FabSwingers.com forum: micro biologist vs Nina Mishkow

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone see this? Was very satisfying to see a mask zealot like Nana being schooled by a professional.

When a time served professional micro biologist tells you a mask is not designed to stop a virus (it says so on the packaging) but rather it is a splash back item to prevent spittle from the wearer landing on anyone nearby and prevent the wearer from being externally splashed with anything, then, believe the professional not some daffy journalist! PS its online just google it.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Anyone see this? Was very satisfying to see a mask zealot like Nana being schooled by a professional.

This came up my Twitter feed when it was Gbeebies. It's not really a fair fight as she doesn't have the scientific language to a argue against him and also the presenter just back up the anti masker. When asked about why surgeons wear masks he I was to protect surgeons from blood splash and to protect the saliva . The whole point of wearing a mask is to protect others not to protect yourself.

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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I never understood how people didn’t understand this….who has never got a wet palm or handkerchief from sneezing into it?

That’s exactly what masks were for, to stop you spraying snot and spittle loaded with viral nodes en masse. Plenty will still get though, but orders of magnitude less than without one.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Can’t believe people still don’t get this. Me wearing a mask doesn’t help protect me, it helps to protect you! That is why surgeons wear them in operating theatres!

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

Why is a microbiologist debating about this?

Covid is a virus not a microorganism.

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By *uietly_KinkyMan
over a year ago

High Wycombe

"Why is a microbiologist debating about this?

Covid is a virus not a microorganism."

A microorganism is an organism of microscopic size. It includes bacteria, viruses and some fungi and parasites.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Can’t believe people still don’t get this. Me wearing a mask doesn’t help protect me, it helps to protect you! That is why surgeons wear them in operating theatres! "

And at this point it's why the Covid cautious wear respirators

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex' "

I thought you said if people want to wear a mask let them?

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By *uietly_KinkyMan
over a year ago

High Wycombe

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex' "

No, it's like "wear a condom any time you might transmit a disease." For a condom, that's during sex. For a mask, that's while you're around others.

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

A single viral microbe won't be stopped by a face mask no, however those viruses don't just leave the body by themselves, they're contained in moisture particles that certainly will be captured mostly by a mask.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

I thought you said if people want to wear a mask let them?"

Yeah he hasnt gone against that, hes just saying what he thinks full time mask wearing equates to.

The 2 things hes saying arent mutually exclusive

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

No, it's like "wear a condom any time you might transmit a disease." For a condom, that's during sex. For a mask, that's while you're around others."

When you might transmit a disease. Exactly. If you think you've got something mask / wrap up

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

I thought you said if people want to wear a mask let them?

Yeah he hasnt gone against that, hes just saying what he thinks full time mask wearing equates to.

The 2 things hes saying arent mutually exclusive "

Yes I agree, not sure what swing dress is getting at

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By *uietly_KinkyMan
over a year ago

High Wycombe

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

No, it's like "wear a condom any time you might transmit a disease." For a condom, that's during sex. For a mask, that's while you're around others.

When you might transmit a disease. Exactly. If you think you've got something mask / wrap up "

Do you only put a condom on if you "think" you've got an STD?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There's no need to watch media discussions etc, in order to be informed. Stick with the research evidence. It clearly shows the benefits, primarily to stop the wearer's transmission of the virus as well as offering secondary benefits of reducing the potential of the wearer getting infected too. They have reduced infection levels and mortality. Some people quite like not losing their lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

The lock down parties early on showed that the politicians weren't scared,they were going on the news daily pumping the fear whilst they were partying,50 plus in one party,yet they weren't afraid of catching covid,why???,because they knew fine well it wasn't what they said it was.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

Then the revelation lately by Pfizer live on camera in the EU that they never tested for transmission just shows the lies,remember that slogan about getting the vaccine "don't get it for yourself,get it for others",well the Pfizer revelation shows that slogan was complete fake advertisement.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies."

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

"Anyone see this? Was very satisfying to see a mask zealot like Nana being schooled by a professional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking."

Can you explain this with a bit more detail please? I'm not sure what you mean

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Pity you have ignored the facts about mask wearing. Please read up on the Spanish Flu of 1918 especially re the false mask wearing propaganda and how it can and did cause bacterial pneumonia.

History repeats itself because people don't check history and liars in power take advantage of this.

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking."

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison. "

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public? "

I didn't say that. The clue is in the word 'crooked'. There were several country leaders who refused to shut down their country for covid. Remember President Magafuli of Tanzania who sent goat, papaya and engine oil samples for PCR testing and got positive test results? He died mysteriously along with a couple of others who didn't toe the line. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

Ha ha ha, priceless, keep 'em coming

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

Ha ha ha, priceless, keep 'em coming

Mock, laugh etc but never give a serious reply. Classic.

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

Ha ha ha, priceless, keep 'em coming

See also Burundi and the most puzzling of all Haiti. Strikes me that Covid had the biggest impact in the countries who’s leaders signed them up to be affected by it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

Ha ha ha, priceless, keep 'em coming

Mock, laugh etc but never give a serious reply. Classic. "

You're new here aren't you

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

Mask wearing didn't and doesn't cause bacteria pneumonia. Please explain without copying and pasting how it might possibly do that?

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Pity you have ignored the facts about mask wearing. Please read up on the Spanish Flu of 1918 especially re the false mask wearing propaganda and how it can and did cause bacterial pneumonia.

History repeats itself because people don't check history and liars in power take advantage of this. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Well those are all facts,why don't you send a freedom of information request to the ONS,see for yourself,and the Pfizer revelation was live on camera so it's on YouTube,and the lockdown parties are just common sense...they weren't afraid..why??,because they closer to the truth than anyone else.

Don't be brainwashed,it's OK to admit you've been fooled sometimes,we all have at some point in life,we're only human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison. "

And all were advised by the WEF...just my personal opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

Ha ha ha, priceless, keep 'em coming

You're very naive to how the world script works,and not every government went down that route,but mainly the western world.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public? "

I dont anybody is ever seriously suggesting that. However its clear govts looked to each other for what to do and largely followed in line with each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Remember President Magafuli of Tanzania who sent goat, papaya and engine oil samples for PCR testing and got positive test results? I'll let you draw your own conclusions. "

Conclusion: poor molecular biology technique/contamination. I'd reject any reaction showing exponential amplification in the NTC.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison. "

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

See my comment above for me answer to that

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

" Remember President Magafuli of Tanzania who sent goat, papaya and engine oil samples for PCR testing and got positive test results? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Conclusion: poor molecular biology technique/contamination. I'd reject any reaction showing exponential amplification in the NTC.

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

Keep taking the meds, Winston.

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

" Remember President Magafuli of Tanzania who sent goat, papaya and engine oil samples for PCR testing and got positive test results? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Conclusion: poor molecular biology technique/contamination. I'd reject any reaction showing exponential amplification in the NTC.

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?"

Should have been 'why' not who.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

See my comment above for me answer to that"

See the comment I was replying to;

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison"

Clearly the writer of that comment believes it to be true.

Winston

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

And all were advised by the WEF...just my personal opinion."

Yes, I agree, they are all over this. Plus the UN WHO. Rockefeller Lock Step etc.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

Keep taking the meds, Winston.

As I said last time you made that suggestion to me...

Only an idiot doesn't take meds for an ailment or illness.

It's not the insult you think it is.

Winston

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

See my comment above for me answer to that

See the comment I was replying to;

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison"

Clearly the writer of that comment believes it to be true.

Winston

The fact that you keep going over this proves you have learnt nothing over the last 3 years, Winston.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

See my comment above for me answer to that

See the comment I was replying to;

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison"

Clearly the writer of that comment believes it to be true.

Winston

You could look at that both ways.

They all did pretty much act in unison, whether by 'follow the leader' mentality or by the more outlandish 'gather round a large mahogany table at midnight in a secret location spectre-style', the outcome was the same really

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

Keep taking the meds, Winston.

As I said last time you made that suggestion to me...

Only an idiot doesn't take meds for an ailment or illness.

It's not the insult you think it is.

Winston "

I trust in my immune system, Winston. Do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?"

Haha, logical fallacies are great fun. I choose to ignore inaccurate quote mining.

Mullis also said HIV doesn't cause AIDS - quite impressive when we can use qPCR to establish U=U. Happy to help.

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By *fternoonDelight69Man
over a year ago

Southampton

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?

Haha, logical fallacies are great fun. I choose to ignore inaccurate quote mining.

Mullis also said HIV doesn't cause AIDS - quite impressive when we can use qPCR to establish U=U. Happy to help."

Are you saying you didn't know that the inventor of the PCR stated it can't test for a live infection?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying you didn't know that the inventor of the PCR stated it can't test for a live infection?"

This looks like copypasta. I'm aware of the many things Mullis said and have been for years. Certain that the first time you'd heard of KM was on some YouTube video an algorithm popped into your feed.

Can you address where the viral nucleic acids come from that are detected in qPCR?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?

Haha, logical fallacies are great fun. I choose to ignore inaccurate quote mining.

Mullis also said HIV doesn't cause AIDS - quite impressive when we can use qPCR to establish U=U. Happy to help.

Are you saying you didn't know that the inventor of the PCR stated it can't test for a live infection?"

He actually didn't say that at all. It is a misquote from an interview where he stated (in a nutshell) that the test doesn't detect viruses, only proteins... however, the proteins that it is detecting CAN be specific to a virus and consequently proves the presence of that virus in the sample.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?

Haha, logical fallacies are great fun. I choose to ignore inaccurate quote mining.

Mullis also said HIV doesn't cause AIDS - quite impressive when we can use qPCR to establish U=U. Happy to help.

Are you saying you didn't know that the inventor of the PCR stated it can't test for a live infection?

Cal "

Yeah, it's been thrown around as proof of... something since 2020.

Probably proof that people don't fact check their gotcha lines.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

Keep taking the meds, Winston.

As I said last time you made that suggestion to me...

Only an idiot doesn't take meds for an ailment or illness.

It's not the insult you think it is.

Winston

I trust in my immune system, Winston. Do you?"

I don't know anything about your immune system.

Winston

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

See my comment above for me answer to that

See the comment I was replying to;

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison"

Clearly the writer of that comment believes it to be true.

Winston

The fact that you keep going over this proves you have learnt nothing over the last 3 years, Winston.

The irony in that comment is of gargantuan proportions.

Winston

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

" Remember President Magafuli of Tanzania who sent goat, papaya and engine oil samples for PCR testing and got positive test results? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Conclusion: poor molecular biology technique/contamination. I'd reject any reaction showing exponential amplification in the NTC.

When the inventor of the PCR test stated that it cannot test for a live infection, who do you choose to ignore that very important fact?"

Lol, that's an oldie

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By *tephan51Man
over a year ago

Warwick

"There's no need to watch media discussions etc, in order to be informed. Stick with the research evidence. It clearly shows the benefits, primarily to stop the wearer's transmission of the virus as well as offering secondary benefits of reducing the potential of the wearer getting infected too. They have reduced infection levels and mortality. Some people quite like not losing their lives

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Anthony Fauchi head of the CDC said wear 1 then 2 then upto 4 masks to protect however this was the same "expert" that wrote a book back in the '80's about the 1918 spanish flu and publically stated that MORE deaths were due to the continued wearing of masks than the flu itself !

Yes lets trust the science, well only the science the government via MSM want you to hear !

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Anthony Fauchi head of the CDC said wear 1 then 2 then upto 4 masks to protect however this was the same "expert" that wrote a book back in the '80's about the 1918 spanish flu and publically stated that MORE deaths were due to the continued wearing of masks than the flu itself !

Yes lets trust the science, well only the science the government via MSM want you to hear !"

WoW !!

They kept statistics about the number of people who died of flu because they wore masks...

I'm impressed !!

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By *lipandSlide777Couple
over a year ago

Bideford

"If people want to wear masks let them ffs

If they don't, leave then the fuck alone

But common sense people, if you're feeling like crap and you're coughing and spluttering, do try and stay home for just a couple of days to get over it

And if you absolutely must go out, would it kill you to wear a mask for the 5 minutes you're in Tesco's (other supermarkets are available)

But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex'

I thought you said if people want to wear a mask let them?

Yeah he hasnt gone against that, hes just saying what he thinks full time mask wearing equates to.

The 2 things hes saying arent mutually exclusive

Yes I agree, not sure what swing dress is getting at

I doubt many do, seems like it usually gets it's knickers in a twist.

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over a year ago

"Anthony Fauchi head of the CDC said wear 1 then 2 then upto 4 masks to protect however this was the same "expert" that wrote a book back in the '80's about the 1918 spanish flu and publically stated that MORE deaths were due to the continued wearing of masks than the flu itself !

Yes lets trust the science, well only the science the government via MSM want you to hear !"

Yeah, this bacterial pneumonia Spanish influenza mask thing is false. Unless you can cite the paper? I won't hold my breath.

We tend to hide science from you in scientific journals. Don't like it? Submit a manuscript showing your empirical data.

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Pity you have ignored the facts about mask wearing. Please read up on the Spanish Flu of 1918 especially re the false mask wearing propaganda and how it can and did cause bacterial pneumonia.

History repeats itself because people don't check history and liars in power take advantage of this. "

Pity you didn't read this properly and see the pneumonia was prevalent during to people's lungs being damaged by the flu and being more susceptible to it not the masks

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

The fact that the government clicked the fingers and 90% of people complied is a success for the powers that be,because now if they want to lockdown for other things they know people will comply,maybe pollution lockdowns because apparently pollution went down a good bit during the first lockdown...maybe covid was a smokescreen and the real agenda is climate change,maybe the first lockdown was a trial run for the future battle against climate change...or in other words social control.

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Please enlighten us with your facts?

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

Planned by who?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I don’t get the bed wetting about wearing a mask.

Wear one or don’t wear one just leave people to get on with the choices they make. What’s the point of getting upset as to whether they have one on or don’t?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

Sounds like a plot to a movie that gets panned in reviews

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By *imAndHerKentCouple
over a year ago

Folkestone

Completely off thread, but in the 1980s I (Mr) was in court when Nina Myskow was being sued for libel.

The plaintiff's barrister deliberately mispronunced her name as Miss-cow to wind her up. It worked a treat.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Completely off thread, but in the 1980s I (Mr) was in court when Nina Myskow was being sued for libel.

The plaintiff's barrister deliberately mispronunced her name as Miss-cow to wind her up. It worked a treat."

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"I don’t get the bed wetting about wearing a mask.

Wear one or don’t wear one just leave people to get on with the choices they make. What’s the point of getting upset as to whether they have one on or don’t?

You new to the human race then are you?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I don’t get the bed wetting about wearing a mask.

Wear one or don’t wear one just leave people to get on with the choices they make. What’s the point of getting upset as to whether they have one on or don’t?

You new to the human race then are you? "

I must be. Life is so much better when you don’t sweat the small stuff.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

Planned by who? "

"They" obviously. Who the "they" are is seldom clear.

Winston

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 08/01/23 22:26:34]

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

Planned by who? "

Big tech,big pharma,WHO...all have a connection to WEF.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"[Removed by poster at 08/01/23 22:26:34]"

Interesting withdrawal there, unfortunately for you, I saw it.

The clip didn't say what you said it did.

Winston

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

Sounds like a plot to a movie that gets panned in reviews "

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

I could never but in to the 'them' narrative. The NWO (not the Hulk Hogan one).

Don't get me wrong. I don't doubt the desires of the nefarious political and corporate power monger's wanting to elevate themselves above the rest of us plebs

You can look at the Bezos and the Musk's and the Trump's and the Clinton's et al and completely believe they'd have the desire to work together to see us all with fuck all

I just don't think any of them could logistically do it.

I don't doubt their callousness. I doubt their capability

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t get the bed wetting about wearing a mask.

Wear one or don’t wear one just leave people to get on with the choices they make. What’s the point of getting upset as to whether they have one on or don’t?

You new to the human race then are you?

I must be. Life is so much better when you don’t sweat the small stuff. "

Yes but those little areas of small stuff gives the powers that be confidence to go bigger with future things.

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston "

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston "

This has been planned by “they” the WEF(you’ll own nothing and be happy) Builderbergs, Blackrock,Vanguard ect since the late 90’s early 2000 possibly earlier,slowly putting the pieces into place “penetrating the world’s cabinets”(governments)klaus swabb quote, all you have to do is look at the WEF website CBDC,Health passport,Net zero(while they all fly in private jets) eating bugs ect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 08/01/23 22:26:34]

Interesting withdrawal there, unfortunately for you, I saw it.

The clip didn't say what you said it did.

Winston"

I withdrew because I replied to the wrong person,but here you go to prove the clip is what I said and is fact.

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/mnxlxzxoZx0

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks."

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Tit for tat,you know and others know what I meant.

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Haha,I don't believe I mentioned anything about 165 countries.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Who needs countries when you have lizard people?

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"Why is a microbiologist debating about this?

Covid is a virus not a microorganism.

A microorganism is an organism of microscopic size. It includes bacteria, viruses and some fungi and parasites."

I wasn't aware there are fungi that are not microorganisms. Besides the above, there are lots of microscopic algae.

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking."

Missed me?

For those who have got in a titter regarding the above quote.

Look at your mortgage,

Look at your utilities bill,

Look at your Groceries bill,

Look at your petrol bill,

And personally yourselves you can add to those costs, and trace where those profits go, its not rocket science just use your senses.

If your senses are not alarmed as you pay out your hard earned cash, then in my opinion you care not for others but only yourself. your are the ones who drive this agenda.

What is this agenda?

I do not know, haven't a clue, all I know the poor are getting poorer till there's nothing more to take.

So its your turn the middle classes the eye has turned to you, and your children, I am sorry to say.

You can bicker, swop facts from journals, but the fact is your paying more to live, to breath the simple things that are now under threat, you, me pay more for.

To see others argue for this state of affairs tells me they profit from it in some way.

The divide on this thread is clear for all to see, and until we can find a common ground.

This will just keep on going till none of us as a race of beings have nothing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Please enlighten us with your facts?"

For example, you stated that masks 'don't work'. Ample evidence exists that they do work. They primarily prevent an infected wearer from releasing higher volumes of virus particles. This was their main objective for being worn. As asymptomatic infections have been fairly widespread, this helped to reduce people unknowingly infected, from passing on the virus. Masks had a secondary benefit, of reducing infections that could be caught by the wearers too, even though this wasn't the main reason for their use.

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Who needs countries when you have lizard people?"

Haha I don't believe that lizard crap,but good try with the pigeonholing.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Haha,I don't believe I mentioned anything about 165 countries."

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison."

Global. All countries. There are circa 165 countries.

Winston

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Please enlighten us with your facts?

But also conversely there are more peer reviewed studies that say they (masks)make no difference at all as one eminent professor said a mask trying to stop a virus is like firing marbles at a chain link fence Belgium mandated the n95 and found they made no difference look it up

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

So if all this is true. If the real nefarious conspiracies actually are happening (but possibly concealed behind layers of very silly and laughable conspiracies to undermine any chance of anything being taken remotely seriously) then what are you/people doing about it? Shouting on a swinger website isn’t going to achieve much!

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Please enlighten us with your facts?

Eminent professor ?

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By *winga2Man
over a year ago

Stranraer

"one eminent professor said a mask trying to stop a virus is like firing marbles at a chain link fence "

Theres a 1 in 5 chance the marble will deflect off the fence that's pretty good odds and a very good reason the wear a mask

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies.

Pity you've ignored the facts, with so many words wasted

Please enlighten us with your facts?

The strongest evidence, including those looking at hundreds of thousands of people, indicates that masks are very effective, in the ways detailed.

The following conclusions are from a BMJ systematic review and meta-analysis suggesting that several personal protective and social measures, including handwashing, mask wearing, and physical distancing are associated with reductions in the incidence covid-19.

Globally, there is a significantly stronger evidence basis for wearing masks than not.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

So, what you're saying is that EVERY Govt. in the world combined to hoodwink their public?

I've just dribbled some engine oil on a Covid test, came back negative.

Haven't got a goat. Wish I did, I'd call him Wilf.

Papaya, non in fruit bowl, will a squashed up banana do?

Conclusion drawn up....President Magafuli (isn't that a Spanish holiday resort)is a nutter.

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By *dam and slutCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter."

So far it's worked for me

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over a year ago

Huddersfield

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

To be fair back during the pandemic there were stories of teenagers using orange juice of LFTs and getting a positive result so they could stay off school. It isn’t too much of a stretch to think something could be used to “trick” or “trigger” PCRs

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By *laterMan
over a year ago

Huddersfield

"But the whole "wear a mask all the time just in case you're ill" is a bit 'wear a condom all the time in case you have sex' "

And it makes having a pee really difficult!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"To be fair back during the pandemic there were stories of teenagers using orange juice of LFTs and getting a positive result so they could stay off school. It isn’t too much of a stretch to think something could be used to “trick” or “trigger” PCRs"

*orange juice in LFTs...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think to an extent that's silly.

Yes, people will exist who try to game the system. It doesn't mean the system doesn't work.

I'm reminded of a creationist "gotcha" on YouTube years ago, and being smacked down

"This specimen we know to be X years old, and carbon dating says it's countless millions of years old! This science doesn't work!"

"That's because there's no fucking carbon in it"

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

So far it's worked for me "

The cardboard box or mask?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

So far it's worked for me

The cardboard box or mask?

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Adding something that drops the pH for PCR sample won't produce a positive like it can do a lft.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter."

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

*does

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes. "

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston "

I also have long term lived experience of the scientific consensus and its role in my life - medicine, engineering, more besides. Keeping me safe and well. (I didn't say "scientists", it's important to note. I also didn't say "politicians" or "health ministries")

I don't always understand the science, but I know the principles of the scientific method.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hesitate to get involved in this but the evidence that face masks prevent viral spread is all but non-existent. There is a “common sense” argument but this has not been proven my studies (and do we not “follow the science”)?

Ultimately, though, it’s personal choice. But criticising others for not wearing them is not scientifically justified.

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

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By *orset.JMan
over a year ago

Weymouth

"I hesitate to get involved in this but the evidence that face masks prevent viral spread is all but non-existent. There is a “common sense” argument but this has not been proven my studies (and do we not “follow the science”)?

Ultimately, though, it’s personal choice. But criticising others for not wearing them is not scientifically justified.

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients. "

Plenty of data to suggest ( already mentioned on the thread) that they work but this study is one of the best for supporting evidence that they reduce transmission

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32472679/

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients. "

Whatever gave you that idea lol

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston "

Understanding removes the need for "belief".

Belief:

noun

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

"his belief in extraterrestrial life"

trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston

Understanding removes the need for "belief".

Belief:

noun

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

"his belief in extraterrestrial life"

trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

It's an equivocation, in some cases deliberate.

I believe that my family loves me because of (a lifetime of the way they've treated me).

I believe that the scientific method works because (scientific progress since it was widely adopted).

Not the same as "I believe in miracles, where you from, you sexy thing" (I decided not to go into religion because I don't want to insult anyone needlessly)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks. Things have moved on since that paper though:

The UKHSA scientific rationale for mask mandates is based on a review last updated in the summer of 2021 of 28 studies, two of which are trials and the rest studies of abysmal quality. Most are observational, making claims such as an 80 per cent reduction in cases after mask introduction - making masks use a miracle, not a human intervention. If that were the case, SARS-CoV-2 would had been sent packing years ago, and with it, all the other respiratory viruses.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston

Understanding removes the need for "belief".

Belief:

noun

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

"his belief in extraterrestrial life"

trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

It's an equivocation, in some cases deliberate.

I believe that my family loves me because of (a lifetime of the way they've treated me).

I believe that the scientific method works because (scientific progress since it was widely adopted).

Not the same as "I believe in miracles, where you from, you sexy thing" (I decided not to go into religion because I don't want to insult anyone needlessly)"

Fair enough.

I guess the point I'm making is, if people understand what the masks are doing, they're less likely to believe some nonsense they saw on YouTube etc.

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over a year ago

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol"

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston

Understanding removes the need for "belief".

Belief:

noun

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

"his belief in extraterrestrial life"

trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

It's an equivocation, in some cases deliberate.

I believe that my family loves me because of (a lifetime of the way they've treated me).

I believe that the scientific method works because (scientific progress since it was widely adopted).

Not the same as "I believe in miracles, where you from, you sexy thing" (I decided not to go into religion because I don't want to insult anyone needlessly)

Fair enough.

I guess the point I'm making is, if people understand what the masks are doing, they're less likely to believe some nonsense they saw on YouTube etc. "

Sure. I suspect we're past that point now. Camps have been formed, and the proof in the pudding will be in the eating.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If people believe a mask will stop a virus, I've a large thick cardboard box that's a nuclear bomb shelter.

The key here is people don't "believe" they understand what wearing a mask goes.

I understand what a mask does.

Because I understand, I believe.

Winston

Understanding removes the need for "belief".

Belief:

noun

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

"his belief in extraterrestrial life"

trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

It's an equivocation, in some cases deliberate.

I believe that my family loves me because of (a lifetime of the way they've treated me).

I believe that the scientific method works because (scientific progress since it was widely adopted).

Not the same as "I believe in miracles, where you from, you sexy thing" (I decided not to go into religion because I don't want to insult anyone needlessly)

Fair enough.

I guess the point I'm making is, if people understand what the masks are doing, they're less likely to believe some nonsense they saw on YouTube etc.

Sure. I suspect we're past that point now. Camps have been formed, and the proof in the pudding will be in the eating. "

Fair enough!

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Haha,I don't believe I mentioned anything about 165 countries.

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison."

Global. All countries. There are circa 165 countries.

Winston "

You're getting my quotes mixed up with other peoples Winston,I suggest you go back and check as I never mentioned anything about 165 countries.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…"

Well you didn't train very well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if all this is true. If the real nefarious conspiracies actually are happening (but possibly concealed behind layers of very silly and laughable conspiracies to undermine any chance of anything being taken remotely seriously) then what are you/people doing about it? Shouting on a swinger website isn’t going to achieve much!"

Because the truth will never get out like many other things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

Well you didn't train very well.

You’re right. I’m a clueless twat who doesn’t understand my own job.

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By *orset.JMan
over a year ago

Weymouth

"Thanks. Things have moved on since that paper though:

I am not sure if you read the study in full- if things have moved on can you point out what is wrong with the conclusions drawn from the study?

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over a year ago

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

Well you didn't train very well.

You’re right. I’m a clueless twat who doesn’t understand my own job. "

Brilliant response

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…"

The British Medical Journal says surgeons wear masks:

"To prevent bacteria entering the patient. Aerobic bacteria such as Streptococcus species—normal flora of the human nasal cavity—can pass into the bloodstream of the patient as a result of the surgeon sneezing or even breathing."

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By *orset.JMan
over a year ago

Weymouth

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

Well you didn't train very well.

You’re right. I’m a clueless twat who doesn’t understand my own job.

Brilliant response

But how many of his colleagues would agree with him, I suspect fewer than 1%.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

Well you didn't train very well.

You’re right. I’m a clueless twat who doesn’t understand my own job. "

It would appear so. No wonder NHS is in trouble!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely. Google beats doctors every time. It’s why people are Googling their symptoms instead of trying to see their GP or ED. Oh hang on…

Seriously though - like I said, if you want to wear a mask then crack on but don’t preach that your way is right and everyone else is stupid.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Absolutely. Google beats doctors every time. It’s why people are Googling their symptoms instead of trying to see their GP or ED. Oh hang on…

Seriously though - like I said, if you want to wear a mask then crack on but don’t preach that your way is right and everyone else is stupid.

I guess you studied urology

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

Well you didn't train very well.

You’re right. I’m a clueless twat who doesn’t understand my own job.

It would appear so. No wonder NHS is in trouble!"

Nina was correct then we should stop accepting and listening to scientists just in case they may be wrong in their conclusions and theories.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Surgeons wear them to protect them from blood splatter from patients, by the way, not to protect patients.

Whatever gave you that idea lol

Err, I trained as a surgeon…

The British Medical Journal says surgeons wear masks:

Who trusts the BMJ when we have someone on a swinging site claiming to be a surgeon?

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Haha,I don't believe I mentioned anything about 165 countries.

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison."

Global. All countries. There are circa 165 countries.

Winston

You're getting my quotes mixed up with other peoples Winston,I suggest you go back and check as I never mentioned anything about 165 countries."

Or..... you simply follow the conversation, where you'll see the point you joined.

It'll make sense then.

Winston

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is anyone able to explain why China has suffered such massive infection rates. After all they do appear to all wear masks.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Is anyone able to explain why China has suffered such massive infection rates. After all they do appear to all wear masks.

If I wanted to know that, I probably wouldn't be asking on here.

The ECDC has a good article discussing why infection rates are higher in China right now.

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over a year ago

Cloth masks are useless.

They won't stop airborne droplets emmited by the mask wearer from penetrating them either directly or from leaking from the gaps either side of the mask.

You can better understand by wearing multiple cloth masks at once and breathing through them onto a pair of glasses or a mirror.

Condensation will still occur because masks are useless at preventing the droplets from leaving the area covered the mask.

If people feel more confident wearing a mask thats your perogotive, but at this stage it's of no benefit to anyone and you might even be doing harm to yourself in other ways.

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By *lipandSlide777Couple
over a year ago

Bideford

"Cloth masks are useless.

They won't stop airborne droplets emmited by the mask wearer from penetrating them either directly or from leaking from the gaps either side of the mask.

You can better understand by wearing multiple cloth masks at once and breathing through them onto a pair of glasses or a mirror.

Condensation will still occur because masks are useless at preventing the droplets from leaving the area covered the mask.

If people feel more confident wearing a mask thats your perogotive, but at this stage it's of no benefit to anyone and you might even be doing harm to yourself in other ways. "

They're not useless at all, it makes it much easier to spot a ____ from a distance.

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over a year ago

"It is the biggest raid on the public purse in history, and the longer they the conservatives are allowed to stay, they will just keep on taking.

Don't delude yourself that Labour etc would have handled anything differently. Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison.

To think the party in power, plus their opposition party's, in 165 countries colluded over Covid, and managed to concoct the whole thing in a matter of weeks is beyond utterly ridiculous.

Winston

The fact you talk about all countries concocting this in weeks shows your naivety.

Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?

Social control and wealth for big pharma...and soon big tech.

OK, let's work on the assumption it's been planned for years.

How many years? Put a guesstimate on it.

Winston

You're shifting away from what I said...it doesn't matter how many years,the point was it wasn't weeks.

Your exact words; "Does it never cross your mind that this may well have been planned for years?"

You suggested it may have been planned for years, if that's your suggestion, how many?

You did use the word "may". By that logic, it may not have been a 165 country plan at all, yes?

Winston

Haha,I don't believe I mentioned anything about 165 countries.

"Convid was a global thing, each crooked gov acted in unison."

Global. All countries. There are circa 165 countries.

Winston

You're getting my quotes mixed up with other peoples Winston,I suggest you go back and check as I never mentioned anything about 165 countries.

Or..... you simply follow the conversation, where you'll see the point you joined.

It'll make sense then.

Winston "

Fair enough Winston..my bad.

Have you checked that link I put on here yet Winston?

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

"The wearing of the masks was part of the fear machine that's all,it looked scary to see in a country that didn't wear them publicly,

they don't work and even scientists who said they did say the opposite now.

100%

I can't believe people still believe this what it is.

Also the ONS stats vs media stats was completely manipulated to pump fear.

This was all about wealth not health,they use taxpayers money to get the country in debt but make money for themselves via shares they have in pharmaceutical companies."

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Cloth masks are useless.

They won't stop airborne droplets emmited by the mask wearer from penetrating them either directly or from leaking from the gaps either side of the mask.

You can better understand by wearing multiple cloth masks at once and breathing through them onto a pair of glasses or a mirror.

Condensation will still occur because masks are useless at preventing the droplets from leaving the area covered the mask.

If people feel more confident wearing a mask thats your perogotive, but at this stage it's of no benefit to anyone and you might even be doing harm to yourself in other ways. "

Try peeing in a urinal while wearing your underpants then come back and tell us that they don't stop some of the pee ...

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"Cloth masks are useless.

They won't stop airborne droplets emmited by the mask wearer from penetrating them either directly or from leaking from the gaps either side of the mask.

You can better understand by wearing multiple cloth masks at once and breathing through them onto a pair of glasses or a mirror.

Condensation will still occur because masks are useless at preventing the droplets from leaving the area covered the mask.

If people feel more confident wearing a mask thats your perogotive, but at this stage it's of no benefit to anyone and you might even be doing harm to yourself in other ways.

They're not useless at all, it makes it much easier to spot a ____ from a distance."
What harm does someone wearing a mask do to you? Personally I won't wear them but if anyone wants to they can crack on.

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over a year ago

There is a discussion on wearing face masks to save the pressure on the NHS on politics live now or on player later if you have missed it.

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By *lipandSlide777Couple
over a year ago

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"Cloth masks are useless.

They won't stop airborne droplets emmited by the mask wearer from penetrating them either directly or from leaking from the gaps either side of the mask.

You can better understand by wearing multiple cloth masks at once and breathing through them onto a pair of glasses or a mirror.

Condensation will still occur because masks are useless at preventing the droplets from leaving the area covered the mask.

If people feel more confident wearing a mask thats your perogotive, but at this stage it's of no benefit to anyone and you might even be doing harm to yourself in other ways.

They're not useless at all, it makes it much easier to spot a ____ from a distance.What harm does someone wearing a mask do to you? Personally I won't wear them but if anyone wants to they can crack on.

No harm at all, in fact they should wear several just to be extra safe

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over a year ago

Professor Paul Hunter from East Anglia university was on the TV the other day with regards to the wearing of masks. His opinion was that if you are ill or immune suppressed then yes wearing a mask is a good idea in public places and transport. Other than that his opinion was that with the the high proportion of the polulation who are vaccinated it would have minimal impact.

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