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"It's completely bonkers. Giving tests to vulnerable people is a good idea, but wouldn't it be better if their non vulnerable contacts can screen themselves to avoid infecting the vulnerable?" You can if live with a vulnerable person or are their career I believe. | |||
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 then give them some vitamins too...WTF? | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF? "Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care. | |||
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"It's completely bonkers. Giving tests to vulnerable people is a good idea, but wouldn't it be better if their non vulnerable contacts can screen themselves to avoid infecting the vulnerable? You can if live with a vulnerable person or are their career I believe. " Yeah, but that excludes a lot of people who come into contact with the vulnerable. Certainly there are none for my charity, and it's what we do. | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care."They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about. | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about. "The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
"I was just going to say something very similar but actually preventive measures save money In the long run. I don't know why people always go off their drug addicts to further their argument when it comes to medical spending. Addiction is a recognised illness like any other so if you start going down the Room of because you feel itself inflicted you should get such-and-such then nobody would get anything because almost everything has some element of self infliction. | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
I was just going to say something very similar but actually preventive measures save money In the long run. I don't know why people always go off their drug addicts to further their argument when it comes to medical spending. Addiction is a recognised illness like any other so if you start going down the Room of because you feel itself inflicted you should get such-and-such then nobody would get anything because almost everything has some element of self infliction. "Take cost of it away and give towards cost of testing kits....is nhs saving money, status quo or is it costing the nhs more? Answers on a postcard | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
"Yes I know why the NHS provide them with clean needles and also the sharps tub..I do agree with that, some still throw dirty used needles on to the ground posing a risk to others, no need to use the F word. They have clean equipment by using needle exchanges, this I don't think is a waste of NHS funds. I was pointing out that the NHS has more important medication to buy for people needing it rather than paying for a metal type round dish for them to cook it in..do you honestly think that just the 1 person uses this at any 1 time?..No they share the 1 passing it from one user to another. I agree that there are no where near enough re-hab places available to get help addicts clean and off drugs, they get Methadone then top up with street Heroin. Addiction is classed as a Disease..an illegal lifestyle choice Disease in this instance. Maybe you think I have an hard stance approach to this...and yes I have..nothing will change that on this subject when seriously ill people cannot get the treatment needed due to lack of funds. | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
Yes I know why the NHS provide them with clean needles and also the sharps tub..I do agree with that, some still throw dirty used needles on to the ground posing a risk to others, no need to use the F word. They have clean equipment by using needle exchanges, this I don't think is a waste of NHS funds. I was pointing out that the NHS has more important medication to buy for people needing it rather than paying for a metal type round dish for them to cook it in..do you honestly think that just the 1 person uses this at any 1 time?..No they share the 1 passing it from one user to another. I agree that there are no where near enough re-hab places available to get help addicts clean and off drugs, they get Methadone then top up with street Heroin. Addiction is classed as a Disease..an illegal lifestyle choice Disease in this instance. Maybe you think I have an hard stance approach to this...and yes I have..nothing will change that on this subject when seriously ill people cannot get the treatment needed due to lack of funds."I disagree with most of what you say, but my take of your view is that you have a strong stance on something, back it up with knowledge so you've arrived at your position intellectually, have the courage of your convictions to not water it down like most do and articulate it better than i did haha i come at it from my experiences of working closly with high risk individuals, and a very limited understanding of how the nhs allocates and prioritise resources which wont bore you with why i know, that shapes my stance i guess. Rather than detoxing before responding i go from 0-naughty in seconds by injecting myself with some northern aggression aka passion, write simultaneously as im thinkng it, no spell check, no punctuation so it does look like an aggressive rant rammed down your neck, sorry for that, not my intention honest Ill leave it there. Nhs is the nuts | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
Yes I know why the NHS provide them with clean needles and also the sharps tub..I do agree with that, some still throw dirty used needles on to the ground posing a risk to others, no need to use the F word. They have clean equipment by using needle exchanges, this I don't think is a waste of NHS funds. I was pointing out that the NHS has more important medication to buy for people needing it rather than paying for a metal type round dish for them to cook it in..do you honestly think that just the 1 person uses this at any 1 time?..No they share the 1 passing it from one user to another. I agree that there are no where near enough re-hab places available to get help addicts clean and off drugs, they get Methadone then top up with street Heroin. Addiction is classed as a Disease..an illegal lifestyle choice Disease in this instance. Maybe you think I have an hard stance approach to this...and yes I have..nothing will change that on this subject when seriously ill people cannot get the treatment needed due to lack of funds.
I disagree with most of what you say, but my take of your view is that you have a strong stance on something, back it up with knowledge so you've arrived at your position intellectually, have the courage of your convictions to not water it down like most do and articulate it better than i did haha i come at it from my experiences of working closly with high risk individuals, and a very limited understanding of how the nhs allocates and prioritise resources which wont bore you with why i know, that shapes my stance i guess. Rather than detoxing before responding i go from 0-naughty in seconds by injecting myself with some northern aggression aka passion, write simultaneously as im thinkng it, no spell check, no punctuation so it does look like an aggressive rant rammed down your neck, sorry for that, not my intention honest Ill leave it there. Nhs is the nuts"Thank you for your apology. | |||
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"Wow this thread took an unexpected turn!" Druggies usually have that effect on things. | |||
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"Actually they are providing them with free saliva testing kits instead." Not everywhere. We did have saliva testing, that's coming to an end, instead we've been asked to start ordering lfts while they're still free x | |||
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"Actually they are providing them with free saliva testing kits instead. Not everywhere. We did have saliva testing, that's coming to an end, instead we've been asked to start ordering lfts while they're still free x" It's impossible to order free ones anymore. The website to get them sent to you has no delivery slots. I went to my local pharmacy and they ran out yesterday and have been told they won't get any further deliveries, so won't have any in stock until after people need to pay for them. I volunteer and need them in my role  | |||
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"Actually they are providing them with free saliva testing kits instead. Not everywhere. We did have saliva testing, that's coming to an end, instead we've been asked to start ordering lfts while they're still free x It's impossible to order free ones anymore. The website to get them sent to you has no delivery slots. I went to my local pharmacy and they ran out yesterday and have been told they won't get any further deliveries, so won't have any in stock until after people need to pay for them. I volunteer and need them in my role "I hear this *sigh* | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care." | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
"If only it were an exchange we would not have parks littered with discarded needles. The system needs tightening up 1 for 1. | |||
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"There is nothing shocking about this at all. If the so-called NHS were a limited company run and operated as a business, or even a PLC with Shareholders, it would have been bankrupt a long time ago. What people fail to realise is the NHS is not fit for purpose any longer. The business model it was based upon in 1948 is no longer fit for purpose in 2022. We are all living longer, the population has increased by 35% and the waiting list on the NHS makes “free at the point of use” a complete failure and shambles. 80% of the NHS is propped up by NON UK Nationals whose prime objective and motivation is MONEY and not providing CARE! As I said before, if this was a PLC, the shares would have plummeted and the board would have taken drastic action centuries ago. Instead it is run and operated by an incompetent government who are probably more focused on their own interest and popularity than taking a long hard look at the serious failings of the NHS." Strongly disagree with you. The main issue with the NHS is the notion that you can/should run it like a Ltd or PLC. Universal healthcare and profit are oxymorons as evidenced by the US system. The NHS is a benefit for all citizens of the UK funded by taxation. We pay in and hope we never need it but is there when we do. No questions asked. No restrictions based on how much we paid in for how long. No restrictions on pre-existing conditions. Trying to equate the NHS with a business is all that is wrong with these types of discussions. Constant tinkering by Govts of all colours with ever increasing burden on admin at the expense of actual healthcare is the problem. Ltd and PLC are there for one thing only, to create value for Directors and shareholders. That is not the purpose of the NHS. And back in the original topic, making healthcare workers pay for the tests to check whether they are safe to come into work to look after our health is completely ridiculous. What next, make them pay for their own PPE? | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients?" I don’t agree with NHS a staff having to pay for LFT’s especially front line staff. I can sort of understand if it’s non front line staff like NHS staff who work in a office (admin, hr etc) far away from surgical suites and wards having to pay | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients? I don’t agree with NHS a staff having to pay for LFT’s especially front line staff. I can sort of understand if it’s non front line staff like NHS staff who work in a office (admin, hr etc) far away from surgical suites and wards having to pay" They shouldn't have to pay. All those staff play an enormous role in keeping the NHS running. Without them frontline staff wouldn't be able to do their job | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
Not only are there not enough hours in the day I don't think there are enough crayons either."Agree, giving needles away for free...no exchange at all!! A needle for a crayon is fair | |||
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"To the NHS staff on here. Do you know what the plan is when you operate or treat a patient? Are they going to be tested for covid before a procedure or treatment? If they are, where will the test come from? " A neighbor of mine has to go in to Hospital for a colonoscopy..a taxi will be picking her up 2 days before and taking her for a covid pcr test then dropping her back home...NHS is paying!! | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
"Lol it is really a shame how many people let people feed them a bunch of crap to regurgitate. How does a clean NHS needle prevent overdoses. It is the drug that is being injected, not the condition of a needle that causes overdoses. Rather see money to going to the front line workers of the NHS than drains on society. | |||
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"We are still having to test before every shift, including my voluntary shift... We have however been provided with boxes of tests x" Apart from like a hospitals board guys Who do all the governance shit, budgets etc do you guys get consultanted and/or involved so you know what things cost and why. Always wondered because found out about budgets for hospital food and pain relief savings on certain cancer procedures which blew my noodle | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
Lol it is really a shame how many people let people feed them a bunch of crap to regurgitate.
How does a clean NHS needle prevent overdoses.
It is the drug that is being injected, not the condition of a needle that causes overdoses.
Rather see money to going to the front line workers of the NHS than drains on society.
"Just being told something then just regurgitated to make a point is easy to do and call bullshit on it. But noone makes a point and then attaches their cv so you know they arrived at their point by having direct involvement and could back it up intellectually if that's the case. If you want I can do that, so you can see how/why/logically I believe that even if disagree and you do same we'll see how you arrived at yours | |||
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"To the NHS staff on here. Do you know what the plan is when you operate or treat a patient? Are they going to be tested for covid before a procedure or treatment? If they are, where will the test come from? A neighbor of mine has to go in to Hospital for a colonoscopy..a taxi will be picking her up 2 days before and taking her for a covid pcr test then dropping her back home...NHS is paying!! " If she needs to stay over, will they allow visitors? | |||
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"To the NHS staff on here. Do you know what the plan is when you operate or treat a patient? Are they going to be tested for covid before a procedure or treatment? If they are, where will the test come from? A neighbor of mine has to go in to Hospital for a colonoscopy..a taxi will be picking her up 2 days before and taking her for a covid pcr test then dropping her back home...NHS is paying!! If she needs to stay over, will they allow visitors? " Thinking of taking some grapes? | |||
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"To the NHS staff on here. Do you know what the plan is when you operate or treat a patient? Are they going to be tested for covid before a procedure or treatment? If they are, where will the test come from? A neighbor of mine has to go in to Hospital for a colonoscopy..a taxi will be picking her up 2 days before and taking her for a covid pcr test then dropping her back home...NHS is paying!! If she needs to stay over, will they allow visitors? Thinking of taking some grapes?" Helpful question but a funny response...
If they are asking patients to test and that test is free of charge, why would NHS staff be not required to test and also be free of charge?
The follow up question, was to expand on the requirements imposed for visitors of people in hospital. So many people have been left without a single visitor during Covid, is this going to continue? Why would it continue if frontline NHS staff don't need to test? | |||
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"To the NHS staff on here. Do you know what the plan is when you operate or treat a patient? Are they going to be tested for covid before a procedure or treatment? If they are, where will the test come from? A neighbor of mine has to go in to Hospital for a colonoscopy..a taxi will be picking her up 2 days before and taking her for a covid pcr test then dropping her back home...NHS is paying!! If she needs to stay over, will they allow visitors? " Not staying in overnight...just a day case. | |||
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"Actually they are providing them with free saliva testing kits instead." We have been doing those for the last 3 weeks and they are much better, | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients?" Not what I read ? | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients? Not what I read ?" What did you read and where? I posted that 7 days ago so perfectly possible we have had yet another Govt u turn since then. Wouldn’t be the first time! | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF? "Addiction of whatever form is a form of 'illness' and cam wrack havoc upon not only their lives but all in contact with them. It does not help to compare two separate issues like the LFT to treatment for other conditions. | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF? "It's not a waste of money if it prevents people getting more unwell from using dirty equipment, it's more a preventative measure, people are going to do heroin regardless so why not help them stay as safe as possible? | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients? Not what I read ? What did you read and where? I posted that 7 days ago so perfectly possible we have had yet another Govt u turn since then. Wouldn’t be the first time!" I read it on the government web site. I asked some NHS staff and it's not what they were told. You probably read it in the daily fail or other crappy paper ? | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about. "This is such an ignorant comment, do you know most addicts have serious trauma! If the government put more money into treating this trauma then maybe just maybe these people would get the help they need and not need to turn to substances to try and block out their pain. Think before you judge | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about.
The needle exchange program reduces the cost injecting addicts in particular have on the nhs for fuck sake. Why do you think it was introduced, because it helps reduce the number of overdoses and other serious issues by the very fact of giving them clean equipment. And if your next response is why are we helping their drug habit and making it easier and safer to inject rather than get them off drugs then there aren't enough hours in the day to explain it in a way that would change your mind. but id give it a go
Yes I know why the NHS provide them with clean needles and also the sharps tub..I do agree with that, some still throw dirty used needles on to the ground posing a risk to others, no need to use the F word. They have clean equipment by using needle exchanges, this I don't think is a waste of NHS funds. I was pointing out that the NHS has more important medication to buy for people needing it rather than paying for a metal type round dish for them to cook it in..do you honestly think that just the 1 person uses this at any 1 time?..No they share the 1 passing it from one user to another. I agree that there are no where near enough re-hab places available to get help addicts clean and off drugs, they get Methadone then top up with street Heroin. Addiction is classed as a Disease..an illegal lifestyle choice Disease in this instance. Maybe you think I have an hard stance approach to this...and yes I have..nothing will change that on this subject when seriously ill people cannot get the treatment needed due to lack of funds."Maybe if some of those seriously ill (and addiction is a serious illness) people had had access to mental health care they wouldn’t be self medicating. If we provide universal healthcare from the cradle to the grave, that needs to include everything, including addiction care and fertility and hysterectomy and some cosmetic surgery and a million and one other things that people who don’t need them think are a waste of money. | |||
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"Nhs Wales staff will be provided with them in their workplace. There will be a localised hub that they will collect them from." Same for nhs Scotland lft will still be available staff wide for all | |||
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"I see in the media that the NHS staff now have to pay for car parking at the hospitals where they are looking after patients and doing operations etc. Not ideal situation for anyone to have to pay at a HOSPITAL" In most hospital trusts they have always had to pay for parking but it was suspended during a pandemic. | |||
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"I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but most NHS staff don't even go near patients these days. Very few are actually on the front line." I see patients daily and so do most of my colleagues we are all working closely with patients coco or not there’s still cause for testing | |||
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"I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but most NHS staff don't even go near patients these days. Very few are actually on the front line. I see patients daily and so do most of my colleagues we are all working closely with patients coco or not there’s still cause for testing " Yes, I never said there wasn't. | |||
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"Welcome to rip off britan whear the gov say screw the population for every penny you can get.or let them die and reduce the surplus population. Charlse dikens would be proud nothing ever changes. Viva the coming revolution" Fortunately most of us took advantage of the free education. However, we've just been through a couple of years of failing economy and the government has spent billions to millions of people doing furlough and we're still in unprecedented times yet one whinge about a few quid and well doesn't matter | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients?" Not true, NHS staff still get free LFT tests through the government.co.uk website, easy to apply for and delivered straight to your home. As NHS staff we are not allowed to go to work if we test positive for covid, even now in April. | |||
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"May have been mentioned in one of the threads and eems crazy to me but is everyone aware that from next week, the government is expecting all NHS staff either to pay for their own LFTs or to stop self-testing & potentially come to work with Covid, infecting vulnerable patients? Not true, NHS staff still get free LFT tests through the government.co.uk website, easy to apply for and delivered straight to your home. As NHS staff we are not allowed to go to work if we test positive for covid, even now in April. " There is little point commenting on a thread started three weeks ago when this was indeed going to be happening before once again the Government bowed to pressure and did yet another U turn. It’s all in the thread  | |||
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"Nhs staff don’t have to pay for the lft’s, we can still order them for free as front line staff" Never let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory | |||
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"Folks did brain cell count get reduced this weekend? This thread is three weeks old. At the time the Govt WERE going to start making NHS staff pay. Then when there was outcry they did what they have done numerous times and u-turned. This was made clear further up the thread. Not a hard concept really!" It was rumoured that the NHS would pay for their own tests, I haven't heard of any staff that ever saw any such directive even three weeks ago. If you don't like posts that continue to discuss things maybe you should just scroll past them ? | |||
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"Folks did brain cell count get reduced this weekend? This thread is three weeks old. At the time the Govt WERE going to start making NHS staff pay. Then when there was outcry they did what they have done numerous times and u-turned. This was made clear further up the thread. Not a hard concept really! It was rumoured that the NHS would pay for their own tests, I haven't heard of any staff that ever saw any such directive even three weeks ago. If you don't like posts that continue to discuss things maybe you should just scroll past them ?" Except it wasn’t a rumour. It was going to be Govt policy until they u-turned! | |||
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"Folks did brain cell count get reduced this weekend? This thread is three weeks old. At the time the Govt WERE going to start making NHS staff pay. Then when there was outcry they did what they have done numerous times and u-turned. This was made clear further up the thread. Not a hard concept really! It was rumoured that the NHS would pay for their own tests, I haven't heard of any staff that ever saw any such directive even three weeks ago. If you don't like posts that continue to discuss things maybe you should just scroll past them ?" Except it wasn’t a rumour. It was going to be Govt policy until they u-turned! | |||
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"Shocking...ALL NHS and care workers should get the tests free...ideally every one to continue to get free LFT's...the NHS waste money on providing drug addicts with items for them to 'cook' their Heroin in then give them some vitamins too...WTF?
Not sure that's a fair comparison because even drug addicts deserve appropriate medical care.
They do get medical help when they need it..IE: Drug overdose, having to have a limb amputated as they have injected in to the veins or miss that vein, Ulcers too, not just a drain on the NHS it's also a drain on sickness benefits and PIP money claimed from DWP. If they want to cook Heroin let them use one of their spoons or buy tin foil..so many better ways for NHS funds to be used, NHS providing needle exchanges with a sharps tub to prevent passing blood born virus yet some still leave dirty used needles lying about. " | |||
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