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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? " It's up to Public Health England to do measles vaccines promotion. They CAN use you tube amongst other avenues. | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. " The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated  . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology  | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology "Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination. Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report. Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children. | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children."
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner! | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner! "And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever! 
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
"Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.  | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this. " | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this. "Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products! Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.
Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products!
Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid "And yet without big corporations we would all be living on what we grow in our back yard | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.
Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products!
Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid
And yet without big corporations we would all be living on what we grow in our back yard "Happy days | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.
Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products!
Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid "No. He created a smear campaign, starting with some phony research he did and falsified the results of. He'd got apparent plans to benefit financially, from the fear of vaccines that he created and potential legal cases and damages. The vaccines were totally safe. Meanwhile, places like the UK have stopped being safe. Our risks for measles are high, as his fabricated vaccine story created fear, for millions of people . | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.
Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products!
Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid
No. He created a smear campaign, starting with some phony research he did and falsified the results of. He'd got apparent plans to benefit financially, from the fear of vaccines that he created and potential legal cases and damages. The vaccines were totally safe.
Meanwhile, places like the UK have stopped being safe. Our risks for measles are high, as his fabricated vaccine story created fear, for millions of people . " | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. " It's such a pity that very limited health budgets would be needed to make such an extra promotional campaign .
We've probably been lulled into a false sense of security, since the times when these infections were rampant and usual, before vaccines were widely available. | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. " Due to strategies taken during the pandemic, we were less exposed to the normal seasonal viruses. The viruses continue to mutate irrelevant to our individual exposure. Ffwd 2-3 years and our immune systems haven't evolved with multiple mutations. I hypothesise this affects us at a greater severity. It's all about whether our immune memory cells recognise the pathogen, if not the process starts anew. | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. Due to strategies taken during the pandemic, we were less exposed to the normal seasonal viruses. The viruses continue to mutate irrelevant to our individual exposure. Ffwd 2-3 years and our immune systems haven't evolved with multiple mutations. I hypothesise this affects us at a greater severity. It's all about whether our immune memory cells recognise the pathogen, if not the process starts anew." Virus mutation has nothing to do with the rise in measles incidents it is down to people not getting their children vaccinated. | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. Due to strategies taken during the pandemic, we were less exposed to the normal seasonal viruses. The viruses continue to mutate irrelevant to our individual exposure. Ffwd 2-3 years and our immune systems haven't evolved with multiple mutations. I hypothesise this affects us at a greater severity. It's all about whether our immune memory cells recognise the pathogen, if not the process starts anew. Virus mutation has nothing to do with the rise in measles incidents it is down to people not getting their children vaccinated. " I think Amelie was referring to the point made that colds etc seem to be having a stronger effect on us, since the pandemic - detailing how our immune systems were somewhat deprived of exposure for a good while, thus not getting primed. Your point on measles is absolutely right. The lack of parents getting their children vaccinated, is the reason for our higher risk of measles cases. We need 95% vaccination levels but have just 85% of children vaccinated  | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. Due to strategies taken during the pandemic, we were less exposed to the normal seasonal viruses. The viruses continue to mutate irrelevant to our individual exposure. Ffwd 2-3 years and our immune systems haven't evolved with multiple mutations. I hypothesise this affects us at a greater severity. It's all about whether our immune memory cells recognise the pathogen, if not the process starts anew. Virus mutation has nothing to do with the rise in measles incidents it is down to people not getting their children vaccinated. " I was responding to the previous poster's last sentence. | |||
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"The MMR vaccine was controversial before the 1998 report came out. I’ve had all three of mine vaccinated. Maybe if more was done to publicise what these three illnesses can do to a child or an adult, then more would get their child vaccinated. I don’t believe there is any correlation between this and the covid vaccination. I was against the covid vaccination due to the fast track way in which it was approved by the MHRA due to their historic lack of action on mesh issues. More people are taking longer to recover from colds a s flus now than pre covid. Due to strategies taken during the pandemic, we were less exposed to the normal seasonal viruses. The viruses continue to mutate irrelevant to our individual exposure. Ffwd 2-3 years and our immune systems haven't evolved with multiple mutations. I hypothesise this affects us at a greater severity. It's all about whether our immune memory cells recognise the pathogen, if not the process starts anew. Virus mutation has nothing to do with the rise in measles incidents it is down to people not getting their children vaccinated. I think Amelie was referring to the point made that colds etc seem to be having a stronger effect on us, since the pandemic - detailing how our immune systems were somewhat deprived of exposure for a good while, thus not getting primed. Your point on measles is absolutely right. The lack of parents getting their children vaccinated, is the reason for our higher risk of measles cases. We need 95% vaccination levels but have just 85% of children vaccinated "Yep  | |||
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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? " Get your fucking kids vaccinated.... it's not rocket science | |||
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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? Get your fucking kids vaccinated.... it's not rocket science " Regrettably, almost 10% of kids aren't getting them . How would you achieve getting more done? | |||
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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? Get your fucking kids vaccinated.... it's not rocket science Regrettably, almost 10% of kids aren't getting them . How would you achieve getting more done?"Be pragmatic and not assume that people will get their kids vaccinated, show people what the dangers of measles are, rather than just assume they know. Healthcare professionals often make assumptions that people know stuff because they do, they deal with things every day and naturally assume that knowledge is more widespread than it is. Understand that some people have been influenced by lies and misinformation around vaccines and help them to understand the benefits, rather than just tell them they are wrong. | |||
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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? Get your fucking kids vaccinated.... it's not rocket science Regrettably, almost 10% of kids aren't getting them . How would you achieve getting more done?
Be pragmatic and not assume that people will get their kids vaccinated, show people what the dangers of measles are, rather than just assume they know.
Healthcare professionals often make assumptions that people know stuff because they do, they deal with things every day and naturally assume that knowledge is more widespread than it is. Understand that some people have been influenced by lies and misinformation around vaccines and help them to understand the benefits, rather than just tell them they are wrong."The scaremongering route, of course
How about you give people both - the risks and benefits of BOTH the route of vaccination or not vaccinating. And actually be truthful about it - in other words, link to groups with parents that (claim) have vaccine damaged children as well as groups with parents that have measles damaged children.
The official route always touts vaccines are proven, safe and effective. There are no guarantees, ever!!! I want to hear from people who have had all experiences. If you try to sell me only one side of the argument, you've lost me.
I've just got a great little booklet which is a heck of a lot more detailed in all recommended pregnancy and childhood vaccinations 0-5, giving numbers hospitalised, incidence etc. No scaremongering either way, just a lot more than the bumph which says nothing and means researching more as recommended by the HSE in Ireland.
Now, for my own purposes of researching, it's still not enough but it's a starting point for any new parent.
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. " Encephalitis can occur in children either during or after a measles infection. This can happen as a result of the brain becoming infected with the virus during the rash phase of the illness or by an immune-mediated brain inflammation subsequent to measles infection. Measles is also the cause of a disease called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE). This is a rare condition that can develop years after natural measles infection. SSPE is a degenerative neurological condition which progressively destroys nerve cells in the brain and almost always leads to mental deterioration and death. The above comes from the encephalitis society. As someone who is disabled due to encephalitis (not measles induced), I advocate avoidance by whatever means. | |||
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. " There is pretty much no medication or vaccine without risk, but the risk is generally worth it as the risk and consequence of not having it is greater. People struggle with understanding and the difference between absolute and relative risk. One of the things that came out of the covid enquiry is that Boris and other politicians struggled to understand the difference. When vaccines and other medication pretty much eliminate the danger of diseases, such as measles, we forget how dangerous something like measles can be. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol" You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. | |||
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. There is pretty much no medication or vaccine without risk, but the risk is generally worth it as the risk and consequence of not having it is greater. People struggle with understanding and the difference between absolute and relative risk. One of the things that came out of the covid enquiry is that Boris and other politicians struggled to understand the difference. When vaccines and other medication pretty much eliminate the danger of diseases, such as measles, we forget how dangerous something like measles can be." As of September 23 172,172 adverse events (including 154 spontaneous abortions and 21 foetal deaths) have been reported on the who's Vigiaccess database for MMR vaccines. In the years between 2004 and 2018 there were a total of 1056 confirmed cases of measles, with a further 723 possible cases. The average annual risk of getting measles was 1 in 37833 (0.003%). There has been one death from measles in Ireland in over 20 years since 2002. The risk of dying is 1 in 766273 (0.0001%). With risks like that, I would never vaccinate my child against measles again - currently. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with." Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with." Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too." I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! | |||
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"Vaccination rates for MMR, have declined below the levels that the WHO recommends as safe. Complications from measles infections aren't that uncommon, including leading to death. This has seemed to have been fueled in part, by those who influenced against Covid vaccines. What would you do about this? Get your fucking kids vaccinated.... it's not rocket science Regrettably, almost 10% of kids aren't getting them . How would you achieve getting more done?
Be pragmatic and not assume that people will get their kids vaccinated, show people what the dangers of measles are, rather than just assume they know.
Healthcare professionals often make assumptions that people know stuff because they do, they deal with things every day and naturally assume that knowledge is more widespread than it is. Understand that some people have been influenced by lies and misinformation around vaccines and help them to understand the benefits, rather than just tell them they are wrong.
The scaremongering route, of course
How about you give people both - the risks and benefits of BOTH the route of vaccination or not vaccinating. And actually be truthful about it - in other words, link to groups with parents that (claim) have vaccine damaged children as well as groups with parents that have measles damaged children.
The official route always touts vaccines are proven, safe and effective. There are no guarantees, ever!!! I want to hear from people who have had all experiences. If you try to sell me only one side of the argument, you've lost me.
I've just got a great little booklet which is a heck of a lot more detailed in all recommended pregnancy and childhood vaccinations 0-5, giving numbers hospitalised, incidence etc. No scaremongering either way, just a lot more than the bumph which says nothing and means researching more as recommended by the HSE in Ireland.
Now, for my own purposes of researching, it's still not enough but it's a starting point for any new parent.
"You are talking be as though the risks from being vaccinated outweigh the risks associated f getting the infection you aren’t vaccinated against. It’s not. The risk of an adverse reaction to a vaccine are minuscule, the risks from getting measles are most definitely not. | |||
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. " Better to follow the evidence . Thankfully, with millions of children studied, the MMR vaccines are safe . Anecdotal stories have little difference between them and the Wakefield stories.
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with." Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules." I read the post you wrote at the top of this post quite clearly, thanks. Considering you brought in the topic of immigration (a topic we have been conversing over in a completely different forum), I would consider your post to be directed at me, and maybe you should stick to the topic at hand. At no point did I throw a personal insult - note the word "if", should you actually be referring to my last sentence as an insult to yourself. Unless, of course, you don't respect personal choice . Your problem, not mine.
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules." Where is the poster throwing personal insults? | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! " To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. | |||
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. Better to follow the evidence . Thankfully, with millions of children studied, the MMR vaccines are safe . Anecdotal stories have little difference between them and the Wakefield stories.
Neurodevelopmental issues are not linked to the MMR vaccines. "Considering the track record with criminal fines for pharmaceutical companies, the financial contributions by pharmaceutical companies for regulatory bodies, the large scale funding and advertising spend and personal investments by politicians in these companies clearly indicate a conflict of interest to support your line of research only. How can anyone remain impartial?! So, thanks very much for your advice - but I'll do the research into the official channels bearing that in mind, while also gathering information from "personal stories". | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions." I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above "Wanting long term evidence is a fair point which I implied I wasn't commenting on, not that it doesn't matter. Like you, I advocate for people making an informed decision. And over time the decision can change. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules. Where is the poster throwing personal insults?" Maybe .... "If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with." | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above "Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ? Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ? you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ? | |||
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"Assumption when talking about MMR risks though is the link to autism, that even if that person’s study is flakey. It’s not the only risk. There are mothers out there that see their children literally change overnight following vaccination with neurological conditions, and they shouldn’t be discounted either. Better to follow the evidence . Thankfully, with millions of children studied, the MMR vaccines are safe . Anecdotal stories have little difference between them and the Wakefield stories.
Neurodevelopmental issues are not linked to the MMR vaccines. "Those paid out by the government vaccine damage payment scheme for MMR injuries is enough evidence for me. Instead of repeating ‘MMR vaccines are safe’ why not consider acknowledging that they harm people too. Just to prevent any misinformation. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?"But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine. There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles. "Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion. It isn't, never was and never will be. That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless Bye ... | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules. Where is the poster throwing personal insults? Maybe .... "If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with."" And I already mentioned the "if" part here, or I didn't realise how desirable I am for someone not to be able to do without my approval
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
"On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies. But ok | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok "And this is where we are back to where pharmaceutical companies have way too much clout over the regulatory bodies through financial investments. If the "vaccine" had have had to go through the type of testing for gene therapy, there would have had to be many more rigorous steps included, and rightly so - in my opinion. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok "How is this gene therapy? Gene therapy is a technique that uses a gene(s) to treat, prevent or cure a disease or medical disorder. None of the vaccines involve this. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok
How is this gene therapy? Gene therapy is a technique that uses a gene(s) to treat, prevent or cure a disease or medical disorder. None of the vaccines involve this. "An excerpt from the FDA definition of gene therapy: There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including: Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells. The definition may not include mRNA coding of a virus to help prevent a disease but it sure as hell is a lot closer to gene therapy than to a traditional vaccine using inert virus, partial virus or the toxin to aid antibody production - in my opinion. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?"A small percentage of people survived without the vaccine?? The infection fatality rate was around 1%. If covid was allowed to rip through the country that would still lead to hundreds of thousands of extra deaths but the vast majority of people would have survived. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok
How is this gene therapy? Gene therapy is a technique that uses a gene(s) to treat, prevent or cure a disease or medical disorder. None of the vaccines involve this.
An excerpt from the FDA definition of gene therapy:
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
The definition may not include mRNA coding of a virus to help prevent a disease but it sure as hell is a lot closer to gene therapy than to a traditional vaccine using inert virus, partial virus or the toxin to aid antibody production - in my opinion.
"So now your saying it's NOT gene therapy...... | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
A small percentage of people survived without the vaccine??
The infection fatality rate was around 1%. If covid was allowed to rip through the country that would still lead to hundreds of thousands of extra deaths but the vast majority of people would have survived."You'd be happy for hundreds of thousands to die | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
"See this is just semantics.. It's not gene therapy because it dies not alter a gene. However what do genes do? The code for protiens that Rna moves to production sites in the cell for that particular protien to be made. mRNA circumvents this process by suplying the RNA with the code into the cell to make the relevant protien. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
A small percentage of people survived without the vaccine??
The infection fatality rate was around 1%. If covid was allowed to rip through the country that would still lead to hundreds of thousands of extra deaths but the vast majority of people would have survived.
You'd be happy for hundreds of thousands to die "No and that's not what I said was it? | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
A small percentage of people survived without the vaccine??
The infection fatality rate was around 1%. If covid was allowed to rip through the country that would still lead to hundreds of thousands of extra deaths but the vast majority of people would have survived."The fatality rate is even lower than 1%, although it was nearly 10% at the very beginning. We found better treatments over time and the health service wasn't overwhelmed except at the beginning so the fatality rate dropped. The problem comes about if lots of people need hospital treatment at once and everyone can't get the treatment they need then the fatality rate would rise rapidly. Also people have now been infected multiple times so if the the fatality rate is say 0.1% per infection, not say the rate is this its just to show the numbers, the number of deaths would be in the many 100s of thousands probably over a million. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok
How is this gene therapy? Gene therapy is a technique that uses a gene(s) to treat, prevent or cure a disease or medical disorder. None of the vaccines involve this.
An excerpt from the FDA definition of gene therapy:
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
The definition may not include mRNA coding of a virus to help prevent a disease but it sure as hell is a lot closer to gene therapy than to a traditional vaccine using inert virus, partial virus or the toxin to aid antibody production - in my opinion.
So now your saying it's NOT gene therapy......"Oh, you're back - still talking to me? As quoted from the ncbi contribution: "The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies." (Excluded because testing would have been much more stringent and taken a lot longer - your safety was at risk with this horrendous novel virus, surely a bit of leaving out a few steps here and there won't harm anyone). Also considering the excerpt of the FDA definition, I do personally classify these as gene therapy and not vaccines because of the mode of operation - I mean, the name kinda says it all too. If you want to lull yourself into a sense of security that you've taken a vaccine rather than a gene therapy, that's fine by me | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Whilst I agree that having any medication is personal choice. Regarding covid the information is out there, but if you don't understand the difference between relative risk and absolute risk you can't really use the information properly. The absolute risk from vaccination is broadly the same for everyone, tiny as that is. The relative risk of death or serious injury from covid without vaccination increases massively with age. The relative risk of covid and being unvaccinated even for someone around 30 is orders of magnitude greater than that of getting covid vaccinated. Measles adds another thing that isn't relevant for covid. Until recently we had herd immunity so people who didn't have the vaccine through personal choice or because medically they can't have it were protected too. I disagree with your view on risk on the Covid vaccine. This is primarily based on the fact that this vaccine was researched and trialed in 2020 and fast tracked for emergency use authorization. We've still only got 3 years of data and VAERS, while flawed, is not showing a pleasant track record. Personally, I wouldn't even consider taking any vaccination without the existence of a minimum of 10 years of data. And I'd expect this data to be openly discussed from various viewpoints, not just the government narrative, pharmaceutical narrative of "safe and effective". What's missing is open discussion with opposing opinions! To be fair, we don't need ten years of evidence (putting aside long term side effects) as countless of millions of vaccines have been administered, perhaps billions. I do, thanks very much. I want to know what I might expect in 10 years time after taking a treatment, possibly on a yearly basis. And I know plenty of others who want the long term safety information too. But considering I'm in the minority for not taking this vaccine, I'm obviously in the minority with regards to worrying about long term safety issues. Thanks for sticking up for me above
Have you considered what the outcome of COVID might have been if everyone had waited 10 years for a vaccine ?
Just because a small percentage managed to survive without it doesn't mean everyone would have and maybe those that did helped those that didn't ?
you do know mRNA techniques have been around since the 80s ?
But never used successfully as a vaccine prior to the supposed miracle that was the Covid vaccine - and as the name suggests, it's a genetic therapy, not a vaccine.
There were successful treatments which were suppressed and made the emergency authorisation use of the vaccine, or genetic therapy, illegal, but anyway...I've debated this to death during the height of it. The topic here is measles.
Sorry, the words "genetic therapy" ends the discussion.
It isn't, never was and never will be.
That shows your lack of knowledge and makes your opinions worthless
Bye ...
On the national library of medicine: "mRNA: Vaccine or Gene Therapy? The Safety Regulatory Issues
The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies.
But ok
How is this gene therapy? Gene therapy is a technique that uses a gene(s) to treat, prevent or cure a disease or medical disorder. None of the vaccines involve this.
An excerpt from the FDA definition of gene therapy:
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
The definition may not include mRNA coding of a virus to help prevent a disease but it sure as hell is a lot closer to gene therapy than to a traditional vaccine using inert virus, partial virus or the toxin to aid antibody production - in my opinion.
So now your saying it's NOT gene therapy......
Oh, you're back - still talking to me?
As quoted from the ncbi contribution:
"The mode of action of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines should classify them as gene therapy products (GTPs), but they have been excluded by regulatory agencies."
(Excluded because testing would have been much more stringent and taken a lot longer - your safety was at risk with this horrendous novel virus, surely a bit of leaving out a few steps here and there won't harm anyone).
Also considering the excerpt of the FDA definition, I do personally classify these as gene therapy and not vaccines because of the mode of operation - I mean, the name kinda says it all too.
If you want to lull yourself into a sense of security that you've taken a vaccine rather than a gene therapy, that's fine by me ""The definition may not include mRNA coding of a virus to help prevent a disease but it sure as hell is a lot closer to gene therapy than to a traditional vaccine using inert virus, partial virus or the toxin to aid antibody production - in my opinion." Your opinion isn't really relevant, it's not gene therapy as your quote states. | |||
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"Unfortunately since COVID there are small numbers of people who refused the vaccine and now spend all of their time campaigning against any vaccine in a vain attempt to convince to themselves that they made the right decision. Sadly many gullible people will be taken in by these "experts" and if or when there is another worldwide pandemic they'll be the losers. There is no such thing as a "100% safe" medication but the number of vaccines administered Vs the number of complications is not something these people want you to think about, nor do they want to tell you that if you have an adverse reaction to a vaccine that there is a very very very high probability that you would have had a worse reaction to the virus. Maybe it's an agenda by immigrants to take over the world by making people refuse vaccines lol You clearly didn't read my last post. I am not campaigning against any vaccine but for clear communication on risks and benefits of both vaccination and disease with the opportunity to gain access to support groups who have had complications on both sides of the argument. I made the right decision for myself. All those I know who didn't take the vaccine have the same opinion on their decision. Oddly I know quite a number of people who are not quite so happy with their decision of taking the Covid vaccine in particular. Regardless, the choice to medicate or not, to vaccinate or not, has to lie with the individual. If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with. Perhaps I'm not the one who didn't read a post lol Maybe you're feeling guilty but there is no mention of you whatsoever. Also it's better to stick to the discussion rather than throwing personal insults which is against forum rules. Where is the poster throwing personal insults? Maybe .... "If you are the kind of person to not respect personal choice, one of those people who ridiculed, mocked and discriminated against those of us who chose not to vaccinate against COVID, then you are the kind of person I want nothing to do with."" That's not insulting let alone a personal insult. It = if you behave in a particular manner, then I don't want to know you. Calling a policeman a pig is insulting. Calling you a pig is a personal insult. It's pretty clear! | |||
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"Is there a rise in complicated measels cases? " It's just a rise in cases full stop. Measles unfortunately has relatively common complications, including death, severe brain damage and deafness. Hence why minimizing cases is a very good thing. Complications are more likely to effect young children especially those under 5. | |||
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"What kind of bozo don't get their kids vaccinated from MMR "Sadly, especially since Covid, there's been a huge increase in those against vaccination. Far too many people don't understand the importance of vaccination or the dangers posed by the likes of measles and rubella. Nita | |||
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"What kind of bozo don't get their kids vaccinated from MMR
Sadly, especially since Covid, there's been a huge increase in those against vaccination.
Far too many people don't understand the importance of vaccination or the dangers posed by the likes of measles and rubella.
Nita"I'll change that... maybe not a huge increase but definitely an increase | |||
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"As long as people are given all the facts and truths about any drug or medical procedure then they can give or refuse consent knowing to have make a fully informed consent decision. Problems tend start because of grey areas about knowledge and scientific fact. And as ever someone in a prominent position of power can often mis lead people by either been under educated to the facts and or pushed into directions by so called experts with connections to the companys who benefit from those decisions been made. Hence why its difficult to make a true fully informed consent about decisions around inoculations and vaccines. As long it was their decision and they weren't pushed into making it. Facts Children have died after receiving the MMR vaccine in this country and received large financial pay outs from gov/nhs for there loss. (Nothing to do with anything to do with so called Dr Wakefield and autism.) Scientific fact that vaccines work better and cause less issues when administered individually/singularly. There was no need to move away from single vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella which were already in use and proven to be very low risk and relatively safe. Its up to parents to make that decision whether to take the risk of vaccination agaisnt the risks not to. Personally, with regards to covid and the subsequent covid vaccines. I think its so wrong for any government or medical professional to promote the use of them now, it's discusting, now they know that they aren't safe and effective its so wrong. They now know and been shown that many people have died and now have life long medical issues because of having the vaccine. Along with it not stopping the transmission of the virus, why have it. Even common sense would tell you if it didn't work after the first couple why would any more make it work. As long as people are happy with the choices they made then dont criticise others for having a different opinion. You can always ask for debate to discuss the reasoning for there decisions but ultimately accept that not everyone are the same and are allowed to chose for themselves until we live in a dictatorship of been told what we have to do.... then thats a completely different thing. The terminology of using words like antivaxer for someone having made a different choice is and still is disgusting use of words to belittle someone thats made a different choice to the main stream opinion. Ive been labelled with the term antivaxer recently, from people who dont even really know me and haven't even had the courtesy to ask and discuss it all. Well its hard to accept the label of an antivaxer when ive been vaccinated for alsorts of things over the year's. Strange world we seem to be living in nowadays. " Your comment about the COVID vaccine is wrong. Simply put people have to weigh up benefits Vs risk. | |||
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"As long as people are given all the facts and truths about any drug or medical procedure then they can give or refuse consent knowing to have make a fully informed consent decision. Problems tend start because of grey areas about knowledge and scientific fact. And as ever someone in a prominent position of power can often mis lead people by either been under educated to the facts and or pushed into directions by so called experts with connections to the companys who benefit from those decisions been made. Hence why its difficult to make a true fully informed consent about decisions around inoculations and vaccines. As long it was their decision and they weren't pushed into making it. Facts Children have died after receiving the MMR vaccine in this country and received large financial pay outs from gov/nhs for there loss. (Nothing to do with anything to do with so called Dr Wakefield and autism.) Scientific fact that vaccines work better and cause less issues when administered individually/singularly. There was no need to move away from single vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella which were already in use and proven to be very low risk and relatively safe. Its up to parents to make that decision whether to take the risk of vaccination agaisnt the risks not to. Personally, with regards to covid and the subsequent covid vaccines. I think its so wrong for any government or medical professional to promote the use of them now, it's discusting, now they know that they aren't safe and effective its so wrong. They now know and been shown that many people have died and now have life long medical issues because of having the vaccine. Along with it not stopping the transmission of the virus, why have it. Even common sense would tell you if it didn't work after the first couple why would any more make it work. As long as people are happy with the choices they made then dont criticise others for having a different opinion. You can always ask for debate to discuss the reasoning for there decisions but ultimately accept that not everyone are the same and are allowed to chose for themselves until we live in a dictatorship of been told what we have to do.... then thats a completely different thing. The terminology of using words like antivaxer for someone having made a different choice is and still is disgusting use of words to belittle someone thats made a different choice to the main stream opinion. Ive been labelled with the term antivaxer recently, from people who dont even really know me and haven't even had the courtesy to ask and discuss it all. Well its hard to accept the label of an antivaxer when ive been vaccinated for alsorts of things over the year's. Strange world we seem to be living in nowadays. Your comment about the COVID vaccine is wrong. Simply put people have to weigh up benefits Vs risk." Yes, your right, its a Risk Assessment of Benefits Vs Risks. Tell me which part of what i said about Covid vaccine is wrong ? | |||
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"As long as people are given all the facts and truths about any drug or medical procedure then they can give or refuse consent knowing to have make a fully informed consent decision. Problems tend start because of grey areas about knowledge and scientific fact. And as ever someone in a prominent position of power can often mis lead people by either been under educated to the facts and or pushed into directions by so called experts with connections to the companys who benefit from those decisions been made. Hence why its difficult to make a true fully informed consent about decisions around inoculations and vaccines. As long it was their decision and they weren't pushed into making it. Facts Children have died after receiving the MMR vaccine in this country and received large financial pay outs from gov/nhs for there loss. (Nothing to do with anything to do with so called Dr Wakefield and autism.) Scientific fact that vaccines work better and cause less issues when administered individually/singularly. There was no need to move away from single vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella which were already in use and proven to be very low risk and relatively safe. Its up to parents to make that decision whether to take the risk of vaccination agaisnt the risks not to. Personally, with regards to covid and the subsequent covid vaccines. I think its so wrong for any government or medical professional to promote the use of them now, it's discusting, now they know that they aren't safe and effective its so wrong. They now know and been shown that many people have died and now have life long medical issues because of having the vaccine. Along with it not stopping the transmission of the virus, why have it. Even common sense would tell you if it didn't work after the first couple why would any more make it work. As long as people are happy with the choices they made then dont criticise others for having a different opinion. You can always ask for debate to discuss the reasoning for there decisions but ultimately accept that not everyone are the same and are allowed to chose for themselves until we live in a dictatorship of been told what we have to do.... then thats a completely different thing. The terminology of using words like antivaxer for someone having made a different choice is and still is disgusting use of words to belittle someone thats made a different choice to the main stream opinion. Ive been labelled with the term antivaxer recently, from people who dont even really know me and haven't even had the courtesy to ask and discuss it all. Well its hard to accept the label of an antivaxer when ive been vaccinated for alsorts of things over the year's. Strange world we seem to be living in nowadays. Your comment about the COVID vaccine is wrong. Simply put people have to weigh up benefits Vs risk. Yes, your right, its a Risk Assessment of Benefits Vs Risks. Tell me which part of what i said about Covid vaccine is wrong ? " You state it is not safe nor effective. You're wrong. It isn't 100% safe and effective like all meds. Many people have died you state - probably a minority considering billions of vaccines have been administered. The only way to stop transmission is isolation. | |||
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"As long as people are given all the facts and truths about any drug or medical procedure then they can give or refuse consent knowing to have make a fully informed consent decision. Problems tend start because of grey areas about knowledge and scientific fact. And as ever someone in a prominent position of power can often mis lead people by either been under educated to the facts and or pushed into directions by so called experts with connections to the companys who benefit from those decisions been made. Hence why its difficult to make a true fully informed consent about decisions around inoculations and vaccines. As long it was their decision and they weren't pushed into making it. Facts Children have died after receiving the MMR vaccine in this country and received large financial pay outs from gov/nhs for there loss. (Nothing to do with anything to do with so called Dr Wakefield and autism.) Scientific fact that vaccines work better and cause less issues when administered individually/singularly. There was no need to move away from single vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella which were already in use and proven to be very low risk and relatively safe. Its up to parents to make that decision whether to take the risk of vaccination agaisnt the risks not to. Personally, with regards to covid and the subsequent covid vaccines. I think its so wrong for any government or medical professional to promote the use of them now, it's discusting, now they know that they aren't safe and effective its so wrong. They now know and been shown that many people have died and now have life long medical issues because of having the vaccine. Along with it not stopping the transmission of the virus, why have it. Even common sense would tell you if it didn't work after the first couple why would any more make it work. As long as people are happy with the choices they made then dont criticise others for having a different opinion. You can always ask for debate to discuss the reasoning for there decisions but ultimately accept that not everyone are the same and are allowed to chose for themselves until we live in a dictatorship of been told what we have to do.... then thats a completely different thing. The terminology of using words like antivaxer for someone having made a different choice is and still is disgusting use of words to belittle someone thats made a different choice to the main stream opinion. Ive been labelled with the term antivaxer recently, from people who dont even really know me and haven't even had the courtesy to ask and discuss it all. Well its hard to accept the label of an antivaxer when ive been vaccinated for alsorts of things over the year's. Strange world we seem to be living in nowadays. " 'strange' indeed . I see a lot of opinions but not a grounding in anything with great statistical power. | |||
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"I personally knew some who was young fit and healthy but died because of the vaccine, death certificate and coroner report states the vaccine as the cause of death. Yes there has been many doses of the vaccine administered but it has caused death and life long health issues for people directly without any underlying health concerns. Your right nothing is completely safe and without risk, but been lied to by been told is was safe and effective which it clearly isn't safe when directly causing deaths and life long health problems, especially for people who were previously fit and healthy. Plus figures from ONS has now shown there were more deaths in people who had been vaccinated than that hadn't been, so thats a cause for concern as it doesn't seem to work then. And been subsequently told that it didn't stop you from catching it and passing it on, so why have it. So clearly the risk of having it was more risky than catching covid, since more vaccinated people were dying than unvacinated. It doesn't make a lot of common sense to have it. And now that its clearly been shown that it isn't a safe and effective it should be stopped from been used. Yes many people have had the vaccine and suffered no immediate adverse reaction but there is no long term data for it and there is possibilities that things can happen further down the line. Which is concerning now that we see so many with having adverse reactions to it. In past history if a drug had shown to cause as many adverse reactions proportionaly it would have been stopped from been used, but for some reason this emergency approved trial drug did not. Like we've already agreed on its all about the risk benefit analysis and as more information came out as time went on, the balance was changing all of the time as we learned more about things. And everyone has a personal choice or should have. When you start been pressurised to take something and be threatened if you dont that should be alarming to everyone as we are supposed to be living in a free society. Anyway this forum post is about measles not covid. There has been a lot of talk about the increased cases of measles, but looking at the age groups of people catching it etc there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it is anything to do with the down turn in children having vaccinations but more to do with increased numbers of foreign nationals from countries with little to no vaccination programs bringing it into the country. And because the success rate of mmr not been as good as expected and people thinking there ok because they had the MMR shot thinking they were covered but subsequently discovered it hadn't given enough protection and caught and passed it on. Kids not been vaccinated hasnt had any effects on the uprise in recent times. It might once there older and come into contact with it. Measles isnt nice and you are better off been vaccinated against it but, everyone has a choice. " Lets be honest, they did say the vaccines werent actually effective, just ot in so many words. wont stop you catching ,it, wont stop you getting ill, wont stop the spread. They said it time and again, yet millions of people clamered for them. | |||
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"I personally knew some who was young fit and healthy but died because of the vaccine, death certificate and coroner report states the vaccine as the cause of death. Yes there has been many doses of the vaccine administered but it has caused death and life long health issues for people directly without any underlying health concerns. Your right nothing is completely safe and without risk, but been lied to by been told is was safe and effective which it clearly isn't safe when directly causing deaths and life long health problems, especially for people who were previously fit and healthy. Plus figures from ONS has now shown there were more deaths in people who had been vaccinated than that hadn't been, so thats a cause for concern as it doesn't seem to work then. And been subsequently told that it didn't stop you from catching it and passing it on, so why have it. So clearly the risk of having it was more risky than catching covid, since more vaccinated people were dying than unvacinated. It doesn't make a lot of common sense to have it. And now that its clearly been shown that it isn't a safe and effective it should be stopped from been used. Yes many people have had the vaccine and suffered no immediate adverse reaction but there is no long term data for it and there is possibilities that things can happen further down the line. Which is concerning now that we see so many with having adverse reactions to it. In past history if a drug had shown to cause as many adverse reactions proportionaly it would have been stopped from been used, but for some reason this emergency approved trial drug did not. Like we've already agreed on its all about the risk benefit analysis and as more information came out as time went on, the balance was changing all of the time as we learned more about things. And everyone has a personal choice or should have. When you start been pressurised to take something and be threatened if you dont that should be alarming to everyone as we are supposed to be living in a free society. Anyway this forum post is about measles not covid. There has been a lot of talk about the increased cases of measles, but looking at the age groups of people catching it etc there doesn't seem to be any evidence that it is anything to do with the down turn in children having vaccinations but more to do with increased numbers of foreign nationals from countries with little to no vaccination programs bringing it into the country. And because the success rate of mmr not been as good as expected and people thinking there ok because they had the MMR shot thinking they were covered but subsequently discovered it hadn't given enough protection and caught and passed it on. Kids not been vaccinated hasnt had any effects on the uprise in recent times. It might once there older and come into contact with it. Measles isnt nice and you are better off been vaccinated against it but, everyone has a choice. Lets be honest, they did say the vaccines werent actually effective, just ot in so many words. wont stop you catching ,it, wont stop you getting ill, wont stop the spread. They said it time and again, yet millions of people clamered for them." They underplayed the effectiveness and benefits, compared to the real world results - we were all so incredibly fortunate, with their success. How did they do? They certainly reduced the severity of infections, including the volumes of people needing hospitalisation. They reduced the duration of infectivity, potentially lowering the numbers of people who could get infected if you had it . The benefits were immense | |||
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"If i was the oharma co.panies I would apologies for rushing out vaccines, then encouraging genvernments to push them onto their people,. Now less people trust vaccines, but knstead of big pharam and gebernment getting the blame it, the sheep will point to "conspiracy theorists' amd 'anti-vaxxers' and say it is their fault. " We're fortunate that the MMR vaccines are incredibly safe and effective . It's a pity that the antivax agenda people have decided to invest so much into stoking fear, with their dishonesty. Measles is now a risk for us in the UK, due to this fear and uncertainty stoked by the likes of Wakefield and people who continue to earn money today, from peddling lies. | |||
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"If i was the oharma co.panies I would apologies for rushing out vaccines, then encouraging genvernments to push them onto their people,. Now less people trust vaccines, but knstead of big pharam and gebernment getting the blame it, the sheep will point to "conspiracy theorists' amd 'anti-vaxxers' and say it is their fault. " Sheep... How tiresome (but when you want to sleep, count them (  )) | |||
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"It’s decades of MMR vaccine criticism that created covid 19 vaccine hesitancy. Not the other way around. The key issue was the 1998 Wakefield fraudulent publication of fake research into vaccines, that scared people. He was discredited and struck off, but his damage started and spread around the world. God knows how many people have needlessly lost their lives, a far greater number suffering more broadly. Potentially thousands of lives were avoidably lost in the pandemic, stemming from the vaccine fear that he stoked. He spawned vaccine hesitancy globally, in advance of a predictable new pandemic. Many would rightly find that abhorrent, when so many lives are at risk. With measles, where safe treatments are available, to prevent mass outbreaks of infections, affecting vulnerable children, I wouldn't be able to rest, if my choices and behaviour put so many at such grave risk. How we now recover our stability, to help to regain a safer society, is something I'm uncertain about. With health budgets cut, there's limited funds to educate and to seek to influence adults to get children in their care, vaccinated . Some people will potentially be diehard adherents to an antivax ideology
Since the Wakefield "study", and I use the term loosely, over one million children have been tested following vaccination.
Not a single child has been found to have any of the symptoms in Wakefields report.
Worth nothing Wakefields report was based on a study of 12 children.
And he didn't even report honestly on those 12 children. Results were switched, made up and adjusted, to fudge his fraud.
Of course, he'd got his eye on the financial opportunities that could lie ahead. "$43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" Could have been a nice earner!
And of course none of the big pharma companies have ever pulled wool over our eyes - ever!
Big corporations aren't in it for the love of humanity. We can, however, hold any fellow human to exacting standards, accepting no wrongdoing. Some of the 12 children involved in the Wakefield study, were even held down by several members of staff, whilst samples were taken . For a study that was fraudulent and potentially to fuel personal substantial financial gain. £millions have been spent since then, attempting to correct matters. Probably investments that could have been better spent elsewhere. I take it that you'd like to reduce the potential measles infection levels, deaths etc. it could be helpful to hear your plans for this.
Big corporations are in it for profit, and nothing else! They have absolutely no regard for human life and the damage they cause with their toxic products!
Wakefield is just another smear campaign like any other medical professional and scientist who has spoken out about the dangers of vaccines in the past - including those for Covid
No. He created a smear campaign, starting with some phony research he did and falsified the results of. He'd got apparent plans to benefit financially, from the fear of vaccines that he created and potential legal cases and damages. The vaccines were totally safe.
Meanwhile, places like the UK have stopped being safe. Our risks for measles are high, as his fabricated vaccine story created fear, for millions of people . " | |||
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"Vaccines have worked wonders for the general health. Polio almost eradicated worldwide. TB the same in the UK but with open borders is now again entering the UK, and now not vaccinated against unless deemed at risk. MMR was doing wonders, now sadly not because fear and doubt has been sown by social media. Too many arm chair specialists on social media, if someone posts fake news that can be proven harm others who take there statements as factual (ie false medical claims etc) then they should be liable for prosecution for there statements. Wonder how many would continue to spread such rumor if they could be held liable for damages..." You'd imagine that some of the social media sites would be more particular about the garbage they allow to be posted as it's they that should be liable for their content. | |||
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"Vaccines have worked wonders for the general health. Polio almost eradicated worldwide. TB the same in the UK but with open borders is now again entering the UK, and now not vaccinated against unless deemed at risk. MMR was doing wonders, now sadly not because fear and doubt has been sown by social media. Too many arm chair specialists on social media, if someone posts fake news that can be proven harm others who take there statements as factual (ie false medical claims etc) then they should be liable for prosecution for there statements. Wonder how many would continue to spread such rumor if they could be held liable for damages... You'd imagine that some of the social media sites would be more particular about the garbage they allow to be posted as it's they that should be liable for their content. " | |||
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