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"No reaction at all...had both together for last 3 years" Thanks Kay, good to know. | |||
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"Have been offered both. Still undecided." I'll let you know how I get on....... | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time." absolutely fine | |||
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"You get sv40 in it for free lol" I've checked the make up of both vaccines. SV40 not present in either. | |||
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"You get sv40 in it for free lol" I had two vaccinations by the way. Flu and Covid. Like it says in the thread title.  | |||
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"You get sv40 in it for free lol" Only sv40 in a vaccine if you had a polio vaccination before 1963. Be careful where you get your info from. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time." The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. " I did my research, proper research I mean and made my decision based on factual, reputable data. Although I shouldn't have taken the Covid vaccine due to something that's not a component of the vaccine affects insects and there's a whole range of side effects if you're in a particular high risk group. None of which I am. Yeah, still trying to work out the insects one..... | |||
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"Sv40, is it a predecessor of wd40? "That would be handy, I've got a couple of nuts I need to loosen. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. " Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? | |||
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That would be handy, I've got a couple of nuts I need to loosen. " | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about?" No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. | |||
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"You get sv40 in it for free lol" 60 years since SV40 was last in vaccines. But I believe the flat earthers/conspiracy theory/ anti vaxers/ Alex Jones loving people have probably starting lying again about it | |||
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"Never had any jabs..for anythin " I find that hard to believe..... | |||
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"You get sv40 in it for free lol 60 years since SV40 was last in vaccines. But I believe the flat earthers/conspiracy theory/ anti vaxers/ Alex Jones loving people have probably starting lying again about it" SV40 can be harmful to insects, which is why we shouldn't accept the Covid vaccine. Apart from the fact that SV40 isn't a component of the covid vaccine (and there's more than one covid vaccine) it all makes perfect sense. Somehow....... | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. " I know what you stated. Are you not aware that a lot of the symptoms of any immune response, is the immune response itself? | |||
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"Won't be having either whether seperate or together. We are convinced the Covid jab causes arthritis and the staff at the hospital where Mr M had his knee done agreed with our deduction." What type? Rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis? | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. I know what you stated. Are you not aware that a lot of the symptoms of any immune response, is the immune response itself? " Obviously. My point (for the 3rd time now) is that, unlike the flu-like symptoms which can arise as an immune response to the flu jab, the immune response to the covid jab does not present as covid-like symptoms. Which bit of my explanation are you struggling to comprehend? | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. I know what you stated. Are you not aware that a lot of the symptoms of any immune response, is the immune response itself? Obviously. My point (for the 3rd time now) is that, unlike the flu-like symptoms which can arise as an immune response to the flu jab, the immune response to the covid jab does not present as covid-like symptoms. Which bit of my explanation are you struggling to comprehend? " Re-stating something isn't clarification. My point: symptoms (from any pathogen) includes the symptoms arising from the immune system response (simple examples: high temp and inflammation which in themselves cause headaches, feeling hot and cold, lethargy, ... Anyone will recognise these "flu-like" symptoms; red, swollen, painful throat... could be a bacterial infection... and yet all due to the immune response. The immune system is fighting the pathogen and during the time it takes to produce the WBC antibodies, killer and memory cells to make the next fight easier/quicker, the symptoms are shit. Sophie can explain it better. To continue my point: the immune system has to respond to make further protection. And it does that with vaccines. Vaccines have or simulate what the body has to fight. It's not about flu symptoms or covid, but the immune response. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. I know what you stated. Are you not aware that a lot of the symptoms of any immune response, is the immune response itself? Obviously. My point (for the 3rd time now) is that, unlike the flu-like symptoms which can arise as an immune response to the flu jab, the immune response to the covid jab does not present as covid-like symptoms. Which bit of my explanation are you struggling to comprehend? Re-stating something isn't clarification. My point: symptoms (from any pathogen) includes the symptoms arising from the immune system response (simple examples: high temp and inflammation which in themselves cause headaches, feeling hot and cold, lethargy, ... Anyone will recognise these "flu-like" symptoms; red, swollen, painful throat... could be a bacterial infection... and yet all due to the immune response. The immune system is fighting the pathogen and during the time it takes to produce the WBC antibodies, killer and memory cells to make the next fight easier/quicker, the symptoms are shit. Sophie can explain it better. To continue my point: the immune system has to respond to make further protection. And it does that with vaccines. Vaccines have or simulate what the body has to fight. It's not about flu symptoms or covid, but the immune response." It is indeed about the immune response - and my point was that for the vast majority of covid vaccine recipients, there are no discernible covid-like ‘symptoms’ prompted by the immune response to covid vaccination. You confirm what I originally stated. Thanks. | |||
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"Won't be having either whether seperate or together. We are convinced the Covid jab causes arthritis and the staff at the hospital where Mr M had his knee done agreed with our deduction." Couple of things: You're not having the flu vaccination because the Covid one causes arthritis? You need to find a different hospital | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. Are you saying there's no immune response to a covid Vax? If so, how do antibodies and memory and killer cells come about? No, that’s not what I said at all. I said it does not produce covid like symptoms because there is no viral particulate matter in the vaccine. I know what you stated. Are you not aware that a lot of the symptoms of any immune response, is the immune response itself? Obviously. My point (for the 3rd time now) is that, unlike the flu-like symptoms which can arise as an immune response to the flu jab, the immune response to the covid jab does not present as covid-like symptoms. Which bit of my explanation are you struggling to comprehend? Re-stating something isn't clarification. My point: symptoms (from any pathogen) includes the symptoms arising from the immune system response (simple examples: high temp and inflammation which in themselves cause headaches, feeling hot and cold, lethargy, ... Anyone will recognise these "flu-like" symptoms; red, swollen, painful throat... could be a bacterial infection... and yet all due to the immune response. The immune system is fighting the pathogen and during the time it takes to produce the WBC antibodies, killer and memory cells to make the next fight easier/quicker, the symptoms are shit. Sophie can explain it better. To continue my point: the immune system has to respond to make further protection. And it does that with vaccines. Vaccines have or simulate what the body has to fight. It's not about flu symptoms or covid, but the immune response. It is indeed about the immune response - and my point was that for the vast majority of covid vaccine recipients, there are no discernible covid-like ‘symptoms’ prompted by the immune response to covid vaccination. You confirm what I originally stated. Thanks. " Scratches head | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time." I was completely fine. A bit of pain in the muscle but it passed quickly. | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm. "How? | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm. "Maybe ask for half a dose in each arm ? | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?"A German study of a whopping 303 participants suggests this. It's not as if state funding couldn't go to more useful projects. 43% versus 67% (level of CD8 T cells in contralateral versus ipsilateral vaccination)- they can't even get their maths or spelling correct.  | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?"It's a single study of a few hundred people, so the statistical power seems sound. Ipsilateral =same arm, contralateral, different arm. - 'Our study indicates that ipsilateral vaccinations generate a stronger immune response than contralateral vaccinations' | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm. "Genuinely never come across that before. Please could you share your source. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time." Don't do it !! Week 5 now and still suffering cough after flu like symptoms .....never again ! | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?
A German study of a whopping 303 participants suggests this.
It's not as if state funding couldn't go to more useful projects.
43% versus 67% (level of CD8 T cells in contralateral versus ipsilateral vaccination)- they can't even get their maths or spelling correct.
"You don't seem impressed .
Ok them the results, but what's the rationale as to what causes those results biologically? To be fair it's a low number, especially when you think of the hundreds of thousands of people who continue to get boosters. | |||
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. Don't do it !! Week 5 now and still suffering cough after flu like symptoms .....never again !" All done, feeling same as I did before. All good here. Sorry you're not feeling so good though.  | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?
A German study of a whopping 303 participants suggests this.
It's not as if state funding couldn't go to more useful projects.
43% versus 67% (level of CD8 T cells in contralateral versus ipsilateral vaccination)- they can't even get their maths or spelling correct.
You don't seem impressed .
Ok them the results, but what's the rationale as to what causes those results biologically? To be fair it's a low number, especially when you think of the hundreds of thousands of people who continue to get boosters."43 + 67 = 110%. There is no such thing as 110%. Only 143 out of the 303 were actually analyzed in full for the results of the amount of T Cells present. If you were to actually go and read the study and do the calculations, you'd find that the results are actually 45% vs 55%. That's half and half - in other words, if statistically significant, as the initial poster suggested - it doesn't matter a bit. | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?
A German study of a whopping 303 participants suggests this.
It's not as if state funding couldn't go to more useful projects.
43% versus 67% (level of CD8 T cells in contralateral versus ipsilateral vaccination)- they can't even get their maths or spelling correct.
You don't seem impressed .
Ok them the results, but what's the rationale as to what causes those results biologically? To be fair it's a low number, especially when you think of the hundreds of thousands of people who continue to get boosters.
43 + 67 = 110%.
There is no such thing as 110%.
Only 143 out of the 303 were actually analyzed in full for the results of the amount of T Cells present.
If you were to actually go and read the study and do the calculations, you'd find that the results are actually 45% vs 55%.
That's half and half - in other words, if statistically significant, as the initial poster suggested - it doesn't matter a bit. "I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. | |||
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"I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. " Using the arm helps circulate fluids around the body. Your lymphatic system is passive and relies upon you moving about. | |||
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"I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. Using the arm helps circulate fluids around the body. Your lymphatic system is passive and relies upon you moving about. " And injections into the arse?
By the way, your response isn't related to my query, as much as it is well intentioned. | |||
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"If you can remember which arm you had your last Covid jab in, it's wise to reuse it, as the immunity gained may be stronger than using the other arm.
How?
A German study of a whopping 303 participants suggests this.
It's not as if state funding couldn't go to more useful projects.
43% versus 67% (level of CD8 T cells in contralateral versus ipsilateral vaccination)- they can't even get their maths or spelling correct.
You don't seem impressed .
Ok them the results, but what's the rationale as to what causes those results biologically? To be fair it's a low number, especially when you think of the hundreds of thousands of people who continue to get boosters.
43 + 67 = 110%.
There is no such thing as 110%.
Only 143 out of the 303 were actually analyzed in full for the results of the amount of T Cells present.
If you were to actually go and read the study and do the calculations, you'd find that the results are actually 45% vs 55%.
That's half and half - in other words, if statistically significant, as the initial poster suggested - it doesn't matter a bit.
I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. "I have to correct my post above. According to the study, and I quote "As a result, the percentage of individuals with spike-specific CD8 T-cell levels above the detection limit was significantly lower after contralateral than after ipsilateral vaccination (34/79 (43.0%) versus 43/64 (67.2%)" - so 34 out of 79 (out of the contralateral group) had detectable levels as opposed to 43 out of 64 (out of the ipsilateral group). And it is only these cells where there is a difference. Plenty of other types of cells involved in the immune response showed no variable - apparently. So go get your shots in the same arm as before, for whatever difference it may make  | |||
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"I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. Using the arm helps circulate fluids around the body. Your lymphatic system is passive and relies upon you moving about. And injections into the arse?
By the way, your response isn't related to my query, as much as it is well intentioned."Oddly enough, the lymphatic system has something to do with this. If you read the actual study, it tells you and I quote: "The observed differences in immunogenicity may result from the fact that priming and secondary boosting of the immune response after ipsilateral vaccination occurs in the same draining axillary lymph nodes with limited involvement of the contralateral side." | |||
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"I was interested in the biology of it and couldn't fathom how the immune system would recall which muscle the Vax was injected into, to then increase components of the WBC. Using the arm helps circulate fluids around the body. Your lymphatic system is passive and relies upon you moving about. And injections into the arse?
By the way, your response isn't related to my query, as much as it is well intentioned.
Oddly enough, the lymphatic system has something to do with this. If you read the actual study, it tells you and I quote: "The observed differences in immunogenicity may result from the fact that priming and secondary boosting of the immune response after ipsilateral vaccination occurs in the same draining axillary lymph nodes with limited involvement of the contralateral side."
"Not odd as the lymphatic system is part of the immune system. Perhaps what it's trying to state is that area has become more efficient with repeated/forced usage. | |||
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"Jees - people still getting covid boosters , doesn’t stop you getting or transmitting covid, so why. ? Sorry but you will find people will break out in covid, shingles, and a lot more. The mRNA jab does affect your immune system In. Bad way sadly. I hadn’t heard of people with covid for ages until this last booster started Hope your well x " Do the boosters cause people to have Covid symptoms? I'm just going to throw this out there, crazy as it sounds, but could it be that a new variant is causing people to have Covid symptoms and they are therefore having vaccinations. Surely not | |||
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"Jees - people still getting covid boosters , doesn’t stop you getting or transmitting covid, so why. ? Sorry but you will find people will break out in covid, shingles, and a lot more. The mRNA jab does affect your immune system In. Bad way sadly. I hadn’t heard of people with covid for ages until this last booster started Hope your well x " Worth trying some fact checking, so that you instead post some facts . The vaccines, for example, play a part in much more than reducing infectivity, including duration of infectiousness etc. Many people prefer to avoid unnecessary deaths too . Plus, with overloaded health services, especially in winter, reducing the potential increased overload, due to Covid and Flu, it seems like an intelligent thing to do .
Whilst Covid isn't fixed into a single annual pattern, it's natural that infections are facilitated by people seasonally moving towards more time spent indoors. Hence, autumn drives for booster programmes | |||
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"2 weeks later and nothings fallen off me....... "Always a bonus | |||
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"aren't you brave " Me? Nah, just sensible really.
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"Got both my boosters booked at the same time today. Interested to hear how anyone has felt after having both together. I'm anticipating a mild reaction. I've had both before, but never at the same time. The covid jab does not produce any covid-like symptoms as no viral particulate matter is used in its manufacture. Very occasionally, the flu jab can produce very mild flu like symptoms as it stimulates an immune response. Having them together is not advised for those who are deemed clinically vulnerable but it is perfectly fine for everyone else. " I'm clinically vulnerable but i had mine together. | |||
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"Wow jab and boosters haha are you for real after what information is out there talk about being asleep and drone mentality no sympathy absolute madness" This is the type of shit that should get reported! Try respecting others' decisions! | |||
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"Wow jab and boosters haha are you for real after what information is out there talk about being asleep and drone mentality no sympathy absolute madness" Thanks, but no sympathy needed, I'm in really good health. I've no idea why the unvaccinated need to belittle or name call anyone who decided to get vaccinated. Each to their own surely? It depends entirely on the information we read from "whats out there", a mountain of it is absolute nonsense. I stick to peer reviewed papers and information from respected experts in their field, as opposed to grifters or the bloke in the pub who knows someone who knows someone who's leg fell off. | |||
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