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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. " She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead." Exactly this but some will never understand or belive the science so will take stupid risks that can have deadly consequences as can be seen in this case. | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm" Abandoning public health measures in the face of a public health emergency to save the prime minister’s job is not exactly Covid ‘coming to an end’…  | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Abandoning public health measures in the face of a public health emergency to save the prime minister’s job is not exactly Covid ‘coming to an end’… "Are you suggesting the Prime Minister isn't following the science? | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm" Dont really think anyone will be disappointed if the pandemic is coming to an end to be honest, especially if it means a reduction in the deaths of loved ones, reductions in the strain on the nhs and a step towards life going back to normal. As for people being ab*sive to other people, I am sure the antivaxers will still continue to harass and intimidate people just push their ridiculous agendas regardless of this pandemic coming to an end  | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Abandoning public health measures in the face of a public health emergency to save the prime minister’s job is not exactly Covid ‘coming to an end’… "What emergency? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead." It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. "  | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. " 
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid. "You seem a bit mixed up about what her choice was. Sadly, she is survived by a husband and son. Both vaccinated. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " You mean the whole 9 deaths that have actually been attributed to vaccine, the same as you cabt claim people being hit by a bus died of covid you cant claim someone died because of the vaccine if hit by that same bus | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid. "Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous. I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons. But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever. | |||
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"Only a fool would suggest he is with today’s announcement." If he tightens the restrictions, he's following the science. If he relaxes the restrictions, he isn't following the science. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
You seem a bit mixed up about what her choice was.
Sadly, she is survived by a husband and son. Both vaccinated."Dude, I had covid while I have cancer. I'm absolutely fine aside from cancer. It affects everyone differently. Vaccinated people aren't: 1. Guaranteed not to get long term injury or die from vax (we already have those people in family, who suffered greatly from it). 2. Saving anyone from infection. They are just as likely to pass on the virus to everyone around them just like unvaccinated people can. (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext). 3. They aren't better than unvaccinated people. (You aren't saving anyone from anything but yourself. It's very selfish to get vaccinated and I congratulate you for doing so.) 4. Do still get covid and some get long term injuries or die with it. (Sad, but truth). Vaccinated people are: 1. Doing themselves a favour by getting it and nobody else. 2. Getting carried away with their "Hero" syndrome. How much of a nuisance does it have to be living life while caring about other peoples medical choices so much. Missus | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever."Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
You seem a bit mixed up about what her choice was.
Sadly, she is survived by a husband and son. Both vaccinated.
Dude, I had covid while I have cancer. I'm absolutely fine aside from cancer.
It affects everyone differently.
Vaccinated people aren't:
1. Guaranteed not to get long term injury or die from vax (we already have those people in family, who suffered greatly from it).
2. Saving anyone from infection. They are just as likely to pass on the virus to everyone around them just like unvaccinated people can.
(https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext).
3. They aren't better than unvaccinated people. (You aren't saving anyone from anything but yourself. It's very selfish to get vaccinated and I congratulate you for doing so.)
4. Do still get covid and some get long term injuries or die with it. (Sad, but truth).
Vaccinated people are:
1. Doing themselves a favour by getting it and nobody else.
2. Getting carried away with their "Hero" syndrome.
How much of a nuisance does it have to be living life while caring about other peoples medical choices so much.
Missus "
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do? "I've done so since May 2020 for people like you. Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own. So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do? "One thing I can also say is people who have been working from home or isolating last 2 years and haven't been around general public on daily basis just happen to have a completely different perspective as all they know and see is what TV and Internet tells them and we all know both are full of hot steamy poo. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
You seem a bit mixed up about what her choice was.
Sadly, she is survived by a husband and son. Both vaccinated.
Dude, I had covid while I have cancer. I'm absolutely fine aside from cancer.
It affects everyone differently.
Vaccinated people aren't:
1. Guaranteed not to get long term injury or die from vax (we already have those people in family, who suffered greatly from it).
2. Saving anyone from infection. They are just as likely to pass on the virus to everyone around them just like unvaccinated people can.
(https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext).
3. They aren't better than unvaccinated people. (You aren't saving anyone from anything but yourself. It's very selfish to get vaccinated and I congratulate you for doing so.)
4. Do still get covid and some get long term injuries or die with it. (Sad, but truth).
Vaccinated people are:
1. Doing themselves a favour by getting it and nobody else.
2. Getting carried away with their "Hero" syndrome.
How much of a nuisance does it have to be living life while caring about other peoples medical choices so much.
Missus "This is a narrative that is pushed among anti vaxxers. I've yet to see anyone who is vaccinated (Over 70% of the UK population btw) claim they are superior or they're heroes. Seems more like anti vaxxers are projecting their insecurities. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
One thing I can also say is people who have been working from home or isolating last 2 years and haven't been around general public on daily basis just happen to have a completely different perspective as all they know and see is what TV and Internet tells them and we all know both are full of hot steamy poo. "I've done my own research and I'm happy with my conclusions, thanks. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily."For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
You seem a bit mixed up about what her choice was.
Sadly, she is survived by a husband and son. Both vaccinated.
Dude, I had covid while I have cancer. I'm absolutely fine aside from cancer.
It affects everyone differently.
Vaccinated people aren't:
1. Guaranteed not to get long term injury or die from vax (we already have those people in family, who suffered greatly from it).
2. Saving anyone from infection. They are just as likely to pass on the virus to everyone around them just like unvaccinated people can.
(https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext).
3. They aren't better than unvaccinated people. (You aren't saving anyone from anything but yourself. It's very selfish to get vaccinated and I congratulate you for doing so.)
4. Do still get covid and some get long term injuries or die with it. (Sad, but truth).
Vaccinated people are:
1. Doing themselves a favour by getting it and nobody else.
2. Getting carried away with their "Hero" syndrome.
How much of a nuisance does it have to be living life while caring about other peoples medical choices so much.
Missus
This is a narrative that is pushed among anti vaxxers. I've yet to see anyone who is vaccinated (Over 70% of the UK population btw) claim they are superior or they're heroes.
Seems more like anti vaxxers are projecting their insecurities."If you want to see the truth just create a forum thread and ask why people got their vaccines... easy to check | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh "I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission. My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?"You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7. You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have. When we had covid - we infected zero people. It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected. Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever. Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee... If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid. "So if there was no covid passport in place she would have just completely avoided ever getting covid? That's quite the leap in logic. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
One thing I can also say is people who have been working from home or isolating last 2 years and haven't been around general public on daily basis just happen to have a completely different perspective as all they know and see is what TV and Internet tells them and we all know both are full of hot steamy poo. " | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " I have no real position on this as it’s someone s personal preference but assuming the worlds population is. 8 billion - saying its not lethal to 1% is still saying 80 million will die as its 1% - scale that up for the percentage needing inpatient hospital treatments that survive… and the damage to infrastructure from all the lost time at work - the cost of treatments and the cost to business of lost productivity - the grief of all those families who have to cope with the loss of a loved one - its quite a difficult thing to comprehend but saying that only 1% will die i think Masks what that actually means in real terms. Just thinking out loud. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
So if there was no covid passport in place she would have just completely avoided ever getting covid? That's quite the leap in logic. "She would be able to live her life her way and take precautions that were reasonable to her. We have it good here, other countrie's discrimination passport policies are brutally strict and in many of them you can't as much as board a bus without one. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from? "If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do. I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else. But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid. "This is the biggest stretch I've ever seen LOL. She is responsible for her own death. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. " Ah well never mind eh! As long as she has her choice not to take the vaccine | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead." | |||
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" It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " Except, of course, they haven't | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some."So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports? Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too. It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's. People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences" | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences" "I mentioned medical exemption above. But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it. That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences" "Well said. I may be wrong but some people seem to rejoice at the death of people they disagree with. This coronavirus has revealed a serious unsavoury side to some people | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution. "Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution.
Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really? "You said that consequences need to end. Criminal prosecution is a consequence. I've seen the light. We should end the tyranny of the prison industrial complex and just let people be. Don't want to catch COVID/lose your stuff/die? Don't go out/don't have stuff/don't go out. Personal responsibility  | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution.
Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really?
You said that consequences need to end. Criminal prosecution is a consequence.
I've seen the light. We should end the tyranny of the prison industrial complex and just let people be. Don't want to catch COVID/lose your stuff/die? Don't go out/don't have stuff/don't go out. Personal responsibility "I'll come back in an hour. Rolled my eyes so hard - one of them popped out of the socket | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution.
Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really?
You said that consequences need to end. Criminal prosecution is a consequence.
I've seen the light. We should end the tyranny of the prison industrial complex and just let people be. Don't want to catch COVID/lose your stuff/die? Don't go out/don't have stuff/don't go out. Personal responsibility
I'll come back in an hour. Rolled my eyes so hard - one of them popped out of the socket "Goodness, you've convinced me of the error of my ways. I'm so grateful  | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution.
Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really?
You said that consequences need to end. Criminal prosecution is a consequence.
I've seen the light. We should end the tyranny of the prison industrial complex and just let people be. Don't want to catch COVID/lose your stuff/die? Don't go out/don't have stuff/don't go out. Personal responsibility
I'll come back in an hour. Rolled my eyes so hard - one of them popped out of the socket
Goodness, you've convinced me of the error of my ways. I'm so grateful "Unlike you I'm not sitting in virus section day in day out telling everyone how stupid they are for not making same choices as myself.  (see what you've done, now I have to wear sunglasses  )
On a serious note, good job for staying at home. It really helps everyone | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some.
So are you saying every single human being should get vaccinated no matter what and only be able to navigate public world strictly with discrimination passports?
Vaccine is a deadly choice for some too.
It is unfortunate that this young life was lost, but it was her choice and nobody else's.
People should respect the right of choice and make their own desicions without threatening others with "consequences"
I mentioned medical exemption above.
But I suppose you're right. Everyone should do as they please. Your stuff is mine now. I'm taking it.
That's a crime? Oh honey no. That's consequences. That's not allowed. We've abolished the courts and closed prisons. Serial killers and people smugglers can finally get on with their lives free of government persecution.
Are you comparing giving personal medical choices that mostly affect only you individually solely to you is the same as letting out people smugglers and serial killers out of jails? Really?
You said that consequences need to end. Criminal prosecution is a consequence.
I've seen the light. We should end the tyranny of the prison industrial complex and just let people be. Don't want to catch COVID/lose your stuff/die? Don't go out/don't have stuff/don't go out. Personal responsibility
I'll come back in an hour. Rolled my eyes so hard - one of them popped out of the socket
Goodness, you've convinced me of the error of my ways. I'm so grateful
Unlike you I'm not sitting in virus section day in day out telling everyone how stupid they are for not making same choices as myself.
(see what you've done, now I have to wear sunglasses )
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"That's sad to read. People who spread misinformation should have consequences for causing these deaths. " why? Its adults who are listening to these people,they make there own decisions yea its sad that this woman died but was her choice to catch covid no one forced her to,if people want to listen to loons on youtube and faceache thats there right to do so | |||
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"That's sad to read. People who spread misinformation should have consequences for causing these deaths. why? Its adults who are listening to these people,they make there own decisions yea its sad that this woman died but was her choice to catch covid no one forced her to,if people want to listen to loons on youtube and faceache thats there right to do so" Not really. Those who are spreading fake news around should be held accountable for their actions. This isn't a matter of difference in opinion or freedom of speech when you are causing deaths like this. | |||
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"That's sad to read. People who spread misinformation should have consequences for causing these deaths. why? Its adults who are listening to these people,they make there own decisions yea its sad that this woman died but was her choice to catch covid no one forced her to,if people want to listen to loons on youtube and faceache thats there right to do so Not really. Those who are spreading fake news around should be held accountable for their actions. This isn't a matter of difference in opinion or freedom of speech when you are causing deaths like this." the woman was an adult wether you like it or not you are allowed to listen to who you like and iif you wana follow there advice thats an adults right to aswell,personally if i wanted medical information id ask my doctor,not someone on youtube. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from?
If you feel that's patronising, I apologise. You asked if I thought it was fair. I do.
I am making my own decisions and risk assessment. I am entitled to do so. I am entitled to my own reasoning. You may think what you like about that, that is your choice, as I may think whatever I like about anyone else.
But clearly this OP shows that vaccine passports should exclude infection - it's clearly a deadly choice for some."What's the number of deaths that are acceptable to you? The vaccine has deadly consequences for some too. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives." Good riddance to bad rubbish! | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives. Good riddance to bad rubbish! " Nice, nowt like gloating over someone's death
The rabid provax vitriol spewers on this forum continue to surprise me with how awful some of them seem to be as humans.
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " Get your facts right.. provide evidence for 'thousands' before talking!!! | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. " It is sad that she believed what she had read on the internet, telling her that the virus is "just the flu" and that it is not serious. Or that people don't "die of covid" they only "die WITH covid". Cal | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " Thousands have indeed died after the jab but very very few because of it. If it is not a deadly virus for 99% of people the vaccines are not a deadly jab for 99.999% Would you attend a football stadium or Gig in the knowledge 1% ie 50 of those attending would be randomly executed? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives." A prime case of natural selection. No sympathy required. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " Have you tried talking the Czech Folk singer that the virus isn't deadly? Oh, you can't as the undeadly virus killed her. Hmm. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. Winston | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. For context, that's 13% of the population of England. Winston " | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm" To be fair the partisan nature of the world these days means it just moves onto the next thing. We will go back to arguing over Brexit, the political parties, climate change, flat vs round earth etc. This was just a nice 2 year distraction! | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. Winston" 7,800,000,000 x 1% = 78,000,000 | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. For context, that's 13% of the population of England. Winston " For context, these figures would make Diane Abbott and Prof. Neil Ferguson proud! | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do? "If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible. If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison."Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid? | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. Winston 7,800,000,000 x 1% = 78,000,000" Good point, no pun intended. Decimal point in the wrong place. Thanks for the correction, which attempts to make the 1% seem trivial, to be even worse. Appreciated.
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. Winston 7,800,000,000 x 1% = 78,000,000 Good point, no pun intended. Decimal point in the wrong place. Thanks for the correction, which attempts to make the 1% seem trivial, to be even worse. Appreciated.
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison.
Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid?"Yes. Are you saying every other person wasn’t? If so, please explain which people were immune from any risk of death. | |||
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"Wait, let me check I have this right... Fully grown adult who refused to take a vaccine to help lessen symptoms and deadliness of a virus running rampant round the world, CHOSE to actively try and contract the potentially lethal virus? She subsequently died through her own actions. Let’s be honest, unless she had health issues preventing her safely taking the vaccine this is quite literally her own fault. It’s very sad the young lady passed away, but this is a direct result of her own actions. I’m all for vaccine passports. You have the choice to not take a vaccine just as I have the right, not to sit in a venue with wilfully ignorant people. I took the vaccines for my own protection as much as anything else. My research was based on health and medical journals and two friends who are virologists, immunologists and were both involved in the creation of the oxford vaccine. My own research and advice from a couple of doctor pals. Not some Tracey off Facebook selling essential oils that cure cancer! I can’t wait for this pish to come to an end cos hopefully it’ll stop the nonsense infighting we are seeing. It’s so bloody infuriating now. That said, this forum has been brilliant for my block list " Can you please show your journals to my stepmother (only mother I have) who already had covid and was fine, but took vax to come see me after I was diagnosed with cancer is now legally disabled at 50 years of age after second shot so she feels a little better? Infuriating indeed | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history." Okay then!  | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison.
Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid?
Yes. Are you saying every other person wasn’t? If so, please explain which people were immune from any risk of death."Yes. In fact I would say it is more than 50%. Whilst everyone is at risk of death, there is a very low risk of death from Covid for the significant majority of the population. The statistics confirm this. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison.
Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid?
Yes. Are you saying every other person wasn’t? If so, please explain which people were immune from any risk of death.
Yes. In fact I would say it is more than 50%.
Whilst everyone is at risk of death, there is a very low risk of death from Covid for the significant majority of the population.
The statistics confirm this."So, as you confirm, everyone was at risk of death. Well done! Everything else you wrote was irrelevant to the point. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. " This is what’s known as the ostrich school of deduction. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. You mean the whole 9 deaths that have actually been attributed to vaccine, the same as you cabt claim people being hit by a bus died of covid you cant claim someone died because of the vaccine if hit by that same bus
"9" deaths...you're a clown.
Because you have a better understanding of the statistics than the Head of Mortality Analysis at the ONS, presumably?
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. " Presumably by corrupt you mean the current Government. Let's take that as accepted. What about the other 164 Governments throughout the world who all say the same thing? To disbelieve a Government you feel is corrupt is understandable. When every other government throughout the world say the same thing it's illogical. Winston | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison.
Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid?
Yes. Are you saying every other person wasn’t? If so, please explain which people were immune from any risk of death.
Yes. In fact I would say it is more than 50%.
Whilst everyone is at risk of death, there is a very low risk of death from Covid for the significant majority of the population.
The statistics confirm this.
So, as you confirm, everyone was at risk of death. Well done! Everything else you wrote was irrelevant to the point."Taking that point in isolation proves your ignorance. Reading it as a whole is critical to the point. But you don't want to do that because it shows your argument is flawed. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. Thousands have indeed died after the jab but very very few because of it. If it is not a deadly virus for 99% of people the vaccines are not a deadly jab for 99.999% Would you attend a football stadium or Gig in the knowledge 1% ie 50 of those attending would be randomly executed? " How do you know it wasn't because of it? You could apply the same argument to dying from/with COVID. I was probably understating when I said 99%. Scientists don't know the exact survival rate because of the number of 'asymptomatic' cases, and clearly an 80-year-old with diabetes has a much lower chance of survival than a healthy 30-year-old. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. Presumably by corrupt you mean the current Government. Let's take that as accepted. What about the other 164 Governments throughout the world who all say the same thing? To disbelieve a Government you feel is corrupt is understandable. When every other government throughout the world say the same thing it's illogical. Winston " The global financial elite run this planet NOT sock puppet Governments through the facade of "democracy". A pyramid structure of control see that all WEF controlled entities sing from the same sheet. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. Presumably by corrupt you mean the current Government. Let's take that as accepted. What about the other 164 Governments throughout the world who all say the same thing? To disbelieve a Government you feel is corrupt is understandable. When every other government throughout the world say the same thing it's illogical. Winston The global financial elite run this planet NOT sock puppet Governments through the facade of "democracy". A pyramid structure of control see that all WEF controlled entities sing from the same sheet." First page on the sheet.. "Build Back Better" | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
If every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death from infection, then yes, that would be sensible.
If you want to make a comparison with Covid, that’s the comparison.
Are you saying every other person in the country was facing a potential risk of death due to Covid?
Yes. Are you saying every other person wasn’t? If so, please explain which people were immune from any risk of death.
Yes. In fact I would say it is more than 50%.
Whilst everyone is at risk of death, there is a very low risk of death from Covid for the significant majority of the population.
The statistics confirm this.
So, as you confirm, everyone was at risk of death. Well done! Everything else you wrote was irrelevant to the point.
Taking that point in isolation proves your ignorance.
Reading it as a whole is critical to the point.
But you don't want to do that because it shows your argument is flawed."No, it shows you haven’t understood why the analogy was made. | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Dont really think anyone will be disappointed if the pandemic is coming to an end to be honest, especially if it means a reduction in the deaths of loved ones, reductions in the strain on the nhs and a step towards life going back to normal. As for people being ab*sive to other people, I am sure the antivaxers will still continue to harass and intimidate people just push their ridiculous agendas regardless of this pandemic coming to an end "I'm vaccinated and I have to disagree. Reading these threads its the vaccinated that are the abusive ones. It seems the unvaccinated just want to have a choice | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Abandoning public health measures in the face of a public health emergency to save the prime minister’s job is not exactly Covid ‘coming to an end’… ". Is it actually the case that a lot of people on this site don’t want this all to end, or are they really that terrified ? Strange because everyone i know all want to get back to full normal life asap. | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Abandoning public health measures in the face of a public health emergency to save the prime minister’s job is not exactly Covid ‘coming to an end’… . Is it actually the case that a lot of people on this site don’t want this all to end, or are they really that terrified ? Strange because everyone i know all want to get back to full normal life asap. "Some people are terrified... of COVID and getting back to normal. | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history." Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore " speaking about 5g did anyone hear of the stand off in the usa, the American aviation authority ask 5g signal providers to delay the 5g roll out, they refused so the authority threatened to ground all planes. 5g backed doen at the eleventh hour | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Dont really think anyone will be disappointed if the pandemic is coming to an end to be honest, especially if it means a reduction in the deaths of loved ones, reductions in the strain on the nhs and a step towards life going back to normal. As for people being ab*sive to other people, I am sure the antivaxers will still continue to harass and intimidate people just push their ridiculous agendas regardless of this pandemic coming to an end
I'm vaccinated and I have to disagree. Reading these threads its the vaccinated that are the abusive ones. It seems the unvaccinated just want to have a choice "Correct, they're having great difficulty admitting to themselves that they've been sold a falsehood. | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore " Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular. | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm Dont really think anyone will be disappointed if the pandemic is coming to an end to be honest, especially if it means a reduction in the deaths of loved ones, reductions in the strain on the nhs and a step towards life going back to normal. As for people being ab*sive to other people, I am sure the antivaxers will still continue to harass and intimidate people just push their ridiculous agendas regardless of this pandemic coming to an end
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport.
If there were no discrimination passports in place - people like her wouldn't feel forced to choose between potential injury or death from vax or potential injury or death from covid.
Nah. Remove the infection exemption, it's clearly dangerous.
I support there being public places that are safer for the clinically vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons.
But I suppose those who've been essentially told, stay at home or risk death (because there's nothing we can do), cannot possibly understand the depths of suffering of those who choose not to take a vaccination. They can just wish their medical issues away. Not getting a free vaccination is clearly unchangeable forever.
Next month I'll be on chemo. I'll have to stay at home or risk death from any infection. Should I as well as other people who are receiving chemotherapy tell everyone to put on two masks and stay at home so we can go out? Is that a fair thing to do?
I've done so since May 2020 for people like you.
Wearing a well fitting high grade mask, and exercising caution in my activity, is more than fair to reduce the risk to those who are vulnerable through no fault of their own.
So yes, of course it's fair. Your vulnerability can't be helped, and I can mitigate my risk to you fairly easily.
For "people like me"? You mean people who have faced general public from march 2020. Who wore a mask 14+ hours a day? Who went in and out of 300+ homes every single day but wasn't allowed to meet one friend for a coffee? People like me huh
I'm sorry you don't like my reasons, but I consider it reasonable to try to reduce the spread, for those who may not be able to fight the disease on my own. If you don't want to accept that, fine. I don't need your permission.
My body, my life, my choice. And if you ask if I think it's fair: I'd rather "suffer" wearing a mask and avoiding people, than a person suffering a preventable and by all accounts horrific death. More than fair, hey?
You're acting as if you are carrying the virus 24/7.
You can't reduce the spread of a disease that you don't have.
When we had covid - we infected zero people.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not - to reduce the spread you should stay at home if infected.
Tricky thing to do, I know, especially knowing that a lot of vaccinated people even last spring were unknowingly happily spreading it thinking it was a hay-fever.
Being patronising to people who have no choice but be out there and feel that it is extremely hypocritical. Especially when the "rules" were okay with for someone to work around 100 people and suddenly you're a highly infectious danger to society if you meet someone for a coffee...
If you know yourself you arent sick in any way - what are you protecting "people like me" from? "You miss the one crucial point is that many people are asymptomatic and can spread the virus to those who are vulnerable unknowingly - this is why Covid has been so dangerous. This lady is right in everything she has said and has done so in a respectful and meaningful way. Regrettably, for you and others this is more about ideology than practical science - you're happy enough to have chemotherapy which is designed to kill human cells - good and bad - but not to take a vaccine or wear a mask. Simply because you don't like being told what to do! | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular." I have, thanks . I do like a good conspiracy theory, there are plenty of COVID ones to choose from , which one do you suggest I follow ? | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular. I have, thanks . I do like a good conspiracy theory, there are plenty of COVID ones to choose from , which one do you suggest I follow ? " So you'll know what entity coined that phrase what it's purpose was then ? | |||
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"Another one that doesn’t quite get it, but has read half a sentence. Viral particles themselves are so small, ffp3 would have a hard time stopping them to a decent %. However, you all forget the rest of the information. Viral particles cannot travel themselves, they need a medium. A droplet, without which they denature (die) very quick. And that’s why everyone clinging to that fact is advertising they just don’t understand anything. 5g was a one off, non repeatable experiment where a scientist theorised the frequency of the 5g was similar to that of some bacteria emitted. " Provide empirical peer reviewed evidence please. | |||
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"Another one that doesn’t quite get it, but has read half a sentence. Viral particles themselves are so small, ffp3 would have a hard time stopping them to a decent %. However, you all forget the rest of the information. Viral particles cannot travel themselves, they need a medium. A droplet, without which they denature (die) very quick. And that’s why everyone clinging to that fact is advertising they just don’t understand anything. 5g was a one off, non repeatable experiment where a scientist theorised the frequency of the 5g was similar to that of some bacteria emitted. " what stood out for me ref 5g is the reason the flight authority wanted it delayed was due to the radiation given off by the masts, interfering with navigation landing systems on board aircraft. it stood out to me as I first head this radiation concern from conspiracy theorist. back to the subject sorry. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I agree 100% pal, but others choose to listen and watch the news. Emergency?? I've not had a day off work from the start, never worn a mask and the only people I know who have been ill are vaxed. I'm going off my first hand life experience not what the corrupt tell me. Presumably by corrupt you mean the current Government. Let's take that as accepted. What about the other 164 Governments throughout the world who all say the same thing? To disbelieve a Government you feel is corrupt is understandable. When every other government throughout the world say the same thing it's illogical. Winston The global financial elite run this planet NOT sock puppet Governments through the facade of "democracy". A pyramid structure of control see that all WEF controlled entities sing from the same sheet." Fair enough. Winston | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives." . I'm a sound engineer who has worked many times in the Czech Rep and have quite a few friends/colleagues over there. One of them who has worked extensively with this artist's band Asonance recently explained to me that, yes, Hana and her family did all contract yet recovered from Covid but all suffered only very mild symptoms and had all done the required isolation etc... etc... Later this lady decided to go for a walk but was taken ill suddenly and sadly passed away shortly after. My friend was told it was due to a sudden heart attack. Of course they were all deeply saddened and shocked. However, Covid was never mentioned or blamed at the time. Yet some time after this story has run on the BBC and other news outlets seemingly blaming her death on Covid and that it was 'intense' and she died of it. Her son's (alleged) comments my friend says has left them scratching their heads as to why its been reported this way. And they question that did he even say it? But as he says the son is grieving for his mother so we have of course to be respectful. So I leave people to make their own minds up. Of course I personally will take a friend of several decades' (who has NO reason to lie to me) side as more accurate than the media who far too often "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". But as say I can only report as my friend has told me so I leave you to make your mind up. | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular. I have, thanks . I do like a good conspiracy theory, there are plenty of COVID ones to choose from , which one do you suggest I follow ? So you'll know what entity coined that phrase what it's purpose was then ?" Ok, I can see your confused, what ‘theory’ should I now follow? | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular. I have, thanks . I do like a good conspiracy theory, there are plenty of COVID ones to choose from , which one do you suggest I follow ? So you'll know what entity coined that phrase what it's purpose was then ? Ok, I can see your confused, what ‘theory’ should I now follow? " You clearly can't lie can you.... | |||
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"Covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu, this is established medical fact. The average age of death from "Covid-19" above the average age of death and with 2 or more combining factors. What's being attempted here is a deliberate collapse of the financial system in order for digital currency and ID to be ushered in. The tinfoil hat brigade who actually believe that their lives are in peril, wear a outside (masks DO NOT STOP VIRAL PARTICLES) and line up to be jabbed repeatedly with experimental mRNA concoctions are on the wrong side of history manipulated by the biggest psy-op in history. Hold on, I thought it was about 5g? I just can’t keep up with these conspiracy theories anymore Look up the term conspiracy theory, understand just where and how that term was brought into modern vehicular. I have, thanks . I do like a good conspiracy theory, there are plenty of COVID ones to choose from , which one do you suggest I follow ? So you'll know what entity coined that phrase what it's purpose was then ? Ok, I can see your confused, what ‘theory’ should I now follow? You clearly can't lie can you...." Eh? I just want the latest and/or most trustworthy covid theory, one with ‘empirical evidence’ I am open minded | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives. . I'm a sound engineer who has worked many times in the Czech Rep and have quite a few friends/colleagues over there. One of them who has worked extensively with this artist's band Asonance recently explained to me that, yes, Hana and her family did all contract yet recovered from Covid but all suffered only very mild symptoms and had all done the required isolation etc... etc... Later this lady decided to go for a walk but was taken ill suddenly and sadly passed away shortly after. My friend was told it was due to a sudden heart attack. Of course they were all deeply saddened and shocked. However, Covid was never mentioned or blamed at the time. Yet some time after this story has run on the BBC and other news outlets seemingly blaming her death on Covid and that it was 'intense' and she died of it. Her son's (alleged) comments my friend says has left them scratching their heads as to why its been reported this way. And they question that did he even say it? But as he says the son is grieving for his mother so we have of course to be respectful. So I leave people to make their own minds up. Of course I personally will take a friend of several decades' (who has NO reason to lie to me) side as more accurate than the media who far too often "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". But as say I can only report as my friend has told me so I leave you to make your mind up. " It's absolutely incredible the amount of close personal contacts you've had with people who've had incredibly adverse vaccine experiences and now this? Wow. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives. . I'm a sound engineer who has worked many times in the Czech Rep and have quite a few friends/colleagues over there. One of them who has worked extensively with this artist's band Asonance recently explained to me that, yes, Hana and her family did all contract yet recovered from Covid but all suffered only very mild symptoms and had all done the required isolation etc... etc... Later this lady decided to go for a walk but was taken ill suddenly and sadly passed away shortly after. My friend was told it was due to a sudden heart attack. Of course they were all deeply saddened and shocked. However, Covid was never mentioned or blamed at the time. Yet some time after this story has run on the BBC and other news outlets seemingly blaming her death on Covid and that it was 'intense' and she died of it. Her son's (alleged) comments my friend says has left them scratching their heads as to why its been reported this way. And they question that did he even say it? But as he says the son is grieving for his mother so we have of course to be respectful. So I leave people to make their own minds up. Of course I personally will take a friend of several decades' (who has NO reason to lie to me) side as more accurate than the media who far too often "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". But as say I can only report as my friend has told me so I leave you to make your mind up. " If you believe that, you will believe anything. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. Winston" Times that by 10... Gotta remember how to move those decimal points, that's pre secondary school maths 
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. 1% of the world's population, small number. Number of people represented by that 1%, 7.8 million. Spouting the 1% and having zero grasp of its impact, pre GCSE maths. WinstonTimes that by 10... Gotta remember how to move those decimal points, that's pre secondary school maths
Even though factoring in the asymptomatic probably drops it below 1%, it's still too many deaths in my eyes. A lot of which were preventable in the beginning with the failures to protect the most vulnerable in care homes etc."I already addressed the %, read up.
1 is too many.
Too many were avoidable.
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. " I bet the poor woman in the first post didn't think she was a 1 percenter, that's the problem, too many don't and it's too late when you find out. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996 A Czech folk singer who was ‘vaccine hesitant’ decided to deliberately expose herself to the virus to benefit from reduced restrictions for people who had recovered from Covd, with fatal consequences. Another stark example of why acquiring ‘natural immunity’ is a huge gamble compared with the much safer vaccine alternatives. . I'm a sound engineer who has worked many times in the Czech Rep and have quite a few friends/colleagues over there. One of them who has worked extensively with this artist's band Asonance recently explained to me that, yes, Hana and her family did all contract yet recovered from Covid but all suffered only very mild symptoms and had all done the required isolation etc... etc... Later this lady decided to go for a walk but was taken ill suddenly and sadly passed away shortly after. My friend was told it was due to a sudden heart attack. Of course they were all deeply saddened and shocked. However, Covid was never mentioned or blamed at the time. Yet some time after this story has run on the BBC and other news outlets seemingly blaming her death on Covid and that it was 'intense' and she died of it. Her son's (alleged) comments my friend says has left them scratching their heads as to why its been reported this way. And they question that did he even say it? But as he says the son is grieving for his mother so we have of course to be respectful. So I leave people to make their own minds up. Of course I personally will take a friend of several decades' (who has NO reason to lie to me) side as more accurate than the media who far too often "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". But as say I can only report as my friend has told me so I leave you to make your mind up. " COVID infection, however mild, is now well known to be associated with cardiovascular damage, endothelial damage, and other internal damage. It is perfectly possible for someone to have relatively mild COVID infection and then appear to recover but then suffer a fatal cardiovascular event. Despite appearances of recovery, it would be obvious at postmortem if there was evidence of typical COVID cardiovascular injury, which may have lead to the fatal event. I would suggest her son, with whom she was living/staying knows far more about his mother than a friend of a friend, however friendly the friend is or was. My Grandad looked like he might pull through COVID at one point. Until he didn't. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. Exactly this but some will never understand or belive the science so will take stupid risks that can have deadly consequences as can be seen in this case." I have to disagree, so called scientist have argued consistently over how things shoukd have been done sone say jabs safe others unsafe. Latest view us people who have had don't need jab. The wife and I were very ill. Last Feb, with medical assistance called out twice. My age group were not called forward for the first jab till May, I've since had all 3 jabs but still wonder which science will be proved right. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. Exactly this but some will never understand or belive the science so will take stupid risks that can have deadly consequences as can be seen in this case. I have to disagree, so called scientist have argued consistently over how things shoukd have been done sone say jabs safe others unsafe. Latest view us people who have had don't need jab. The wife and I were very ill. Last Feb, with medical assistance called out twice. My age group were not called forward for the first jab till May, I've since had all 3 jabs but still wonder which science will be proved right. " The science in this case is very clear, that vaccines reduce the likelihood severity of covid and reduce mortality rates. Sorry to hear that you were so unwell. | |||
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"It's sad that she felt forced to deliberately catch COVID because of the vaccine passport. She wasn’t forced - there was a safe vaccine available to her to protect her from a deadly virus. She chose to gamble with the deadly virus instead. It's not a deadly virus for 99% of people. Thousands of people have also died after having the jab. I bet the poor woman in the first post didn't think she was a 1 percenter, that's the problem, too many don't and it's too late when you find out." It’s a bit like smoking. Every smoker seems to know a 90 year old that has smoked since they were 12, and are then astonished when they themselves suffer health problems from smoking. There are no guarantees when it comes to health, we might all be 1 per centers in one way or another , and we have choices that can improve our chances in some of these cases. Eg there are things I can do to reduce the likelihood of suffering heart disease, but that does not eliminate the possibility, just improves my chances. But ignoring a known risk, with a very simple solution. and hoping for the best ... | |||
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"Some people must y terribly disappointed that the whole thing seems to be coming to an end. No more opportunities to be abusive towards other people. Hmm" Oh don't worry, in these days of Soshal Meedja, there will always be something for people to be abusive about. I doubt if the woman in question is the first or last to die by making a bad choice. | |||
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