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"With hospital admissions and infections rising, perhaps burying our heads in the sand will finally stop it "We don't, and never did, obsess with flu or measles or any other viral infection. We just seem to obsess with this now, rather ineffectual virus. I agree with the OP. | |||
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"With hospital admissions and infections rising, perhaps burying our heads in the sand will finally stop it ". Unlikely, but neither will hiding behind the sofa for the rest of your life. | |||
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"Coming into the virus forum might not be advisable if you don't want to think about viruses. "
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"Turn off the news" I'll tell that to my daughter suffering from long covid issues that if only she hadn't watched the news she would have been okay.. Some people just won't get it till they are hit by it | |||
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"Tell your daughter to take moringa powder daily 3L of water daily and vitamins should start to feel better / see improvements after the first couple of days" Extra vitamins are not going fix long covid. | |||
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"Can't remember when I last saw anything about covid on the news." Not enough people dying from Covid, far better to show people dying in Ukraine. Good news very rarely makes news watchable, good news is generally only the little funny bit at the end of the programme. Have you ever noticed the news never shows anyone who is fairing ok. Increased costs of energy, never show someone saying they will try to makes savings by switching the lights off etc, in airports its always the whiners, never anyone saying, "bit of a wait but it didn't have any real impact on my holiday". No drama, no news. | |||
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"Can't remember when I last saw anything about covid on the news. Not enough people dying from Covid, far better to show people dying in Ukraine. Good news very rarely makes news watchable, good news is generally only the little funny bit at the end of the programme. Have you ever noticed the news never shows anyone who is fairing ok. Increased costs of energy, never show someone saying they will try to makes savings by switching the lights off etc, in airports its always the whiners, never anyone saying, "bit of a wait but it didn't have any real impact on my holiday". No drama, no news. " Great post | |||
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"With hospital admissions and infections rising, perhaps burying our heads in the sand will finally stop it
We don't, and never did, obsess with flu or measles or any other viral infection.
We just seem to obsess with this now, rather ineffectual virus.
I agree with the OP. "Do you think that maybe that's because they are controlled by vaccines?! Do you not realise that measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year. Do you think prior to 1963, everyone ignored it? | |||
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"Can't remember when I last saw anything about covid on the news. Not enough people dying from Covid, far better to show people dying in Ukraine. Good news very rarely makes news watchable, good news is generally only the little funny bit at the end of the programme. Have you ever noticed the news never shows anyone who is fairing ok. Increased costs of energy, never show someone saying they will try to makes savings by switching the lights off etc, in airports its always the whiners, never anyone saying, "bit of a wait but it didn't have any real impact on my holiday". No drama, no news. Great post "This . | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure " Cure for what exactly | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly " Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. | |||
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"Weird how a few days after the booster so many people are getting sick , you’d think after the 30th booster jab people would cotton on lol" people will just blindly keep taking the jabs no matter if they need them or not | |||
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"Weird how a few days after the booster so many people are getting sick , you’d think after the 30th booster jab people would cotton on lol people will just blindly keep taking the jabs no matter if they need them or not " That’s true blinkered by what they’re told, hospitals getting busy with the boosted , | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. " You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk | |||
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"Weird how a few days after the booster so many people are getting sick , you’d think after the 30th booster jab people would cotton on lol people will just blindly keep taking the jabs no matter if they need them or not That’s true blinkered by what they’re told, hospitals getting busy with the boosted , " Could you back that claim up with some linked facts please. Ta muchly. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk " what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk " but she will have always been at risk from respiratory viruses it just campaign fear about covid has made you think about it more | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will " No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk but she will have always been at risk from respiratory viruses it just campaign fear about covid has made you think about it more " You really don't understand do you?!? | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk but she will have always been at risk from respiratory viruses it just campaign fear about covid has made you think about it more You really don't understand do you?!? " I do understand | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were." number of deaths were not significant and were over recorded becuse of the way they were recorded | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were. number of deaths were not significant and were over recorded becuse of the way they were recorded " Wow really....I've never lost anyone I know to flu... into double figures for covid | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were. number of deaths were not significant and were over recorded becuse of the way they were recorded " You mean the "with covid" rather than "of covid"? | |||
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"Can't remember when I last saw anything about covid on the news." Thats because vlad putin had an instant cure for it. Called starting a war, and let covid fall in the bin of worthless news not to be mentioned again, now that theres an economic crisis aswell | |||
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"Can't remember when I last saw anything about covid on the news. Thats because vlad putin had an instant cure for it. Called starting a war, and let covid fall in the bin of worthless news not to be mentioned again, now that theres an economic crisis aswell" Think you need to sort your timeline out .. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were. number of deaths were not significant and were over recorded becuse of the way they were recorded Wow really....I've never lost anyone I know to flu... into double figures for covid " you must be the unluckiest person in the world becuse the vast majorty of people don’t know anyone who past away with covid and you also say you don’t know anyone who died from a respiratory virus and you work in care . You only actually know people who died of any cause within 28 days of a positive test | |||
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"With hospital admissions and infections rising, perhaps burying our heads in the sand will finally stop it
We don't, and never did, obsess with flu or measles or any other viral infection.
We just seem to obsess with this now, rather ineffectual virus.
I agree with the OP. "You're right of course, we don't fuss about flu or measles and you know why ? Most of the vulnerable people have been VACCINATED against flu and measles What's that other disease ? Foot in mouth or something lol | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were. number of deaths were not significant and were over recorded becuse of the way they were recorded Wow really....I've never lost anyone I know to flu... into double figures for covid you must be the unluckiest person in the world becuse the vast majorty of people don’t know anyone who past away with covid and you also say you don’t know anyone who died from a respiratory virus and you work in care . You only actually know people who died of any cause within 28 days of a positive test " I said I don't know anyone personally and also no sure where you get the idea that most people don't know anyone that passed from covid..perhaps your just lucky or don't have as large a social network as myself. If I counted work deaths it would have been higher although luckily most of our residents haven't got seriously ill thanks to the vaccines | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. " Firstly although covid is now that much more deadly than flu, thanks to vaccines and better treatment, it is much more infectious than flu. That is where the danger is if too many people get sick at the same time the hospitals get overwhelmed and the death sky rockets. Not defending what happened but that is partly what happened in the first wave. Regards to ventilation no one knew what to do back then and people very sick with respiratory are often ventilated. The highest number of cases occurred when we opened up. Our government gambled on opening up. They couldn't have done it without a vaccinated population and even then what they did was a massive punt driven but politics within their own party. Hand washing and social distancing slows down the spread of covid and other respiratory diseases so people don't all catch it at once. | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Firstly although covid is now that much more deadly than flu, thanks to vaccines and better treatment, it is much more infectious than flu. That is where the danger is if too many people get sick at the same time the hospitals get overwhelmed and the death sky rockets. Not defending what happened but that is partly what happened in the first wave. Regards to ventilation no one knew what to do back then and people very sick with respiratory are often ventilated. The highest number of cases occurred when we opened up. Our government gambled on opening up. They couldn't have done it without a vaccinated population and even then what they did was a massive punt driven but politics within their own party. Hand washing and social distancing slows down the spread of covid and other respiratory diseases so people don't all catch it at once." you’re wrong about cases rocketing when we opened up and the vast majorty of people who get covid need no medical intervention . The lockdown was the biggest con ever never have lockdowns been talked about in pre pandemic planning and what’s brought deaths and people been seriously I’ll with it is natural immunity in the community and it mutating to become less deadly | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. " Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? " studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer " Not seen any reports that lockdowns cost lives. Seen plenty that say the opposite. I agree lockdowns are a pain the ass and economically are bad but is simply not true that they cost lives. In the beginning we had nothing else but lockdowns to reduce covid deaths. Mask do make a difference to the speed of spread how much that varies. | |||
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"There is still a large number of people in this country who never got vaccinated especially younger people. Where is the crisis why aren't they dying? At some point you will realise you've been scammed. It's laughable to claim the vaccine worked given infection rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed were the same. What other vaccine in history has never stopped people getting the disease lol. " I assume you've been reading and listening to the news ? No ? The answers are there and related to mutations of the virus .... complicated stuff really. | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer Not seen any reports that lockdowns cost lives. Seen plenty that say the opposite. I agree lockdowns are a pain the ass and economically are bad but is simply not true that they cost lives. In the beginning we had nothing else but lockdowns to reduce covid deaths. Mask do make a difference to the speed of spread how much that varies." studies coming out all the time saying lockdowns didn’t work and what about excess people dying at home in lockdown and cancer not been diagnosed . Plenty of evidence lockdowns were pointless and mask no little to know differnce as Scotland wales showed us .you sound like you’re a givernment spokesman . You do realise a lot of experts are now saying lockdown was the wrong thing to do | |||
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"There is still a large number of people in this country who never got vaccinated especially younger people. Where is the crisis why aren't they dying? At some point you will realise you've been scammed. It's laughable to claim the vaccine worked given infection rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed were the same. What other vaccine in history has never stopped people getting the disease lol. I assume you've been reading and listening to the news ? No ? The answers are there and related to mutations of the virus .... complicated stuff really. " but it is true lockdowns costs lifes the evidence is there | |||
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"There is still a large number of people in this country who never got vaccinated especially younger people. Where is the crisis why aren't they dying? At some point you will realise you've been scammed. It's laughable to claim the vaccine worked given infection rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed were the same. What other vaccine in history has never stopped people getting the disease lol. I assume you've been reading and listening to the news ? No ? The answers are there and related to mutations of the virus .... complicated stuff really. but it is true lockdowns costs lifes the evidence is there " As say I have seen no evidence. Seen plenty to say they save lives. Yes there is the bounce in cancer diagnosis but less suicides murders, drug overdoses, work accidents, road accidents not to mention obvious a lot less covid deaths. Masks obviously slow the spread of respiratory diseases its just common sense when you consider flow spreads of Coughs and sneezes. I know rishi sunak regrets some of the lockdowns but that is for political and financial reasons not health or science reasons. | |||
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"There is still a large number of people in this country who never got vaccinated especially younger people. Where is the crisis why aren't they dying? At some point you will realise you've been scammed. It's laughable to claim the vaccine worked given infection rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed were the same. What other vaccine in history has never stopped people getting the disease lol. I assume you've been reading and listening to the news ? No ? The answers are there and related to mutations of the virus .... complicated stuff really. but it is true lockdowns costs lifes the evidence is there As say I have seen no evidence. Seen plenty to say they save lives. Yes there is the bounce in cancer diagnosis but less suicides murders, drug overdoses, work accidents, road accidents not to mention obvious a lot less covid deaths. Masks obviously slow the spread of respiratory diseases its just common sense when you consider flow spreads of Coughs and sneezes. I know rishi sunak regrets some of the lockdowns but that is for political and financial reasons not health or science reasons." Less suicides??? Iv lost more friends to suicide than to covid an i guarantee ill lose more due to the mental health explosion we are experiencing in this country at the minute an it'll get worse!! You havnt seen no evidence because your not looking and don't want too believe it was the wrong thing to do! | |||
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"It's easier to fool someone than try convince them they have been fooled..........anyone who still believes the narrative now this far on has been jabbed a few year ago.......and will continue to be jabbed no end regardless of how many boosteres are needed.......the jabbed will still take all boosteres offed regardless of whether they are needed or not.......this is a cult we are not in and this cult thing we will never understand because we are not in it.......you have to be init to believe in it to be part of it to be correct in your opinion to know you have done the right thing to join the cult.......to want to go get the next booster cos those in the cult will have that next booster regardless?" I believe you maybe correct. There is one cult for having a booster, another cult for not having the booster. There's one cult for going on holiday to the same place every year and another cult for trying somewhere new. There's one cult for staying healthy and looking after their bodies and another cult for letting themselves go. See a bit of a trend here, it's called choice and different opinions. Maybe you should applaud and cherish life's differences rather than be disdainful, that just makes you bitter and twisted. Give it a whirl. Next time you see a post you don't like or agree with, say something like "don't totally agree with the sentiments but happy for you to do what you think is best, good luck to you". It will make you a better man and maybe have more chance in ladies noticing you are a fair minded and aware of others feelings and likes, which may transfer to the bedroom. Just a thought. Be happy. | |||
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"EU + US injuries from the covid vaccines are 6+ million. With tens of thousands of deaths. All for a vaccine which admittedly doesn't even stop you getting the disease. Look up the 5 year survival rate for people with myocarditis. There are probably a whole generation of young people that will be dead in 5 years from this tragedy." Any actual evidence for this. And no a man in his underpants on YouTube doesn't count. | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? " the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed" Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%. | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%." you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%.you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next " Found the latest ONS figures the figures I gave in my previous post were broadly correct, no idea where you are getting the 91% figure from. You are not understanding statistics even if you figure was right then it still shows the vaccines are working. If I use stats like your i could say 99% of covid deaths 2020 were unvaccinated | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%.you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next Found the latest ONS figures the figures I gave in my previous post were broadly correct, no idea where you are getting the 91% figure from. You are not understanding statistics even if you figure was right then it still shows the vaccines are working. If I use stats like your i could say 99% of covid deaths 2020 were unvaccinated" no you couldn’t at all and the ins dosnt back up what you’re saying . The is obviously ineffective and how do you explain the how ammmout if deaths non covid in the 15 to 59 year old age groups . Covid and the vaccines has been the biggest con ever seen | |||
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"Sure, go to the NHS website and see that it lists myocarditis as a known side effect from the covid shots. Then google the 5 year survival rate. Hint, it's 50%. After 1 year 20% will die." So, are you saying any patient suffering from myocarditis has a 50% survival rate within 5 years. Is this in all age groups. Is this the same rate for myocarditis patients who have not been vaccinated. That would be fairly easy to ascertain using historical figures. Are patients already suffering this disease ok to have a jab or are you saying fit and healthy people who have the jab will develop this disease. Also, do you take into account other co-morbidities either for patients who have this disease or, according to you, have a high chance of developing post vaccine. | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? its simply not true what you are saying " Lol Well it's a fact on out ward on last nights shift ! I came off a night shift last night and 9 out of 10 on our ward were unvaccinated still ! 4 of them in their 40s..... | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%.you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next Found the latest ONS figures the figures I gave in my previous post were broadly correct, no idea where you are getting the 91% figure from. You are not understanding statistics even if you figure was right then it still shows the vaccines are working. If I use stats like your i could say 99% of covid deaths 2020 were unvaccinatedno you couldn’t at all and the ins dosnt back up what you’re saying . The is obviously ineffective and how do you explain the how ammmout if deaths non covid in the 15 to 59 year old age groups . Covid and the vaccines has been the biggest con ever seen " Are you saying all vaccines have been a con or, in your opinion, just the various Covid vaccines. Can I ask what you think the outcome of Covid virus had been if no vaccine was introduced. | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%.you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next Found the latest ONS figures the figures I gave in my previous post were broadly correct, no idea where you are getting the 91% figure from. You are not understanding statistics even if you figure was right then it still shows the vaccines are working. If I use stats like your i could say 99% of covid deaths 2020 were unvaccinatedno you couldn’t at all and the ins dosnt back up what you’re saying . The is obviously ineffective and how do you explain the how ammmout if deaths non covid in the 15 to 59 year old age groups . Covid and the vaccines has been the biggest con ever seen Are you saying all vaccines have been a con or, in your opinion, just the various Covid vaccines. Can I ask what you think the outcome of Covid virus had been if no vaccine was introduced.if covid vaccines had not been introduced the outcome would not have been much different it’s natural immunity in the community and it mutating to become less deadly . Covid was overblown from the start the majority of the restrictions were never discussed in pre pandemic planning and the vaccine has been over sold on how effective it is " | |||
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"Turn off the news" I tried it. The war in Ukraine is over. I'm sure you'll get a medal. | |||
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"Turn off the news" and don’t take the dodgy PCR or LFL tests and the scamdemic ends instantly | |||
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"Turn off the newsand don’t take the dodgy PCR or LFL tests and the scamdemic ends instantly " I just use the none dodgy ones... and I do wish it had been a scam. As I'd not have lost people I care about then..... | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk " | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were." | |||
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"With hospital admissions and infections rising, perhaps burying our heads in the sand will finally stop it
We don't, and never did, obsess with flu or measles or any other viral infection.
We just seem to obsess with this now, rather ineffectual virus.
I agree with the OP.
You're right of course, we don't fuss about flu or measles and you know why ?
Most of the vulnerable people have been VACCINATED against flu and measles
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"I LOVE these type of threads... Basically a list of people who I can block for their idiotic ideas,,,, All just here in one place "yes because you would want to hear a different point of view about it . After the last two years you still can believe all the tripe the government peddles about covid | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were." the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested | |||
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"Turn off the newsand don’t take the dodgy PCR or LFL tests and the scamdemic ends instantly I just use the none dodgy ones... and I do wish it had been a scam. As I'd not have lost people I care about then..... the pandemic is over if there ever was one " | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested " True, but the most important thing was consistency in methodology, so that trends could be tracked successfully, identifying peaks etc | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested " and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic "  | |||
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"Unfortunately our ward has again had an awful week with Covid patients. 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated to see so much illness caused by ignorance and false Internet theories is heartbreaking ?? the figures don’t back up what your saying as 91 % of covid deaths in 2022 are triple vaxed Can't find anything like the figures you are talking about. Last figures I saw it was 60% vaccinated, not triple vaccinated had at least one vaccine and 40% unvaccinated. When you consider less than 6% of the population over 12 haven't had any vaccination at all and if you consider than the vulnerable portion of the population vaccine take up is virtually 100%. All things being equal you expect the % of covid deaths of unvaccinated people to be around 1 or 2%.you always say I can’t find the figures when they easily accessible and the quote about 9 out of 10 unvaxed dying of covid is a ridiculous statement . Let’s face it all the evidence suggests vaxed or unvaxed makes no difference . People on their 5th jab in 2 years and they still think it’s effective . People will be wanting restrictions back next Found the latest ONS figures the figures I gave in my previous post were broadly correct, no idea where you are getting the 91% figure from. You are not understanding statistics even if you figure was right then it still shows the vaccines are working. If I use stats like your i could say 99% of covid deaths 2020 were unvaccinatedno you couldn’t at all and the ins dosnt back up what you’re saying . The is obviously ineffective and how do you explain the how ammmout if deaths non covid in the 15 to 59 year old age groups . Covid and the vaccines has been the biggest con ever seen Are you saying all vaccines have been a con or, in your opinion, just the various Covid vaccines. Can I ask what you think the outcome of Covid virus had been if no vaccine was introduced.if covid vaccines had not been introduced the outcome would not have been much different it’s natural immunity in the community and it mutating to become less deadly . Covid was overblown from the start the majority of the restrictions were never discussed in pre pandemic planning and the vaccine has been over sold on how effective it is " Couldn't disagree with you more. Worked front line right through and it's been the most challenging time in all my career. Stay healthy. Thanks so much for your response. | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer " What studies? You’re talking bollocks. | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer What studies? You’re talking bollocks. " The studies ignoramus's don't read they were all in the papers lockdown saved an estimated 0.2% But destroyed an economy, sent a nations mental health plummeting, lead to thousands of cancer patients, stroke victims, heart attack victims dying face nappies didn't do shit and never have proven by a Denmark study | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic " My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. " there’s excess deaths now non covid and no one seems bothered and in covid no one mentioned the excess people dying at home | |||
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"My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. ...How come he wasn't given the 2WW appointment for anyone suspected of having cancer?" that was what I thought. My middle daughter had a mole that she was worried about, she went from first call.. to having it removed in 5 weeks and that was in the middle of covid restrictions.. sad that your uncle didn't get that. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. there’s excess deaths now non covid and no one seems bothered and in covid no one mentioned the excess people dying at home " You mean the excess deaths over the summer that were as a result of the heatwave? | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. there’s excess deaths now non covid and no one seems bothered and in covid no one mentioned the excess people dying at home You mean the excess deaths over the summer that were as a result of the heatwave?" no proof they were becuse of the heat wave and if that was so you’d expect the older age groups to be effected try having a look at the age groups effected and it’s not just here it’s happening | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. there’s excess deaths now non covid and no one seems bothered and in covid no one mentioned the excess people dying at home You mean the excess deaths over the summer that were as a result of the heatwave? no proof they were becuse of the heat wave and if that was so you’d expect the older age groups to be effected try having a look at the age groups effected and it’s not just here it’s happening " Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk what they are saying is covid was over hyped as been more deadly than it was and was never anywhere near been the deadliest thing around and people still die from influenza and the common cold and always will No. The mortality rate from covid was fairly accurate. The R0 (transmission rate) was significantly higher than flu or common cold and this increased for each variant. The result is a highly infectious disease that killed and therefore numbers of dead were predicted to be significant...and they were.the mortality was not accurate for a number of reasons like the way covid deaths were recorded and the way rules changes in recording deaths and at tge beggining covid was mentioned on the death certificate of people who’d never been tested and add to that the PCR scamdemic and you soon see what a complete hoax it is; the scamdemic did harm all right ; created a backlog of cases that are in need of medical help because of the ‘covid only’ policy ; and it has destroyed the economy with mad policies like paying perfectly healthy people to stay at home and not go to work. The damage is done now and the economy is ruined because of the scamdemic My uncle just died of cancer which could have been stopped but was missed because he was told his case wasn't important because it wasn't covid related. He had minor skin cancer and it spread to his brain and tissues and he died in agony. All because of 2 years of bullshit about Covid. NHS murdered him. Hes another one they killed. there’s excess deaths now non covid and no one seems bothered and in covid no one mentioned the excess people dying at home You mean the excess deaths over the summer that were as a result of the heatwave? no proof they were becuse of the heat wave and if that was so you’d expect the older age groups to be effected try having a look at the age groups effected and it’s not just here it’s happening Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact." but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat " "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection. | |||
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"I can’t be the only one who has thought this: we seem to be locked in a never-ending, stupid debate about vaccine?no vaccine. Covid good?covid bad. To me it all seems like a stupid, false binary. Forget about the vaccines. I mean if you are severely infected with covid and you have not been vaccinated, would you refuse even the anti-viral p i l l s that are now on offer? Even if you had to be intubated with oxygen? " Well, the new variants now have substantial antiviral resistance, so *shrug* | |||
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"I can’t be the only one who has thought this: we seem to be locked in a never-ending, stupid debate about vaccine?no vaccine. Covid good?covid bad. To me it all seems like a stupid, false binary. Forget about the vaccines. I mean if you are severely infected with covid and you have not been vaccinated, would you refuse even the anti-viral p i l l s that are now on offer? Even if you had to be intubated with oxygen? Well, the new variants now have substantial antiviral resistance, so *shrug*" Quite possibly, I haven’t been following to be honest; but say, I am a lab technician and I can clearly see covid under the super mega powerful microscope and it’s clearly a different shape and size to the flu and different to the common cold virus and I take photos of the microscope and show them. What more does it take to make people realise that it’s not the same as flu or the common cold? It’s an entirely different pathogen that has fucked us up and we have to find “a” bloody way to make it go away or at least make it weak enough so that we can get on with our lives?? | |||
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"I can’t be the only one who has thought this: we seem to be locked in a never-ending, stupid debate about vaccine?no vaccine. Covid good?covid bad. To me it all seems like a stupid, false binary. Forget about the vaccines. I mean if you are severely infected with covid and you have not been vaccinated, would you refuse even the anti-viral p i l l s that are now on offer? Even if you had to be intubated with oxygen? Well, the new variants now have substantial antiviral resistance, so *shrug* Quite possibly, I haven’t been following to be honest; but say, I am a lab technician and I can clearly see covid under the super mega powerful microscope and it’s clearly a different shape and size to the flu and different to the common cold virus and I take photos of the microscope and show them. What more does it take to make people realise that it’s not the same as flu or the common cold? It’s an entirely different pathogen that has fucked us up and we have to find “a” bloody way to make it go away or at least make it weak enough so that we can get on with our lives??" To me the cold and flu stuff is just lazy meaningless rhetoric. It's not meant to have any relationship to reality. I'm much more interested in solutions. If not for anyone else, then myself. At the moment all I can do is FFP3. So I do. | |||
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"I can’t be the only one who has thought this: we seem to be locked in a never-ending, stupid debate about vaccine?no vaccine. Covid good?covid bad. To me it all seems like a stupid, false binary. Forget about the vaccines. I mean if you are severely infected with covid and you have not been vaccinated, would you refuse even the anti-viral p i l l s that are now on offer? Even if you had to be intubated with oxygen? Well, the new variants now have substantial antiviral resistance, so *shrug* Quite possibly, I haven’t been following to be honest; but say, I am a lab technician and I can clearly see covid under the super mega powerful microscope and it’s clearly a different shape and size to the flu and different to the common cold virus and I take photos of the microscope and show them. What more does it take to make people realise that it’s not the same as flu or the common cold? It’s an entirely different pathogen that has fucked us up and we have to find “a” bloody way to make it go away or at least make it weak enough so that we can get on with our lives?? To me the cold and flu stuff is just lazy meaningless rhetoric. It's not meant to have any relationship to reality. I'm much more interested in solutions. If not for anyone else, then myself. At the moment all I can do is FFP3. So I do." Have you been left with any remnants of it? Like fatigue etc? I remember you had it in the early stages of the pandemic. Even though my symptoms were like a mild cold I could sense through my body’s reactions that it wasn’t a common cold. E.g, I had no massively runny nose and eyes but my taste and smell were almost gone for a couple of days. With a common cold I would never entirely lose taste or smell but I would suffer from runny nose and eyes for at least 2 days. | |||
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"I can’t be the only one who has thought this: we seem to be locked in a never-ending, stupid debate about vaccine?no vaccine. Covid good?covid bad. To me it all seems like a stupid, false binary. Forget about the vaccines. I mean if you are severely infected with covid and you have not been vaccinated, would you refuse even the anti-viral p i l l s that are now on offer? Even if you had to be intubated with oxygen? Well, the new variants now have substantial antiviral resistance, so *shrug* Quite possibly, I haven’t been following to be honest; but say, I am a lab technician and I can clearly see covid under the super mega powerful microscope and it’s clearly a different shape and size to the flu and different to the common cold virus and I take photos of the microscope and show them. What more does it take to make people realise that it’s not the same as flu or the common cold? It’s an entirely different pathogen that has fucked us up and we have to find “a” bloody way to make it go away or at least make it weak enough so that we can get on with our lives?? To me the cold and flu stuff is just lazy meaningless rhetoric. It's not meant to have any relationship to reality. I'm much more interested in solutions. If not for anyone else, then myself. At the moment all I can do is FFP3. So I do. Have you been left with any remnants of it? Like fatigue etc? I remember you had it in the early stages of the pandemic. Even though my symptoms were like a mild cold I could sense through my body’s reactions that it wasn’t a common cold. E.g, I had no massively runny nose and eyes but my taste and smell were almost gone for a couple of days. With a common cold I would never entirely lose taste or smell but I would suffer from runny nose and eyes for at least 2 days. " Oddly I had a negative antibody test between my illness and my first vaccination - so maybe I didn't have it? Whatever I did have, it took months to return to normal, but I'm completely back to normal now, whatever it was. The symptom set definitely is very different to a regular cold - and the blood results some have had afterwards are potentially quite concerning. | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous " | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous " How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible... | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible..." remotely possible and very unlikely that these above average deaths now are caused by covid and the 28 day thing is a different thing altogether | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible...remotely possible and very unlikely that these above average deaths now are caused by covid and the 28 day thing is a different thing altogether " Given covid has been so prevalent for nearly 3 years and it's known to cause long term cardiovascular problems, how on earth can't you accept the fact that there are people walking around now who are way more at risk of dying from cardiovascular related conditions than they would otherwise have been. You don't do Science. You don't do Maths. | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible...remotely possible and very unlikely that these above average deaths now are caused by covid and the 28 day thing is a different thing altogether Given covid has been so prevalent for nearly 3 years and it's known to cause long term cardiovascular problems, how on earth can't you accept the fact that there are people walking around now who are way more at risk of dying from cardiovascular related conditions than they would otherwise have been. You don't do Science. You don't do Maths." there is no proof at all these higher death rate is anything to do with covid and if there were links they’d be shouting it from the rooftops the way covid narratives been overblown and I’ve never blamed the so called vax or lockdown but as the media are reluctant to talk about it maybe the vax and the ridiculous lockdowns might have something to do with it | |||
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible...remotely possible and very unlikely that these above average deaths now are caused by covid and the 28 day thing is a different thing altogether Given covid has been so prevalent for nearly 3 years and it's known to cause long term cardiovascular problems, how on earth can't you accept the fact that there are people walking around now who are way more at risk of dying from cardiovascular related conditions than they would otherwise have been. You don't do Science. You don't do Maths.there is no proof at all these higher death rate is anything to do with covid and if there were links they’d be shouting it from the rooftops the way covid narratives been overblown and I’ve never blamed the so called vax or lockdown but as the media are reluctant to talk about it maybe the vax and the ridiculous lockdowns might have something to do with it " https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00349-2/fulltext There makes an interesting read ... definitely showa that the risks after having covid of developing a heart problem is an issue..... and I agree the lockdowns were ridiculous as they were very wishy washy. What we should have had was strict ones like in Australia and closed our borders etc properly. | |||
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"I think at this point we're well into fuck around and find out. What will be, will be. If we're vaccinated and it's all genocidal doom, it's too late. Those who aren't vaccinated will find out if there are harms to that. Those who continue to mitigate will find out if we're trashing our immune systems by not getting sick. I'll fuck around my way, you fuck around yours. We'll find out."
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" Heatwaves cause deaths. No proof required for that fact.but these excess deaths are not been caused by the heatwave and we only really had 2 weeks of excess heat and we had excess deaths before the excess heat "From 17 to 20 July, when temperatures were at their highest, there were an estimated 1,012 excess deaths in those aged over 65." "The heat-period in the summer of 2022 with the highest excess mortality overall was from 8 to 17 August, which saw an estimated 1,458 excess deaths (excluding COVID-19) in those over the age of 65." Regardless, the excess deaths are primarily heart and circulation related. Studies have shown that after covid, cardiovascular risks are elevated for months after infection. So, it's plausible that the excess deaths can be attributed to those who have had their body damaged by infection.what about death in other younger age groups and to blame non covid deaths on covid is ridiculous How on earth is blaming non-covid deaths (by the 28 day definition) on prior covid infection ridiculous? If I dropped down dead tomorrow for no obvious reason I have no doubt that someone like you would claim it's because I am triple jabbed... When science is showing that many people post covid of ALL ages can suffer from cardiovascular issues it really isn't surprising that these increase the risk of death weeks / months after infection. Of course, you probably don't do science...so deny that this is remotely possible...remotely possible and very unlikely that these above average deaths now are caused by covid and the 28 day thing is a different thing altogether Given covid has been so prevalent for nearly 3 years and it's known to cause long term cardiovascular problems, how on earth can't you accept the fact that there are people walking around now who are way more at risk of dying from cardiovascular related conditions than they would otherwise have been. You don't do Science. You don't do Maths.there is no proof at all these higher death rate is anything to do with covid and if there were links they’d be shouting it from the rooftops the way covid narratives been overblown and I’ve never blamed the so called vax or lockdown but as the media are reluctant to talk about it maybe the vax and the ridiculous lockdowns might have something to do with it " "shouting it from the rooftops".... oh dear...as I said, you don't do science. | |||
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"Set the BBC, sky news, channel 4 etc all to block. Instant cure Cure for what exactly Cure for the made up msm bullshit and manipulation. You mean if we bury our heads covid won't exist??? If only those that died knew all they had to do was just stop believing.. I can't believe that after over two years some people are so dense as to think its made up. .. Luckily for all, the majority of people took the vaccines. I wish I could be just not worry about it.. but the reality is although the vaccine offers less symptoms and less chance of being seriously ill. My disabled vulnerable daughter is still at risk " My God the ignorance among the vaccinated is what’s unbelievable !!! Go and do some research, it’s all there to be seen in the ONS. When you mention “all those that died” they represent a tiny pond in a humongous Ocean COVID 19 has a death rate (allegedly due to the reporting of death as such) of 0.007% of the WORLD population, granted that is a big number when it’s 0.007% of 7.9 Billion people. If Boris, Whitty and Hancock had started telling you from the start that 0.0000064% of our country has tested positive today and 0.000000003% had died instead of 764 infections and 112 deaths would anybody have taken it quite so seriously ? No, I doubt they would. There are 2 ways the figures can be reported Representative Risk, and Absolute Risk, both are obtained by using the same equation with the result being interpreted in 2 ways. One way gives you a result that looks quite bad, whereas the other not so bad. You’ve all seen this method whenever you’ve been quoted an APR, remember this, you now only see the representative APR advertised, correct? The MHRA many years ago decided that there was only 1 way that these types of figures should be reported and that is with ABSOLUTE RISK. Representative risk was deemed to be unethical as in all cases it gave the impression that the situation was far worse that it ABSOLUTELY was. The reporting of COVID figures in the daily bulletins were REPRESENTATIVE RISK ! That was for the sole intention to Instill fear and drive vaccination rates. 1% of the population will naturally die each year, that has been the accepted rate for many many years. What you don’t do is “vaccinate” an entire WORLD population because 0.007% will have a bad outcome, no one would buy it. What you do is tell them it’s 5.5M simple. Another analogy may be the lottery, with the same odds you have more chance of winning it than dying from COVID. I’m sure you’ll point out that generally only 1 wins the lottery, or it’s a rollover, but then again 90% of 67M people don’t buy a ticket twice a week. 90% have been jabbed up to 4 times now and guess what the numbers are on the rise again. How does that work then? I’m unjabbed, extremely vulnerable and in fact replying to this post from my bed in the Oncology Ward in the Churchill Hospital and it will not be COVID that finally kills me because the odds are simply far too small. For gods sake get just on with your lives. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. " Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc." yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one | |||
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"Covid was a scam, it had the same mortality as flu with the exception of the first wave where your chance of dying was 10x that of the 2nd wave (still pre vaccine). No one likes to mention the first wave or discuss how so many people died but the answer is government policy. Tens of thousands of elderly were forced out of hospitals into care homes to make space in hospitals. Care homes are not hospitals and as a result a large number of elderly died. The other thing that killed so many people was ventilators. Health care agencies threw out decades of knowledge and experience about how to treat respiratory infections and patients were forced onto vents because they were told it was too dangerous to let them breathe normally because it would spread the infection. We know it was the ventilators that were killing patients because the media widely reported the death rate declined after doctors started rejecting the use of vents. Project fear really drove rational people insane. According to the old narrative without masks and social distancing we should probably all be dead by now. Only the opposite has happened. Since all restrictions have lifted cases have only declined. Can you please provide the source of that narrative? Masks were introduced because the were effective at REDUCING the spread. No claim was ever made that they STOPPED it. One major difference between covid and flu is the rate of transmission. If you have any understanding of exponential growth you would understand how this becomes a problem. Lockdowns and social distancing reduce transmission which helped the above. Had covid turned out to be a bigger killer (even double the death rate would still be considered relatively small by you) but no precautions had been take, where do you think we would be now? studys show lockdowns are pointless and cost more life’s than they save masks in non clinical setting make hardly any difference and all these ridiculous restrictions did was drag it out longer Not seen any reports that lockdowns cost lives. Seen plenty that say the opposite. I agree lockdowns are a pain the ass and economically are bad but is simply not true that they cost lives. In the beginning we had nothing else but lockdowns to reduce covid deaths. Mask do make a difference to the speed of spread how much that varies." we had above average deaths at home during lockdowns and plenty of reports about lockdowns costing life’s and study’s saying they were pointless | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one " see this is where I get a bit meh about it. It's personal choice but misinformation about masks not making a difference is wrong. They do... I did on one thread cite a study that actually cited about 15 other studies...which all showed how masks help prevent the spread... .they don't only prevent the spread of covid either but colds... flu etc.... It's not the wearing or not wearing or the taking or not taking of the vaccines etc I have issue with... its the blatant spread of horse shit reasons why its pointless or worse | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one " I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one see this is where I get a bit meh about it. It's personal choice but misinformation about masks not making a difference is wrong. They do... I did on one thread cite a study that actually cited about 15 other studies...which all showed how masks help prevent the spread... .they don't only prevent the spread of covid either but colds... flu etc.... It's not the wearing or not wearing or the taking or not taking of the vaccines etc I have issue with... its the blatant spread of horse shit reasons why its pointless or worse " At the moment, given that pretty much no one is wearing a mask, it's pretty low on my priorities of utter horse shit. lol. I'll just accept a pimple or two in exchange for not getting sick. others can do as they please. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. " but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you " You're welcome to believe as you choose. I didn't say they do. I said I don't hold their beliefs in regard. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you " It definitely not a fact. | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact." but it is | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact.but it is Once again, you don't do science... I actually do understand science.it is what I do for a living and have a degree masters and PhD in it. You really don't know what you are talking about." I don't think Steve was talking to you. Formatting error in the reply | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact.but it is Masks don't STOP spread but they do REDUCE spread. There you go...2 FACTS in one sentence...they don’t reduce it that’s why Scotland and wales had higher infection rates than England when they had a mask mandate and England didn’t and states in the USA proved that too " | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact.but it is Masks don't STOP spread but they do REDUCE spread. There you go...2 FACTS in one sentence...they don’t reduce it that’s why Scotland and wales had higher infection rates than England when they had a mask mandate and England didn’t and states in the USA proved that too " They do help stop spread when worn properly... the key being worn properly. Its very basic science that if you have something that stops droplets being exhaled into the air that it helps prevent spread. There have been some pretty big studies undertaken recently and all showed that masks reduced the spread | |||
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"Regardless, this is what's coming unless people unite rather than allow themselves to be divided. Google Johnny's cash and the smart money nightmare. But it's a conspiracy, obviously
I'll unite with people with whom I have a shared set of values and facts.
Uniting for the sake of uniting means diluting values and knowledge. No thank you."On the topic suggested above, I would presume that most people share the same opinion - that everyone wants to be able to choose how they spend their hard earned cash rather than how the government chooses or directs you to .
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I'll unite with people with whom I have a shared set of values and facts.
Uniting for the sake of uniting means diluting values and knowledge. No thank you.
On the topic suggested above, I would presume that most people share the same opinion - that everyone wants to be able to choose how they spend their hard earned cash rather than how the government chooses or directs you to .
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact.but it is Masks don't STOP spread but they do REDUCE spread. There you go...2 FACTS in one sentence...they don’t reduce it that’s why Scotland and wales had higher infection rates than England when they had a mask mandate and England didn’t and states in the USA proved that too " That is hilarious. Are you suggesting that the make infections worse?? There are plenty of reasons why Scotland and England have different peaks and troughs. School holidays being a major one. Also, we know that people mix more indoors when it's colder. Guess what...Scotland is colder than England. You clearly pull your facts from conspiracy sites. You don't know what you are going on about and clearly can't hold an argument on your own. You simply don't do science.. | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts " You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring. | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring." Correct, even putting a hand over your mouth helps ! | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring. Correct, even putting a hand over your mouth helps !" which is why you were always taught as a child to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring. Correct, even putting a hand over your mouth helps ! which is why you were always taught as a child to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze " covering you’re mouth is different from wearing a mask and masks do little to nothing at stopping virus . Even in operating theatres masks are not to stop virus but bacteria as the mitigate virus spread with other things like how fast the airs pumped through etc . | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring." masks don’t stop the spread as has been proven by places that had mask mandates compared to places that don’t | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring.masks don’t stop the spread as has been proven by places that had mask mandates compared to places that don’t " sorry but your very very wrong. I feel sorry for you | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring. Correct, even putting a hand over your mouth helps ! which is why you were always taught as a child to cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze covering you’re mouth is different from wearing a mask and masks do little to nothing at stopping virus . Even in operating theatres masks are not to stop virus but bacteria as the mitigate virus spread with other things like how fast the airs pumped through etc . " Just because masks in the operating theatre might be there stop bacteria doesn't mean they won't reduce the spread of viruses! | |||
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" For gods sake get just on with your lives. Who, at this stage, is not getting on with our lives? If you mean stop talking about Covid, no thank you, I'll talk about what I like, particularly in a section of an internet forum dedicated to the topic. If you mean stop mitigating against Covid, no thank you, I'll do what I like. If you mean mitigating like I'd mitigate for the flu - I've now found out that masks reduce the incidence of flu and am pleased to incorporate them into my life so I can be mindful of the health of others. If you mean stop testing, no thank you. If you mean stop getting vaccinated, no thank you. If you mean that me talking about Covid means the rest of my life has no meaning, then OK, you're allowed to think what you like. Personal choice, etc.yes personal choice so respect people who don’t get vaxed and carry on how they did before and masks make little to no difference against virus in non clinical settings and the only reason they make a difference in a clinical settings is because of other procedures put in place . But if you’re want to wear one that you’re choice but don’t make other people wear one I don't and have never had any power to make anyone wear a mask. Respect has two meanings. Accepting that someone has a right to exist and do things, and holding in high regard. I accept that people who are unvaccinated exist, and I accept that there are people who don't mask and don't believe that masks work. I also accept that people exist who believe the world is flat, and I have the same level of regard for such beliefs as I do for flat earthers. We'll see how it all pans out in five years or so. but it’s fact masks don’t reduce the spread and how are unvaccinated people effecting you It definitely not a fact.but it is Masks don't STOP spread but they do REDUCE spread. There you go...2 FACTS in one sentence...they don’t reduce it that’s why Scotland and wales had higher infection rates than England when they had a mask mandate and England didn’t and states in the USA proved that too That is hilarious. Are you suggesting that the make infections worse?? There are plenty of reasons why Scotland and England have different peaks and troughs. School holidays being a major one. Also, we know that people mix more indoors when it's colder. Guess what...Scotland is colder than England. You clearly pull your facts from conspiracy sites. You don't know what you are going on about and clearly can't hold an argument on your own. You simply don't do science..never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts " Scotland had higher number of cases during the period when masks remained but ditched in England. Either there were other factors at play or masks increase the spread. Clearly not the 2nd and therefore , if the first, you can't state that they don't make a difference. Too many variables... | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring.masks don’t stop the spread as has been proven by places that had mask mandates compared to places that don’t " It has been proven that in some locations where masks have been worn that the transmission/ no of cases has been higher than locations without masks. Yes, it's a fact. Now, add some other facts into the equation and possible that the reasons are a bit more complex... That's the science bit. But you don't do science. | |||
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" never said they make it worse just don’t make a difference and stop with the you don’t do science as you don’t do facts You obviously do not do facts either.... as it does not take much to understand that masks reduce the spread of covid... I can not see how you can't grasp that fact... there has been a lot of studies recently as before covid the studies just weren't there.. Masks stop the spread because they limit the droplets.. even just a cloth mask made a difference. It is a fact that you keep ignoring.masks don’t stop the spread as has been proven by places that had mask mandates compared to places that don’t It has been proven that in some locations where masks have been worn that the transmission/ no of cases has been higher than locations without masks. Yes, it's a fact. Now, add some other facts into the equation and possible that the reasons are a bit more complex... That's the science bit. But you don't do science." I think you misunderstanding science. You can only compare apples with apples. No area is the same and has lots and lots of different variables so can't just compare raw numbers. Masks reduce transmission by stopping or slowing down virus connected moisture particles. Even if particles escape the mask because they are slowed down so don't go as far and remain airborne for less time. Notice I never said masks stop transmission. | |||
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