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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. " Indeed. | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. " Valid point but mark my wors, they will son be "ramping up..." The people will suffer especially those that have to go to work via tube/bus/etc and thse that work in larger retail outlets and nursing homes and hosptials | |||
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"If they don’t publish the numbers, it’s easier to pretend it’s gone away." Very true. Just like they have fingers in their ears re the mini budget did nor upset the financial markets. Thanks all. | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. Valid point but mark my wors, they will son be "ramping up..." The people will suffer especially those that have to go to work via tube/bus/etc and thse that work in larger retail outlets and nursing homes and hosptials" I don't think they care. | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. Valid point but mark my wors, they will son be "ramping up..." The people will suffer especially those that have to go to work via tube/bus/etc and thse that work in larger retail outlets and nursing homes and hosptials I don't think they care." But I think that the Truss government does care. They care that ordinary people have too much money, too much food, too many holidays, do not work enough hours, are free to change jobs, are allowed to strike, are given sick pay, are given weekends, get pensions, are allowed to retire before death, are allowed to vote, are allowed to travel. Truss views all these freedoms as being bad, as being a barrier to the already rich maximising profit. Those listening carefully to Truss's vision for "Freeport" areas will have heard that these areas are not just to be low tax regions. Truss wants these areas to include not just the port or industrial zone, but to include all land for a distance of 30 miles. And in these areas to effectively dilute all employment law, dilute civil law, dilute human rights - placing power of these into the hands of the "Freeport" owners. To privatise the very land on which the people live. To effectively give the people to the owners. To allow the owners to do anything they bloody well want with the workers. The ultimate libertarian wet dream. Obviously the people will have got their sovereignty back from the unelected officials of Europe. But only the billionaire people (most of whom are foreign anyway). The ordinary people will just be the belongings of the billionaires, so won't need any sovereignty anyway. So the Truss government does care. They care that there is anything whatsoever getting in the way of the extreme few (ie. themselves and their backers) holding power and making money. They care that things are too good for everyone else, who are not worthy to have anything. | |||
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"Why is this government shying awy from it? For me, I'd rather be fully updated re stats for covid and make an informed decision, EG, going to eat out, meeting others and hols/etc. Yes, there are those that say its a waste of time and or take no note but for me and my family, we do want to know. Just watch Covid and the flu take off and you will hear the old war cry, "we are ramping up..." BS. why "ramp up" when one could manage what is coming and often we get warnings from our EU friends of what is happening there FYI - we got our flue jabs and the covid booster a few days ago due to mdical reasons." it comparable to flu live you’re life how you did before all this scaremongering started | |||
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"Why is this government shying awy from it? For me, I'd rather be fully updated re stats for covid and make an informed decision, EG, going to eat out, meeting others and hols/etc. Yes, there are those that say its a waste of time and or take no note but for me and my family, we do want to know. Just watch Covid and the flu take off and you will hear the old war cry, "we are ramping up..." BS. why "ramp up" when one could manage what is coming and often we get warnings from our EU friends of what is happening there FYI - we got our flue jabs and the covid booster a few days ago due to mdical reasons. it comparable to flu live you’re life how you did before all this scaremongering started " 1. I've been vaccination against flu every year (sometimes multiple flu seasons) since I was 16. I'm also vaccinated against most other things as recommended 2. I've always been mindful, as much as I can, of people who are more vulnerable than me 3. I try to keep my germs to myself 4. I try to stay away from sick people Now I know more about protecting myself and others (masks, vaccinations, asymptomatic spread etc) I incorporate it into my life. | |||
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"What are u all worried about? You have all had your 4th or 5th jab so your golden, some of us have stopped after 3 others have not had any at all,as long as your jabbed why worry about it" I don't want to be part of the problem. As sterilising vaccines don't exist for Covid, I could spread it onto someone more vulnerable than me. (Sixth jab, actually) | |||
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"Why is this government shying awy from it? For me, I'd rather be fully updated re stats for covid and make an informed decision, EG, going to eat out, meeting others and hols/etc. Yes, there are those that say its a waste of time and or take no note but for me and my family, we do want to know. Just watch Covid and the flu take off and you will hear the old war cry, "we are ramping up..." BS. why "ramp up" when one could manage what is coming and often we get warnings from our EU friends of what is happening there FYI - we got our flue jabs and the covid booster a few days ago due to mdical reasons. it comparable to flu live you’re life how you did before all this scaremongering started " I used to regularly catch infectious diseases. Over the new year 2000 to 2001 I was very severely ill with influenza (proper flu, not "i want to throw a sickie at work" flu, or "I've sneezed a couple of times" flu, or man flu). Three months then to get better. I've had the flu jab every year since then, I really do not want to catch that shit again. Autumn 2017 I caught some different viral infection, not flu but whatever was the flavour of seasonal virus that year. That one developed into a secondary bacterial infection on my chest. Five months later I was more or less recovered, though I've never been able to properly take up again the running and other exercise I was doing until then. Four months before covid hit this country I attended an international arts _estival, which attracted people from all over the world. Three days later I was coughing my lungs out and very poorly. That superficially cleared by Christmas 2019, but again dropped my athletic ability to almost non-existence. During the early days of the covid crisis I learned a _lot_ about personal bio-security measures, about the things that I could do to protect myself and others from not just covid but from all the hundreds of other infectious diseases out there. My personal estimate is that this knowledge will allow me to extend my expected lifetime by at least ten years, to avoid illnesses that could easily kill me when I reach my seventies, and to remain strong and enjoying life (and yes, hopefully shagging younger women) well into my eighties. I don't see that I am currently missing out on life (recent family non-covid tragedies and grieving excluded), merely that I have adjusted my life in ways that I wish I had known about decades earlier. Avoiding my illnesses in 2000/2001, 2017 and 2019 might have allowed me to maintain my physical stamina for years longer, and possibly I would then be looking forward to lasting well into my nineties or even 100 (not impossible, all my grandparents reached late eighties, my mother was mid eighties until killed by an infectious disease, my father is nearly 91 but unlikely to reach that because of cancer that could well be the ultimate result of exposure to toxic materials doing building work during his 40's, before all this "health and safety nonsense" was a thing). If you prefer to have a shortened lifespan, losing all ability to enjoy life at a younger age, go right ahead. Me, I'm going to trade off the minor inconveniences of a few simple personal protective measures for the likelihood of an extra twenty years of active social life, active sex life, and generally having a good time. | |||
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"What are u all worried about? You have all had your 4th or 5th jab so your golden, some of us have stopped after 3 others have not had any at all,as long as your jabbed why worry about it I don't want to be part of the problem. As sterilising vaccines don't exist for Covid, I could spread it onto someone more vulnerable than me. (Sixth jab, actually)" six jabs in less than two shows how well they are working then | |||
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"What are u all worried about? You have all had your 4th or 5th jab so your golden, some of us have stopped after 3 others have not had any at all,as long as your jabbed why worry about it I don't want to be part of the problem. As sterilising vaccines don't exist for Covid, I could spread it onto someone more vulnerable than me. (Sixth jab, actually)six jabs in less than two shows how well they are working then " You may believe as you choose. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another person" have you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you | |||
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"What the gov says does go a long way, EG masks in enclosed spaces and as soon as the free for all was given most took them off. The gov does not care a lot. We are vaccinated but very mindful about talking with, meeting elderly and or vulnerable people as wearing a mask often protects the other person rather than you but I wore my mask as per rules and beyond When the mask restrictions we lifted, we got funy looks when wearing one in a supermarket and I thought you iditos as I'm protecting you. Hosptials were very good are enforcing mask wearing re those that could wear them. Mark my words its going to take off as soon as we get a week or so of really cold weather and then we will get the broken record messages from number 10.mask protect no one and yes infection rates will rise and fall it’s comparable to influenza " | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another person" but at some point you will catch and pass it on | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. Valid point but mark my wors, they will son be "ramping up..." The people will suffer especially those that have to go to work via tube/bus/etc and thse that work in larger retail outlets and nursing homes and hosptials I don't think they care. But I think that the Truss government does care. They care that ordinary people have too much money, too much food, too many holidays, do not work enough hours, are free to change jobs, are allowed to strike, are given sick pay, are given weekends, get pensions, are allowed to retire before death, are allowed to vote, are allowed to travel. Truss views all these freedoms as being bad, as being a barrier to the already rich maximising profit. Those listening carefully to Truss's vision for "Freeport" areas will have heard that these areas are not just to be low tax regions. Truss wants these areas to include not just the port or industrial zone, but to include all land for a distance of 30 miles. And in these areas to effectively dilute all employment law, dilute civil law, dilute human rights - placing power of these into the hands of the "Freeport" owners. To privatise the very land on which the people live. To effectively give the people to the owners. To allow the owners to do anything they bloody well want with the workers. The ultimate libertarian wet dream. Obviously the people will have got their sovereignty back from the unelected officials of Europe. But only the billionaire people (most of whom are foreign anyway). The ordinary people will just be the belongings of the billionaires, so won't need any sovereignty anyway. So the Truss government does care. They care that there is anything whatsoever getting in the way of the extreme few (ie. themselves and their backers) holding power and making money. They care that things are too good for everyone else, who are not worthy to have anything." 
It's scandalous that the people here are treated with such contempt and are being returned to the middle ages or earlier, in terms of being treated as savages, to be worked to death.
I digress from Covid. The message is to crack on with life, meaning that money making for the few is more important than investing in continued monitoring and public education.
It's great that some are having boosters offered but it will be the masses that have waning immunity who will share the infections around, including swamping hospitals, more than necessary. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personbut at some point you will catch and pass it on " It's still an admirable objective, to want to not be in a chain that will potentially cause the loss of life, or have lifelong consequences for others. The fewer people who infect others, the better | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you " Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. Valid point but mark my wors, they will son be "ramping up..." The people will suffer especially those that have to go to work via tube/bus/etc and thse that work in larger retail outlets and nursing homes and hosptials I don't think they care. But I think that the Truss government does care. They care that ordinary people have too much money, too much food, too many holidays, do not work enough hours, are free to change jobs, are allowed to strike, are given sick pay, are given weekends, get pensions, are allowed to retire before death, are allowed to vote, are allowed to travel. Truss views all these freedoms as being bad, as being a barrier to the already rich maximising profit. Those listening carefully to Truss's vision for "Freeport" areas will have heard that these areas are not just to be low tax regions. Truss wants these areas to include not just the port or industrial zone, but to include all land for a distance of 30 miles. And in these areas to effectively dilute all employment law, dilute civil law, dilute human rights - placing power of these into the hands of the "Freeport" owners. To privatise the very land on which the people live. To effectively give the people to the owners. To allow the owners to do anything they bloody well want with the workers. The ultimate libertarian wet dream. Obviously the people will have got their sovereignty back from the unelected officials of Europe. But only the billionaire people (most of whom are foreign anyway). The ordinary people will just be the belongings of the billionaires, so won't need any sovereignty anyway. So the Truss government does care. They care that there is anything whatsoever getting in the way of the extreme few (ie. themselves and their backers) holding power and making money. They care that things are too good for everyone else, who are not worthy to have anything." You will own nothing and be happy. The elite have already made this clear. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. " masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax " Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission. | |||
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"I got my booster last Saturday Sunday I was ill took a test on Monday Covid " are you saying that it didn't work? X | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission." they don’t though | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though " They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science." i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that | |||
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"I got my booster last Saturday Sunday I was ill took a test on Monday Covid " I hope you soon feel better but has it occurred to you that your symptoms could be a reaction to the jab & the test is just picking up on the spike protein you've just had injected into you ? | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that " Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. " Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax " Jong, et al "Fully vaccinated individuals had a shorter duration of viable viral shedding and a lower rate of secondary transmission than partially vaccinated or unvaccinated individuals." | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …." So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect." Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes." If masks are that effective why does over 50 years of scientific research state they are ineffective at infection control for respiratory viruses & why were never recommended in previous severe flu epidemics. Also why is it that when you compare similar countries/states etc with different mask policies there is no noticeable difference in infection rates ? | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes." lockdowns were not needed either they cost life’s lower life expectancy push people into poverty and don’t work anyway | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes.lockdowns were not needed either they cost life’s lower life expectancy push people into poverty and don’t work anyway " Going against the evidence again. I see a pattern here  .
The forum has had almost 3 years of detailed discussions with provision of evidence, refuting most, if not all your claims.
There's little point in such a rehash of so much, it gets tedious and doesn't help to install positive goodwill in Fab.
It's better if we are intent in retaining our viewpoints to just do this, without continuous exchanges, especially where all sides include some with inflexible perspectives.
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes. If masks are that effective why does over 50 years of scientific research state they are ineffective at infection control for respiratory viruses & why were never recommended in previous severe flu epidemics. Also why is it that when you compare similar countries/states etc with different mask policies there is no noticeable difference in infection rates ? " Erm 1918 Spanish flu mask wearing was advised and quaratines placed.... Guess what there were anti mask wearers calling them muzzles and quarantine protesters then as well  | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another personhave you never given anyone the flu or a cold before and mask make no difference and been jabbed only protects you Except that masks can prevent infections of others. Plus, vaccine-derived immunity can help to protect others, by making you less infectious. It wasn't the goal for the vaccines but a positive side-effect. masks don’t prevent infection of others and less infectious are you sure about that with the so called covid vax Masks don't prevent infections but they do reduce transmission to other and they provide some protection,although only minimal for most masks, for the wearer. And its been explained several times recently why vaccines lower transmission.they don’t though They do and it has been explained several times why they do. But of course you just don't do science.i do do science that’s why I know masks in non clinical settings don’t make a difference before covid 20 years of papers said that Exactly, if masks were effective against airborne respiratory viruses they would have been recommended in previous years when we had bad flu epidemics. Even early in covid the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam etc made it clear they were ineffective. Yeah so true. It’s not like flu cases went right down due to mask wearing over the winter of 2020. Oh, wait …. So masks virtually eliminated flu but didn't work for covid ? Or could it be that they didn't work for either & flu was rebranded Covid ? Look at the data from when England lifted mask mandates & Scotland/Wales kept them... nothing changed, they had no effect. Masks are effective against flu and covid,but covid is many many times more infectious. If the R number is high then mask won't have that much effect. Only things like lock downs hit the R number massively but all those things quite frankly are a pain in the ass compared to having to wear a mask sometimes.lockdowns were not needed either they cost life’s lower life expectancy push people into poverty and don’t work anyway Going against the evidence again. I see a pattern here .
The forum has had almost 3 years of detailed discussions with provision of evidence, refuting most, if not all your claims.
There's little point in such a rehash of so much, it gets tedious and doesn't help to install positive goodwill in Fab.
It's better if we are intent in retaining our viewpoints to just do this, without continuous exchanges, especially where all sides include some with inflexible perspectives.
Life is for living and not to bring forward a slow painful death via keyboards "lockdiwns make no difference there’s plenty of evidence for that twice when we went rates were dripping and the 3rd time they had dropped before lockdown had a a chance to make a difference . Lockdown don’t make a difference to death rates | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... " condoms are not like masks at all what a clueless comment | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... condoms are not like masks at all what a clueless comment " How? Don't wear a condom run the risk of an std/pregnancywear one it lowers.... don't wear a mask run the risk... oh wait | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... condoms are not like masks at all what a clueless comment " Irony. | |||
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"The government is not "shying away from it". They are, and have been for over a year, pushing the propaganda line that covid is completely gone due to their fine efforts. " I don't think that's the case because they still publish that's however I think the government as well as the public has learned to accept that covid will be part of our lives from now on. | |||
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"BTW - wearing a mask/vaccine is ones choice but with the info I have I'm all for vaccines and masks as is my family. I'd feel awful if I learnt that I'd passed on covid to another person" Fortunately if you spend any time with people you are almost certainly going to have passed something on to someone. It's the only way we can guarantee not to pass anything on to anybody else is to live in isolation which is not possible or practical. | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... " Yes, like a mask, a loose fitting porous condom is no use at all. | |||
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" Erm 1918 Spanish flu mask wearing was advised and quaratines placed.... Guess what there were anti mask wearers calling them muzzles and quarantine protesters then as well "Yes & it's widely accepted nowadays that the majority of the deaths then were caused by mask induced pneumonia not Spanish Flu. | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... Yes, like a mask, a loose fitting porous condom is no use at all. " a mask is useful though... | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... Yes, like a mask, a loose fitting porous condom is no use at all. a mask is useful though... " For what ? Certainly not for stopping virus particles 100 times smaller than the pores in the mask material. | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... Yes, like a mask, a loose fitting porous condom is no use at all. a mask is useful though... For what ? Certainly not for stopping virus particles 100 times smaller than the pores in the mask material. " which particles are we talking about here as even a cloth mask will reduce the the amount of water droplets that make it to the outside of the mask and since the virus is carried on these droplets it is effectively reducing the viral load that reaches beyond the inside of the mask | |||
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"mask and ppe are no different than condoms they make things safer not safe ... its simple science the more you protect your self the less likely youll get it also the lest you mingle with other the less likely you'll get it not alot in life is 100% .... Yes, like a mask, a loose fitting porous condom is no use at all. a mask is useful though... For what ? Certainly not for stopping virus particles 100 times smaller than the pores in the mask material. which particles are we talking about here as even a cloth mask will reduce the the amount of water droplets that make it to the outside of the mask and since the virus is carried on these droplets it is effectively reducing the viral load that reaches beyond the inside of the mask" True and the ones it doesn't stop it will slow them down so they are in the air for less time and travel less distance. | |||
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" Erm 1918 Spanish flu mask wearing was advised and quaratines placed.... Guess what there were anti mask wearers calling them muzzles and quarantine protesters then as well
Yes & it's widely accepted nowadays that the majority of the deaths then were caused by mask induced pneumonia not Spanish Flu. "It definitely wasn't | |||
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" Erm 1918 Spanish flu mask wearing was advised and quaratines placed.... Guess what there were anti mask wearers calling them muzzles and quarantine protesters then as well
Yes & it's widely accepted nowadays that the majority of the deaths then were caused by mask induced pneumonia not Spanish Flu. "No it's not, if you're talking about fauci's 2008 paper nowhere did it mention masks, it states very clearly they died of pneumonia after their lungs had been damaged by Spanish flu and made more susceptible and it was easier for the infection to take hold | |||
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Yes & it's widely accepted nowadays that the majority of the deaths then were caused by mask induced pneumonia not Spanish Flu. "No it really isn't. | |||
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