FabSwingers.com forum: Hospitals at breaking point

By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

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By *reenleavesCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"I don't think you're making the point you think you're making

How else can we put it?

The wrong people, not! doing the job.

What happened to the hipocratic oath?

They had numerous people that didn't exist to make it look worse than it is.

Don't believe the BS.

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"I don't think you're making the point you think you're making

How else can we put it?

The wrong people, not! doing the job.

What happened to the hipocratic oath?

They had numerous people that didn't exist to make it look worse than it is.

Don't believe the BS."

What do you mean, "They had numerous people that didn't exist....."

They appear mutually exclusive phrases.

Winston

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"I don't think you're making the point you think you're making

Winston

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Those shouting the loudest are usually the least ill

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By *instonandLadyAstorCouple
over a year ago

Not where we seem to be...

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting. "

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston "

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100% certain that they never existed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if there's a plausible explanation OP? Such as alien abduction?

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Did they warn you the medication would cause delusions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100% certain that they never existed."

They had probably gone outside for a smoke, gone loo, gone to the hospital shop and also some give up waiting and go home.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting. "

As a person who works in a very large hospital with close contacts who work in the A&E department I believe I'm very well placed to tell you and anyone else reading that you are talking utter garbage.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

there are plenty of folk who are happy with this situation as they vote for a party who trash the NHS and blame migrants

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100% certain that they never existed.

They had probably gone outside for a smoke, gone loo, gone to the hospital shop and also some give up waiting and go home. "
I am not a person to be shocked, but after 25 hours with zero treatment forms 79 year old aunt and many others around us, then witnessing a lady who was fitting and clearly very ill being left until she needed urgent resuscitation words fail me. I have been to A & E a few times for various injuries so not oblivious to how it works!

All I can say is don't get ill as no one cares!!!!

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By *mma29Couple
over a year ago

wirral

Was you there 14 hours or 25 hours?

Either amount of time is crazy and needs sorting.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The reality is that the government want to run down the NHS, with the ultimate objective of having it privatised; as the population ages the NHS is costly too much, and has a massive number of unfilled vacancies.

It was a really good idea in the 1940s, but it has run its course and must be totally reconstituted!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

Are you saying nurses and doctors are lying?

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

Are you saying nurses and doctors are lying?"

They are using very clever tactics to make it look so!

So yes 100%

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

Are you saying nurses and doctors are lying?

They are using very clever tactics to make it look so!

So yes 100%

What absolute fools to make of yourselves

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Actually gets me angry. I'm actually beyond angry at this garbage. The pressure NHS staff are working under us like nothing I've ever known in a 39 year career and these people come along and say it's all a lie???

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

"there are plenty of folk who are happy with this situation as they vote for a party who trash the NHS and blame migrants"

Both LIEbour and the CONsocialists have destroyed the NHS both cheeks of the same arse ……and as for the ILLEGAL immigrants who get 2 in person GP appointments a week dentists on demand that also put a huge strain on the healthcare system with the TB, and other contagious illnesses so I see the government all mps and the immigrants equally as responsible

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Actually gets me angry. I'm actually beyond angry at this garbage. The pressure NHS staff are working under us like nothing I've ever known in a 39 year career and these people come along and say it's all a lie???

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap"

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Something is amiss because names were called but nobody answered? You really think staff have got time for playing games? Get a grip of yourself. If names were called for people who weren't there it's because they left and went home,more than likely because they didn't need to be there in the first place. Simple as that. No conspiracy theories, no games, no things amiss. Staff don't have time for that or garbage like this. You clearly have zero respect for NHS staff so so not pretend you do. If you aren't happy with the care you're getting then you get up and go home aswell instead of belittling staff who are working under pressures that most folk will never experience or understand.

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By *mma29Couple
over a year ago

wirral

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering? "

Yes I'm still waiting for that one to be answered. I may have found I flaw in their comment

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

This isn't satire, is it?

Please please realise the dismantling of the NHS has always been the goal of the torys*. Always. The underfunding has never been more obvious than all of the money wasted during the pandemic - which we can all agree on at least was criminally handed.

To lay the blame at the feet of the staff who are most directly affected by these barbaric and negligent budgets and polices when they have as much power and away as the next voter, is just mind bogglingly blindsided to the actual problem.

There is only so much you can do with diminishing resources. A friend of mine was a student nurse during all lockdowns. His biggest concern is that though he is now highly specialised he's missed a huge chunk of important education. Because of the understaffing, student nurses were being pulled in to fill ranks above them. And now there's no time to go back and fill in that missed training because the situation is getting worse.

The newspapers are literally only good for fish and chips and emergency toilet roll. Stop listening to them.

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering? "

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

*tories, not conservatives - I recognise the difference.

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable. "

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

Finally... Yep agree. Incompetence and gaming in many cases. Strangely I had a call today from a cardio chap. I had heart palpitations last feb.. Nearly a year ago. Took me a month to see my gp.. Took 4 months to post me a 24 hour monitor... (August) today was the follow up call... 5 months later.. Why we still worship the thing built 80 years ago I can't fathom.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable. "

I've sat in many a and e and resuss areas with my mother before this current crisis and witnessed a lot. Good and bad. I don't doubt you witnessed 'stuff' because things aren't great at the moment. You may have seen things that lead you to believe we're being scammed but I've seen a lot that makes me believe we're not.

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

Modernisation and a government that isn't intent on stripping it bare. At this point it needs to be levelled and NHS 2.0 created.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable. "

You witnessed things but won't offer a single example?

What poor care did you witness? Were the patients they were able to see before youd had enough and went home for tea receiving poor care? How do you know what care patients were being given behind curtains? What medical credentials do you have to identify what is and isn't poor care?

This gargange rant of yours has more holes than a sieve

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant. "

How is a comment on today's Woke folk being political

What party is that then?

I'm just a real caring person who witnessed it first hand!!! Elderly folk are just fodder....we should be ashamed where is their voice?

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

You witnessed things but won't offer a single example?

This gargange rant of yours has more holes than a sieve "

Let me guess, you work in the NHS?

Witnessed plenty.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

You witnessed things but won't offer a single example?

This gargange rant of yours has more holes than a sieve

Let me guess, you work in the NHS?

Witnessed plenty."

Name 1 thing you witnessed.

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

How is a comment on today's Woke folk being political

What party is that then?

I'm just a real caring person who witnessed it first hand!!! Elderly folk are just fodder....we should be ashamed where is their voice? "

Don't use a word that provokes and then be coy. You know what you were doing. Regardless.

I was a community careworker for a while, rural too. So I know how the elderly are treated. So absolutely we should be shouting out and looking after them. It's only gotten worse across the board.

But blaming it on the NHS when it really isn't their fault? Come on, aim your frustrations at the ones who cause those issues, cos it isn't the doctors, nurses, porters etc.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

Modernisation and a government that isn't intent on stripping it bare. At this point it needs to be levelled and NHS 2.0 created."

It does. Totally agree. Trouble is we seem to be happy with the shite that it is because "they are doing the best that they can"... If 1.5million people all did the best they can for a year we could build xanadu. We need to stop trying to save it... Put it out of its misery and as you said... Build a health service suitable for a population of 75m people and suitable for today rather than 30 or 40 or 50 years ago.

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant. "

If the NHS weren’t spending £40 mil on diversity and inclusion management and god only knows how much on interpreters so I’d agree the NHS is woke all the “doctors” and a fair few “nurses” (I use “”to denote that these individuals are not medical professionals trained to British standards) when my dear dad was in hospital (countess of chester) in 2012 the care he received was appalling back then due to foreign “doctors” and “nurses” and the very apparent lack of medical knowledge as well as the language barrier (they could not speak or understand English)

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I started to think your truth was a Tory truth when you went from waiting 14 hours to waiting 25 hours in the space of 1 hour.Sorry but I do have serious doubts about your facts. Remember what they say about people that need good memories.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"This isn't satire, is it?

The newspapers are literally only good for fish and chips and emergency toilet roll. Stop listening to them.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm just a real caring person who witnessed it first hand!!! Elderly folk are just fodder....we should be ashamed where is their voice? "

I wouldn't say fodder but their care is not what it could be. If the requisite boxes can be ticked the job's done!

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

Wow, we are going racial now.

I'm out. See anyone who isn't happy with the NHS? Simply stop using it. Look after yourselves and leave it free for the rest of us

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

Wow, we are going racial now.

I'm out. See anyone who isn't happy with the NHS? Simply stop using it. Look after yourselves and leave it free for the rest of us"

Yep, even I can't bring myself to touch this steaming pile.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

Wow, we are going racial now.

I'm out. See anyone who isn't happy with the NHS? Simply stop using it. Look after yourselves and leave it free for the rest of us"

Now that is a brilliant idea. Just give me all my tax back that paid for it and happy to do it.

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By *hadowcookieCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??"

It’s appreciated by most of us - we get it xx

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

Its funny how quickly opinions change isn't it. Not too long ago we had a weekly celebration for the NHS and front line staff. Now we're villifying them for things beyond their control, because we're told to. By the very same people who told us to clap every week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??"

That's the thing though isn't it. If your assertion is that all 1.5m nhs employees are working 12 hour shifts and working flat out... And if the consumers of that service are receiving such long wait times and bad health care...something is so surely wrong? And whilst more money may paper over some areas. There's not enough money in the world to make some of it better because its broken, out of date and so far from a decent Western civilisation health care provider. We need to recognise its failings and its current abilities and we need to stop thinking its the answer as in its current format it really isn't. In what world is an 11 month wait to have a 5 minute phone consult with a heart specialist for heart problems acceptable?

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??"

I would imagine that the only ones that are underworked are those at the top, I am talking about all the trust managers that the NHS did not know it needed until fairly recently and are now making it top heavy. It ran far better without the Quangos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its funny how quickly opinions change isn't it. Not too long ago we had a weekly celebration for the NHS and front line staff. Now we're villifying them for things beyond their control, because we're told to. By the very same people who told us to clap every week."
tbf we hadn't realised they'd spent the four years going from live savioura to devious fuckers who will go out of their way to do no work, while watching people have fits and the like. Pyschopaths every last one of them. Not one of these people who spent years training, probably at some cost, could be arsed to help. Probably all planning the island they will be able to buy when their below inflation payrise comes in. Or when some Tory lord (or their mate down the pub) pays them big bucks when they buy the NHS on the cheap.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

My own daughter was well in to her 3rd year of nursing training and left as she said. With what I see I really don't think I want to do that. That was around 5 years ago and even in that short time

it is far worse now than it was then.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

My nephew went to a&e with a suspected broken ankle 2 weeks and after 10 hours left after not being seen.

He has severe Crohn's which is not under control and was in too much pain to be able to stay for his ankle.

It was very traumatic for him and his family.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Its funny how quickly opinions change isn't it. Not too long ago we had a weekly celebration for the NHS and front line staff. Now we're villifying them for things beyond their control, because we're told to. By the very same people who told us to clap every week.tbf we hadn't realised they'd spent the four years going from live savioura to devious fuckers who will go out of their way to do no work, while watching people have fits and the like. Pyschopaths every last one of them. Not one of these people who spent years training, probably at some cost, could be arsed to help. Probably all planning the island they will be able to buy when their below inflation payrise comes in. Or when some Tory lord (or their mate down the pub) pays them big bucks when they buy the NHS on the cheap. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder if there's a plausible explanation OP? Such as alien abduction?

Alien abduction is impossible as I'm sure they had their tin foil hats on

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??

Did it? I mean really? Or is one of the... When we had matrons it was all OK.?

Lets look at how world leading health care is provided and try and do that rather than keep trying to make our vauxhall viva into a mclaren.

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

You witnessed things but won't offer a single example?

This gargange rant of yours has more holes than a sieve

Let me guess, you work in the NHS?

Witnessed plenty.

Name 1 thing you witnessed."

Total lack of care and empathy.

Dread getting old with this lack of care society that we now have in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

You witnessed things but won't offer a single example?

This gargange rant of yours has more holes than a sieve

Let me guess, you work in the NHS?

Witnessed plenty.

Name 1 thing you witnessed.

Total lack of care and empathy.

Dread getting old with this lack of care society that we now have in place."
do you think it's always been this way ?

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??

Did it? I mean really? Or is one of the... When we had matrons it was all OK.?

Lets look at how world leading health care is provided and try and do that rather than keep trying to make our vauxhall viva into a mclaren. "

Yes it did really, and I am old enough to remember. The NHS is now reputed to have one of the biggest quangos in the world do you really think all those people that are now getting huge wages ( and bonuses) that were not being paid years ago have made it better? It is now being deliberately run in to the ground and for one reason only, try and work out what that reason is. I will give you a clue it starts with $ and ends with greed.

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By *eager3604Man
over a year ago

Atherton

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

The reason you wait so long is the fact that there is someone in a resus bed having a heart attack, Or bleeding out, the drs and nurses are there trying to save someones life. They are doing thete best to see everyone as quickly as they can, but its not a case of first come first served, the sersiously ill have to be the priority.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

And perhaps you should also be thankful that you never recevied a bill for the treatment you did receive. Perhaps if they gave you the brwakdown of the cost you kay keep your complaints to yourself and be thankful that what we get costs us nothing. Is it perfect no. Perhaps go private if you are that frustrated with the free care.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??

Did it? I mean really? Or is one of the... When we had matrons it was all OK.?

Lets look at how world leading health care is provided and try and do that rather than keep trying to make our vauxhall viva into a mclaren.

I defer to your greater knowledge. As someone who attempts to use the service and not someone who works in it... I'm far from convinced it's been anywhere near like a health care service for very many years.. As for quangos.. Don't know. What I do know is that throwing good money after bad is not good practise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work in healthcare/in a hospital …you’re talking through your ass…try work 12hrs in my job and you’ll see how ‘underworked ‘ I am ??

Did it? I mean really? Or is one of the... When we had matrons it was all OK.?

Lets look at how world leading health care is provided and try and do that rather than keep trying to make our vauxhall viva into a mclaren.

"
would those who run NHS England benefit a lot from it being privatised ? I always had that it was the Tories who were said to benefit.

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By *hadowcookieCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100%

certain that they never existed."
maybe because they were time wasters and left …we get so many LAMA patients wasting everyone’s time ..stop being an idiot ,why would we be calling names of people that don’t exist?

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100%

certain that they never existed.maybe because they were time wasters and left …we get so many LAMA patients wasting everyone’s time ..stop being an idiot ,why would we be calling names of people that don’t exist?"

To smokescreen and slow treatment down as possibly following union guidelines, maybe?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

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By *ond Jimmy BondMan
over a year ago

London

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

What utter crap. I know too many people working in London hospitals and they are all struggling. You’re delusional

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

What utter crap. I know too many people working in London hospitals and they are all struggling. You’re delusional "

Nope just honest!

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By *hadowcookieCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable.

What a ridiculous comment. Being woke has nothing to do with accepting poor care. Stop trying to force your politics and views on something entirely irrelevant.

How is a comment on today's Woke folk being political

What party is that then?

I'm just a real caring person who witnessed it first hand!!! Elderly folk are just fodder....we should be ashamed where is their voice? "

I work in a geriatric medical ward in Ireland and I can guarantee that every single elderly patient that comes through our doors is treated with the dignity and respect they have earned through their lives…the problem is we don’t have enough beds/staff and if our nursing homes gave iv antibiotics/fluids 90% of these patients wouldn’t have to be in hospital in the first place

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

What utter crap. I know too many people working in London hospitals and they are all struggling. You’re delusional

Nope just honest!"

Honest doesn't make factual.

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By * and M looking OP Couple
over a year ago

Worcester

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

What utter crap. I know too many people working in London hospitals and they are all struggling. You’re delusional

Nope just honest!

Honest doesn't make factual. "

Having experienced it first hand then just fact, no fiction.

Total shower!

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

What utter crap. I know too many people working in London hospitals and they are all struggling. You’re delusional

Nope just honest!

Honest doesn't make factual.

Having experienced it first hand then just fact, no fiction.

Total shower!"

No, then it makes it your experience, but still not universal fact.

I saw a blue Swan once. That doesn't make me able to claim able swans are blue.

It sucks you had the most awful experience, truly. I'm not being confrontational about that or doubting the effects it's had on you or your family. But you're aiming your frustrations at the wrong people.

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By *mber and FireCouple
over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

All swans*

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By *hadowcookieCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100%

To smokescreen and slow treatment down as possibly following union guidelines, maybe?"

You seriously think this is what’s happening ffs????? Wtf would we put patients lives at risk???? I worked through covid and nearly broke my neck trying to put on ppe gear in ten seconds so I can get into a patient who has pulled off her airvo!!! If I wasn’t putting other patients at risk I would have not bothered with the ppe gear!!!

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport

OP what you say happened may be fact, but your subsequent comments are fiction. Even if you heard names being called out, you have no idea why, so you go on to invent some conspiracy about the union telling them to invent patients, no proof so not factual, just your imagination.

You may have had a bad experience, fit one day, the imagine having that bad experience almost every day, that’s what it’s like to be a nurse or doctor, trying to make up for lack of investment in the service. Huge numbers have left the NHS, and they are not being replaced at the same rate. Staff working in the NHS just have so much to deal with and few people would tolerate working under such conditions, I doubt you would last five minutes. As someone else said , you’re blaming the wrong people and you really such hang your head in shame and apologise to anyone you may have offended with your comments.

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By *ittlemiss Hal O weenCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

"OP what you say happened may be fact, but your subsequent comments are fiction. Even if you heard names being called out, you have no idea why, so you go on to invent some conspiracy about the union telling them to invent patients, no proof so not factual, just your imagination.

This!!! Thank you so much better said than my attempt

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Frankly, it is vital not to end up in hospital at the present time, because they have become extremely dangerous places!

If this situation is to continue, there are going to be many unnecessary deaths, especially of very elderly people who have fallen or who have chest or breathing problems.

How was this situation allowed to develop to this pitch; what have senior management, who are highly remunerated, been doing?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100%

To smokescreen and slow treatment down as possibly following union guidelines, maybe?

I don't doubt that was really scary and tough for some of the 1. 5m nhs staff. How do the strike now square with your comment about putting patients lives at risk?

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By *hadowcookieCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100%

To smokescreen and slow treatment down as possibly following union guidelines, maybe?

I don't doubt that was really scary and tough for some of the 1. 5m nhs staff. How do the strike now square with your comment about putting patients lives at risk? "

First of all as I said earlier I am Irish…second of all if you know how strikes work in a hospital patients are not abandoned to fend for themselves,there are staff looking after patients…. And these strikes weren’t some off the cuff,hasty decision ….this is the result of years of mismanagement,nurses and medical staff being underpaid and overworked…start blaming the right people for a change …and tbh if the nhs was privatised you’d soon see a drop in the LAMA oatiebts and the frequent flyers/time wasters and then maybe the staff will be able to treat the real patients for a change

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Doesn't seem like a Virus topic, except it's not seemingly based on facts, like many of them aren't

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Get well soon, could one of the reasons be 12 years of the toried and 12 weeks of liz?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor. "

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it."

Don't lecture. Anyone with a brain knows it's free at the point of delivery but every one pays for it through their taxes as ni. Which does not make it free. It makes it that we have paid for it. As for my personal situation. You don't know how much tax I've paid nor how much value I have used.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Doesn't seem like a Virus topic, except it's not seemingly based on facts, like many of them aren't "

I think the theme is virus related misinformation.

It reminds me of the social media posts showing empty hallways in hospitals*, therefore lockdown is a scam/Covid is fake.

* Outpatient units at weekends. Go figure

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Doesn't seem like a Virus topic, except it's not seemingly based on facts, like many of them aren't

I think the theme is virus related misinformation.

It reminds me of the social media posts showing empty hallways in hospitals*, therefore lockdown is a scam/Covid is fake.

* Outpatient units at weekends. Go figure "

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Doesn't seem like a Virus topic, except it's not seemingly based on facts, like many of them aren't

I think the theme is virus related misinformation.

It reminds me of the social media posts showing empty hallways in hospitals*, therefore lockdown is a scam/Covid is fake.

* Outpatient units at weekends. Go figure "

Outpatients appointments when most working people are able to attend them is long over due and is a good idea and simply moving with the times.although I think it's just the Saturday isn't it or do some do Sundays as well.?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

You have received far more in value from the NHS than you’ve ever paid into it, even if you’ve never visited a GP in your life, because you have benefitted from national public health services across the board. And the NHS is free by definition, as previously described. You do not pay to use it. People who pay no tax receive the same service as people who pay maximum tax.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson."

So it's free.? Where does the money that pays for the buildings and supplies and care and diagnoses come from if it's free?

One of the many problems in my opinion is the misrepresentation that it's free. Free things have no value. They are more often abused and misused. Whether it's free or not is a bit of a side show tbh. It's not serving its purpose. We are sold an image that all 1.5m hns employees are hard working front line nursing staff. The debate is so manipulated by all sides. It will end with people eventually realising its not a very good service much of the time. People waiting for months and months is not acceptable. Or do you think it is acceptable.?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson.

So it's free.? Where does the money that pays for the buildings and supplies and care and diagnoses come from if it's free?

Read the posts, learn the lesson. Your questions are already answered.

As for the state of the service, of course it’s unacceptable. And in comparison with any private service, it is still excellent in terms of value. But this Conservative government has critically underfunded the service since 2010, so acceptable service delivery today is impossible. That is entirely on the heads of people who voted them into power.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson.

So it's free.? Where does the money that pays for the buildings and supplies and care and diagnoses come from if it's free?

Agreed, the NHS is beyond its capability.

Fewer staff, long hours, poor conditions.

It's been this way for years, I will assume it will only get worse.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Doesn't seem like a Virus topic, except it's not seemingly based on facts, like many of them aren't

I think the theme is virus related misinformation.

It reminds me of the social media posts showing empty hallways in hospitals*, therefore lockdown is a scam/Covid is fake.

* Outpatient units at weekends. Go figure

Different question.

In 2020, people trying to minimise the pandemic and spread information wandered around in outpatients at the weekend claiming that hospitals were empty.

The sections of hospitals that are always empty during the weekend are empty during the weekend. Someone call the press, call the army, there's no coronavirus etc

People lapped that shit up

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!"

'Free at point of entry '.

You're surely not advocating that in a civilised society, we just refuse care to those unemployed?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!"

Which is significant because if people want a better service and argue that it has been under funded, then they must accept increases in taxes and ni to pay for it.

In 2019 NHS spend was 177bn which was about 2600 per capita. About 8 per cent of gdp. Which is more than the EU14. But our tax revenue per capita is lower. We are indeed the sick man/woman of Europe.

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over a year ago

As a nurse in a Respiratory Dept. I'm quite happy to confirm we're all on our knees! The post by OP is frankly insulting. But hey ho, it's back to work I go.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"As a nurse in a Respiratory Dept. I'm quite happy to confirm we're all on our knees! The post by OP is frankly insulting. But hey ho, it's back to work I go. "

Good to get real information straight from the horses mouth. Are you always flat out or is it particularly bad recently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a nurse in a Respiratory Dept. I'm quite happy to confirm we're all on our knees! The post by OP is frankly insulting. But hey ho, it's back to work I go. "

If we can afford to have weapons of mass destruction then we can afford to have ambulances turn up within the clinical guidelines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a nurse in a Respiratory Dept. I'm quite happy to confirm we're all on our knees! The post by OP is frankly insulting. But hey ho, it's back to work I go.

Good to get real information straight from the horses mouth. Are you always flat out or is it particularly bad recently? "

Respiratory has been flat out since COVID appeared nearly three years ago. Other Depts. are equally as bad, stretched by staff leaving and not being able to be replaced. GPs not seeing patients face to face has added to the pressure, as has the general ignorance of a lot of the public as to what is and isn't appropriate for an A&E visit. The total lack of investment in the NHS over a number of years, coupled with Brexit (Staff leaving) and COVID has created a perfect storm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sack the nursing staff? The problem isn't the staff. They're very well trained and capable, it's the lack of staff and funding that is causing these conditions.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Sack the nursing staff? The problem isn't the staff. They're very well trained and capable, it's the lack of staff and funding that is causing these conditions."

Sacking the staff would only increase waiting times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a nurse in a Respiratory Dept. I'm quite happy to confirm we're all on our knees! The post by OP is frankly insulting. But hey ho, it's back to work I go. "

As the partner of a nurse I can only agree with you 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sack the nursing staff? The problem isn't the staff. They're very well trained and capable, it's the lack of staff and funding that is causing these conditions.

Sacking the staff would only increase waiting times."

Exactly !!

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By *olymalelincsMan
over a year ago

southend

So you op you really think that the staff are making up patients now just to increase waiting times? How ridiculous, just because they call out a name and the person doesnt answer because they may be in the toilet or have walked off due to the waiting times. I really despair when I see posts like this and see that people actually belive such utter crap smh.

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport

"Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!

Which is significant because if people want a better service and argue that it has been under funded, then they must accept increases in taxes and ni to pay for it.

In 2019 NHS spend was 177bn which was about 2600 per capita. About 8 per cent of gdp. Which is more than the EU14. But our tax revenue per capita is lower. We are indeed the sick man/woman of Europe. "

I don’t know where you’re getting your data from, this is probably more accurate though

the decade preceding the pandemic. Taking a longer term view enables us to see how trends in spending may have impacted health care resilience today.

Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

If UK spending per person had matched the EU14 average, then the UK would have spent an average of £227bn a year on health between 2010 and 2019 – £40bn higher than actual average annual spending during this period (£187bn).

Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period).

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!

Which is significant because if people want a better service and argue that it has been under funded, then they must accept increases in taxes and ni to pay for it.

In 2019 NHS spend was 177bn which was about 2600 per capita. About 8 per cent of gdp. Which is more than the EU14. But our tax revenue per capita is lower. We are indeed the sick man/woman of Europe.

I don’t know where you’re getting your data from, this is probably more accurate though

the decade preceding the pandemic. Taking a longer term view enables us to see how trends in spending may have impacted health care resilience today.

Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

Yep but it's not that simple... As the gdp per capita in eu14 is higher than in the UK. So as a percentage of gdp we are higher... Doesn't help matching funding with néed. But throwing money into a mal functioning black hole isn't the best answer.

Not least when the population have been asked to pay more tax or ni to fund it they have always said no thanks.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

You could pour billions into the NHS but where would you put these additional funds.

Today, if you could use a magic wand and have 10 more surgical teams ready and waiting to perform surgery, couldn't even start, they'll have to go home.

Unless you have a bed for post operative recovery the surgery doesn't start, it's a daily meeting to see if the elective surgery booked will actually take place.

If an elderly, mainly elderly, patient who is medically fit and ready for discharge hasn't the care facilities laid on to enable them to be discharged home with a full care package, you could have 100 surgeons, scrubbed up, ready to go and without a post operative bed, non starter.

Ask any medic, the story is the same every single day in every surgical unit around the country.

Is this a new problem, absolutely not, been bubbling away for donkey's years under each flavour of government.

Unless you can initially get a handle on social care the rest comes crashing down.

How do we fix it, now there's a question.

Bit like peeling an onion, the more you look, the more complicated it becomes.

Good luck with that one.

It bet in 10 years time we'll still be banging on about what to do with mum or grandad when they've had their surgery and want to come home.

Most want to return home to live independently with dignity but need help for everyday issues and personal care.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

You could pour billions into the NHS but where would you put these additional funds.

Today, if you could use a magic wand and have 10 more surgical teams ready and waiting to perform surgery, couldn't even start, they'll have to go home.

Unless you have a bed for post operative recovery the surgery doesn't start, it's a daily meeting to see if the elective surgery booked will actually take place.

Ask any medic, the story is the same every single day in every surgical unit around the country.

Is this a new problem, absolutely not, been bubbling away for donkey's years under each flavour of government.

Unless you can initially get a handle on social care the rest comes crashing down.

How do we fix it, now there's a question.

Bit like peeling an onion, the more you look, the more complicated it becomes.

Good luck with that one.

It bet in 10 years time we'll still be banging on about what to do with mum or grandad when they've had their surgery and want to come home.

Most want to return home to live independently with dignity but need help for everyday issues and personal care.

Increased funding for social care could help to alleviate this. It's very cimplex, aa you say but if we don't invest in services that reflect the needa of our demographics, then everything that's interconnected will struggle

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

we've had paramedics demand the patients drs come out first to see if its absolutely the right thing to do to take them to hospital had one yesterday septic normally its a str8 in hospital but the waiting in the ambulance time is anything from 8hrs to 14hrs at taunton hospital (it changes daily) so we had a septic lady all antibiotic and pain killer up stay in her room the dr said with out hospital she could go in the next 24 hrs ...so sad

so if anyone has difficulty getting a dr youll now know why as they are being called out by paramediocs to try and stop people going top hospital ....

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

the nhs could be sorted over night with social care being sorted on top of sorting out how money is spent within the nhs

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

You could pour billions into the NHS but where would you put these additional funds.

Today, if you could use a magic wand and have 10 more surgical teams ready and waiting to perform surgery, couldn't even start, they'll have to go home.

Unless you have a bed for post operative recovery the surgery doesn't start, it's a daily meeting to see if the elective surgery booked will actually take place.

Ask any medic, the story is the same every single day in every surgical unit around the country.

Is this a new problem, absolutely not, been bubbling away for donkey's years under each flavour of government.

Unless you can initially get a handle on social care the rest comes crashing down.

How do we fix it, now there's a question.

Bit like peeling an onion, the more you look, the more complicated it becomes.

Good luck with that one.

It bet in 10 years time we'll still be banging on about what to do with mum or grandad when they've had their surgery and want to come home.

Most want to return home to live independently with dignity but need help for everyday issues and personal care.

Yep, and we'll be here in years to come banging on about the same woes.

No government will touch it with a bargepole as it would need a real, non political conversation, could never be sorted within a government term, short term pain and another party to bathe in the plaudits in years to come.

Never going to happen.

To my shame I'm extremely ignorant how other EU nations handle the problem as to the best of my knowledge there doesn't seem to be thousands of elderly dead in the gutters around Europe.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

You could pour billions into the NHS but where would you put these additional funds.

Today, if you could use a magic wand and have 10 more surgical teams ready and waiting to perform surgery, couldn't even start, they'll have to go home.

Unless you have a bed for post operative recovery the surgery doesn't start, it's a daily meeting to see if the elective surgery booked will actually take place.

Ask any medic, the story is the same every single day in every surgical unit around the country.

Is this a new problem, absolutely not, been bubbling away for donkey's years under each flavour of government.

Unless you can initially get a handle on social care the rest comes crashing down.

How do we fix it, now there's a question.

Bit like peeling an onion, the more you look, the more complicated it becomes.

Good luck with that one.

It bet in 10 years time we'll still be banging on about what to do with mum or grandad when they've had their surgery and want to come home.

Most want to return home to live independently with dignity but need help for everyday issues and personal care.

Great Post. And I think the point about removing political aspect is the only way it stands a chance of being improved. A x party health program to rebuild our health service so it's fit for purpose. A 20 year program. I've been in plenty of countries and nowhere do they bang on about their health service as much as we do.

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport

"the nhs could be sorted over night with social care being sorted on top of sorting out how money is spent within the nhs"

Social care would be a good place to start and could be sorted out in a relatively short period. The investment needed is in training, I’m sure if we go back 10 years we were told there would be more doctors and nurses. Doctors graduating has flatlined over that period, I don’t know about nurses.

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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago

somerset

social care is in dire straights and we if not carefull we will lose half of those private homes and even more home care as there is no profit and many homes running on fumes .... home care is shocking many are not taking on new custom as they simple cant staff ... the care homes are not far behind ...like the nhs agency is the problem its ripping the profit from everything no profit no re-investment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread makes a change to the police bashing

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

So I think with a statement like that you do need to explain why you where there.

I went 3 years a go as had a bad cut through a thumb nail.

Checked in then told it would be 4 Hours before I would be seen so walked out.

Tooth brush to clean it supper glue and stery strips to seal it.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I wasn't surprised when my sister in law told me she had to leave her husband on his own in a queue outside A&E on Christmas Eve after he had had a suspected stroke!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson.

So it's free.? Where does the money that pays for the buildings and supplies and care and diagnoses come from if it's free?

No it's much better to reduce what you pay in tax as much as you can and use the NHS only for A&E Then pay private for every thing else.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!

You relise the fact you were waiting 14 hours and are fully capable of writing this that would clearly indicate that you were not dieing.

These hospitals are genrally seeing more patients than they are deaigned for. Lilely they dwaigned for 50 patients, and are proabbaly 3 times over capacity.

How is it free.? Don't be so silly. We all pay for it through our national insurance and taxes. How can you think it's free? We pay a lot of money for a service which is mostly poor.

The value of services you receive from the NHS by any visit to a GP or hospital dwarf any lifetime taxes you have contributed.

The NHS is free because you are not charged for those services as you need them. This shouldn’t need explaining if you think about it.

So if you don’t understand these things, perhaps you should be less sensitive about receiving a lecture, and more concerned with understanding the lesson.

So it's free.? Where does the money that pays for the buildings and supplies and care and diagnoses come from if it's free?

No it's much better to reduce what you pay in tax as much as you can and use the NHS only for A&E Then pay private for every thing else. "

Can you just clarify for me.

You are admitted into A&E with trauma injuries.

This admission will be covered by a taxpayers funded unit and staff.

Once stabilised its decided you need the services of an orthopaedic surgical team and extended physio post surgery.

In your new NHS world would the A&E service be paid by the patients tax, therefore free at source and then their surgery and post surgical treatment paid by themselves as a self fund or insurance.

What happens when they are about to be transferred from A&E to a private unit and they say I've not got insurance and no money in my bank account.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

In any discussion involving the NHS, it's informative to find out what its detractors would prefer.

Some form of pay-per-treatment model, presumably?

If so, what happens to the people who can't pay?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

We're a strange lot. We are more than happy to pay for a night on the piss... An expensive new car... A house... Holidays and weekends away... 100 quid for a swinging club visit... 1.90 a litre of diesel... 250 quid for a car service.. ... But pay for the most important thing to us all? ... Our health.? .. And its like someone's taken a shit in our shoes.... Oh no.. We can't be expected to pay for out health.. It must be free or else.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"We're a strange lot. We are more than happy to pay for a night on the piss... An expensive new car... A house... Holidays and weekends away... 100 quid for a swinging club visit... 1.90 a litre of diesel... 250 quid for a car service.. ... But pay for the most important thing to us all? ... Our health.? .. And its like someone's taken a shit in our shoes.... Oh no.. We can't be expected to pay for out health.. It must be free or else. "

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die? "

Where did you get that from? We are just letting people die now. There aren't many people who can't afford some of them... Mobile. Phones, sky subscription, etc... My point being.. We are not prepared to pay a penny for our health care. But complain about it. We put paying for health care at the bottom of the list, below cars, drinks, fucking, TV, holidays.. Its a strange phenomenon we've been programmed to accept.

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die?

There are people who can't pay for mobile phones or Sky subscriptions either.

What happens to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and global warming oh OK

So there's no chem trails either oh OK happy days

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die?

There are people who can't pay for mobile phones or Sky subscriptions either.

What happens to them? "

The same as happens to them today. Interested to know what percentage don't have a mobile phone though.

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By *hewolfmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die?

You do pay, via your taxes. It is free at the point of use. Healthcare should be a universal right- cars, tv, foreign holidays etc aren’t. Stupid point.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

There are people who can't pay for any of those things.

What happens to them?

Just let them die?

You do pay, via your taxes. It is free at the point of use. Healthcare should be a universal right- cars, tv, foreign holidays etc aren’t. Stupid point. "

Yes I do. The service is awful and getting worse. The worst in Europe. Keep doing things the same way... Keep getting the same outcome. Ask why no other country mimics our health service.?

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

It's okay though, with your idea and Rishi's maths for all, at least we'll know how to work out how much debt we're in after a lengthy hospital stay

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By *entleman of FortuneMan
over a year ago

Hull

Nah, I'm beyond fuming at this crap

I was there and witnessed it first hand I have total

respect for the NHS after saving my life in 2018 but something is amiss!!!

Based on your observations over 14 or 25 hours (not sure which) of nurses calling names and nobody answering?

So, I sat with my 79 year old aunt for 14 hours and then left her to go home as she had been promised a bed.

In that 14 hours, witnessed things that would take too long to type, but not leaving g it there.

I'm not today's WOKE community so don't accept that poor care is acceptable. "

Woke meaning different things to different people, ironically what you're complaining about is actually woke

You couldn't make it up.....though you seem to be having a crack at it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given people are now being trialed in car parks or would rather be in bed after waiting x amount of hours, I don't think it's a conspiracy.

While we're on it, there's a lack of staff because a certain demographic of people voted for brexit, and the government are determined to privatise the NHS so are personally profiting from the shortage of nurses by investing in private care agencies.

If you believe anything you hear on msm I don't know what to tell you except that's why we're here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's get past the idea that NHS treatment is free.

It is not, it is paid by tax payers money.

The only people getting free NHS treatment are the people who do not pay any tax at all.!

Which is significant because if people want a better service and argue that it has been under funded, then they must accept increases in taxes and ni to pay for it.

In 2019 NHS spend was 177bn which was about 2600 per capita. About 8 per cent of gdp. Which is more than the EU14. But our tax revenue per capita is lower. We are indeed the sick man/woman of Europe.

I don’t know where you’re getting your data from, this is probably more accurate though

the decade preceding the pandemic. Taking a longer term view enables us to see how trends in spending may have impacted health care resilience today.

Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

Not least when the population have been asked to pay more tax or ni to fund it they have always said no thanks. "

That malfunctioning black hole that also comprises of ALL PPE costs....

Now I'm no accountant but I'm pretty sure an unprecedented, I'll prepared for, pandemic should have its own fu*king budget centre?!

Then there's the billions in fraud we're just ignoring.... but yeah, it's all the greedy nurses fault... fu*king sociopaths.

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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Total crap.

After spending 14 hours in A & E at the QE yesterday.

It's a huge scam with a need to sack the nursing staff.

What a joke, zero care and stalling tactics to make it look far worse than it is.

Total disgrace!"

I like to think I give anyone the benefit of doubt and try to believe or at least see it from their point of view, this one however I just can't get my head round!

I can't help but think it's incredibly naive to say that... the more cynical side of me says it's possibly bordering on an attempt to incite anger amongst people (which looks like it has worked), for stronger reactions and more responses. That's some naughty trolling if so

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

The NHS certainly has its problems, bolchy bastards turning up with a stubbed toe demanding a bed is probably the biggest problem.

They treat the most serious problems first so if you're asked to wait 4 hours you can safely assume you're probably not about to die

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Witnessed it first hand, they called out numerous names with no response.

You honestly believe that these people actually were in A & E?

They were not!

Total scam, disgusting.

Well, if "these people" (a delightful term) were called, but didn't come, I'd guess, as you say, they weren't in A and E.

Winston

They were and never were.

And after 25 hours in there I am 100% certain that they never existed.

They had probably gone outside for a smoke, gone loo, gone to the hospital shop and also some give up waiting and go home. "

You took the words out of my mouth