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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. " Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example?" Maybe. I'd think about the whataboutisms if they ever happen. | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? Maybe. I'd think about the whataboutisms if they ever happen. "  | |||
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"I would say out of everybody i know 60% were fully vaccinated up until probs start of last year and i dont know a single person including grandparents ect who would have a booster now, most dont even get the flu jab now " Probs ? Won't get flu jab ? | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab " Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. " Fear porn. Is it safe to go out? | |||
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"If offered a free Covid booster I would take it, as I would any other reccomended vaccination. I wouldn't pay £100 for one. Nita" Isn't £100 a small price to pay for peace of mind and not dying from COVID-19? | |||
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"If offered a free Covid booster I would take it, as I would any other reccomended vaccination. I wouldn't pay £100 for one. Nita" Remember, you're protecting the vulnerable and the NHS. | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses. The University of Washington released the study very recently. It was a small test group but the results were clear I’ll be interested to see it peer reviewed. Please don’t pile on because I’m saying something that is hard to hear. We are adults, if you don’t understand the responsibility of informed consent, this may not be the forum for you." Obviously we're learning every day, the virus is only 4 years old. | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example?" I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people" Sadly there are many on here with first hand knowledge of cancer …. No excuse for comments such “turbo cancer” and “designed to give people “ | |||
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"If offered a free Covid booster I would take it, as I would any other reccomended vaccination. I wouldn't pay £100 for one. Nita Remember, you're protecting the vulnerable and the NHS." Lol | |||
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"If offered a free Covid booster I would take it, as I would any other reccomended vaccination. I wouldn't pay £100 for one. Nita --- Remember, you're protecting the vulnerable and the NHS." The reason that it's not free anymore is that the current risk level has dropped significantly. If this situation changed to a point that Covid was presenting a significant risk to public health, then the vaccines would be offered for free again. | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people" If that is the case, why are they now charging for it, that's going to slow down their plans for the great reset new world order? | |||
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"“Turbo cancer” what a pathetic and insulting comment to anyone who suffered the coward that is cancer. Hang your head in shame" couldn’t agree more | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people Sadly there are many on here with first hand knowledge of cancer …. No excuse for comments such “turbo cancer” and “designed to give people “" exactly I’ve lost a few to cancer I nearly lost my son some people just don’t think before the comment | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example?" viruses don’t work like that. They may become more transmissible but they also become more mild. It is not in the virus’ interest to kill off its host, that is why as it mutates, it becomes much less serious in nature. Anyway, the vaccine that is given is usually the previous strain and most of us would’ve been exposed to that by the time you have had the vaccine. Each to their own but I’m not interested in a vaccine that a) doesn’t stop you getting the virus b) doesn’t stop you from transmitting the virus c) lines the overly capacious wallets of big Pharma and their very, very dodgy track record. | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people" Someone's been watching too much you tube | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses..." If your immune system doesn't recognise the pathogen through its memory cells, then it'll simply start afresh. | |||
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"If offered a free Covid booster I would take it, as I would any other reccomended vaccination. I wouldn't pay £100 for one. Nita --- Remember, you're protecting the vulnerable and the NHS. The reason that it's not free anymore is that the current risk level has dropped significantly. If this situation changed to a point that Covid was presenting a significant risk to public health, then the vaccines would be offered for free again. " Thank you for summarising the situation. | |||
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"I'd definitely be more inclined to get a free booster as £100 is a lot of money for a lot of people. I qualify for free flu jabs so would likely continue to be offered a free COVID booster anyway. One thing I noticed this winter compared to the previous, is that it wasn't as easy to get the COVID booster. 22/23 I was able to go into my local pharmacy, scan a QR code to fill in a few details, and get flu and COVID jabs there and then. This winter when I asked about getting both it was a no. I'd have to book it at one of 2 places like Boots or somewhere further out, or at my gp surgery. I'm so much more likely to do something if I can get it as a walk in. Making plans more than a couple of days in advance rarely works out because my health is so unreliable - ironically, made much worse from having severe COVID in October 2020. " ..yes it's been getting harder. We have more and more things to check now when we get people coming for their vaccines. Luckily my disabled ( immune compromised) daughter will still get offered a free one but if not for her I would pay for it. X | |||
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"I would say out of everybody i know 60% were fully vaccinated up until probs start of last year and i dont know a single person including grandparents ect who would have a booster now, most dont even get the flu jab now " From a perspective if offered yes I'll have it, not sure I can get it privately locally. Certainly no publicity regarding it. | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. " I haven't had the flu jab for 8 years now, had it once and it made me really ill. I've had flu since then and it was nowhere near as bad as the jab side effects. Never had the COVID ones either. | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. I haven't had the flu jab for 8 years now, had it once and it made me really ill. I've had flu since then and it was nowhere near as bad as the jab side effects. Never had the COVID ones either. " I felt horrendous after every flu jab I have had. Only felt after the first covid jab nothing after the booster. Never had the flu but as bad I felt after my flu jabs I doubt it would be as bad as actual flu i.e wasn't bed ridden for a couple of weeks. | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. I haven't had the flu jab for 8 years now, had it once and it made me really ill. I've had flu since then and it was nowhere near as bad as the jab side effects. Never had the COVID ones either. " If you had the flu you'd have been wiped out for up to two weeks and probably unable to get out of bed at all for the first two or three days otherwise you probably had a cold. | |||
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"Probs - probably And correct the wont get the flu jab Hope they get don't get the flu, really nasty bug. Strange decision not to get it. I haven't had the flu jab for 8 years now, had it once and it made me really ill. I've had flu since then and it was nowhere near as bad as the jab side effects. Never had the COVID ones either. I felt horrendous after every flu jab I have had. Only felt after the first covid jab nothing after the booster. Never had the flu but as bad I felt after my flu jabs I doubt it would be as bad as actual flu i.e wasn't bed ridden for a couple of weeks." This is why I stopped having anymore after that first one. | |||
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"I would say out of everybody i know 60% were fully vaccinated up until probs start of last year and i dont know a single person including grandparents ect who would have a booster now, most dont even get the flu jab now From a perspective if offered yes I'll have it, not sure I can get it privately locally. Certainly no publicity regarding it." Typically the NHS contact those of us who are eligible directly, encouraging us to book our vaccinations. I don't know whether the spring booster invites have started yet but assume it will be within a few days/weeks. For the privately purchased vaccines, I'm guessing that the volume of predicted sales/profits will probably mean that chemists will rely on people contacting them directly, though they may have some posters in their premises, promoting it. (They do this with the flu vaccines in winter). | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again " Didn't AZ withdraw their vaccination over the clot saga? AZ didn't use the mRNA tech. | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again Didn't AZ withdraw their vaccination over the clot saga? AZ didn't use the mRNA tech." Yes they did withdraw it.. though Pfizer,J&J, Moderna did and they have all been linked to the above side effects i mentioned… Sadly none of them stopped transition or COVID, as was stated by Professor Bossche, you do not introduce a vax half way through a pandemic as it will have nil effect.. And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… | |||
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" And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… " Wow .... Incredibly misinformed. Wow... | |||
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" Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. " Professor Yeardon Emeritus Professor of Computer Simulation in Sport Professor McCulloch Professor of Polymer Materials in the Chemistry Department at Imperial College London Professor malone Assume you mean the nursing teacher who isn't a professor Professor Bossche Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences rehabilitation science All linked as no qualifications in immunology or virology? | |||
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" And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… Wow .... Incredibly misinformed. Wow..." I didn't think that was still being peddled x | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again Didn't AZ withdraw their vaccination over the clot saga? AZ didn't use the mRNA tech. Yes they did withdraw it.. though Pfizer,J&J, Moderna did and they have all been linked to the above side effects i mentioned… Sadly none of them stopped transition or COVID, as was stated by Professor Bossche, you do not introduce a vax half way through a pandemic as it will have nil effect.. And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… " All BS. No, the spike doesn’t travel in other organs And the “experts” you talk about are a bunch of deluded grifters. Jog on. | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again " What a bunch of lies. The funny thing is, despite despicable people like the one you cited (and yourself for believing them and spreading their nonsense) mRNA vaccines are the future and we’ll continue to vaccinate all over the world. Science is a serious thing. Has nothing to do with yourself, or the grifters you named. | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses. The University of Washington released the study very recently. It was a small test group but the results were clear I’ll be interested to see it peer reviewed. Please don’t pile on because I’m saying something that is hard to hear. We are adults, if you don’t understand the responsibility of informed consent, this may not be the forum for you." An American university with a member of the tea party who is the Dean of it. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again What a bunch of lies. The funny thing is, despite despicable people like the one you cited (and yourself for believing them and spreading their nonsense) mRNA vaccines are the future and we’ll continue to vaccinate all over the world. More American tea party crap Science is a serious thing. Has nothing to do with yourself, or the grifters you named." | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again What a bunch of lies. The funny thing is, despite despicable people like the one you cited (and yourself for believing them and spreading their nonsense) mRNA vaccines are the future and we’ll continue to vaccinate all over the world. Science is a serious thing. Has nothing to do with yourself, or the grifters you named." Total right wing bollocks vaccine saves lives. | |||
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"Having worked through COVID and seen close up, first hand, the effects of COVID and the vax. From the get go the conversations around the vax were one of caution… Professors Yeardon, Mcullough, Malone, Bossche etal… all leading experts in their respective disciplines. All expressed concerns about the MRNA technology.. So long as you remember that if you catch it or flu you have good grace to avoid an NHS bed and go to Washington ststeand ask themm to care fore for you It has, and is, been proved that unequivocally there is linkage of increased heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.. Currently, Ran Paul MD-Senator has been cross examining A.Fauci about gain of function, the manipulation of viruses… There are now law suits against the major pharma companies around the side effects… Bodily autonomy is key and choice over force, to choose your medical treatment is crucial. There never should be mandates on any medical procedures or lockdowns again What a bunch of lies. The funny thing is, despite despicable people like the one you cited (and yourself for believing them and spreading their nonsense) mRNA vaccines are the future and we’ll continue to vaccinate all over the world. Science is a serious thing. Has nothing to do with yourself, or the grifters you named." | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. " your so wrong it isn't funny . And it's very disrespectful for the people that lost loved ones... my daughter was not very old or very ill... she now has her life changed by catching this virus... that was not flu... ( not that flu is nothing) | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. " With respect, clicking in a forum named "virus" and a thread containing the name "COVID" is a red flag you shouldn't have ignored if you don't want to hear about COVID anymore. It's not gone, it's changed and will always be there and you have to bury your head very deep to not hear about it. | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. " I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll. | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll." Yes, some younger people got it and had complications, etc. However, exceptions don't make the rule. Generally, the vast majority of the population survived without any ill effects. Those that died or had complications were a tiny proportion of the population. Relly, really tiny. Should we focus the same amount on flu, measles, chicken pox, shingles, HIV, etc? Again, some people die from that, or get serious complications. This focus on covid is just over the top. | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll. Yes, some younger people got it and had complications, etc. However, exceptions don't make the rule. Generally, the vast majority of the population survived without any ill effects. Those that died or had complications were a tiny proportion of the population. Relly, really tiny. Should we focus the same amount on flu, measles, chicken pox, shingles, HIV, etc? Again, some people die from that, or get serious complications. This focus on covid is just over the top." did you miss the numbers dying each week from covid at the height.. what about those now suffering long term affects from covid. And I suppose it's okay that it just killed those already poorly 
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll. Yes, some younger people got it and had complications, etc. However, exceptions don't make the rule. Generally, the vast majority of the population survived without any ill effects. Those that died or had complications were a tiny proportion of the population. Relly, really tiny. Should we focus the same amount on flu, measles, chicken pox, shingles, HIV, etc? Again, some people die from that, or get serious complications. This focus on covid is just over the top." We do focus the same on Flu, measles, chicken pox and HIV. Some vaccines are normally given at a very young age and some are currently available annually. Didn't you know that ? Did you get the "small" death numbers from the same (unreliable) sources you quoted above ? The nutty professors lol. | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? Maybe. I'd think about the whataboutisms if they ever happen. " That's really not how that expression works at all ! | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll. Yes, some younger people got it and had complications, etc. However, exceptions don't make the rule. Generally, the vast majority of the population survived without any ill effects. Those that died or had complications were a tiny proportion of the population. Relly, really tiny. Should we focus the same amount on flu, measles, chicken pox, shingles, HIV, etc? Again, some people die from that, or get serious complications. This focus on covid is just over the top." So speaks the fab scientists. We must all listen and believe... Unbelievable. | |||
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"Covid is over. It turned out to be hysteria over nothing. I don't want to hear about covid anymore. We trashed the world economy over what was basically flu that killed mostly the very old and very ill. I had COVID in early 2021. Spent 8weeks in hospital. Most of it in intensive care, family told to make preparations for me passing away. Kids traumatised, I can assure you there was nothing hysteria based about it. Stop being a troll." Precisely. I lost a couple of friends. Both fit and healthy previously. One was superfit and a marathon and ultra marathon competitor. It's unbelievable that anyone can comment it was nothing to worry about. People lost loved ones. It's at the least very insensitive. | |||
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"The message was a reply to that bob Ross lookalike crossed with Ed Sheeran that comes in a swinging site to say antivax bullsh#t. Sorry everyone, but I can’t suffer those fools" Hey Bob Ross never done wrong to no one. | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses. The University of Washington released the study very recently. It was a small test group but the results were clear I’ll be interested to see it peer reviewed. Please don’t pile on because I’m saying something that is hard to hear. We are adults, if you don’t understand the responsibility of informed consent, this may not be the forum for you. Obviously we're learning every day, the virus is only 4 years old." Only 4 years old?  shows how little you really know roll up your sleeve | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example? I’d much rather avoid the turbo cancer and all the other health issues it has been designed to give people" Absolutely bang on | |||
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"I've happily never had one, I definitely wouldn't pay at all. Even if it mutated, was far more deadly and you were more vulnerable, with health issues, or it became much more contagious and deadly and had vulnerable contacts, for example?viruses don’t work like that. They may become more transmissible but they also become more mild. It is not in the virus’ interest to kill off its host, that is why as it mutates, it becomes much less serious in nature. Anyway, the vaccine that is given is usually the previous strain and most of us would’ve been exposed to that by the time you have had the vaccine. Each to their own but I’m not interested in a vaccine that a) doesn’t stop you getting the virus b) doesn’t stop you from transmitting the virus c) lines the overly capacious wallets of big Pharma and their very, very dodgy track record. " (Hand clap emojis here) | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses... If your immune system doesn't recognise the pathogen through its memory cells, then it'll simply start afresh." Sadly that is not what I understand from these studies. Apparently your immune system has no reason to start afresh because it mis-recognises the infection. All future covid immune responses are alpha specific, fixed. | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses... If your immune system doesn't recognise the pathogen through its memory cells, then it'll simply start afresh. Sadly that is not what I understand from these studies. Apparently your immune system has no reason to start afresh because it mis-recognises the infection. All future covid immune responses are alpha specific, fixed." If you want to look this up, try: Immune imprinted Original antigenic sin Hoskins effect Primary addiction. | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago " What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. | |||
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"No such thing as free... It may be freely dispensed.. thats not free (drug companies will be paid) thats tax payer funded "So is treatment when you catch covid and long covid as friends of mine have caught. Nurses , firefighters. | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant." Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”? | |||
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"People who have had 3 vaccines or more for the original variant may now be “strongly immune imprinted”. In simple terms, another modern jab will produce a response appropriate for the old Woohan strain, not COVID-19 XBB.1.5 that it is designed for. Same if you catch the new covid. You would be producing outdated immune responses... If your immune system doesn't recognise the pathogen through its memory cells, then it'll simply start afresh. Sadly that is not what I understand from these studies. Apparently your immune system has no reason to start afresh because it mis-recognises the infection. All future covid immune responses are alpha specific, fixed." Didn't you state it was a small study? It's possibly an anomaly. Think about cancer. In its simplest terms cell regeneration is skipping a step in its sequencing. This could be the same (missing a step). Until more and more evidence comes to light, we cannot ascribe this study to state this happens to everyone. The opportune thing about this pandemic is that we have the potential to further our knowledge about immunology. | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”?" Isolate reported COVID deaths and isolate reported flu deaths for the above periods. The facts are out there if you choose to believe them. Are you saying the vaccine is and was irrelevant? Is the flu vaccine useless too ? How about MMR ? Hot topic at the moment ? If you're minded not to believe facts you'll always come up with an alternative view, none more ridiculous than some of the replies here. That's life. | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”?" Those who were with the virus forum from the very start, and the other forums as the spread of covid was starting but before there even was a virus section, may remember that I was graphing and predicting numbers of cases and numbers of deaths. You don't need to take my word for it, on the normal computer version of the website (but sadly not the phone app version of fab) you can access the archives of every forum post ever made. So everything I said is recorded history. Likewise all the actual statistics of cases, deaths etc are available online through reputable sites (ie. not youtube tosh) even though our caring western governments would like to hide the info as it shows them in a bad light. Basically, it's recorded fact that I was right in everything I said. Covid did spread faster than any other disease in recorded history, it has had chance to mutate more and more quickly than any other virus in history (purely because of the number of hosts and the speed of spread), it did kill a phenomenal number of people, and it is still causing untold harm. It is not yet clear what the long term effects might be on every person who has been infected at any time with covid - hiv takes five years to convert into aids and kill 100% of those infected (in the absence of hiv drugs which took 20 years to develop) - although reseach seems to indicate that covid, like hiv, does manage to hide and stay resident within the body in most people even after an apparent full recovery from infection, and of course there are no current drugs for treating whatever possible eventual damage. It is certainly clear that in at least a small number of "long covid" sufferers (but a high percentage of those who have actually been studied to the required level) there is evidence of immune system deterioration at least as bad as aids patients. I don't claim to be an expert on all the science, but I am math capable and can critically evaluate sources to separate informed research from fantasy or even malicious snake oil peddling. Long story short, listen to Polly, she is right. Ignore all covid minimisers, they are talking through their arses. | |||
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"So what are the total numbers?? " The important statistics are the rates of increase and decrease of COVID related deaths during the two year period from discovery until a year after vaccination and before during and after lockdowns | |||
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"So your saying the other deaths arent important because they font suit your argument?? " What are you talking about. Every preventable death is a tragedy, the topic of the section is virus and the topic of the thread is COVID so I'm supposing it's relevant to discuss COVID deaths ? By the way it's a discussion, not an argument lol | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”? Isolate reported COVID deaths and isolate reported flu deaths for the above periods. The facts are out there if you choose to believe them. Are you saying the vaccine is and was irrelevant? Is the flu vaccine useless too ? How about MMR ? Hot topic at the moment ? If you're minded not to believe facts you'll always come up with an alternative view, none more ridiculous than some of the replies here. That's life. I’m simply asking questions to understand this better. It is a forum after all. None of this is clear cut or transparent." And I was quite simply discussing your points, it is a forum after all. | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”? Isolate reported COVID deaths and isolate reported flu deaths for the above periods. The facts are out there if you choose to believe them. Are you saying the vaccine is and was irrelevant? Is the flu vaccine useless too ? How about MMR ? Hot topic at the moment ? If you're minded not to believe facts you'll always come up with an alternative view, none more ridiculous than some of the replies here. That's life. I’m simply asking questions to understand this better. It is a forum after all. None of this is clear cut or transparent. And I was quite simply discussing your points, it is a forum after all." Can you see how hard it is to claim the vaccine worked when most of the population may have already developed natural immunity prior to the jab? | |||
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"We wont ever know whether deaths would be higher or lower with/without lockdowns, vaccines 2m distance masks the evidence we have has too many variables and holes " Thankfully, there's tons of good evidence. And incrementally, you can have compound benefits that can be enough to heavily suppress problems at both an individual and societal level | |||
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"What were the total death numbers ive not looked for a while last i heard it were 220,000 but that coyld be over a year ago What you need to look at is a graph of deaths from Jan 2020 to Jan 2024 Mark points at start and end of lockdowns and introduction of vaccines and you'll see immediately how both worked If you really want you can look at flu deaths for a 4 year period prior to COVID, if I recall 2018 was a really bad year with an Aussie variant. Is that all cause deaths? Far less driving through lockdown. Far less road deaths, yes? Less germs spread, yes? Less d*unken holidays and associated accidents,yes? As to the vaccine, most of us had already had covid, the majority of those cases asymptomatic so the population already had developed immunity before being jabbed. How can you credit the vaccine for a disease we’d already “taken on the chin”? Isolate reported COVID deaths and isolate reported flu deaths for the above periods. The facts are out there if you choose to believe them. Are you saying the vaccine is and was irrelevant? Is the flu vaccine useless too ? How about MMR ? Hot topic at the moment ? If you're minded not to believe facts you'll always come up with an alternative view, none more ridiculous than some of the replies here. That's life. I’m simply asking questions to understand this better. It is a forum after all. None of this is clear cut or transparent. And I was quite simply discussing your points, it is a forum after all. Can you see how hard it is to claim the vaccine worked when most of the population may have already developed natural immunity prior to the jab?" No. It's just another "maybe" It's an irrefutable fact that vaccines work, how many lives they saved is incalculable but so is how many had developed "natural" immunity | |||
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"Would say that the vaccine for most is no longer needed and those who are most at risk will still get a free vaccine so all is good. What I would like to see is the money saved ploughed into tackling the underlying health issues that cause people to become high risk in the first place but realise that is not going to happen." Correct, and the science and governments have said this. There will be no money "saved" as none of it was planned expenditure though. | |||
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"Would say that the vaccine for most is no longer needed and those who are most at risk will still get a free vaccine so all is good. What I would like to see is the money saved ploughed into tackling the underlying health issues that cause people to become high risk in the first place but realise that is not going to happen. Correct, and the science and governments have said this. There will be no money "saved" as none of it was planned expenditure though. " Could not have put it better myself. | |||
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"Mate, you really really need to stop spreading misinformation here. Anyone can see from a mile that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You come up every week with a new “study” that you don’t understand, spreading fear of vaccinations. What comes to you, other than having a bit of attention, I honestly don’t know. Covid vaccines are very safe. There is no evidence whatsoever that they do any damage to your immune system and if that was true, given the number of vaccinated people in the world you would see a massacre. Which is not happening. Stop lying." You’re wrong. Many cases of harm caused. Sychophantic media ignoring it. Tragic. | |||
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" And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… Wow .... Incredibly misinformed. Wow..." That's not miss information. Spike proteins definitely do not stay at the injection site. | |||
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" And, sadly the spike protein did not stay at the site of injection, it travelled to all major organs… Wow .... Incredibly misinformed. Wow... That's not miss information. Spike proteins definitely do not stay at the injection site." But to suggest it wasn't right is misinformation | |||
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