FabSwingers.com forum: HIV

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If you have more to live for than lustful sex .... don't do it! The fear and Anxiety of waiting for a result and trying to figure out your next steps is not worth it....

We should all.know.this and it's obvious to say, but our brains wiring can be screwed up. See a Therapist if you are doing things that are self destructive.

I under_tand that dopamine fix....but get some help...focus on the Seratonin...

Look after your teeth and gums...and general health

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

If this poster comes back, I hope you receive positive news re HIV testing. If the news is not positive, HIV is not the death sentence it once was.

Re your composition on (any) addiction, yes therapy is advisable. Unfortunately any therapy on the NHS comes after a long wait. There is alternative help out there - see the third sector of charities, they are easy to Google. There's also the mental health charity MIND, and crisis charity The Samaritans.

If you have a good network of friends/family, TALK. Never underestimate the power of talking.

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By *illithsApprenticeTV/TS
over a year ago

Tetbury

PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe.

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
over a year ago

Beverley

"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe."

A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV

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By *oixanteNeufDudeMan
over a year ago

Lymm

A wise message of warning to us all, I was recently engaged in a very very passionate bit of fun with a lady and I we were so tempted to go bare, but thankfully both of our common senses kicked in and I grabbed a nodder. I doubt either of us had anything but you never know. I've been tested since anyway but that's all it could take.

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe.

A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV "

Why assume a negative?

I see this post as info giving for others.

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By *i-Guy-75Man
over a year ago

That’s a lovely response from Amielee.

To the poster- i under_tand how you are feeling, a few years ago I did a quick prick test in a mobile drop in clinic, the test showed positive for hiv. I was devastated. I was told it’s 99% rate on this test but to have the blood test. I went to the blood test and for 2 weeks went through hell. However I did reach out and spoke to some HIV positive people on a Facebook group of all places under a fake profile I made that helped

My advice is speak to someone there are lots of charities if you Google such as terrace higgings trust.

Luckily for me my test came back negative, even though I was told prick test 99% rate. The clinic told me the do see false tests regularly with those rapid tests. That was 2 years ago and many negatives since.

If it is positive it’s not the end of the world, once your meds kick in you will likely live a normal healthy life if you stick to your meds.

The first thing I did after the required negative follow ups is get on prep and wouldn’t ever go back while on the scene.

And for those that say won’t happen to me, I was playing safe at around time or thought I was sometimes in some situations u may not know if a condom breaks, gets taken off etc.. And for those that say well I don’t play with guys who are bi so I’m lower risk…. Many of these guys are lying about their sexuality that’s a fact I can vouch about.

Hope you get the help u need OP

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
over a year ago

Beverley

"PRep and condoms people. I enjoy my life, so I play safe.

A bit of a 'told you so' post isn't really helpful in a thread where someone is suggesting he may have HIV

Why assume a negative?

I see this post as info giving for others."

That's fair enough, I don't.

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By *heltenhamBiGuyMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Hope the OP is ok....

As said before, HIV is now a manageable condition with adherence to meds and non transmissible once undetectable. Life expectancy is the same if not greater as a negative person due to regular check ups which will pick up many health issues and get treated for them.

The main issue is the stigma that still exists with lots of peoples mindset still stuck in the 1980's

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The good news is that the scene typically has people who test regularly, better than the national average. Thankfully, earlier treatment is better than if delayed. We're here to support each other and it's a pity that the OP has left.

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

There are some interesting articles on the technicalities of HIV transmission on the I-base website which can offer some reassurance.

Also, when the number of tests in the UK each year is considered against the number of positive results by comparison, then the outlook is generally quite good and as others have pointed out, medication makes the condition a manageable one.

I would encourage anyone on the scene, regardless of gender or sexual orientation to get tested and start using PreP wherever possible, this will reduce the risks of HIV transmission, when taken correctly, by 99.99 %.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user.

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport

"If you have more to live for than lustful sex .... don't do it! The fear and Anxiety of waiting for a result and trying to figure out your next steps is not worth it....

We should all.know.this and it's obvious to say, but our brains wiring can be screwed up. See a Therapist if you are doing things that are self destructive.

I under_tand that dopamine fix....but get some help...focus on the Seratonin...

Look after your teeth and gums...and general health "

HIV is now a condition that is managed rather like diabetes.

Do not worry yourself too much as there are treatments and advice for you now.

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
over a year ago

Beverley

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user."

She should be arrested for that.

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By *melie LALWoman
over a year ago

Peterborough

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user.

She should be arrested for that. "

Do you not see the contradiction in that post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user.

She should be arrested for that.

Do you not see the contradiction in that post?"

I thought the same when I first read the post…

So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite.

As an addition to this thread…it’s the ones that don’t know they have the virus that you need to worry about…and, quite frankly, that is anyone that’s having sex and not getting regular check ups.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user.

She should be arrested for that.

Do you not see the contradiction in that post?

I thought the same when I first read the post…

So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite.

People who are positive, taking meds and are undetectable, are safer partners than many

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user.

She should be arrested for that.

Do you not see the contradiction in that post?

I thought the same when I first read the post…

So, she is totally open about it EXCEPT with the people she sleeps with??? Hmmm, I smell shite.

She used to pick up one night _tands in bars, no one in her neighbourhood would go near her as we all knew she had HIV.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"If this poster comes back, I hope you receive positive news re HIV testing. If the news is not positive, HIV is not the death sentence it once was.

If you have a good network of friends/family, TALK. Never underestimate the power of talking. "

Talking is a wonderful, many times overlooked tool, as is touch.

But be really careful on social media sites and sites like FAB.

Try, as much as possible, to talk face to face, there are many groups out there, many connected to charities. Just ask and you'll be surprised how many people and groups are available locally.

I'm coming to the end of surgery, radio and chemo for cancer and have been attending a group for post head and neck cancer. Found it useful and met many who are a few months to a few years ahead of me.

You will find soul mates as well as drama queens...

Good luck.

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By *arklong88Man
49 weeks ago

Brighton

I know this maybe very controversial but do women/bi men pick up HIV more easily than men?..due to the physical aspect of cum going inside..just curious,and on fabs forum you can ask anything it seems!

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By *londebiguyMan
49 weeks ago

Southport

"I know this maybe very controversial but do women/bi men pick up HIV more easily than men?..due to the physical aspect of cum going inside..just curious,and on fabs forum you can ask anything it seems!"

It's generally accepted tgat the passive partner either male, female etc is more at risk during unprotected sex than the active one.

If you take PrEP then this can be avoided.

Obviously get tested regularly .

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By *arklong88Man
49 weeks ago

Brighton

Thanks for that,I know it's probably not talked about much as it could then make men think they are at no danger

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By *entlemanrogueMan
49 weeks ago

Motherwell

Honestly, i havent seen any ads or anything to keep awareness of this horrible disease, for literally years, maybe a decade

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By *londebiguyMan
49 weeks ago

Southport

"Thanks for that,I know it's probably not talked about much as it could then make men think they are at no danger"

The active partner is really at very reduced risk though I'm not sure there have been many proven cases contracting it that way.

It's still a possibility.

As with oral sex, it could be possible but I don't think there are still any proven infections through it.

Best to be protected if you can do.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Thanks for that,I know it's probably not talked about much as it could then make men think they are at no danger

The active partner is really at very reduced risk though I'm not sure there have been many proven cases contracting it that way.

It's still a possibility.

As with oral sex, it could be possible but I don't think there are still any proven infections through it.

Best to be protected if you can do.

The active eg penetrative partner is a reduced risk yes, but you need to be more careful with you language. The risk is still VERY significant..

Oral sex I agree is a theoretical risk and I am also unaware of any confirmed cases of transmission. It's been a few years since I have read any peer reviewed studies on that subject though.

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By *lex46TV/TS
49 weeks ago

Near Wells

During one of my visits to the clinic a doctor told me he would rather have HIV nowadays than Diabetes.

You receive better care and providing you take your medication (usually only one tablet a day) and your viral load is undetectable you will lead a normal active life without any issues.

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By *ymac580Man
49 weeks ago

Derby

Re hiv

Folks with it and on meds with undetectable viral.loads can not pass on the virus

Positive undetectable is far safer than somehow thinks they don't have it

Hiv is nearly always passed on by people who think they don't have it

Re risk to active partner

Active partners can pick it up

It spreads in Africa male to female and vice versa

Folks should test more regularly for all sti

Regards

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By *ossannCouple
49 weeks ago

London

In midwifery, we would see many women who are HIV positive but undiagnosed until pregnancy. They obviously conceived without barriers, have a DETECTABLE viral load (as they haven't started meds), yet their male partner has not contracted it from them.

"Givers" are at substantially decreased risk

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By *ymac580Man
49 weeks ago

Derby

The active partner is at less risk but not risk free

Take prep or meds then no risk

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Prep should not be provided by the NHS! It’s a scandal it is.

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By *ingdong11Man
46 weeks ago

emsworth

"Prep should not be provided by the NHS! It’s a scandal it is. "

Why ?

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By *emmabTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Leicestershire

"Prep should not be provided by the NHS! It’s a scandal it is. "

Silly statement. Prep is relatively cheap when compared to treating HIV. Plus when taking it you get regular (3 month) sexual health checkup thus helping to reduce the amount of other STI. Better for all the people who are sexually active. Viagra is available on the NHS which is use within the swinging community.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"If you have more to live for than lustful sex .... don't do it! The fear and Anxiety of waiting for a result and trying to figure out your next steps is not worth it....

We should all.know.this and it's obvious to say, but our brains wiring can be screwed up. See a Therapist if you are doing things that are self destructive.

I under_tand that dopamine fix....but get some help...focus on the Seratonin...

Look after your teeth and gums...and general health "

So many times i have been offered bareback sex with randoms

Are these people not wired up right or just fuckin stupid

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population.

I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity.

Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through.

Funny that.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
46 weeks ago

Newcastle

"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population.

I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity.

Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through.

Funny that. "

I do like to start my day with a good solid dose of homophobia

Could someone provide some misogyny for this afternoon please

TIA

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Not sure how it’s homophobia.

But what evs. I honestly don’t care

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By *s-two-75Couple
46 weeks ago

So in your mindset then we should scrap meds for all stds as you can use a condom?

Or is that not applicable?

Btw HIV can affect straight people too so your not in the clear completely.. condoms break

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Prep is actually pretty cheap and can be bought privately from high street pharmacies for as little as £59 for a months supply - the NHS likely get it much cheaper due to bulk discounts.

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By *heltenhamBiGuyMan
46 weeks ago

Cheltenham

"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population.

I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity.

Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through.

Funny that. "

Actually, Truvada (the main PrEP drug combo) is off patent now, so a generic version is used at a fraction of the original cost, so your "extremely expensive" quote is a rather moot point.

Just pointing this out so you see both sides of the story

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By *hantelle-La-SlutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

South Birmingham

"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population.

I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity.

Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through.

Funny that. "

Prep is a drug to prevent HIV for all sexes it has nothing to do with sexual orientation whatsoever women as well as men take it.

I take it and i am not homosexual, you are a complete ignorant and narrow minded person. HIV is not limited to gay men unfortunately you might want to watch the film Dallas buyers club to educate you a bit.

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

"It’s an extremely expensive drug, with a practically free alternative (condom) designed for a tiny minority of the population.

I look at how the Nice often refuses new treatments to treat child genetic diseases on the grounds of cost and propensity.

Yet in the case of the most lobbied for minority in the world (homosexuals) PREP is waved right through.

Funny that. "

What an absolute load of nonsense.

You really should do some good research before spouting this crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Thank you for all the non judgmental, polite, open minded responses. So refreshing to have such an open and tolerant community.

A few points to respond in respect to my initial comment. Sincere apologies as UK public health and this topic are a multi faceted discussion.

1. My personal “lived experiences” as all the lovely’s crave to use these days.

The assumption that as I am not gay nor have any gay connections is correct. So I will accept that at first glance my perspective might be intolerant. It’s not my intention, I’m autistic and see the world essentially as a fact based system.

In terms of heterosexuals being just as at risk than homosexuals to HIV/AIDs. If I was an intravenous drug user and sleeping with hundreds of woman a year totally unprotected then yes I probably would be on statistical parity with homosexual sex risk.

But luckily for me I am not. I only engage in riskier behaviour or any sexual acts with a handful of women a year. I have been lucky to meet women whom end up wanting to keep meeting me.

When I was last tested. 2 weeks ago. I was asked the same questions I’ve been asked every time I’ve been tested. Which includes have I engaged in anal sex with a man.

The reason they ask that question is because HIV does in the vast majority of UK cases impact the homosexual community.

Prep is purely a drug which has very good protection against HIV infection. Yes I am sure both communities use it. But it has a cost.

Unprotected sex is a lifestyle choice. Condoms offer very good protection against HIV at a fraction of the cost. I do not see why the NHS should provide medicine to suit anyone’s lifestyle straight or gay. But let’s be honest, the movement to get PREP available on the NHS was secured by a well funded gay lobby group.

The problem I have is the NHS prior to Covid was struggling to deliver the ever increasing new treatments and drugs for people whom are inflicted with non lifestyle illnesses. Post Covid it’s in an even dire position to deliver these new treatments.

An aging population, almost exponential growth in computing power will deliver more and more drugs and treatments that everyone will won’t. The NHS simply will not ever (who ever is in power) deliver this expectation with current system.

I find it difficult to comprehend how PREP can be delivered on the NHS when many other treatments to treat infant genetic disorders are not available. In fact I consider it morally questionable. That’s it. It’s not a dig at anyone or any groups. It’s just a deep sadness that so many children do not have access to treatments which probably could be available if PREp was available over the counter privately only.

In terms of NHS drug procurement. I would say in my own experience, when I underwent a minor procedure. I was asked by the nurse to get my own paracetamol as the paracetamol jab they had available cost the NHS £50 per dose.

I imagine the NHS is tied up in countless expensive contracts with pharmaceutical companies. Which is another problem in itself.

So that’s about it. Cheers

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
46 weeks ago

chichester

Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly ..

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

It’s available on NHS prescription. Paying for prescription does not cover the cost of the drug in almost all cases. It’s substantially subsidised by the state. Aka the NHS

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

It does not matter if you meet knly a handful of women or not.

It only takes that one person to infect with a virus.

There were huge increases in infection of the heterosexual area of society for many years.

Heterosexual men are likely to have unprotected sex and infect others who are not protected by PrEP as they have not considered the risks as homosexual or possibly comfortably bi men.

For many years, homosexual men were using condoms.

There was a huge drop in infections during this time and PrEP has not seen that increase significantly.

PrEP is a far cheaper treatment yo hand out than to treat the HIV virus later when it is contracted.

Infant genetic diseases and abnormalities are going to affect a far smaller section of the public.

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"It’s available on NHS prescription. Paying for prescription does not cover the cost of the drug in almost all cases. It’s substantially subsidised by the state. Aka the NHS"

PrEP is a medication whose brand name is Truvada. The medication is no longer under patent and is manufactured and made available to the NHS far more cheaply than it was being used as one of the combination anti retrovirals for HIV treatment.

Therefore, it does not represent any longer a great burden on the British taxpayer as you mistakenly believe.

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By *emmabTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Leicestershire

"Prep is actually pretty cheap and can be bought privately from high street pharmacies for as little as £59 for a months supply - the NHS likely get it much cheaper due to bulk discounts."

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By *oles4StraightsMan
46 weeks ago

Crumlin / Lisburn

Or move to Northern Ireland. All prescriptions free over here.

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By *oodEdMan
46 weeks ago

Haverfordwest

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By *oodEdMan
46 weeks ago

Haverfordwest

"Thank you for all the non judgmental, polite, open minded responses. So refreshing to have such an open and tolerant community.

A few points to respond in respect to my initial comment. Sincere apologies as UK public health and this topic are a multi faceted discussion.

1. My personal “lived experiences” as all the lovely’s crave to use these days.

But luckily for me I am not. I only engage in riskier behaviour or any sexual acts with a handful of women a year. I have been lucky to meet women whom end up wanting to keep meeting me.

When I was last tested. 2 weeks ago. I was asked the same questions I’ve been asked every time I’ve been tested. Which includes have I engaged in anal sex with a man.

The reason they ask that question is because HIV does in the vast majority of UK cases impact the homosexual community.

Prep is purely a drug which has very good protection against HIV infection. Yes I am sure both communities use it. But it has a cost.

I imagine the NHS is tied up in countless expensive contracts with pharmaceutical companies. Which is another problem in itself.

So that’s about it. Cheers

So let me get this right, you only engage in riskier sex with a small amount of women who like to keep seeing you, and this happens a few times per year. So you do partake in unprotected sex with these partners?

You state your last sexual health test was two weeks ago (and I am assuming you get tested regularly)

So you don’t care about the cost of your sexual health testing on the NHS, just the cost of Prep, which actually reduces the spread of infection of HIV for which you get tested?

Oh the hypocrisy

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly .. "

I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic.

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By *oles4StraightsMan
46 weeks ago

Crumlin / Lisburn

Did you know that 20% of the NHS drug budget is currently in diabetes drugs. Most of that is spent Type 2 diabetes. That's the one that's controlled by diet, what you eat. But they don't watch what they eat, so NHS pay for the drugs.

Also FYI, and I'll get abuse for this In 2013,HIV infection in hetros overtook gays

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By *ldgeezermeMan
46 weeks ago

Newcastle

"Not sure how it’s homophobia.

But what evs. I honestly don’t care"

You don't care?

Your doing a piss poor job of supporting that assertion

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
46 weeks ago

chichester

"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly ..

I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic."

Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances.

Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

It's a death sentence when you have to inform the wife...

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By *s-two-75Couple
46 weeks ago

"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly ..

I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic.

Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances.

Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on

I believe it is by individual circumstance, or what you tell them.

Being a bi married man in an open relationship meeting both men and other couples for sex put me in the higher risk category. When I was asked a couple years ago a few questions regarding my sexual lifestyle and I was eligible.

It was actually the clinic that told me to go on it tbh, that was almost 2 years ago.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Central

"Prep is not free, the impact trial finished years ago .. people now have to pay for it . monthly or 3 monthly ..

I do not pay for my PrEP prescriptions from the clinic.

Interesting as they stopped it after finishing impact trial. Just read on nhs it’s eligible to those that meet criteria in some instances.

Ha I been paying for it since end of trial and never looked to check on updates … later on

I've paid a lot of money for it, over about 8 years. It's possible to shop around, which can save money.

The sexual health clinics will still undertake full tests for us, as if prescribed by one of their Doctors, including kidney function tests.

. This medication can save the NHS a large fortune, whoever funds it, compared to funding HIV medicines, for new infections.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

You’re all right! I’m an idiot.

I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep!

It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant!

Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021

were for gay or bisexual men.

I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?!

Yeah, it’s not worth it!

Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc.

I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual.

I will scuttle off now!

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By *ucianpoundCouple
46 weeks ago

Cap d’Agde, France

In France we get our PrEP free from the STD clinic

One advantage is that the prescription last only 3 months and you need to be retested then.

It could be that those on this medication are the sexually safest because of frequent testing.

We’ve heard of plenty of swingers who’ve never been tested simply because they have no symptoms.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
46 weeks ago

Newcastle

"You’re all right! I’m an idiot.

I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep!

It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant!

Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021

were for gay or bisexual men.

I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?!

Yeah, it’s not worth it!

Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc.

I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual.

I will scuttle off now!

Read no further than the first paragraph

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By *laymateteeMan
46 weeks ago

bristol

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user."

So she was open about having HIV but at the same time she wasn't will to tell anyone she slept with?????

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By *s-two-75Couple
46 weeks ago

"In France we get our PrEP free from the STD clinic

One advantage is that the prescription last only 3 months and you need to be retested then.

It could be that those on this medication are the sexually safest because of frequent testing.

We’ve heard of plenty of swingers who’ve never been tested simply because they have no symptoms.

It’s similar in uk in regards to you have to be tested every 12 weeks to get your next batch.

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By *s-two-75Couple
46 weeks ago

"You’re all right! I’m an idiot.

I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep!

It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant!

Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021

were for gay or bisexual men.

I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?!

Yeah, it’s not worth it!

Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc.

I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual.

I will scuttle off now!

Bye

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By *randyJohnsonCouple
46 weeks ago

Harrogate

seems a bit pointless when she could be on antiretrovirals and take PReP meaning zero risk of transmission

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"You’re all right! I’m an idiot.

I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep!

It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant!

Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021

were for gay or bisexual men.

I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?!

Yeah, it’s not worth it!

Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc.

I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual.

I will scuttle off now!

You are citing costs and figures from 2021 when the drug was still patented.

Emtricitabine and tenofivir are no longer under patent and so the cost has massively reduced.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

What’s msssive. What’s the current cost to the NHS?

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By *orset.JMan
46 weeks ago

Weymouth

"What’s msssive. What’s the current cost to the NHS? "

I find it it amazing to see that people think that the NHS is wasteful and costs a lot when in truth in terms % of GDP we are well behind so many other countries- many of whom are also heavily funded by private healthcare

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"What’s msssive. What’s the current cost to the NHS? "

The NHS price is £34.20, which is a ‘massive’ reduction from its patented price (about 80% reduction).

Alliance Healthcare pharmaceuticals.

https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/emtricitabine-with-tenofovir-disoproxil/medicinal-forms/

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

Your figures of £4000+ per person were wildly inaccurate. The figure is £410 per person a year. So a ‘massive’ 90% lower cost than that which you claimed.

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By *orset.JMan
46 weeks ago

Weymouth

"You’re all right! I’m an idiot.

I mean what the hell is NICE doing publishing articles and data on Prep!

It only costs £4,800 per person per year, it’s insignificant!

Outrageous NICE would suggest the majority of the 28,000 prescriptions issued as of 2021

were for gay or bisexual men.

I mean how many kids could be treated for £134,400,000 a year?!

Yeah, it’s not worth it!

Simply not enough kids with genetic disorders, complicated conditions, cancers etc etc.

I _tand corrected. I’m an ignorant, intolerant, immature, insensitive, inane individual.

I will scuttle off now!

It’s done on a cost benefit basis, reducing further HiV infections also has a huge financial benefit.

Whether you, I or anyone else would likes it or not people will have risky sex and won’t use protection so Prep does have its place and it’s better to make it as freely available as possible

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

You are literally making numbers up. lol

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"You are literally making numbers up. lol

I provided a link for you to see for yourself. Once you have done, you can retract your overstated figures.

I’ll wait.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Numbers were taken from nice. I provided a date the numbers were accurate.

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"My

Numbers were taken from nice. I provided a date the numbers were accurate. "

lol. You evidently did not read the link itself, never mind follow it to read the content.

http://bnf.NICE.org being the first part.

I wrote NICE in capitals to draw your attention to the source.

Now stop back peddling with your claims that you were referring to 2021.

Your costs are outdated and consequently 90% higher than the cost in 2023.

It’s also cheaper to prevent infection in high risk individuals than it is to treat them for life post infection. But hey! You clearly hadn’t thought it through.

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By *riveinsaturdayXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Bristol

This shouldn’t even need quantifying - it halts spread. It halts it to a degree condoms alone do not. There is no direct competition between funding for this and how other things are funded (if there is funding shortfall in other medical areas that has nothing to do with funding for Prep).

Frankly, this sounds like contrarian whinging - something that can improve the lives of people of all sexual persuasions is an immense positive to society, and it should not be limited to those who can afford it. Health care via personal income discrimination is emphatically a bad thing. Plus, fewer unborn kids getting HIV (a serious problem for decades).

Additionally, it’s not how funding works or how economies in general work - there is no finite bag of money being dwindled away by provision for Prep.

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46 weeks ago

I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding.

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding."

What do you propose for couples who are in sero-diverse relationships? Should one negative partner be forced to buy medication for the term of their relationship (let’s say decades) to have a safe and fulfilling sex life with a positive partner?

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By *orset.JMan
46 weeks ago

Weymouth

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding."

You are entitled to your view but Prep prevents other NHS resources/ funds being required - people won’t buy it- that’s the cost benefit analysis that has already been game played and it’s all about preventing future HIV

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By *idnight_Express69Man
46 weeks ago

Rochdale

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding.

He is wilfully ignoring this argument.

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding."

Does your position extend to people who have contracted HIV also having to pay for their own lifelong medication ?

You seem to assume that it's a virus that is only contracted through promiscuity.

That is simply not the case.

It takes just one infected person .

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Central

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding."

I assume that you've not presented many business cases.

. You've seen that many of us do pay privately for Prep. I've had private prescriptions and they've been dispensed by Boots, like other medicine.

What did you calculate were the ongoing costs for providing HIV medicines, for someone who gets infected? How many people do you estimate would be infected, without NHS provision? Should HIV+ people not be allowed to have partners protected by Prep? I noticed that you seem long on your mini-rant towards children's services etc but ultra-light on your evaluation of the costs and impacts of what you're proposing. Do you use NHS sexual health services? Should they not be available for you or anyone, as they have a cost?

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By *fordiscreetCouple (MM)
46 weeks ago

Liverpool

In this country we have a health service that is free at access for all. Why is this any different to a smoker, or a sedentary person, or someone over weight or someone getting morning after pill or someone who crashes because they feel the need for speed? All choices that we all pay for. We all chip in the pot and we should all get the care we need regardless of background, lifestyle choices etc. If the NHS refuse treatment for someone, take grievance with that decision - don’t come after another minority and scapegoat them. What you’re proposing is to drag homosexuals back into the dark and to ‘other’ them.

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By *ldgeezermeMan
46 weeks ago

Newcastle

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding."

Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom

Save a fortune

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By *coobyBoobyDooWoman
46 weeks ago

Markfield

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding.

Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom

Save a fortune"

And viagra and ivf and all the various hormone treatments?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Central

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Central

"I do not believe a drug which has cost the NHS millions and will continue to do so to enable life style choices is morally acceptable when other drugs are excluded.

Regarding “my numbers” they were indeed accurate as per date of publication.

I will accept that the cost to the nhs has fallen subsequently.

But my position remains. If you want prep buy it privately! Not via the NHS.

Precious funding should be focused on other drugs for people who have not made a conscious decision to fuck without a condom.

If it’s so cheap now. Why is it so controversial for people to just buy it if they want it?

Remove the NHS funding.

Maybe they should remove funding for the contraceptive pill, I mean, you could just use a condom

Save a fortune

And viagra and ivf and all the various hormone treatments? "

We could stop many or all treatments that someone with a very blinkered outlook deems somehow related to choices. Perhaps all healthcare, even.

. Everyone's so wealthy,

ambulances etc could review ability to pay and lifestyle choices, before deciding whether to leave people in the street.

The WHO HIV free target could be abolished too.

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By *aveswingzzzMan
46 weeks ago

gayswater

PrEP is free in all UK nations and has been for some time. It’s prescribed through Sexual Health clinics after some tests are done: eg HIV test and a kidney function test. It is now no longer a patented medication - it is generic (rather like paracetamol is) and is a few pence per tablet.

It can be taken every day - or it can be dosed around particular events eg weekends. Injectable long term PrEP is also not far off.

Purely on a cost comparison - lifetime treatment for HIV (which is also free to the patient but often a patented drug) is hugely more expensive than PrEP.

PrEP is more effective than condoms - fail rate proven to be less. And it will prevent spread of the virus - and cuts the fear all gay men had for decades about sex.

Unalloyed good thing.

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By *hantelle-La-SlutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

South Birmingham

"PrEP is free in all UK nations and has been for some time. It’s prescribed through Sexual Health clinics after some tests are done: eg HIV test and a kidney function test. It is now no longer a patented medication - it is generic (rather like paracetamol is) and is a few pence per tablet.

It can be taken every day - or it can be dosed around particular events eg weekends. Injectable long term PrEP is also not far off.

Purely on a cost comparison - lifetime treatment for HIV (which is also free to the patient but often a patented drug) is hugely more expensive than PrEP.

PrEP is more effective than condoms - fail rate proven to be less. And it will prevent spread of the virus - and cuts the fear all gay men had for decades about sex.

Unalloyed good thing."

OOH long term PrEP that sounds even better

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46 weeks ago

"In this country we have a health service that is free at access for all. Why is this any different to a smoker, or a sedentary person, or someone over weight or someone getting morning after pill or someone who crashes because they feel the need for speed? All choices that we all pay for. We all chip in the pot and we should all get the care we need regardless of background, lifestyle choices etc. If the NHS refuse treatment for someone, take grievance with that decision - don’t come after another minority and scapegoat them. What you’re proposing is to drag homosexuals back into the dark and to ‘other’ them. "

I couldn't be arsed to respond but youbr written it perfectly. 100% this

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By *illingToHelpMan
46 weeks ago

Oldham or South Shore

I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

Just for some people’s clarification - The person at the orgy with HIV, and on medication, is literally the safest person one could have sex with - and bareback sex at that! Some might think that is a controversial statement, but let’s break it down:

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Being on treatment means that they’re getting regular consultations at the hospital, and regular health checks. Cancer, diabetes, sleep problems, kidney and liver function, mental health, and a whole list of other things are regularly checked, discussed, and talked about.

They are also getting an STI screening every three months, just in case any other nasties aren’t popping up. If anything does show, it’s dealt with immediately, so the chances of catching any other STI from them is also greatly reduced.

Let’s end the stigma of HIV. Jesus, I have friends who claim that getting HIV was actually a huge weight off their mind, because now they don’t have to worry about catching it anymore. Yes, the fear of catching it is WORSE than actually having it!! So for all of those minds still stuck in the 80’s and 90’s, ponder on that for a bit.

If you do become positive, my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough change in your life, but only because of the stigma that comes with it, and the dread of having to deal with interactions similar to some of the posts in this thread. Actually having HIV, and living with HIV, is less hassle than I took to write this bloody triggered post!

If you want to talk about it, please send me a message!!!! Once the initial shock and mental adjustment passes (and it will!), all you need to do is take one pill a day to lead a happy and healthy life. People take more pills for vitamin supplements, ffs.

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Central

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. "

Lack of compassion seems to be the default for too many people. It's tragic, alongside ignorance

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

"It's a death sentence when you have to inform the wife..."

That is a personal issue.

It would have been the same if you'd given her Syphilis or gonorrhoea I'm sure.

The main thing is that people with HIV that is known and managed live a long and perfectly normal healthy life .

Its very like diabetes is now.

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By *londebiguyMan
46 weeks ago

Southport

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. "

Exactly..

I'm always happy to chat and try to help anyone too.

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By *ungguy7.5Man
46 weeks ago

wokingham

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. "

Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile.

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By *hirley147TV/TS
46 weeks ago

Blackpool

I remember how the tabloid press speculated with hatred about poor rock Hudson and liberace. And later Freddie Mercury. That sun newspaper was vile.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
45 weeks ago

chichester

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option.

Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile. "

Being upfront about it is best way. Just a shame some people must give you grief over it x Wish more people got educated about it tbh instead of stuck in dark ages

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

What is PREP?

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
45 weeks ago

Yorkshire

PRe Exposure Prophylaxis- a technical term for a pill that prevents HIV.

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By *issFussyWoman
45 weeks ago

hitchin

At the end of the day we are here as consenting adults with the ability to make choices. As said in this thread many are seeking a dopamine hit or a release and an alternative place for fun but in order to obtain those things common sense should prevail. In a sensible world we should protect ourselves use prep or condoms but at the very least should go get tested.

The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence.

Be sensible is all we should ask

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By *londebiguyMan
45 weeks ago

Southport

"At the end of the day we are here as consenting adults with the ability to make choices. As said in this thread many are seeking a dopamine hit or a release and an alternative place for fun but in order to obtain those things common sense should prevail. In a sensible world we should protect ourselves use prep or condoms but at the very least should go get tested.

The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence.

Be sensible is all we should ask "

Definitely.

The best way to approach it rather than fear .

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
45 weeks ago

Central

The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence.

Be sensible is all we should ask

Definitely.

The best way to approach it rather than fear .

+ Respect and education

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By *wen1973Man
44 weeks ago

West Bromwich

Got the all clear 2day Aids test Negative 30 Years clear.

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By *londebiguyMan
44 weeks ago

Southport

"Got the all clear 2day Aids test Negative 30 Years clear.

Very good news for you.

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44 weeks ago

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44 weeks ago

People can believe me or not . This is just a true story statement.

I live with a 75 y old gay man( i am not gay just for your info) , which is a dear friend of mine as well as my landlord, he’s HIV positive since 20 years and on medication obviously, the way he got it???!! Giving oral/ swallowing, and yes it is a very rare case , BUT , if you’re interacting with someone who doesn’t know to have HIV, they might have a very high viral load , and your mouth has some ulcers/ or kind of open skin irritation ( sorry if my dictionary is not the best) , well that that make the trick.

Once again, this is just for your information, and based on a true story, otherwise I wouldn’t spend my time writing this.

Happy life to everyone

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43 weeks ago

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43 weeks ago

"Did you know that 20% of the NHS drug budget is currently in diabetes drugs. Most of that is spent Type 2 diabetes. That's the one that's controlled by diet, what you eat. But they don't watch what they eat, so NHS pay for the drugs.

Also FYI, and I'll get abuse for this In 2013,HIV infection in hetros overtook gays"

Couldn't find the 2013 data but here are the numbers from 2021

"Of the 2,023 people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 36% were gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men. Of the 798 heterosexual people diagnosed with HIV in England in 2021, 37% were of Black African ethnicity."

So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population.

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By *orthernJayMan
43 weeks ago

LHR

The ethnicity data is interesting and aligns with my experience at UK based STI clinics. I was dating a women of Jamaican heritage and as soon as I mentioned this during screening they immediately recommended increasing my visits from quarterly to monthly.

The nurse had all of the stats ready for when I asked why, flagging I was already at increased risk due to bisexuality, couple that with “Jamaican heritage in my sexual circle”, “quadrupled my risk”; her words, not mine!

My date was really offended when I told her but I guess stats are stats regardless.

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40 weeks ago

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40 weeks ago

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40 weeks ago

Derby

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option. "

This gent is factually spot on

Really is safer bareback with someone who is undetectable than with folks who think they are negative

Hiv is passed on by people who don't know they have it

Answer is testing and treatment

Re other sti's people should also test

And remember most sti's can transmit orally so condom of limited value unless used for oral

Hiv of course has almost no recorded oral transmission

I hope most have had their hep b vaccinations

It's preventable

And there are now treatments for hep C

I think the big worry is actually

Drug resistance in Chlamydia and gonorrhea

Please test and be adult enough to tell contacts if you have anything

If someone contacts you to say they have found out they have a bug

Thank them for being responsible enough to tell you

That's how we bring infection rates down

Sermon over

Happy swinging

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By *londebiguyMan
40 weeks ago

Southport

"People can believe me or not . This is just a true story statement.

Once again, this is just for your information, and based on a true story, otherwise I wouldn’t spend my time writing this.

Happy life to everyone "

There are NO documented and proven cases if contracting HIV from oral alone.

The risk is of course there and is considered minimal .

It's important to realise there us a risk of infection.

It has never been proven or documented scientifically that anyone has been infected in this way.

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By *andb13Couple
40 weeks ago

Bradford

Prep has been developed for a reason amd so have condoms.. there is always an element of risk to anything. But you can take precautions.which will reduce this risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago

Up to your believe, you should get better information about, i am just reporting a fact happened, I don’t gain or loose anything.

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By *londebiguyMan
40 weeks ago

Southport

"Up to your believe, you should get better information about, i am just reporting a fact happened, I don’t gain or loose anything."

I am reporting and believing medical evidence.

You are not reporting a fact or it would be evidential in the world of sexual health.

It is indeed possible but has never actually been proven to have happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago

You can go on and on telling me about medical evidences , i am reporting a fact happened, if the directly interested person is up to this, i am more then happy to get you in contact with him.

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By *ecret_Passion777Man
39 weeks ago

Manchester

Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?

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By *illingToHelpMan
39 weeks ago

Oldham or South Shore

"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?"

If the person receiving oral sex is living with HIV, and has a detectable viral load, there is a potential risk. This mainly comes from bodily fluids being transferred from one person to another during ejaculation. This risk is greater if the person performing oral sex has sores or cuts in their mouth, or a throat infection, etc, as the bodily fluids can enter directly into the bloodstream through the cuts.

However, if the person receiving oral sex is living with HIV with an undetectable viral load (that’s an UNdetectable viral load), so they’re on effective medication, there is no risk of HIV being transferred to you.

It’s always best to have a conversation with that person. Don’t ever be scared to talk about it. You won’t offend them, if you ask questions.

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By *heffielderCouple
39 weeks ago

sheffield

"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?"

Its a theoretical risk bit it's never been proven. Alot of anecdotal reports upon further questioning tend to be untrue ( people feeling guilty or finding it hard to admit the actual risks taken)

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By *londebiguyMan
39 weeks ago

Southport

"You can go on and on telling me about medical evidences , i am reporting a fact happened, if the directly interested person is up to this, i am more then happy to get you in contact with him."

As far as proven medical science , that fact has not happened.

No point putting him in touch with me.

I am not in control of the recorded statistics or analysing the cases.

Put them in touch with the relevant NHS body or research foundation for study.

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By *londebiguyMan
39 weeks ago

Southport

"Can you get HIV from giving a guy a blow job?

Its a theoretical risk bit it's never been proven. Alot of anecdotal reports upon further questioning tend to be untrue ( people feeling guilty or finding it hard to admit the actual risks taken)"

Exactly .

Precisely this.

I've heard it claimed but never any actual recorded proof.

I'm very happy to be proved wrong when it's medically proven.

Until then, I'd rather not worry people unduly.

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago

Is my last intention to get people worry , as they shouldn’t be worry about this, but , i let you the freedom of believing what’s been proven or not from the healthcare, and I believe in a person who’s in front of me every day.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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39 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Also FYI, and I'll get abuse for this In 2013,HIV infection in hetros overtook gays

Couldn't find the 2013 data but here are the numbers from 2021

So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population."

That's not how statistics work though is it?

36% of 2023 is 728

37% of 798 is 295

A total of 1023 individuals.

Which is 51% of the total number of new cases. So around half. Meaning the other half aren't gay, bi or MSM's or Black.

Not 73%.

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
39 weeks ago

Beverley

Also doesn't take into account how it was transmitted - the assumption here is sex, but his many are from needles or birth? Also, the minority of the population are men who have sex with other men. Except on fab

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By *tandMan
39 weeks ago

Plymouth

So that's 73% of new infections being diagnosed in a very small demographic of the total population.

That's not how statistics work though is it?

36% of 2023 is 728

37% of 798 is 295

A total of 1023 individuals.

Which is 51% of the total number of new cases. So around half. Meaning the other half aren't gay, bi or MSM's or Black.

Not 73%.

Ok. Now add the number of people from the 2021 census for England:

................................................People...New HIV..per million

Black Africans........................2,381,724.....295.......124

Gay, etc. ...............................5,987,919.....728......122

Rest.....................................48,120,157....999.........21

Totals...................................56,489,800..2,023........36

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
39 weeks ago

Beverley

There are not 6million gay men in the UK. The LGBTQ+ population is 1.5m

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By *tandMan
39 weeks ago

Plymouth

WOW!

Corrected

..............................People......New HIV...per million

Black African........2,381,724......295............124

Gay, etc. men.......1,500,000......728............486

Rest....................52,608,076......999.............19

Totals.................56,489,800....2,023.............36

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By *issSexyBootsTV/TS
38 weeks ago

Cardiff

"Not sure how it’s homophobia.

But what evs. I honestly don’t care"

Well it is homophobia and to be honest your comments are unwelcome and distasteful, so do us a favour and do one!

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By *J_OuizziCouple
36 weeks ago

Nottingham

Truly remarkable news today that a team at the University of Amsterdam have used CRISPR technology to cut the HIV virus out of cells.

It may be at the very early stages but this could be a huge step forward for the treatment of HIV/AIDS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68609297

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
36 weeks ago

Central

"Truly remarkable news today that a team at the University of Amsterdam have used CRISPR technology to cut the HIV virus out of cells.

It may be at the very early stages but this could be a huge step forward for the treatment of HIV/AIDS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68609297"

It's great that new research is progressing

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By *londebiguyMan
36 weeks ago

Southport

"Truly remarkable news today that a team at the University of Amsterdam have used CRISPR technology to cut the HIV virus out of cells.

It may be at the very early stages but this could be a huge step forward for the treatment of HIV/AIDS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68609297"

Excellent.

Amazing technological advance.

I saw it mentioned in a Dutch newspaper but not a full article

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By *andy CanesWoman
31 weeks ago

south

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user."
that’s so wrong

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By *ob198XaMan
30 weeks ago

teleford

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong "

I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence.

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By *illingToHelpMan
30 weeks ago

Oldham or South Shore

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong

I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence."

Before people comment on this story, we need to know if the girl was talking medication for her HIV diagnosis. If she was (and she’d be dead if she wasn’t), then she would be undetectable, which means that she couldn’t pass the virus on to anyone else. So, no, she doesn’t have to tell anybody about her health status. In fact, her consultant would probably be telling her that it is completely up to her if she wants to disclose it, or not.

To call this “attempted murder” is stupidly ignorant to the details of the story, and stupidity ignorant to the facts about living with HIV. You should probably do some reading about it and educate yourself.

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By *r-8-BBCMan
30 weeks ago

LONDON

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong

I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence.

Educate ourselves about someone who is willingly passing on a incurable disease, that without the medication you'll die ?!

I would definitely class it as premeditated murder.

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By *illingToHelpMan
30 weeks ago

Oldham or South Shore

"I knew a girl who was open about having HIV, she was adamant that she would never tell anyone she slept with that she had it. She also insisted on bareback sex.

She got it from a past boyfriend, who was a drug user. that’s so wrong

I would class it as boarding on attempted murder! I would have no issues with her getting a 20 year custodial sentence.

Educate ourselves about someone who is willingly passing on a incurable disease, that without the medication you'll die ?!

I would definitely class it as premeditated murder."

How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious?

It’s good that you under_tand that without medication this woman would be dead. But as she sounds like she has a rampant sex life, we can assume that she is taking the medication, and she is very healthy. Obviously it is working for her.

That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

I’ll spell this out as simply as possible. If she is taking medication, then she will have an undetectable viral load. Undetectable means untransmissable. Undetectable means that she can bareback until her ass falls off, SHE WON’T PASS THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE… EVER!!!!

People living with HIV, who are undetectable, don’t have to tell ANYONE about their status because there is ZERO RISK of infecting others. In fact, someone living with HIV, with an undetectable viral load, are actually the safest people to have bareback sex with. You DEFINITELY WILL NOT catch HIV from them, and the chances of catching other STDs off them is statistically lower, because they are generally having sexual health checks more often than people who do not have HIV.

Are we learning to be kinder, yet?

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By *heltenhamBiGuyMan
30 weeks ago

Cheltenham

"How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious?

That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Are we learning to be kinder, yet?"

Totally this...... Thank goodness some people are aware and passing the message on, this is 2024 not the 1980's

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By *inister_SpinsterWoman
30 weeks ago

North West

"How do you know she is passing it on? Were you at her last consultant’s appointment? Did you hear her doctor tell her that she is infectious?

That same medication that keeps this woman alive also STOPS HER PASSING THE VIRUS ON TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Are we learning to be kinder, yet?

Totally this...... Thank goodness some people are aware and passing the message on, this is 2024 not the 1980's"

Please keep on passing the U=U message on.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman
27 weeks ago

near Putney Heath

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option.

Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile. "

Do you let everyone in your group club sex know your HIV status so that they can give informed consent?

I'm just saying recently there was an issue with group sex at a club where consent was not expressly, enthusiastically and verbally given and the police were involved.

Consent is such an important but complex topic.

It's complex for me because I'm neurodivergent and was raised with teaching on consent and boundaries.

At the end of the day we as swingers are a high risk group for transmission of anything and some of us want to take as many precautions as possible.

If I contract something, I prefer to be in contact with my sex partners so that they can make decisions for their health but also that of their spouse, committed life partner, children and family.

Some of my sex partners have children who I believe should be protected at all costs regardless of the fuck ups of adults.

Not everyone in a club stops interacting to go and check someone's fab profile and a lot of people in clubs are not on FAB.

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By *inkForLifeCouple
27 weeks ago

North Shields

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option.

Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile.

Do you let everyone in your group club sex know your HIV status so that they can give informed consent?

I'm just saying recently there was an issue with group sex at a club where consent was not expressly, enthusiastically and verbally given and the police were involved.

Consent is such an important but complex topic.

It's complex for me because I'm neurodivergent and was raised with teaching on consent and boundaries.

At the end of the day we as swingers are a high risk group for transmission of anything and some of us want to take as many precautions as possible.

If I contract something, I prefer to be in contact with my sex partners so that they can make decisions for their health but also that of their spouse, committed life partner, children and family.

Some of my sex partners have children who I believe should be protected at all costs regardless of the fuck ups of adults.

Not everyone in a club stops interacting to go and check someone's fab profile and a lot of people in clubs are not on FAB."

Regardless of the moral side of this, it's worth noting that it's not an offence to not disclose your HIV status and it does not form part of consent.

The only time it's an issue is if you're wreckless. Thus if you are u=u, you have no obligation to inform your partner, and not doing so does not impact consent.

This had been tested in court.

Just worth pointing out as your reply suggests that this person did something illegal.

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By *inkForLifeCouple
27 weeks ago

North Shields

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/intentional-or-reckless-sexual-transmission-infection

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By *elaninMaverickWoman
27 weeks ago

near Putney Heath

The government did a wonderful job with it HIV public announcements and scared the bejesus out of most. Unfortunately the stigma remains but it’s no longer a death sentence.

Be sensible is all we should ask "

I have BPD and autism and I can be easily triggered into meltdowns.

I let all my sex partners know this so they can decide if they want to consent to have sex with someone who can be triggered by sex.

I think it's only fair....it's not because of "mental health" stigma. Some people haven't got the capacity to deal with mental health.

Some people haven't got the capacity to deal with transmittable diseases. I wear a mask in winter because I feel worse in winter and it does stop me from touching my face and contracting flu and colds.

I'd rather not force who I am on people. I let them know who I am and if they want to walk away and reject me I'm ok with that. If they want to stay and learn more, that's a better outcome for me.

Finding out that I was autistic was what made me finally stop hiding who I am from people and pandering to them just for a fake sense of gratification.

I under_tand why people hide things but in the long run, I've never seen it not do harm...to themselves and other people.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman
27 weeks ago

near Putney Heath

"I knew I shouldn’t have bothered looking at this thread. So many old, outdated, and blindly incorrect opinions about HIV and living with HIV. But I did look at it, and now I’m triggered.

If they’re on treatment, they will be undetectable, which means they CANNOT pass the virus on to anyone else, no matter how many creampies they bake. Undetectable = Untransmissable. Period!

Love and under_tanding is ALWAYS the better option.

Well said matey. I’ve got it and am not shy in making it obvious on my profile.

Do you let everyone in your group club sex know your HIV status so that they can give informed consent?

I'm just saying recently there was an issue with group sex at a club where consent was not expressly, enthusiastically and verbally given and the police were involved.

Consent is such an important but complex topic.

It's complex for me because I'm neurodivergent and was raised with teaching on consent and boundaries.

At the end of the day we as swingers are a high risk group for transmission of anything and some of us want to take as many precautions as possible.

If I contract something, I prefer to be in contact with my sex partners so that they can make decisions for their health but also that of their spouse, committed life partner, children and family.

Some of my sex partners have children who I believe should be protected at all costs regardless of the fuck ups of adults.

Not everyone in a club stops interacting to go and check someone's fab profile and a lot of people in clubs are not on FAB.

Regardless of the moral side of this, it's worth noting that it's not an offence to not disclose your HIV status and it does not form part of consent.

The only time it's an issue is if you're wreckless. Thus if you are u=u, you have no obligation to inform your partner, and not doing so does not impact consent.

This had been tested in court.

Just worth pointing out as your reply suggests that this person did something illegal. "

Whether it's illegal or not, is not for me to decide. I'm not a judge or a jury.

What I do know is that it's no fun to be banned from a club and having to take part in police investigations for months and months even if the CPS make the final decision not to prosecute.

Given the state of the health system, which I'm far too familiar with, what happens if they drop the ball, and someone's viral load increases without them knowing?

If my GP and my pharmacists mix up my medication and I the crazy person end up unaliving someone would I not be guilty of manslaughter?

That's why I tell people about my mental health so they can make and informed choice to protect themselves...even though I'm not required to by law.

Yeah I'm not a fan of "don't ask and don't tell" culture but if that's how people want to live their life who I am to so no to them?

I asked if people were told about status. It's a yes or no answer.

I don't know what they tell people with HIV at the sexual health clinic but when I go they tell me to always use protection for oral, vaginal and sexual sex and if I have anything ( STI, BV, Thrush) to avoid sex completely. I tell sex partners what I've got. That's my MO.

But I guess in my case if I told them I was running around having lots of bareback sex, they could ring up my GP and get me sectioned.

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By *_XXAMan
26 weeks ago

Newcastle

Mate honestly people are trying to tell you the same thing throughout the thread. It's not straights Vs gays here, hiv doesn't discriminate, you could sleep with hundreds of people and not get it or get it by sleeping with just one carrier. Yes the chance of probably changes but that is not linked to sexuality, because you're a prude it does not mean all straight people are prude as well. I have met very prude homosexuals and very active straights. You did get the data wrong as your comments were referring to 2021 and your response is only a few weeks old now. So it does not cost much now, full stop. Even if people in the community are of a higher risk because they are more active but they are also more hand on with getting tests then that is reflected on the statistics. Did you know if you take prep you can't pass it on? Meaning it doesn't only protect you but whoever you're having it with also.

For example if you're married to a wife and she cheats on you with a bi man who has slept with a carrier, either male or female of whatever sexuality, she will not get it. Meaning you won't either. So your perception of the statistics is that you pay for the bi man to take his prep but in reality he's saving your and your wife's arse. Even if you split, at least you'll be healthy (physically).

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By *londebiguyMan
26 weeks ago

Southport

"In midwifery, we would see many women who are HIV positive but undiagnosed until pregnancy. They obviously conceived without barriers, have a DETECTABLE viral load (as they haven't started meds), yet their male partner has not contracted it from them.

"Givers" are at substantially decreased risk"

Precisely.

Some of the " opinions" on here are very blinkered in their knowledge and bordering on scare mongering.

I really hope that people use their heads and get tested more frequently.

There are heslthcare professionals armed with all of the information and any medications we could need.

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