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"Just seen the horrifying news, the new variant 'BS Strain' has just been released, it's available on every high Street now, It's easily spotted, it's appears as a green hazy mist, just like that NHS TV advert from last year!!! "We need another vaccine against it. Where are the big pharma companies when you need them? They must be running low on money now that a new wave of anti vaxxers are turning their noses up at the 4th, 5th and 6th boosters for the previous dozen variants. Sounds like a job for captain Pfizer  | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant." Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid  | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid "True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
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"There's new variants of flus and colds each year too, there's no reason why Covid isn't the same and so no reason to panic. " This is why we get new flu vaccines each year. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure. "That's not what I meant,I mean...oh I don't have to explain point proven. | |||
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"Some people are always trying to ice-skate uphill (Blade) When people live in fear, they cry out for a leader for a first person to take charge Rule one of disaster capitalism, control the audience. to control the narrative. " Yes, the doctor on YouTube that tries to warp people's minds is a good example of this | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now" Who are "they"? Winston | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston " Who ever gave it that piss take name | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name " That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston | |||
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"Some people are always trying to ice-skate uphill (Blade) When people live in fear, they cry out for a leader for a first person to take charge Rule one of disaster capitalism, control the audience. to control the narrative. Yes, the doctor on YouTube that tries to warp people's minds is a good example of this " Fauci? | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston " I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to" Seriously? BS as in "bullshit"? I can't be the only one who realised that!    | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to" Fair enough... What is the "it" they're not trying to hide? Winston | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to Fair enough... What is the "it" they're not trying to hide? Winston " The pisstaking-ness | |||
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"Just seen the horrifying news, the new variant 'BS Strain' has just been released, it's available on every high Street now, It's easily spotted, it's appears as a green hazy mist, just like that NHS TV advert from last year!!! As reported on the MSM i assume. " | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to Fair enough... What is the "it" they're not trying to hide? Winston The pisstaking-ness" There's another strain of Covid. I'm not seeing the piss taking. Winston | |||
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"So something is really really more transmissible than something that was already really, really transmissible! So, that makes it really, really, really, really more transmissible than the first Covid, which was really very transmissible indeed! "Yes I believe we are now up to... 2 x 4 x 10 x 4 x 3 x even more transmissible than the thing that was very easily transmitted. We now have to stand 4km apart from eachother. And catch it by touching anything or breathing anything but pure canister o2. | |||
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"Everytime there's an increase in electrification on our planet there's been outbreaks of flu symptoms. They switched the antennas on in wuhan and at the games in 2019, almost immediately people came down with flu like symptoms, same in Italy, seattle new York and on the cruise liners. Emf radiation is harmless to biological life. " That's........."interesting" Winston | |||
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"'BS strain' Christ, theyre not even trying to hide it any more now Who are "they"? Winston Who ever gave it that piss take name That doesn't answer the question. Who are "they"? Winston I dont know the answer to that question. But whoever they/he/she/zwee are, thats who im referring to Fair enough... What is the "it" they're not trying to hide? Winston Anyone who doesn't know who "They" are needs to get with the program. The pisstaking-ness" | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. " If that's the case why do people get sick and recover, surely that is a constant exposure? Why isn't there a circle of death around every tower reducing in severity as you move away? It's not like people are living in Faraday cages. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ? "This  | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ?
This "Would people take the pill if it was a case of "you're probably still going to get pregnant but it slightly reduces the chance you won't"? I think people would seek alternatives. | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. If that's the case why do people get sick and recover, surely that is a constant exposure? Why isn't there a circle of death around every tower reducing in severity as you move away? It's not like people are living in Faraday cages. " Depends if a people took the contaminant... | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. If that's the case why do people get sick and recover, surely that is a constant exposure? Why isn't there a circle of death around every tower reducing in severity as you move away? It's not like people are living in Faraday cages. Depends if a people took the contaminant... " I presume you mean a covid vaccine. How would that work I mean the physics of it. Was any particular type of vaccination worse than others? | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. If that's the case why do people get sick and recover, surely that is a constant exposure? Why isn't there a circle of death around every tower reducing in severity as you move away? It's not like people are living in Faraday cages. Depends if a people took the contaminant... " Either EMF is harmful or it isn't? Which is it? How do you explain "flu symptoms" in the non contaminated? | |||
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"There's new variants of flus and colds each year too, there's no reason why Covid isn't the same and so no reason to panic. This is why we get new flu vaccines each year." What percentage of the UK population routinely gets the flu vaccine? We used to get vaccinated as a family over ten years ago when they mostly restricted who could get it We got it cos my youngest had been born premature and had damaged lungs. The vaccine was supposed to help him through the winters but he was still admitted to hospital at least once or twice every winter despite that. When we stopped getting the flu vaccine, his hospital admissions dropped. Odd that. | |||
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"There's new variants of flus and colds each year too, there's no reason why Covid isn't the same and so no reason to panic. This is why we get new flu vaccines each year. What percentage of the UK population routinely gets the flu vaccine? We used to get vaccinated as a family over ten years ago when they mostly restricted who could get it We got it cos my youngest had been born premature and had damaged lungs. The vaccine was supposed to help him through the winters but he was still admitted to hospital at least once or twice every winter despite that. When we stopped getting the flu vaccine, his hospital admissions dropped. Odd that. " About 75% uptake in over 65s | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. " People who've never been exposed to EMF radiation also get flu and flu like symptoms. How would you explain that? Winston | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. People who've never been exposed to EMF radiation also get flu and flu like symptoms. How would you explain that? Winston " Is there anyone who isn't exposed to some sort of EMF daily? It's gotta be rare? | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. People who've never been exposed to EMF radiation also get flu and flu like symptoms. How would you explain that? Winston Is there anyone who isn't exposed to some sort of EMF daily? It's gotta be rare?" Absolutely. Anyone anywhere near anything electrical will be exposed to EMF. Get in bed with the leccie blanket on, exposed. Turn on the telly, exposed. Sit in front of a PC, exposed. Walk past a streetlight, exposed. The idea that EMF is responsible for flu or flu like symptoms is nonsensical. The entire world would be suffering all the time. It's just daft. Winston | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid "I thought that was the Covid jabs... | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ? " | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ? "The pill is way more likely to cause clots than any Covid vaccine, but no one screams about that. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
I thought that was the Covid jabs..."You should try one | |||
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"My apologies, emf radiation is harmful not harmless to biological life. The new antennas pump out radio waves in ghz and can reach 300 ghz, us weapons use 60 ghz to break up crowds prolonged exposure to emf radiation with make you ill, dizzy and cause flu like symptoms. " Tell us you know nothing about science without telling us. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ?
The pill is way more likely to cause clots than any Covid vaccine, but no one screams about that."The pill is pretty effective at its designed job though. 9/10 vaxed people I know still got covid. If the pill was showing those numbers people would be weighing up the risk/reward of that too. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ?
The pill is way more likely to cause clots than any Covid vaccine, but no one screams about that.The pill is pretty effective at its designed job though. 9/10 vaxed people I know still got covid. If the pill was showing those numbers people would be weighing up the risk/reward of that too."Truly sterilising vaccines are very rare. There was *hope* that the Covid vaccines would be sterilising, and the initial data seemed to support that, but they were not tested for that. The job of the Covid vaccine is to reduce the odds of severe disease or death in the acute stage. Even wild type still does that into the descendants of Omicron (although how long that'll hold isn't clear). | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ?
The pill is way more likely to cause clots than any Covid vaccine, but no one screams about that.The pill is pretty effective at its designed job though. 9/10 vaxed people I know still got covid. If the pill was showing those numbers people would be weighing up the risk/reward of that too.
Truly sterilising vaccines are very rare. There was *hope* that the Covid vaccines would be sterilising, and the initial data seemed to support that, but they were not tested for that.
The job of the Covid vaccine is to reduce the odds of severe disease or death in the acute stage. Even wild type still does that into the descendants of Omicron (although how long that'll hold isn't clear)."Your average joe does not know this. They were fed the same story for months "get your jab, save granny", as much as people claim that was never the narrative it clearly was. As far as a growing majority are concerned the jabs don't work. Most of the people I know who are fit and healthy stopped at 2 or 3, mostly because they still got covid before and after the jabs with very little difference to outcome. The masses don't care about stats or how much of a percentage it reduces your risk. If they did people would have made a bigger effort to exercise, eat healthy and get a proper amount of sleep. | |||
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"Let's hope it's not as bad as the moronic variant. Yeah but unfortunately there's no vaccine for stupid
True, 5 billion jabbed and still hungry for more despite the heart attacks, bloodclots and sudden deaths. Go figure.
At least the numbers of people having issues after vaccines (which does happen) is a tiny minority compared with the millions that died due to Covid.
What about those idiots taking the contraceptive pill, HRT and all the other dangerous drugs out there. Aren't you going to warn them too ?
The pill is way more likely to cause clots than any Covid vaccine, but no one screams about that.The pill is pretty effective at its designed job though. 9/10 vaxed people I know still got covid. If the pill was showing those numbers people would be weighing up the risk/reward of that too.
Truly sterilising vaccines are very rare. There was *hope* that the Covid vaccines would be sterilising, and the initial data seemed to support that, but they were not tested for that.
The job of the Covid vaccine is to reduce the odds of severe disease or death in the acute stage. Even wild type still does that into the descendants of Omicron (although how long that'll hold isn't clear).Your average joe does not know this. They were fed the same story for months "get your jab, save granny", as much as people claim that was never the narrative it clearly was. As far as a growing majority are concerned the jabs don't work. Most of the people I know who are fit and healthy stopped at 2 or 3, mostly because they still got covid before and after the jabs with very little difference to outcome.
The masses don't care about stats or how much of a percentage it reduces your risk. If they did people would have made a bigger effort to exercise, eat healthy and get a proper amount of sleep. "The masses are wrong, as you yourself point out. But the issue has become so politically toxic that there's no easy path out of it. | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round" Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan. | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan." I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan.I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
I'm all for people making their own assessment of risk and acting accordingly. "That's fair enough. I think this is a particularly painful part of the process where we as a society become increasingly disillusioned with authority. I've gone in a different direction to you based on my own assessment. I hope I'm wrong about my assessment. | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan.I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
I'm all for people making their own assessment of risk and acting accordingly.
That's fair enough.
I think this is a particularly painful part of the process where we as a society become increasingly disillusioned with authority.
I've gone in a different direction to you based on my own assessment. I hope I'm wrong about my assessment."Unfortunately you likely aren't. The genie is out of the bottle now. With how fast it seems to mutate. I don't think it'll ever be under control unless they work on a newer vaccine that stops transmission more. Whether or not that vaccine would be widely taken goes back to the lack of trust convo, there's almost zero faith in our government here after the party scandals and America seems to be even more divided politically  | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan.I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
I'm all for people making their own assessment of risk and acting accordingly.
That's fair enough.
I think this is a particularly painful part of the process where we as a society become increasingly disillusioned with authority.
I've gone in a different direction to you based on my own assessment. I hope I'm wrong about my assessment.Unfortunately you likely aren't. The genie is out of the bottle now. With how fast it seems to mutate. I don't think it'll ever be under control unless they work on a newer vaccine that stops transmission more. Whether or not that vaccine would be widely taken goes back to the lack of trust convo, there's almost zero faith in our government here after the party scandals and America seems to be even more divided politically "My concern also extends to long term health problems from exposure. Wearing a mask or respirator gives me issues too. But I'll keep protecting myself. All I can do now. I'm holding out hope for a truly sterilising vaccine. Trials are being done | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan.I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
I'm all for people making their own assessment of risk and acting accordingly.
That's fair enough.
I think this is a particularly painful part of the process where we as a society become increasingly disillusioned with authority.
I've gone in a different direction to you based on my own assessment. I hope I'm wrong about my assessment.Unfortunately you likely aren't. The genie is out of the bottle now. With how fast it seems to mutate. I don't think it'll ever be under control unless they work on a newer vaccine that stops transmission more. Whether or not that vaccine would be widely taken goes back to the lack of trust convo, there's almost zero faith in our government here after the party scandals and America seems to be even more divided politically "The other option is for vaccines that produce immunity against the virua generically, including known and potential future mutations/variants. This doesn't alleviate any lack of trust in any government but could be an easier sell, especially if it was administered with vaccines for other pathogens. | |||
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"I'm in no way suggesting they are right, right or wrong has no bearing on it though if that's what people believe. There's a reason empowers of Rome appeased the mob as best they could. I agree it's a political nightmare, all because of lack of clarity. They tried to play on people sympathies to increase vaccine take up. The lack of truth from the offset has increased the misinformation and bullshit. The pandemic has been handled terribly all round Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust the authorities either at this stage. I've sought my own information from early on. I found scientists who critiqued the vaccine studies. (I looked up the details of the vaccine in the phase 3 trial before I agreed to be a part of it) I know it's not the done thing to think of "my side" as distrustful of the authorities, but I am. The people who trust authority are vaxxed and relaxed - little or no masking, life basically back to normal. I've suspended every activity in my life where I can't wear a respirator, and that's my long term plan.I come across as very anti vaccine sometimes on my posts but im far from it. I like to play devils advocate more than anything else. I got on board early for the vaccines. I'm asthmatic, had vulnerable family, I did little research. By what I had read it seemed to stop transmission, I didn't want to risk infecting someone vulnerable. I also masked up despite the anxiety it causes me. Social distancing wasn't an issue cause I'd been practicing that for a lifetime
I stopped at 2 jabs because I'd had covid twice, before and after and it wasn't anything I hadn't dealt with twice a year since I was a kid. I've had worse chest infections. I still try and keep my distance. I did ditch the mask as soon as I could though. It wasn't good for me.
I'm all for people making their own assessment of risk and acting accordingly.
That's fair enough.
I think this is a particularly painful part of the process where we as a society become increasingly disillusioned with authority.
I've gone in a different direction to you based on my own assessment. I hope I'm wrong about my assessment.Unfortunately you likely aren't. The genie is out of the bottle now. With how fast it seems to mutate. I don't think it'll ever be under control unless they work on a newer vaccine that stops transmission more. Whether or not that vaccine would be widely taken goes back to the lack of trust convo, there's almost zero faith in our government here after the party scandals and America seems to be even more divided politically
The other option is for vaccines that produce immunity against the virua generically, including known and potential future mutations/variants.
This doesn't alleviate any lack of trust in any government but could be an easier sell, especially if it was administered with vaccines for other pathogens. "Epochs of history as taught in the future: medieval, enlightenment, industrial revolution, modern, post modern, you do you/fuck around and find out | |||
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"There's new variants of flus and colds each year too, there's no reason why Covid isn't the same and so no reason to panic. " I really want you to be a qualified doctor or virologist...... | |||
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"Anyone noticed if people are starting to wear face masks again? Today I saw at least four people wearing masks in Sainsbury's. I know it's not many but it's four more than the last time I was in the store. They must be getting paranoid again x" Maybe people are starting to notice that a hell of a lot of them are getting ill again. And whether it's covid, or "just" flu, cold, rsv, smallpox, tuberculosis or whatever, maybe people are starting to feel that it isn't fun being ill for half their lives. And realised that while they were wearing masks they didn't get ill. And that really, given the choice between mildly uncomfortable wearing a mask on their public transport journeys and shopping outings, or being very uncomfortable 24/7 for a few weeks, the mask is actually not so bad... | |||
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"Anyone noticed if people are starting to wear face masks again? Today I saw at least four people wearing masks in Sainsbury's. I know it's not many but it's four more than the last time I was in the store. They must be getting paranoid again x Maybe people are starting to notice that a hell of a lot of them are getting ill again. And whether it's covid, or "just" flu, cold, rsv, smallpox, tuberculosis or whatever, maybe people are starting to feel that it isn't fun being ill for half their lives. And realised that while they were wearing masks they didn't get ill. And that really, given the choice between mildly uncomfortable wearing a mask on their public transport journeys and shopping outings, or being very uncomfortable 24/7 for a few weeks, the mask is actually not so bad... " I certainly don't mind wearing my mask again on the bus or in shops. Small price to pay for our health and the health of others x | |||
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" As far as a growing majority are concerned the jabs don't work. " If it was a majority of physicians and epidemiologists, then that might actually be important. | |||
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"Some people are always trying to ice-skate uphill (Blade) When people live in fear, they cry out for a leader for a first person to take charge Rule one of disaster capitalism, control the audience. to control the narrative. Yes, the doctor on YouTube that tries to warp people's minds is a good example of this " Yeah and that top g guy. | |||
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"Anyone noticed if people are starting to wear face masks again? Today I saw at least four people wearing masks in Sainsbury's. " There is a covid surge just now. I have it. It’s crap. I’ve had to go back to bed. For me this time it’s on a par with proper Flu. Severe head cold and draining fatigue. | |||
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"Anyone noticed if people are starting to wear face masks again? Today I saw at least four people wearing masks in Sainsbury's. There is a covid surge just now. I have it. It’s crap. I’ve had to go back to bed. For me this time it’s on a par with proper Flu. Severe head cold and draining fatigue. " I'm sorry to hear that. Take care and get well soon x | |||
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"I'm sorry to hear that. Take care and get well soon x" Thanks. Really bored of it now. | |||
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"Some people are always trying to ice-skate uphill (Blade) When people live in fear, they cry out for a leader for a first person to take charge Rule one of disaster capitalism, control the audience. to control the narrative. Yes, the doctor on YouTube that tries to warp people's minds is a good example of this Yeah and that top g guy. " I do view YouTube, but upcoming movie trailers or pop culture videos. I do not follow the doctors, but I do watch the news, remember the political sounds bites (news speak), then look on the forums for related threads to those sound bites and read the posts, try it and see for yourself or find an old thread and see for yourself. | |||
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" As far as a growing majority are concerned the jabs don't work. If it was a majority of physicians and epidemiologists, then that might actually be important. " Its not those you have to convince to take booster 7 or 8 though is it? | |||
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" As far as a growing majority are concerned the jabs don't work. If it was a majority of physicians and epidemiologists, then that might actually be important. " He’s right you know. We live in a bizarre post-factual world of spin, manipulation, and snake oil salesmen. On all sides. | |||
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"Just remember to wear your muzzles and take any injection the government tells you and you'll be safe." safe from “the kraken” - taking the jabs have got to be worth the risk; imagine the consequences of bumping into the kraken on the way home some night after 10 (because he only comes out after 10). | |||
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"Just seen the horrifying news, the new variant 'BS Strain' has just been released, it's available on every high Street now, It's easily spotted, it's appears as a green hazy mist, just like that NHS TV advert from last year!!! "yea how true and i hear for 49.99 you can get it in a limited edition doubble vax pac limeted to 49 billion ! | |||
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"Just remember to wear your muzzles and take any injection the government tells you and you'll be safe.safe from “the kraken” - taking the jabs have got to be worth the risk; imagine the consequences of bumping into the kraken on the way home some night after 10 (because he only comes out after 10)." | |||
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"Just remember to wear your muzzles and take any injection the government tells you and you'll be safe.safe from “the kraken” - taking the jabs have got to be worth the risk; imagine the consequences of bumping into the kraken on the way home some night after 10 (because he only comes out after 10)." Eh? | |||
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"Just remember to wear your muzzles and take any injection the government tells you and you'll be safe.safe from “the kraken” - taking the jabs have got to be worth the risk; imagine the consequences of bumping into the kraken on the way home some night after 10 (because he only comes out after 10). Eh?" I think it's supposed to be humour? | |||
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"Just remember to wear your muzzles and take any injection the government tells you and you'll be safe.safe from “the kraken” - taking the jabs have got to be worth the risk; imagine the consequences of bumping into the kraken on the way home some night after 10 (because he only comes out after 10). Eh? I think it's supposed to be humour? " I think it derives from the pub curfew the government put in. Yes, it was silly. It has nothing to do with anything now. I suppose we should also talk about the protective antiviral properties of cutlery or a Scotch egg ("substantial meal" or something like that)? Or we can recognise that governments make compromises in situations like that, which have no bearing on reality and how citizens navigate it. | |||
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