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"well with so many viruses queued up, it is no big surprise if it came from the wild (UN report: "up to 850,000 undiscovered viruses which could be transferred to humans are thought to exist in mammal and avian hosts.")" That’s a cheery thought | |||
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"It's most important to focus precious resources on limiting the damage of it now. We need to learn from our experience of handling this 1, so that we are much better prepared for the next 1. As stated by another, our intrusion into and disruption of formerly distant areas of separated wildlife, means that we are increasingly prone to other similar zoonotic viruses, that could have even greater impacts to our own lives and the world. Someone may know. So what, really? " Yeah really | |||
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"Wouldnt you agree there is a fundamental difference in how we would view all the illness death and upheaval the last 2 years have caused if A. It was naturally occurring B. It was engineered and accidentally introduced C. It was engineered and deliberately introduced " Yes B. Manslaughter C.Murder | |||
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"Wouldnt you agree there is a fundamental difference in how we would view all the illness death and upheaval the last 2 years have caused if A. It was naturally occurring B. It was engineered and accidentally introduced C. It was engineered and deliberately introduced " Not least, if it was man-made we have to find out who made it and why. It begs the question of reparations...the UK alone has spent a reputed £400b on this and we are all slowly having our taxes increased and our savings/pensions eroded by this | |||
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"We have to find out. We need to know if we are being lied to. We need to know who lied, how they propagated that lie and why. We are adults not children. We need to find out so we can stop it happening again" But do you think we will ever find out for certain?, if there is a 'lie' its not going to be revealed. The virus has been circulating that long now that pinpointing which 'animal' was the intermeidietary between bats and humans is going to be impossible. Likewise proving this was a 'lab leak' is going to be equally as impossible. There have been many pandemics throughout history (before labs and genome understanding) that have spread from animals to humans so of course that cannot be ruled out as most likley as that is the 'normal' way pandemics happen. However whilst I dont buy into the craziest of conspiracy theories neither am i naive enough to think it is beyond the realms of possibility that there may have been a terrible lab leak and it has been covered up by China/USA (or whoever) We just will never know with 100% certainty The where and how are now of less importance the how we deal with it and the future prevention of pandemics is where efforts should be concentrated. | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" Would you believe the truth or are you seeking a particular truth ? | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" Lab in China….pretty obvious | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" Leak from a dodgy lab fridge. | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. " That definitely sound “bats” but some how enticingly feasible. | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? " The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ? Would you believe the truth or are you seeking a particular truth ?" What? | |||
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"Bats is stab in reverse. Now everyone is getting stabbed with vaccine injections. Coincidence? "Worst theory ever | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? " It's not really a coincidence that they would set up a lab close to the things they were studying, it seems quite a sensible thing to do really. Cal | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. " I'm not sure you can trust them... they also said we "Won't get fooled again", "We're not gonna take it", and "I can see for miles" Cal | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. I'm not sure you can trust them... they also said we "Won't get fooled again", "We're not gonna take it", and "I can see for miles" Cal" But that second one is Twisted Sister | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? It's not really a coincidence that they would set up a lab close to the things they were studying, it seems quite a sensible thing to do really. Cal" Again with the common sense and logic. 
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" It’s not some giant conspiracy that “they” are keeping secret. Are you expecting to be told exact origins of the common cold and flu as well? Viruses happen | |||
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"I believe it was combination poor hygiene and eating animals which shouldn't be eaten by that I mean non domesticated aninmals like bats or panelling." Eating panelling? Got any recipes for that? Might be a bit woody. | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. " Completely independent WHO?! Are you actually being serious?????? Do yourself a favour and see who funds the WHO. Unbelievable! | |||
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"We have to find out. We need to know if we are being lied to. We need to know who lied, how they propagated that lie and why. We are adults not children. We need to find out so we can stop it happening again" ... and while we are at it, i demand that know who is behind volcanoes. Surely someone must know. I think we know who, but they are bound to deny it. What are they hiding? | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ? It’s not some giant conspiracy that “they” are keeping secret. Are you expecting to be told exact origins of the common cold and flu as well? Viruses happen " Chill out sunshine Jesus It’s a forum Discuss stuff That’s how it works Go away | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ? It’s not some giant conspiracy that “they” are keeping secret. Are you expecting to be told exact origins of the common cold and flu as well? Viruses happen Chill out sunshine Jesus It’s a forum Discuss stuff That’s how it works Go away " I’m the one who needs to chill out? | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. " How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. " You and Cal should tag team. I'm still working on your TT name.
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ? It’s not some giant conspiracy that “they” are keeping secret. Are you expecting to be told exact origins of the common cold and flu as well? Viruses happen Chill out sunshine Jesus It’s a forum Discuss stuff That’s how it works Go away I’m the one who needs to chill out? " Yup I’m all good ta | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. " Yes. Viruses occur naturally. Lots of them. This is not new! | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? It's not really a coincidence that they would set up a lab close to the things they were studying, it seems quite a sensible thing to do really. Cal" except the bats they were supposedley studying are found in caves about 1200 miles away from wuhan so not really close by | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" Agree No No | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. Yes. Viruses occur naturally. Lots of them. This is not new! " Coronavirus isn’t new? Virus’s aren’t new The virus I refer to in this thread ? New | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. Yes. Viruses occur naturally. Lots of them. This is not new! Coronavirus isn’t new? Virus’s aren’t new The virus I refer to in this thread ? New " I think the point being made is crystal clear. Winston | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. Yes. Viruses occur naturally. Lots of them. This is not new! Coronavirus isn’t new? Virus’s aren’t new The virus I refer to in this thread ? New " Yes this is a new virus. But viruses in general are not new. There will be more viruses in the future. The phenomenon of viruses infecting humans is not new and will continue. | |||
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"Where it actually came from is pretty irrelevant because people will believe what ever suits their own agenda anyway. You could hand many of the contributors on this thread a sheet of white paper and they would proceed to tell you it’s not really white it’s blue. " ... and those who still thought it was white would be told that they are sheep and had been manipulated. | |||
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"Where it actually came from is pretty irrelevant because people will believe what ever suits their own agenda anyway. You could hand many of the contributors on this thread a sheet of white paper and they would proceed to tell you it’s not really white it’s blue. " White paper ? Careful | |||
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"Bats is stab in reverse. Now everyone is getting stabbed with vaccine injections. Coincidence? "It was bats. Bats out of hell. They ‘silenced’ Martin Lee Aday to hide the truth! | |||
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"I just read on t'internet that it was Adele wot started it. Just so she could get out of touring cos she's lazy. Fact. End of." | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? " , Finally someone with sense!  | |||
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"I believe it was combination poor hygiene and eating animals which shouldn't be eaten by that I mean non domesticated aninmals like bats or panelling." You fell for the spin story... Think about it, how many 100s of years has that market been there, selling what it does. AND only in 2019 did a virus jump over to humans lol. Its a convenient cover story. Notice how the main stream media no longer mentions this theory! If bats where the problem,there would be a ban on having them as pets/exporting etc. | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. I'm not sure you can trust them... they also said we "Won't get fooled again", "We're not gonna take it", and "I can see for miles" Cal" Oh come on, 'who' wouldn't trust a band who can come up with 'Boris the Spider' and 'A Quick One While He's Away'. Ah that's 'My Generation'! | |||
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"I believe it was combination poor hygiene and eating animals which shouldn't be eaten by that I mean non domesticated aninmals like bats or panelling. You fell for the spin story... Think about it, how many 100s of years has that market been there, selling what it does. AND only in 2019 did a virus jump over to humans lol. Its a convenient cover story. Notice how the main stream media no longer mentions this theory! If bats where the problem,there would be a ban on having them as pets/exporting etc. " What is your ‘theory’ ?? | |||
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"I believe it was combination poor hygiene and eating animals which shouldn't be eaten by that I mean non domesticated aninmals like bats or panelling. You fell for the spin story... Think about it, how many 100s of years has that market been there, selling what it does. AND only in 2019 did a virus jump over to humans lol. Its a convenient cover story. Notice how the main stream media no longer mentions this theory! If bats where the problem,there would be a ban on having them as pets/exporting etc. " There are 11 recorded cases of viruses jumping from animals to humans...it's called Zoonoses. The Spanish flu of 1918 was avian in origin. | |||
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. I'm not sure you can trust them... they also said we "Won't get fooled again", "We're not gonna take it", and "I can see for miles" Cal Oh come on, 'who' wouldn't trust a band who can come up with 'Boris the Spider' and 'A Quick One While He's Away'. Ah that's 'My Generation'! "Or perhaps they "can't explain"? So everyone "join together" and make a "teenage wasteland" | |||
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" It will all have come about because of some group of folks having a drinks party at work, as this appears to be the root of all evil according to everyone nowadays. On a more academic and reasoned approach though, it is highly likely to have come from a natural occurrence. It’s been happening ever since genetic material existed and will continue to happen as long as it does. Going back into history there has been many recorded incidents involving corona type viruses going back to the 1850s and records of pandemics going back a lot further. Increase population density, travel and mixing of groups in general is a perfect storm for these to happen more and more frequently. The upside is, a big reduction in population is needed to address global warming and many other problems of the modern world and so these natural phenomena have their place in the grand scale of things. Whenever a population of animals becomes too dense, disease develops, wipes out all but the best adapted to survive and the system is reset. In short, I think it’s just the natural way of things. | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem?" They are all too busy posting and shagging to work on eradicating the virus.  | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem? They are all too busy posting and shagging to work on eradicating the virus. "FaF?  
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"It was bats. Bats out of hell. They ‘silenced’ Martin Lee Aday to hide the truth!" Meatloaf just died from Covid. Coincidence? Actually, did you kill meatloaf?  | |||
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"Bats is stab in reverse. Now everyone is getting stabbed with vaccine injections. Coincidence?
Worst theory ever "Believe me, there's been worse theories. Most of them have been shared on here. | |||
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"Bats is stab in reverse. Now everyone is getting stabbed with vaccine injections. Coincidence?
Worst theory ever
Believe me, there's been worse theories. Most of them have been shared on here."Sadly I believe you ( no face palm emoji ) | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem?" Possibly distracted, much shagging going on then..? | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem? Possibly distracted, much shagging going on then..?" Too much.. Ffs | |||
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"Read the book ,,,,VAXXERS" Author? | |||
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"In short, I think it’s just the natural way of things. " It's just the mother of all coincidences there happened to be a lab down the road messing with natural viruses 
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"Read the book ,,,,VAXXERS Author?" Written by Sarah Gilbert & Catherine green two women who helped develop the Oxford Astra zeneca vaccine | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem? They are all too busy posting and shagging to work on eradicating the virus.
FaF?
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"Wuhan. They claim it was from Bats in a wet market. However, just a few hundred yards away is a laboratory that studies these types of virus, and Bats! Coincidence? The completely independent WHO have said it hasn't come from a lab in China. I'm not sure you can trust them... they also said we "Won't get fooled again", "We're not gonna take it", and "I can see for miles" Cal ----- But that second one is Twisted Sister " More fake news... this might wake you up https://youtu.be/ZqmC1T9rukk | |||
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"What I can't understand is, how, with all these experts in virology on here did it cause such a problem? They are all too busy posting and shagging to work on eradicating the virus.
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Woohoooo "Get your coat luv, you've pulled.
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. You and Cal should tag team. I'm still working on your TT name.
Way too sensible for these threads.
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"In short, I think it’s just the natural way of things. It's just the mother of all coincidences there happened to be a lab down the road messing with natural viruses
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"Watch the film ‘contagion’ on Netflix Came out in 2010/11 Our government could have learned how to tackle the virus "I mean, we could all have just gone to the Winchester to wait for it all to blow over, no?! | |||
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"Wuhan yes, bats not so sure, I'm sticking with the theory it leaked from a lab that study moon viruses, they want mine the moon for Helium 3 but need earth to build up herd immunity so it doesn't hinder the project. Microbes were found to grow better in space when found on MIA space station. Chinas Chang project has been working on the moon recently. The south poles are a good storage areas for bugs to hibernate. How would a "moon virus" be so similar to an earlier SARS virus and also the MERS virus (which doesn't occur in China) and is also very similar genetically to every other coronavirus we know about? Coronaviruses infect most mammals, we've known that for decades. Here we have a coronavirus that's very infectious and infects many mammals. We have a country (China) that's invading wild mammal habitats at an alarming rate, to build towns and cities, and we have a culture of eating wild animals that we'd think odd in the West. So far, so naturally occurring. You and Cal should tag team. I'm still working on your TT name.
Way too sensible for these threads.
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"I firmly believe some people somewhere know where it came from. Will us mere mortals ever be told the truth And if we were, would be believe it anyway ?" Why are you starting with the assumption that somebody "must" know? There is no reason for that to be the case. Also, if you aren't likely to believe it anyway then it doesn't matter. You will continue to believe what you want. The Chinese Government may know. They also may not. The WHO have the largest amount of gathered data and at least have some first hand data from visiting Wuhan, taking samples and face-to-face interviews including staff at the lab. Their conclusion is that it probably originated in animals and was unlikely to come from a lab leak. Anything other than that is based on progressively less verifiable information and more speculation. The WHO findings are therefore the most reliable until some verifiable new data is available. The WHO also has a SAGO group in place continuing to investigate the matter, so if anything changes we will eventually find out. What more do you want? | |||
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"We have to find out. We need to know if we are being lied to. We need to know who lied, how they propagated that lie and why. We are adults not children. We need to find out so we can stop it happening again" As an adult, you will know that there are not definitive answer to everything. Why are you assuming that there "must" be a lie about the virus' origins? There almost certainly was lies around the spread and severity as the Chinese authorities wanted to deal with it secretly. However, that does not mean that there are lies about the origins. There has been a WHO investigation and they have a group continuing to look for new information. Adults would accept the findings so far and wait patiently to see if there was more to come. Children would keep whining about something they are ignorant of and cannot influence. | |||
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"Yes we must find out so it never happens again. Not wanting to know is ignorance and people who don’t want to know must be lying " I would agree we need to know and currently we do know. If different evidence appears over time that knowledge will change. The problem is some people simply don't accept the knowledge as it doesn't fit with their narrative and will always think they are being lied to. I worry about how they function in day to day life with this personality trait. | |||
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"Yes we must find out so it never happens again. Not wanting to know is ignorance and people who don’t want to know must be lying " Who doesn't "want to know"? We know as much is possible to. You either accept that and wait for more if it comes or you don't because you choose not to "believe" what the better informed (WHO investigation) has concluded so far. | |||
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"Yes we must find out so it never happens again. Not wanting to know is ignorance and people who don’t want to know must be lying " I think there's a difference between not wanting to know and being so obsessed with trying to find out the minutia that a person ends up down the deepest of dark rabbit holes.. And not wanting to know is not a bad thing, getting on with the now etc change a much better way of directing ones energies.. There always has been throughout history 'stuff' that many of us will never fully know the truth, that's not to say it's right that we don't but just how it is.. Let's be honest even in what we call a modern representative democracy we the people are very limited in what we can influence apart from the not perfect but what we have ability to pick one side as opposed to the the others.. | |||
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