)

Last but not least there is also hepatitis, hpv and mpox - which you should be able to get vaccines for if you can, ladies usually had those before but they are being offered to men as well these days

if you have a sexual health clinic nearby, it's always good to get an appointment and discuss everything with the nurse.

Personally I'd stay away from those who don't use condoms, maybe they don't have HIV thanks to PREP but who knows what else they might have.

2h fun is not worth weeks, months, or even years of issues

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By *londebiguyMan
4 weeks ago

Southport

Go speak to the healthcare PROFESSIONALS at your local sexual health clinic.

There is Some good and correct advice here to take note of but also others spouting nonsense and their own version of 'facts'

Speak to specialists in this area for the best advice for you.

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By *ff_to_button_moonCouple
4 weeks ago

Button Moon (S.Central Hampshire)

"Go speak to the healthcare PROFESSIONALS at your local sexual health clinic.

There is Some good and correct advice here to take note of but also others spouting nonsense and their own version of 'facts'

Speak to specialists in this area for the best advice for you."

Agreed, but just be aware that there are healthcare professionals who understand the situation and advise accordingly, and others who prefer simply to follow the government's decisions. The two can deviate dramatically and we have experienced both approaches recently in our preventative sexual health dealings. HPV is a classic example here. The government have decided that it shouldn't be offered to males over 45, despite it making huge sense if you are gay/bi/swinger. Depending on who you end up seeing will dictate what is offered and what is not).

What is universal is the encouragement for testing, testing, testing and more testing. The gay community now have a pretty notorious reputation for playing bare because they are all on Prep (which as we know only provides protection from HIV), BUT to get it (free) they are testing regularly which allows clinics to track other STI infections and deal with them effectively.

We don't play bare, but we do use Prep, have Hep A/B, M-Pox and HPV vaccinations and also have (contentiously) a stock of Doxypep which we might use as a one off for instance if we swallowed a load.

You have to do what you think is right and most importantly YOU need to take responsibility for YOUR sexual health, especially as unlike your normal health, your sexual health can directly affect that of others.

As for taking Prep being like prostitution. What an utterly bizarre comment. Does this mean that using condoms would also make you a prostitue and every Boots store and corner shop manager should be arrested for facilitating and gaining from it?

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By *ussexcouple40Couple
4 weeks ago

Sussex

"Buying prep for the purpose of engaging in bb is essentially prostitution. You are paying for sex. "

That is maybe te most stupid thing anyone has ever posted on this forum. That has taken some doing. Well done

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By *dz69247Man
4 weeks ago

Manchester

As some others have said we are in a rare golden age of bare sex at the moment.

Prep and doxy have been immense in allowing people to have sex bare with the reduce risk of catching a std.

However viruses and bacteria evolve and change, and like some have estimated it’s only a few years until one evolves and doxy or other anti biotics are no longer viable.

My usual routine is this

- Monthly testing, without fail, using a full std test (costs £179 absolute robbery, but checks for everything)

- event based prep if anal involved, the risk to a male for HIV with vaginal sex is low, almost zero if safe (e.g regular person not a not a injectable drug user). However if I’m having sex with a lady or male (very rare) anally I will take prep beforehand, and after.

- doxy, I take doxy after major events, such as cream pie gangbangs etc. never usually nor vanilla type sex though.

- hygiene, this one is seriously underrated, but wash your dick after sex, with soap, seriously, even if planning for round two/ three etc. this helps with HPV etc.

In the many years I’ve been swinging and shagging bare, I’ve never once caught anything.

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By *uckurcumMan
4 weeks ago

Bishop Auckland

We are all adults and take our own decisions...

No one should ever coerce someone into bareback if it's not wanted ...

prep or no prep ...

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By *ontowatchMan
3 weeks ago

east sussex

Thanks for sharing this well informed information

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By *londebiguyMan
3 weeks ago

Southport

"As some others have said we are in a rare golden age of bare sex at the moment.

Prep and doxy have been immense in allowing people to have sex bare with the reduce risk of catching a std.

However viruses and bacteria evolve and change, and like some have estimated it’s only a few years until one evolves and doxy or other anti biotics are no longer viable.

My usual routine is this

- Monthly testing, without fail, using a full std test (costs £179 absolute robbery, but checks for everything)

- doxy, I take doxy after major events, such as cream pie gangbangs etc. never usually nor vanilla type sex though.

- hygiene, this one is seriously underrated, but wash your dick after sex, with soap, seriously, even if planning for round two/ three etc. this helps with HPV etc.

In the many years I’ve been swinging and shagging bare, I’ve never once caught anything."

Why don't you test at a sexual health clinic for free?

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By *dz69247Man
3 weeks ago

Manchester

They don’t test for everything, they only test the basics which is absolutely fine, but rather make sure am totally clean (well as clean as can be, some infections can take a couple of weeks to show)

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By *hilledExplorerMan
2 weeks ago

Colchester

So many guys I have met over the years and still talk to/occasionally meet have have had positive STI tests in the last 18 months- including several who have had multiple. Before that it was very rare.

In part that's probably the increased testing that comes with prep use but we are all convinced that STIs are on the up as bareback sex becomes more common again- and it seems to be the vast majority now that engage in bb.

On the one hand it doesn't matter as it's treatable. On the other there's lots of people with partners etc who are having sex with men and not testing etc, and they should probably think through the increases risk of that in the prep era.

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By *anonfire96Man
2 weeks ago

Mansfield

My sexual health clinic tests for everything, three vials of blood urine dip test. Oral test. And it's all tested within one hour of bloods being taken. Bloods that are over four hours old may no longer be viable for testing as they start to break down immediately and may not grow the cultures.

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By *orny PTMan
2 weeks ago

Peterborough

"The use of PReP has actually reduced sti infections because of more regular testing. "

That's good to know.

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By *egoMan
2 weeks ago

Preston

Isn’t that a good sign they aren't too clued up on the whole thing?

There’s still gestation periods, contact of warm-wet membranes etc.

just because I've had HepC vaccine doesn't mean i should swim in sewers.

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By *londebiguyMan
2 weeks ago

Southport

"My sexual health clinic tests for everything, three vials of blood urine dip test. Oral test. And it's all tested within one hour of bloods being taken. Bloods that are over four hours old may no longer be viable for testing as they start to break down immediately and may not grow the cultures. "

Exactly.

Mine too.

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By *oodtimesahead77Man
2 weeks ago

Wallingford

Sounds like a death trap. Just do what you’re comfortable with. That’s the bottom line (pun not intended)

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By *ertifiedDreamerMan
2 weeks ago

London

Best way to approach this is to play with people who regularly test. Text message history of testing going back 2 years at least. That's key for me. And get your vaccines.

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By *carlettsWoman
2 weeks ago

Harpenden

It does amaze me just how clueless some people are on here or that they just don't care about their or others sexual health.

I can see a lot of very sensible people here on this thread though that respect themsleves and others when its come to staying safe so well done to you xx

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By *uilder.funMan
2 weeks ago

Bristol

Fuck that! Condoms only, are they even that bad guys come on. So much risk just to have a condom free orgasm?!

People came say they test etc etc all they like but at the end of the day if they're willing to do it with you, you can bet they're willing to do it with someone else as well

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By *ets_Wank_TogetherMan
2 weeks ago

Skelmersdale

"Fuck that! Condoms only, are they even that bad guys come on. So much risk just to have a condom free orgasm?!

People came say they test etc etc all they like but at the end of the day if they're willing to do it with you, you can bet they're willing to do it with someone else as well "

Absolutely. Each person you have sex with is but one link in a chain, or perhaps it's more accurate to say one point in an interconnected web of encounters.

The other thing that I've never been quite able to get my head around is that people will often talk about testing like it's some kind of prophylactic. It's not. By the time you've got a positive hit on a test it's already too late.

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By *appyman3943Man
2 weeks ago

Aberdeen

"Prep doesn't protect you from any other sti. It helps reduce the risk of HIV , But it also makes guys more promiscuous because they believe they are protected. If you're unsure then don't go there. Even a recent clear sti test isn't a guarantee. Let's not forget you can also catch many nasty sti,s from unprotected oral sex. "

I’ve always been wary of the dangers of oral sex and wondered if I was being way too cautious about it. What do others think?

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By *ikeValentinaCouple
2 weeks ago

London

I agree that testing isn’t the ultimate solution, but it’s one step in the right direction. By testing regularly, using condoms and Prep/DoxyPep you can reduce the risk substantially to a level you can be comfortable with. Complete celibacy is the only way to have zero risk, and since we don’t want that, we just have to decide what risk we are ok with.

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By *i4twoMan
2 weeks ago

Taunton

" So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me"

I stopped using fab guys for this reason. I only had 2 meets but walked away from both because the guys insisted on bareback once we met, even though we agreed on condoms during our messages.

One blamed me for wasting his time, the other begrudgingly said Ok he’d wear a condom for sex, but I’d have to suck him bare and then swallow his load to make up for it - I left straight away.

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By *uzzbMan
2 weeks ago

nr Sherborne

For years I always insisted on condoms , but still caught two stds. I was offered PrEP by my Clinic , and as I was curious about bb, took the plunge. I have really enjoyed the freedom and feeling of playing bb - I like to be fucked and to be bred , as I want the guy to fulfil his biological mission ! I appreciate all the sensible arguments for and against bb and know there is always a risk , but do get tested regularly and haven't had any more stds to contend with over six years now.

It would be wise not too, but we are all free-willed , unwise and make our own decisions, for better or worse.

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By *hilledExplorerMan
2 weeks ago

Colchester

I’ve always been wary of the dangers of oral sex and wondered if I was being way too cautious about it. What do others think?"

No risk for some STIs, some risk for others, but a much lower risk than penetrative.

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By *hilledExplorerMan
2 weeks ago

Colchester

"For years I always insisted on condoms , but still caught two stds. I was offered PrEP by my Clinic , and as I was curious about bb, took the plunge. I have really enjoyed the freedom and feeling of playing bb - I like to be fucked and to be bred , as I want the guy to fulfil his biological mission ! I appreciate all the sensible arguments for and against bb and know there is always a risk , but do get tested regularly and haven't had any more stds to contend with over six years now.

It would be wise not too, but we are all free-willed , unwise and make our own decisions, for better or worse."
You got 2x STDs from protected penetrative sex? That's like winning the bad lottery.

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By *uzzbMan
2 weeks ago

nr Sherborne

you never quite know where you are - the condom goes on and then you are lost in a sexual haze. Do they come off , are they removed and you don't notice ? Yes, it was bad luck.

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By *appyman3943Man
2 weeks ago

Aberdeen

I’ve always been wary of the dangers of oral sex and wondered if I was being way too cautious about it. What do others think?

No risk for some STIs, some risk for others, but a much lower risk than penetrative."

I’d read that the risk was mainly if you had exposed sores cuts etc in your mouth to allow transmission, no idea how true that is. Not that I’d ever go near a mouth like that!

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By *hilledExplorerMan
2 weeks ago

Colchester

I’ve always been wary of the dangers of oral sex and wondered if I was being way too cautious about it. What do others think?

No risk for some STIs, some risk for others, but a much lower risk than penetrative.

I’d read that the risk was mainly if you had exposed sores cuts etc in your mouth to allow transmission, no idea how true that is. Not that I’d ever go near a mouth like that!"

That's for HIV. But the risk of HIV from recieving a BJ is non existent (no recorded cases) and from giving one its miniscule as well (to the extent that it's hardly ever happened).

Unfortunately however you can get Gonorreah from giving and oral- fairly low risk, but it happens. Less so chlymidia. Syphillis is rare but also possible.

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By *ankiMan
1 week ago

Gloucester

I fear the risk of HIV that because I play with condom, the female should be able tell if they have a clean sexual life, recent text and willing to text. I refuse BJ as I have sore after using condom.

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By *teff33TV/TS
1 week ago

midlands

When you say safe sex are you doing oral with a condom?

Just remember all these viruses can be caught through oral sex but many take that risk without a thought.

Some great advice and info up there as far as prep, vaccination and doxy prep go.

At the end of the day only do what you feel comfortable with risking, but at minimum you need to be on prep and have hep jabs before even contemplating it.

Personally prep is my back up and condoms do break.

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By *inceIlkestonMan
6 days ago

Ilkeston

" So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me"

visit you sti clinic and answer about you lifestyle and they'll give you free advice rather than guesswork.i did.

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By *ongandharderMan
6 days ago

Rotherham

" So Iv joined fab guys as have wanted to start exploring my bi side.

So many guys want bareback and under no circumstances use condoms. This is because they are on PrEP and say they are protected.

But I don’t understand how they do not believe they will be free and clear of other Sti/std, there’s other permanent ones out there.

I want to explore my bi side, but this does scare me"

Yeah I wouldn't be doing that condoms would be a deal breaker

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By *riel13Woman
6 days ago

Northampton

I had a guy ask if he would need to use a condom for anal because I couldn't get pregnant then... I mean, what the actual fuck

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By *lusherCouple
6 days ago

bodmin

Nothing really protects against stupidity

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