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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated" Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal" Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"? | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?" its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey | |||
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"Would you like to see smokers with lung cancer get no sick pay while they are off work getting treatment? How about someone who falls over pissed and injures themselves should they get sick pay? How about people who are so fat they cant move should they not get sickness benefit" Any of the above should maybe get a reduced payment if any at all, certainly injury from being pi$$ed should not get paid sick pay. IMHO | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey" Agreed but we are talking about time off sick with pay and it is proven having the vaccine drastically reduces the sickness and severity of the illness | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me." Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… " So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay" What was the question? I can see the words “so you agree if…” and I can see a question mark but there’s no actual question? | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay" Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay What was the question? I can see the words “so you agree if…” and I can see a question mark but there’s no actual question? " The question was you agree it's better for the environment and the workforce if no sick pay? | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay What was the question? I can see the words “so you agree if…” and I can see a question mark but there’s no actual question? The question was you agree it's better for the environment and the workforce if no sick pay?" That’s a ridiculous question and has no bearing on what I said whatsoever. | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. " Who is in this "glass house" you mention? | |||
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"Just going to repost something I put on another thread. Not going to rewrite to take account of the OP being about NHS workers and suck pay but the sentiment is all still relevant... So what about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU because their choice aligned with yours? What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid? How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU? OP and those who agree (to not giving sick pay) give your heads a wobble. In 2020 you were probably standing on your doorstep clapping for these NHS workers! "
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention?" Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated." When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention? Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc " So your assuming "the person" isn't prepared to take less or no sick pay if applicable? | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention? Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc So your assuming "the person" isn't prepared to take less or no sick pay if applicable?" Yes I am assuming that considering “the person” has only suggested that unvaccinated people (I’m also assuming they mean unvaccinated against covid - just to be 100% clear of all of the assumptions I’ve made before suggesting it’s a stupid idea) should be denied sick pay. What do you even mean “if applicable” unless said person lives in a bubble then it will always be applicable. As I said there aren’t many illnesses or ailments that aren’t self inflicted or man made. | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention? Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc So your assuming "the person" isn't prepared to take less or no sick pay if applicable? Yes I am assuming that considering “the person” has only suggested that unvaccinated people (I’m also assuming they mean unvaccinated against covid - just to be 100% clear of all of the assumptions I’ve made before suggesting it’s a stupid idea) should be denied sick pay. What do you even mean “if applicable” unless said person lives in a bubble then it will always be applicable. As I said there aren’t many illnesses or ailments that aren’t self inflicted or man made. " I was under the impression you don't have to smoke to get cancer, pedestrians can get knocked over by a car, mental health won't be self inflicted, there is plenty. I also know people who don't drink, drive and are slim, but they still have to pay the same contributions as fat piss heads who drive d*unk. | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated." So I assume you can prove exactly where and when you caught it? What test would you use for that? You haven’t thought this through at all have you? | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey Agreed but we are talking about time off sick with pay and it is proven having the vaccine drastically reduces the sickness and severity of the illness" You mean for some people. I personally know many people who are vaxed and suffered far more with being infected than others i know who aren't. Close family members that were unwell for 4 weeks had been vaxed the others in family not vaxed unwell for between 2 and 5 days. If you are unhealthy through your own lifestyle choices then you should be thrown on the rubbish pile with all the unclean unvaxed. Its just another very poor coercion taktic by members of the public who cannot accept others have different opinions and knowledge. Peace and love | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention? Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc So your assuming "the person" isn't prepared to take less or no sick pay if applicable? Yes I am assuming that considering “the person” has only suggested that unvaccinated people (I’m also assuming they mean unvaccinated against covid - just to be 100% clear of all of the assumptions I’ve made before suggesting it’s a stupid idea) should be denied sick pay. What do you even mean “if applicable” unless said person lives in a bubble then it will always be applicable. As I said there aren’t many illnesses or ailments that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I was under the impression you don't have to smoke to get cancer, pedestrians can get knocked over by a car, mental health won't be self inflicted, there is plenty. I also know people who don't drink, drive and are slim, but they still have to pay the same contributions as fat piss heads who drive d*unk." Ok reposting this without the rude comment at the end. Because I’m not that person (I just find you infuriating) You don’t have to smoke to get cancer. But if you think smoking is the only cause of self inflicted / man made cancer then I’m not even sure I can continue responding to you. We are on completely different levels of understanding and logic. ALL cancer is man made. It’s not a disease that just fell out of a tree. The people who don’t drink/drive and are slim 100% still do things that cause illness. The pedestrian that got hit by a car could of prevented it by not going out! This is the kind of logic the OP is using here by the simple un thought through statement about not paying sick pay to unvaccinated people. He’s implying that there is a way to prevent being I’ll with covid. There is a way to prevent every single thing you’ve just mentioned as being a viable reason to get sick pay. | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay Anyway regardless of the strange post let me clarify my comment I think it is hypocritical for someone to suggest denying someone sick pay based on a perceived self infliction of an illness while sitting in their glass house. My personal opinion of whether people should get sick pay or not (regardless of their ailment) I have not shared. Who is in this "glass house" you mention? Oh for goodness sake. The person suggesting that non vaccinated people should be denied sick pay despite (I’m almost certain of it) doing things that can cause illness or put them in a position where they require sick pay themselves (such as driving/eating salt/sugar/sat fats) Etc So your assuming "the person" isn't prepared to take less or no sick pay if applicable? Yes I am assuming that considering “the person” has only suggested that unvaccinated people (I’m also assuming they mean unvaccinated against covid - just to be 100% clear of all of the assumptions I’ve made before suggesting it’s a stupid idea) should be denied sick pay. What do you even mean “if applicable” unless said person lives in a bubble then it will always be applicable. As I said there aren’t many illnesses or ailments that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I was under the impression you don't have to smoke to get cancer, pedestrians can get knocked over by a car, mental health won't be self inflicted, there is plenty. I also know people who don't drink, drive and are slim, but they still have to pay the same contributions as fat piss heads who drive d*unk. Ok reposting this without the rude comment at the end. Because I’m not that person (I just find you infuriating) You don’t have to smoke to get cancer. But if you think smoking is the only cause of self inflicted / man made cancer then I’m not even sure I can continue responding to you. We are on completely different levels of understanding and logic. ALL cancer is man made. It’s not a disease that just fell out of a tree. The people who don’t drink/drive and are slim 100% still do things that cause illness. The pedestrian that got hit by a car could of prevented it by not going out! This is the kind of logic the OP is using here by the simple un thought through statement about not paying sick pay to unvaccinated people. He’s implying that there is a way to prevent being I’ll with covid. There is a way to prevent every single thing you’ve just mentioned as being a viable reason to get sick pay." Great post | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?" What fix? As clearly the last wave all over the world made vaccinated just as sick as unvaccinated. The hate is unbelievable | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey Agreed but we are talking about time off sick with pay and it is proven having the vaccine drastically reduces the sickness and severity of the illness You mean for some people. I personally know many people who are vaxed and suffered far more with being infected than others i know who aren't. Close family members that were unwell for 4 weeks had been vaxed the others in family not vaxed unwell for between 2 and 5 days. If you are unhealthy through your own lifestyle choices then you should be thrown on the rubbish pile with all the unclean unvaxed. Its just another very poor coercion taktic by members of the public who cannot accept others have different opinions and knowledge. Peace and love " It’s like a ponzi scheme for retards. I don’t see anyone as a retard for their choices but their thinking shows itself for what it is.  | |||
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"There is a theme that runs through this thread by the people who are against unvaccinated NHS staff receiving sick pay. You see sick pay as a reward, it was even referred to as a reward. Do you really think NHS staff who contract covid think like that? Some views here belong back in victorian times....." Spot on
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"? What fix? As clearly the last wave all over the world made vaccinated just as sick as unvaccinated. The hate is unbelievable " I don't hate anybody, do you? | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal" I pay NI the same as most but I don't get sick pay. If you are more inclined to be off work without the vaccine should the tax payer pick up the bill same for all government employees realy | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey Agreed but we are talking about time off sick with pay and it is proven having the vaccine drastically reduces the sickness and severity of the illness" And that is the point thank you  | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal I pay NI the same as most but I don't get sick pay. If you are more inclined to be off work without the vaccine should the tax payer pick up the bill same for all government employees realy " Aha I knew the real/underlying reason behind your question would surface eventually. An anti public sector stance. You probably also cheer when there are pay freezes and pension reductions in the public sector. Are you one of those people who honestly thinks it is only those in the private sector who work hard and deserve reward? The data on sickness in the NHS roughly equates to just over 1 day a year per employee. Not exactly milking it are they! | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." yes they should there desision to get jabed or not | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." it is your choice to vaccinate or not and as an employee whether it be NHS or not is your contactial right to sick pay or not! | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated" Nice way to treat hero’s isn’t it ? | |||
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"Do your research,I mean actually research things don't just follow what you've heard or a headline you've swiped past and you'll realise how silly this thread is. Like actually pick apart how ridiculous and how broad a range you would have to cover in order for it to be non discriminating against a certain individual. So all people who have time off for cancer treatment who have lung cancer largely due to smoking shouldn't have sick pay either. If you have a sexually transmitted disease and need time off....you get my point. I don't get sick pay as I'm self employed so none of it matters to me either way, the right to Freedom of choose however does affect me. Exactly this. People need to get their heads out of the newspapers. There aren’t very many ‘illnesses’ that aren’t self inflicted or man made. I bet the OP drives a car (how selfish) eats salt/sugar/sat fat (how selfish!) etc etc… So you agree if these people didn't have cars, (better emissions for the environment) and healthier workforce if they stopped eating salt/sugar/ sat fats? Makes perfect sense instead of rewarding them with sick pay" Sick pay isn't a reward. If you adjusted your perception of what sick pay is, you'd see how deeply flawed your suggestion is. Winston | |||
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"Wow ....love some of the support for NHS on this thread....Jeez whilst you all worked safely in the cocoon of your own houses, we were out fighting this before vaccines were even developed. I think some of you should think back to early 2020 and remember how we battled hourly to save peoples lives, without even the hint of a vaccine, and continue battling. It's very hurtful to read how people disrespect the NHS "Don’t listen to them they are trolls … NHS deserve double pay no matter vaccine status … | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." Yes of course they should.I'm not someone who is against vaccines, however- We should stop with the divisiveness. Enough of the divide and rule agenda under the establishment Tory party as it is. After all unvaccinated NHS staff were were all cheering and clapping for at 8pm and considered heroes then, so would utter hypocritical if we demonise them now if they have chosen what to do with their own bodies. | |||
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"Just going to repost something I put on another thread. Not going to rewrite to take account of the OP being about NHS workers and suck pay but the sentiment is all still relevant... So what about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU because their choice aligned with yours? What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid? How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU? OP and those who agree (to not giving sick pay) give your heads a wobble. In 2020 you were probably standing on your doorstep clapping for these NHS workers! "Great Post. Some of the responses on here are very scary. What's even worse these people would probably call themselves Libertarians | |||
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"Sick pay is for sick people Like most people, NHS get full pay for a term then half pay and if they are off long term they will have their contract terminated so it's in their interest to be vaccinated for a disease they will be in daily contact with." If the vaccine prevented the disease. But currently it doesn't. | |||
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"Just going to repost something I put on another thread. Not going to rewrite to take account of the OP being about NHS workers and suck pay but the sentiment is all still relevant... So what about people in hospital due to adverse reactions to the vaccine (that they chose to have)? Presume you would not pull those out of ICU because their choice aligned with yours? What about all the obese people who are being more seriously affected by Covid despite being vaccinated? Or the smokers? After all they made the choice to continue being overweight or smoke, despite us knowing for over 18mths that their lifestyle choices put them at significantly higher risk of serious illness or dying of Covid? How about all the vaccinated people who stopped taking any precautions once jabbed. Partying (swinging included), not wearing masks, going to the pub etc. We all know the vaccines reduce the risk but we also know they do not remotely eradicate the risk. In fact due to reduced symptoms many do not even know they are ill and walk around spreading it. Well they all made choices too so shall we pull them out of ICU? OP and those who agree (to not giving sick pay) give your heads a wobble. In 2020 you were probably standing on your doorstep clapping for these NHS workers!
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"if the government make the rules to isolate then yeah they should get paid. ive not had any jabs, my family have yet they were a lot worse off then me when we got it and you still spread it vaccinated so who are they protecting getting vaccinated?" The vaccine protects those that need protection, it affects people different and anyone that can't look at the hospitalisation and death rates and see that is blind or | |||
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"Sick pay is for sick people Like most people, NHS get full pay for a term then half pay and if they are off long term they will have their contract terminated so it's in their interest to be vaccinated for a disease they will be in daily contact with. If the vaccine prevented the disease. But currently it doesn't. FACT CHECK Vaccines don't prevent disease on their own" Fact Check They always used to! | |||
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"Either working for NHS, care in community or care home all should be vaccinated to protect not only themselves but others. Sadly I lost my mum 2yrs this June not covid she fell fractured hip passed away 3weeks later. " you do realise the vax stops the person having it from getting seriously ill thats it,ya can still catch it and spread it so as long as the person being treated is vaxxed it shouldnt matter if the health worker is or isnt | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"? NHS also supplies assistance to give up smoking, free condoms, dieticians etc. etc " That's true, they are called Health Trainers. I should know. | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated What about people with exemptions?" What about people who have had "nature's vaccine" and have antibodies..? What about those for whom the vaccine does not work? What about those who have had a vaccine but its no longer effective (ie greater than 3 months ago). What about those infected with a variant / sub variant which the vaccine is minimally effective for? What about those with a vax but who go to work sick and spread it? It's just causing an argument where none needs to happen. | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated" nobody who is off with Covid and is vaccinated should get sick pay. Nobody who is off sick from having the vaccine should get sick pay | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated What about people with exemptions? What about people who have had "nature's vaccine" and have antibodies..? What about those for whom the vaccine does not work? What about those who have had a vaccine but its no longer effective (ie greater than 3 months ago). What about those infected with a variant / sub variant which the vaccine is minimally effective for? What about those with a vax but who go to work sick and spread it? It's just causing an argument where none needs to happen. " I totally agree my previous comment was designed to pretty much get that point over. No one should be treated different when it comes to sick pay. | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?" they are not having two bites of the cherry they have saved money by not having the vaccine | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated Should the same apply to any illness caused by something "avoidable"? Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, obesity, unprotected sex, etc... I think that it is important to remember, most people have contributed through their wages towards the "benefits" they are paid if they are sick. Sick pay isn't some bonus for being good, it's a necessity to allow people to pay their bills & eat. Cal Yes they have contributed through wages and the NHS has provided the fix (vaccine) from that contribution, why should they be allowed "two bites of the cherry"?its not a fix though dosent stop you catching or spreading it or getting sick,if it done those things then mabey and thats a very small mabey Agreed but we are talking about time off sick with pay and it is proven having the vaccine drastically reduces the sickness and severity of the illness" let’s just remember most people who have had covid would quite happily go about their normal life and go to work the reason they don’t is cause it is mandate that they can not. | |||
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"think these Covid posts should be banned from Fab they are turning the community against each other" It's posted getting forum bingo cards filled quickly about every other day. They would litter the Lounge and Clubs sections, without this here. Brexit did the same until they added a Politics forum section. Keep it here, whilst it's an important topic for some | |||
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"Also. Not sure why some people, including some in leadership roles seem hell bent on throwing more and more things at us to divide us. And many folks seem very happy to jump on that bandwagon. Whatever happened to working and living together and supporting eachother in times of need? " Bread and circuses. As long as we are focused on fighting each other we are too distracted to focus on what is really happening such as... 1) The largest transfer of state assets into private hands in history. 2) Corruption and cronyism at a level never before even envisaged. 3) The slow gradual erosion of workers, citizen and human rights. | |||
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"Also. Not sure why some people, including some in leadership roles seem hell bent on throwing more and more things at us to divide us. And many folks seem very happy to jump on that bandwagon. Whatever happened to working and living together and supporting eachother in times of need? Bread and circuses. As long as we are focused on fighting each other we are too distracted to focus on what is really happening such as... 1) The largest transfer of state assets into private hands in history. 2) Corruption and cronyism at a level never before even envisaged. 3) The slow gradual erosion of workers, citizen and human rights." May I add that it is all legitimised through the ballot box and your right to vote for it. | |||
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"Also. Not sure why some people, including some in leadership roles seem hell bent on throwing more and more things at us to divide us. And many folks seem very happy to jump on that bandwagon. Whatever happened to working and living together and supporting eachother in times of need? Bread and circuses. As long as we are focused on fighting each other we are too distracted to focus on what is really happening such as... 1) The largest transfer of state assets into private hands in history. 2) Corruption and cronyism at a level never before even envisaged. 3) The slow gradual erosion of workers, citizen and human rights. May I add that it is all legitimised through the ballot box and your right to vote for it. "Yep so anyone who voted for this corrupt slime ridden govt purely on the promise to “get brexit done” then this is also partly on you. Before people shout - “nothing to do with brexit” or “how could we have foreseen” you could easily have looked at the track record of Johnson and all those likely to be in his Cabinet. Before people shout - “but Jeremy Corbyn etc etc” you could have not voted or spoiled your ballot paper thereby removing the perceived popular mandate Johnson thought he had. | |||
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"Also. Not sure why some people, including some in leadership roles seem hell bent on throwing more and more things at us to divide us. And many folks seem very happy to jump on that bandwagon. Whatever happened to working and living together and supporting eachother in times of need? Bread and circuses. As long as we are focused on fighting each other we are too distracted to focus on what is really happening such as... 1) The largest transfer of state assets into private hands in history. 2) Corruption and cronyism at a level never before even envisaged. 3) The slow gradual erosion of workers, citizen and human rights. May I add that it is all legitimised through the ballot box and your right to vote for it.
Yep so anyone who voted for this corrupt slime ridden govt purely on the promise to “get brexit done” then this is also partly on you.
Before people shout - “nothing to do with brexit” or “how could we have foreseen” you could easily have looked at the track record of Johnson and all those likely to be in his Cabinet.
Before people shout - “but Jeremy Corbyn etc etc” you could have not voted or spoiled your ballot paper thereby removing the perceived popular mandate Johnson thought he had."ive done exactly that for years aint even registerd although have been told numerous times on here i should be ashamed of myself as people died for my right to vote,im pretty sure those people would of also said i have every right not to vote | |||
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Before people shout - “but Jeremy Corbyn etc etc” you could have not voted or spoiled your ballot paper thereby removing the perceived popular mandate Johnson thought he had.ive done exactly that for years aint even registerd although have been told numerous times on here i should be ashamed of myself as people died for my right to vote,im pretty sure those people would of also said i have every right not to vote"I often question that statement. people have given their life so a political party can take office and form a government or people have given their life to get the right to vote because a political party or government does not afford you the right to choose who you are governed by. | |||
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"Remember treet others difrent and its discrimination and can cost a lot of money in court .or are we going back 100 years no vote for women and gays sent to prison Lets advance the human race not regress it back to discrimination" Apparently bullying in person, sacking and generally restricting people's lives based on their medical choices isn't discrimination at all! (one of very passionate forumites have enlightened me recently). You live you learn. | |||
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"ive done exactly that for years aint even registerd although have been told numerous times on here i should be ashamed of myself as people died for my right to vote,im pretty sure those people would of also said i have every right not to vote" Voting is a duty, if you choose not to partake you have no right to complain about anything political, because you have chosen to not participate. | |||
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"ive done exactly that for years aint even registerd although have been told numerous times on here i should be ashamed of myself as people died for my right to vote,im pretty sure those people would of also said i have every right not to vote Voting is a duty, if you choose not to partake you have no right to complain about anything political, because you have chosen to not participate." Not voting does not exclude a person from politics. Voting does not put a person in a special club, it affords you the right to choose a representative in parliament or local government that you would prefer to make decisions on your behalf. Your chosen representative may or may not win the majority of the vote, but whichever representative wins will represent the people in their constituency regardless of how they voted or if they didn't vote at all. | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." 100% should get sick pay. No one should be forced to have it. They have just spent the last 2 year caring for everyone. Government have gave large percentage of people, 80% of their wage for siting at home. | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick. nobody, NHS or other, should get sick pay if off with covid and not vaccinated" Unless unable to get vaccinated due to a medical reason. Like a proper medical need where having the vaccine could prove dangerous. | |||
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"ive done exactly that for years aint even registerd although have been told numerous times on here i should be ashamed of myself as people died for my right to vote,im pretty sure those people would of also said i have every right not to vote Voting is a duty, if you choose not to partake you have no right to complain about anything political, because you have chosen to not participate." lol i can complain about watever i want i pay tax so therefore pay there wages and no voting is not a duty its a choice | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated. When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! This is not, actually, true but it is often repeated. Someone vaccinated is not "far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms". The data actually indicates that they are less likely to be hospitalised and are less likely to pass it on. Again, I will view the scientific advice to be more reliable than that of someone proposing their own theory using "common sense" because this situation is not at all "common". If there is some actual evidence then it should be considered. Is there any? For the OP point on withholding treatment, or charging people for manslaughter, then no. However, I can understand the depth of feeling by those who may needlessly lose loved ones. 'Needlessly' is the correct word. Choosing to risk your own health is one thing, but risking that of others is less tolerable. However, there is no way to fairly differentiate." The same for sick pay. You receive it. Perhaps it is enhanced for those who are vaccinated as they have made every effort possible. | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated. When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! This is not, actually, true but it is often repeated. Someone vaccinated is not "far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms". The data actually indicates that they are less likely to be hospitalised and are less likely to pass it on. Again, I will view the scientific advice to be more reliable than that of someone proposing their own theory using "common sense" because this situation is not at all "common". If there is some actual evidence then it should be considered. Is there any? For the OP point on withholding treatment, or charging people for manslaughter, then no. However, I can understand the depth of feeling by those who may needlessly lose loved ones. 'Needlessly' is the correct word. Choosing to risk your own health is one thing, but risking that of others is less tolerable. However, there is no way to fairly differentiate." so interestingly we are saying that a vaccinated person is less likely to pass covid on and yet 91% of the population ( this country ) over the age of 12 are vaccinated to the level of at least one jab. I think at this point we have to hold that message up for scrutiny and say that actually the science is not necessarily science but Something that we are just told. If it was the case the number of infections and re-infections would be lower. If we want to use science why not use the study that is proving those that are in regular contact with Covid sufferers are less likely to catch covid and are less likely to pass covid on ( such as those that work on covid wards ) | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated. When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! This is not, actually, true but it is often repeated. Someone vaccinated is not "far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms". The data actually indicates that they are less likely to be hospitalised and are less likely to pass it on. Again, I will view the scientific advice to be more reliable than that of someone proposing their own theory using "common sense" because this situation is not at all "common". If there is some actual evidence then it should be considered. Is there any? For the OP point on withholding treatment, or charging people for manslaughter, then no. However, I can understand the depth of feeling by those who may needlessly lose loved ones. 'Needlessly' is the correct word. Choosing to risk your own health is one thing, but risking that of others is less tolerable. However, there is no way to fairly differentiate. The same for sick pay. You receive it. Perhaps it is enhanced for those who are vaccinated as they have made every effort possible." Enhanced? Please elaborate! So you're suggesting a two tier system? | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated. When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! This is not, actually, true but it is often repeated. Someone vaccinated is not "far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms". The data actually indicates that they are less likely to be hospitalised and are less likely to pass it on. Again, I will view the scientific advice to be more reliable than that of someone proposing their own theory using "common sense" because this situation is not at all "common". If there is some actual evidence then it should be considered. Is there any? For the OP point on withholding treatment, or charging people for manslaughter, then no. However, I can understand the depth of feeling by those who may needlessly lose loved ones. 'Needlessly' is the correct word. Choosing to risk your own health is one thing, but risking that of others is less tolerable. However, there is no way to fairly differentiate." Needlessly is only the correct word if you have an unhealthy obsession with giving everyone the vaccine and consider those who haven't had the vaccine as superspreaders. An unvaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. A vaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. An unvaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. A vaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. Same risk for vaccinated/unvaccinated. | |||
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"Totally agree. Personally I think all NHS should be vaccinated. If I had a relative being cared for by someone who had not had the vaccine, they then caught it and passed it to my relative who dies from it, then I believe they should be charged with manslaughter. This threat would surely make more staff get vaccinated. When caring for your relative the vaccine status of the NHS workers should be irrelevant. What matters is current clear tests. A vaccinated person is far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms and therefore not know they are “ill” whereas an unvaccinated person is far more likely to develop symptoms and therefore know they are ill! I suspect anyone working in the NHS is hyper aware of what to look out for and their duty of care to others! This is not, actually, true but it is often repeated. Someone vaccinated is not "far more likely to be carrying covid with no symptoms". The data actually indicates that they are less likely to be hospitalised and are less likely to pass it on. Again, I will view the scientific advice to be more reliable than that of someone proposing their own theory using "common sense" because this situation is not at all "common". If there is some actual evidence then it should be considered. Is there any? For the OP point on withholding treatment, or charging people for manslaughter, then no. However, I can understand the depth of feeling by those who may needlessly lose loved ones. 'Needlessly' is the correct word. Choosing to risk your own health is one thing, but risking that of others is less tolerable. However, there is no way to fairly differentiate. Needlessly is only the correct word if you have an unhealthy obsession with giving everyone the vaccine and consider those who haven't had the vaccine as superspreaders. An unvaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. A vaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. An unvaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. A vaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. Same risk for vaccinated/unvaccinated." Pushing water uphill I'm afraid. That kind of common sense won't go down well. I think someone above also made a great point about the flawed thinking that anyone vaxxed by definition will spread it less... Regardless of circumstances or behaviours. When Susan Hopkins herself stated after a few months it makes very little difference to spreading infections and was using that fact to encourage people to get a booster. Choose your science wisely. | |||
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"Should we just celebrate the fact that 95% of the NHS workers have been vaccinated? " Steady on, you will be asking people to be kind to each other next! Weirdo  | |||
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"Needlessly is only the correct word if you have an unhealthy obsession with giving everyone the vaccine and consider those who haven't had the vaccine as superspreaders. An unvaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. A vaccinated nurse who doesn't have Covid has 0% chance of transmitting Covid to their patients. An unvaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. A vaccinated nurse who tests positive for Covid isolates at home to prevent transmitting Covid to their patients and colleagues. Same risk for vaccinated/unvaccinated." I'm not sure you are seeing the big picture my friend, this type of reasoning does not sell news. Turn off your internet and take time out to reconsider your position | |||
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"If you are off longer as you chose not to get vaccinated should you get paid for all the time off sick." Yes 100% If not then don't get sick lay if you have obesity related illness Smoking related illnesses Etc.etc. | |||
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"As in Yes they should get sick pay" I agree too | |||
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"Would you like to see smokers with lung cancer get no sick pay while they are off work getting treatment? How about someone who falls over pissed and injures themselves should they get sick pay? How about people who are so fat they cant move should they not get sickness benefit Any of the above should maybe get a reduced payment if any at all, certainly injury from being pi$$ed should not get paid sick pay. IMHO" This is an absolutely terrifying view of the world. Honestly the control you think is acceptable over people is just awful | |||
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